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    Rams’ Foles ranked 24th among QBs

    Nate Latsch

    http://www.scout.com/nfl/rams/story/1561255-rams-foles-ranked-24th-among-qbs

    Andy Benoit at The MMQB published his rankings of the NFL’s 32 projected starting quarterbacks last week and he has one current and one former Rams quarterback among the bottom third on his list.
    Benoit’s list includes Nick Foles at No. 24 and former Rams quarterback Sam Bradford at No. 22.

    It’s certainly not to be taken as the definitive ranking of the league’s quarterbacks, but it is an interesting take from one of the top football analysts in sports media.

    Of Foles, Benoit wrote, “Has no special traits and can be too methodical at times. But that doesn’t mean he can’t oversee a ball control offense like St. Louis.”

    So there’s that — a glimmer of hope among the doom and gloom — when Rams fans read that their new QB isn’t very good. And he’s worse than their old QB, who also isn’t very good.

    On Bradford, Benoit wrote, “He’s almost impossible to critique given his injury woes. But if healthy (huge if) he’s a snappy, accurate passer fit for a spread scheme.”

    If it makes Rams fans feel any better, Benoit does have Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson ranked 12th — behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and ahead of Matthew Stafford of the Detroit Lions.

    It’s difficult to know what kind of player Foles will be for the Rams.

    He proved he could be a winning quarterback with the Philadelphia Eagles, where he had a record of 14-4 the past two seasons. He was a Pro Bowler when he put up a ridiculous stat line in 2013. Then he was a guy who had 13 touchdown passes against 10 interceptions in eight games in 2014.

    The answer likely lies somewhere in between the stats of those two seasons, but that may be good enough to make the difference in another losing season for the St. Louis Rams or their first winning campaign in more than a decade.

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    Wilson ranked 12th? Wilson is easily top 5.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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    Wilson ranked 12th? Wilson is easily top 5.

    We disagree on that. I think Wilson is in exactly the right circumstances for him, but, that he’s just not a top 5 qb. Around 10th-12th sounds right to me.

    #27027
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    Wilson ranked 12th? Wilson is easily top 5.

    We disagree on that. I think Wilson is in exactly the right circumstances for him, but, that he’s just not a top 5 qb. Around 10th-12th sounds right to me.

    Of course he is in exactly the right circumstances but you mistake that as a plus for him. I don’t. He succeeds in spite of it which very few QBs can. Wilson’s O line is crap. He’s forced to scramble 900 yards a season and extends drives on his own initiative better than anyone, possibly ever. He has the arm strength. He has the accuracy. He has the mobility. He has the brains. Easily a top 5 QB and soon he will be paid as the top QB.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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    Wilson ranked 12th? Wilson is easily top 5.

    We disagree on that. I think Wilson is in exactly the right circumstances for him, but, that he’s just not a top 5 qb. Around 10th-12th sounds right to me.

    Of course he is in exactly the right circumstances but you mistake that as a plus for him. I don’t. He succeeds in spite of it which very few QBs can. Wilson’s O line is crap. He’s forced to scramble 900 yards a season and extends drives on his own initiative better than anyone, possibly ever. He has the arm strength. He has the accuracy. He has the mobility. He has the brains. Easily a top 5 QB and soon he will be paid as the top QB.

    My opinion on this really does differ from your opinion on this. What I meant was he is in exactly the right circumstances for him. They have a strong running game with a tough RB, so that when HE runs it’s part of a tandem which divides defensive attention. The fact that they have such a strong running game means that he is routinely 31st or 32nd in the league in passing attempts. Plus playing on the same team with the 1st ranked defense means he is hardly ever under pressure to win by passing late.

    Yes he can run out of trouble but then they have the luxury to do it that way because of the defense. And I have seen good qbs over the years who did that at the same level or better (Staubach, Montana, Young, Elway, etc.). So I to me he’s just not the best ever at it. Plus once Young and Elway got up to speed passing, they could also throw effectively at a level Wilson has not reached yet and IMO probably never will. BTW, then as now, qbs who scramble get sacked more, not less.

    Top 5? I don’t see it. I see Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Luck in the top 5. He’s on a lower tier than that, IMO.

