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    RamBill
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    Fisher not budging on QB decision
    • By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/fisher-not-budging-on-qb-decision/article_143a4d6a-4029-5e9a-b7de-61a3b23c6adb.html

    Based on his performance Sunday in Tampa, Austin Davis might win in a landslide if he ran for mayor this week. Nevertheless, Rams coach Jeff Fisher isn’t budging.

    “If Shaun is healthy and able to play, and not gonna subject himself to re-injuring it and making this worse, then Shaun’s our quarterback and Austin’s our backup,” Fisher said.

    “That’s just the way it is.”

    No wiggle room there?

    “No,” came the reply. “And you know what? I won’t visit with you guys (Tuesday), but I will on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. So you can ask me again Wednesday, Thursday, Friday if you want. You’re gonna get the same answer.”

    (Fisher does not meet with reporters on Tuesdays but does so on Wednesday through Friday.)

    It was then suggested that maybe Fisher should sleep on that decision for a day or two, mull it over.

    “I’m not sleeping on it,” Fisher answered. “I got it. I’m proud of Austin, and the way the team rallied around him. It was really exciting in the locker room for him.”

    True. It’s just that Fisher still believes that a healthy Hill gives the Rams the best chance to win.

    “You haven’t seen Shaun,” Fisher said. “Shaun was five for five against a good Minnesota defense here.”

    That’s how Hill started the Minnesota game before suffering a thigh injury in the second quarter. To some observers, Fisher saying “you haven’t seen Shaun” is exactly the point. Hill has thrown a total of 30 passes in game situations for the Rams — and that’s including preseason play.

    If he were established here as the Rams’ starting quarterback, that would be one thing. But he’s not. Hill didn’t sign with the Rams until March 31 and threw only 13 passes in the three previous regular seasons with Detroit.

    As for Davis, who was the fourth-team quarterback less than a month ago, he led the Rams to their first victory in a road opener in 13 seasons, 19-17 over Tampa Bay. He played with mistake-free precision and was very accurate, completing 76 percent of his passes (22 of 29).

    He had ice in his veins over the final three series Sunday at Raymond James Stadium, leading the Rams on three field goal drives and converting four third-down plays in the process.

    “He was in complete control,” Fisher said. “He did a real nice job checking out of some things, and getting us into some things. The line of scrimmage was stacked (Sunday), and their opinion was probably that Austin wasn’t going to beat them with his arm. And he did.

    “He made some great plays, made some great throws. He understood exactly what we needed to do.”

    Still, the entire argument about whether a healthy Hill should start over Davis probably is moot this week because indications are that Hill won’t be 100 percent for Sunday’s home game against Dallas.

    Fisher pretty much stated that Sunday evening when asked about Hill’s status.

    “This week (off) really helped him, and another week will help him, and hopefully put this thing behind him,” Fisher said.

    Which was pretty much an admission that Hill is still a week away — that it’s a two-week injury. So if Hill sits out the Dallas game, the Rams then have their bye week. By then, there should be no doubt about Hill’s status. Barring a setback, he should be fully healthy for the team’s Oct. 5 game at Philadelphia — the first game after the bye.

    So the fact that the bye week is looming after Dallas could have a bearing on deciding who starts Sunday.

    “Well, it would be a factor,” Fisher said. “Again, this is not coach-speak. It’s day to day. We’re going to see how he is.”

    Fisher said there is a chance Hill could get some work in Wednesday’s practice, the first practice of the Dallas game week. He said it’s more probable, however, that Hill waits till Thursday to get back on the practice field.

    “Shaun wasn’t set back at all during the warmups, during his test before pregame warmups in Tampa,” Fisher said. “So he’s still rehabbing.”

    If nothing else, Davis will have great memories of his day at Tampa, especially that 27-yard completion with less than 2 minutes remaining on third-and-9 to Austin Pettis — a throw that put the Rams in position to kick the winning field goal.

    Davis absorbed a big hit from Tampa Bay defensive lineman Da’Quan Bowers while making that throw. Then came the youthful exuberance on the sidelines after Greg Zuerlein’s field goal gave the Rams a 19-17 lead with 38 seconds to play.

    Shouting, fist-pumping, Davis worked his way down the sidelines exchanging hugs, high fives, handshakes with running backs Zac Stacy and Benny Cunningham, quarterbacks Hill and Case Keenum, tight ends coach Rob Boras, tight end Jared Cook. And then a slap on the helmet from defensive captain James Laurinaitis.

    Call it Austin Davis’ victory stroll. And lastly, a game ball delivered directly from Fisher in the locker room.

    As Fisher has mentioned on several occasions, he’s proud of Davis.

    But Fisher also added Monday: “When Shaun comes back he’ll win a lot of games for us.”