    To me, if you put Luck on the Seahawks, they would become an instant dynasty. Put Wilson on the Colts and he would be under more pressure to move the offense by passing, and the result would be they would struggle.

    His OL is not crap. That’s myth. It’s decent. Or it was when they had both Okung and Unger.

    To me he is in exactly the right circumstances to maximize his strength and minimize his weaknesses.

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    Except he doesn’t run as part of a tandem. His having to scramble is because he doesn’t have the time or the WRs. Put Luck on the Seahawks and he’s sacked more than when the Rams got to him in Indy. What Luck couldn’t do Wilson does routinely. I’ve seen Wilson make the passes necessary to win but without the O line and WRs the offense is dialed back into rushing and his scrambling. And they win. Where we really disagree is your “minimize his weaknesses”. He doesn’t have any. And this year he has Graham.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 4 months ago by bnw.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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    A note about Foles that i didnt know, from Wiki

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Foles
    “….Foles also excelled at basketball, where he started three years, twice received team MVP honors,[5] and was recruited by Georgetown, Baylor, and Texas….”

    Those are big-time schools. He must have been a damn fine athlete.
    I hope he still is.

    You know Foles’ “down” year wasnt all ‘that’ bad. I mean an 80 rating
    isnt great but we’ve all seen worse.

    Foles’ play during the first half of this 2014 season in stark contrast to his Pro Bowl season of 2013 has “soured” some in the organization, including general manager Howie Roseman, according to sources.

    In 10 starts in 2013 Foles threw 27 touchdown passes to just two interceptions, completed 64 percent of his passes and had a league-high quarterback rating of 119.2. This season, in eight starts Foles has thrown 13 touchdown passes and 10 interceptions and has a quarterback rating of 81.9.

    “I think Howie is looking at quarterbacks,” a league source told NJ.com. “He’s kind of soured on Foles, and I don’t think he’s alone. The organization isn’t sold that he’s the guy going forward.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/11/04/nick-foles-reportedly-wont-need-surgery-but-some-doubt-his-future-with-the-eagles-anyway/

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    #27054
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    i want to see a qb rating around 90. and i want to see 25 touchdown passes this season.

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    Except he doesn’t run as part of a tandem. His having to scramble is because he doesn’t have the time or the WRs. Put Luck on the Seahawks and he’s sacked more than when the Rams got to him in Indy. What Luck couldn’t do Wilson does routinely. I’ve seen Wilson make the passes necessary to win but without the O line and WRs the offense is dialed back into rushing and his scrambling. And they win. Where we really disagree is your “minimize his weaknesses”. He doesn’t have any. And this year he has Graham.

    By “tandem” I mean this. Wilson is a threat to run, which means that defenses have to watch both Lynch and Wilson. I don’t agree that he just scrambles. I think there are designed run options built into their plays.

    It helps for a lot of reason. For one Wilson has the 2nd highest percentage of play actions passes in relation to total attempts of any qb.

    I think all things considered, the recent Seattle OL (with both Okung and Unger) is better than the Colts OL and at a minimum, certainly not worse than the Colts. Luck actually holds the ball longer per play than Wilson, which is quite something considering he doesn’t have much in the way of an OL. So I don’t see him getting sacked as the Seattle qb any more than he does as the Colts qb. And that’s already with him being 3rd in the league in attempts. Though Luck has 37 runs on passing plays to Wilson’s 52–with Wilson 1st and Luck 3rd.

    Yeah we disagree on minimizing weaknesses. He has several. That’s why they don’t throw the ball. IMO they couldn’t win by relying on him to run a full-fledged passing offense.

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    Can the Rams succeed with the 2014 Nick Foles? IMO nope.

    From the very start of training camp, he never looked comfortable. He missed open receivers, held the ball away from his body in the pocket, threw off his back foot….his mechanics were sloppy.

    No, he did not look like the same QB from 2013, and if Philly sports radio was any indication, I wasn’t the only one to notice.

    He needs to be better in 2015. He’s going to a tougher division, facing tougher defenses, playing on a less talented offense…can’t be so careless with the football.

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