    #7348
    RamBill
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    Fisher: QB Hill still the starter if healthy
    • By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/fisher-qb-hill-still-the-starter-if-healthy/article_f673c505-951e-5a74-8551-69128410c7c0.html

    TAMPA, FLA. • Injured quarterback Shaun Hill tested his strained thigh more than 2½ hours before game time Sunday at Raymond James Stadium.

    But coach Jeff Fisher said after the Rams’ 19-17 victory that there was never a chance Hill was going to start against Tampa Bay.

    “At no point was there a chance for Shaun to start,” Fisher said.

    Why then, was Hill on the game-day roster and in uniform?

    “We kept him up in case we had a problem and he needed to finish the game in shotgun,” Fisher said. “It couldn’t have worked out better for us. It’ll be day-to-day this week (for Hill). This week really helped him and another week will help him and hopefully put this thing behind him.”

    So Hill dressed but didn’t play, as was the case with No. 3 QB Case Keenum, whom the team claimed off waivers from Houston two weeks ago.

    Given Austin Davis’ 22-of-29, no-turnover performance against the Buccaneers, Fisher was asked if Davis now supplants Hill as the starter.

    “No,” Fisher replied. “When Shaun comes back, he’s our starter. I’m really proud of Austin, but Shaun’s our starter when he can play.”

    TAVON AUSTIN INJURED

    Wide receiver and punt returner Tavon Austin suffered a knee injury on the last play before the lightning delay. He was hit hard from behind by Tampa safety Mark Barron trying to catch a pass from Austin Davis. The ball fell incomplete after a jarring hit.

    Fisher said that he did not know the severity of the injury.

    Austin warmed up with his teammates following the weather delay but couldn’t go. He had a wrap on his right knee and his helmet off when play resumed and did not return.

    “It stiffened up on me,” Austin said, adding that he will have an MRI exam today in St. Louis.

    HOT LOCKER

    During the 50-minute lightning delay midway through the second quarter, the Rams spent about 40 minutes in the locker room under what left guard Rodger Saffold described as sauna-like conditions.

    “We just tried to stay hydrated,” Saffold said. “Some guys were stretching out. Lots of people were just resting.

    “Which was crazy, because there wasn’t even air conditioning on, so it was kind of muggy in here. It was actually cooler outside than in here.”

    Which is saying something, since the temperature reached 94 degrees Sunday in Tampa.

    As to what went on during that time, Fisher said it was basically a very long halftime.

    “The coaches come in, just rally and make some adjustments. And figure out what we’re going to do on that third-down play,” Fisher said.

    It was third-and-13 when the lightning delay began. The Rams gained 11 on a run by Benny Cunningham and then punted once the game resumed.

    SITTING IT OUT

    Inactives were: RBs Tre Mason and Trey Watts, DB Lamarcus Joyner (back), CB Trumaine Johnson (knee), C/G Barrett Jones (back), DL Matt Conrath, and TE Alex Bayer.

    That meant rookies S Maurice Alexander (of Eureka High) and DL Ethan Westbrooks saw their first NFL action. Both were inactive last week against Minnesota. Alexander saw action on special teams; Westbrooks played some on defense.

    With Joyner down, Brandon McGee was the Rams’ third cornerback. He came in against three-wide receiver sets and played outside. When that happened, rookie E.J. Gaines of Missouri slid inside and covered the Bucs’ slot receiver.

    RB Doug Martin (knee) was among the Tampa Bay inactives. The Bucs didn’t miss him because replacement Bobby Rainey gained 144 yards on 22 carries against a struggling Rams run defense.

    Tampa lost its best defensive player, tackle Gerald McCoy, and starting middle linebacker Mason Foster to injury during the game.

    #7530
    RamBill
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    Should Shaun Hill or Austin Davis get the start versus the Cowboys Sunday? ESPN.com Rams Insider Nick Wagoner breaks it down with Randy Karraker.

    http://www.rams-news.com/espns-nick-wagoner-breaks-down-the-rams-big-win-over-the-bucs-radio-interview/

    #7544
    RamBill
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    Burwell: Fisher is wise to avoid drama
    • By BRYAN BURWELL

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bryan-burwell/burwell-fisher-is-wise-to-avoid-drama/article_04629054-525e-5f87-a783-03c0d67b2e9e.html

    Through his entire 20-year career as a pro football head coach, Jeff Fisher has never committed the folly of being led into the nasty riptide of a full-fledged NFL quarterback controversy. From Houston to Nashville, from struggling teams on the rebuild to gifted teams on the championship prowl, there was no circumstance that would draw him into that divisive swirl that every coach abhors and wants to avoid.

    So now, just two games into this rather unusual 2014 season, the Rams’ coach isn’t about to let the swelling popular support for young Austin Davis suck him into the turbulence.

    The Rams have no quarterback controversy because Fisher says they don’t.

    “You can ask me again, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, if you want,” Fisher told a gathering of reporters Monday evening. “You’re going to get the same answer.”

    That answer is this: When healthy, Shaun Hill is his starting QB.

    Let me make this a little easier for you to decipher.

    When healthy, Shaun Hill is his starting QB.

    But Hill isn’t healthy and probably won’t be for another two weeks or so.

    So of course what the coach won’t admit is that there really is no QB controversy because of an obvious technicality.

    So it’s easy to publicly stick by the 13-year veteran Hill with 26 career NFL starts over the neophyte Davis, with one NFL start under his belt. But none of that matters right now, because Hill’s still too gimpy to play and contribute at full speed and Davis has proven that, with the right preparation, he can manage his way through an NFL game with some noticeable skill and competence.

    So even as the public clamors for Fisher to make some declaration that the new kid on the block has leapfrogged Hill on the depth chart, the coach won’t do it, and I don’t blame him.

    There’s really no decision to make, so why bother making one that will only stir things up unnecessarily?

    This is one of those moments that Tony La Russa, the baseball Cardinals’ old Hall of Fame manager, used to love. Reporters would crowd into his office with these wonderful hypothetical questions that asked La Russa to suspend the present and delve into the future … of course (wink, wink) just for the sake of conversation.

    The manager would grin, shrug his shoulders and tell anyone within earshot that he wouldn’t answer the question because he didn’t need to. If and when the hypothetical situation became a reality, then and only then would La Russa ponder it publicly.

    This is pretty much what Fisher is doing regarding his quarterbacks. It might make for delicious fodder for sports talk show chatter and maybe a few clashing columns or two, but the coach isn’t going to bite on this hypothetical because he doesn’t have to. You don’t create a mess if there is no need to create one. You don’t stir up trouble when there is no need. You don’t generate a false competition when none exists. Hill isn’t likely to be ready to play this weekend against Dallas, which means the starting job is in Davis’ hands for at least another game.

    So this week, Fisher will play it coy for all the obvious competitive reasons, listing Hill on the injury report as questionable, maybe giving him a few reps during practice and telling us once again it will be a game-time decision.

    But he probably already knows that it makes no sense to rush Hill back when the best thing for him and the team is to allow Hill to patiently rehab and return only when he is 100 percent healthy. Fisher isn’t blowing smoke when he offers Hill those reassuring words that the No. 1 job is his, based on the glaring fact that Hill’s body of work (34 total NFL games and 959 career pass attempts) is far more conclusive than the small sample size of Davis, who now has thrown a grand total of 52 NFL passes.

    The reluctance to proclaim Davis No.1 is simple. We don’t have enough information to know if Davis is a flash in the pan or a rising star, and one game isn’t enough to get an NFL wise guy like Fisher all giddy with the sort of puppy love that is afflicting most Rams loyalists.

    But Fisher has seen enough to know that maybe, just maybe, they could be on to something with Davis, and it’s worth exploring what the kid’s ultimate ability could be for a bit longer. While the starter’s job may ultimately return to Hill’s hands the moment he is healthy, there is still an element of competition that can’t — and probably won’t — be ignored by Fisher.

    Davis has been in the NFL long enough to know that every time you are on the field you are putting something on tape for the entire league to observe. This is the NFL equivalent of a flash-mob audition. He has been thrown into the starting lineup and for as long as it lasts, he has the opportunity to change Jeff Fisher’s mind.

    Even as Fisher steadfastly sticks to his “there is no controversy” mantra, he understands that talent is always capable of trumping experience. Davis needs to keep improving, keep showing that the things he did against Tampa Bay were not a fluke. He needs to get out on that practice field this week and in the meeting rooms all week and make a lasting impression on everyone at Rams Park.

    Sunday was a mighty fine start, but that is all it was: a start.

    What comes next will determine if he’s a lot closer to being the next Kurt Warner or the next Scott Covington.

    It was hard not to notice how much better and more confident Davis grew as the game went on. Fisher saw it when he was on the field and on the sidelines, and he loved what he saw.

    “He was in complete control,” said the coach. “If there’s a timeout here or a timeout there or whatever the situation was, we’re talking (to him) and he goes, ‘I got it.’ He felt good about what we were doing. He did a real nice job checking out of some things and getting us into some other things. The line of scrimmage was stacked yesterday and (Tampa’s) opinion was probably that Austin wasn’t going to beat them with his arm, and he did. He made some great plays, made some great throws. He understood exactly what we needed to do.”

    The best thing Davis can do now is keep winning. You know what they say about winning, right? It solves everything, including any real or imagined QB controversy that might be percolating.

    #7670
    RamBill
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    Fisher stands by Hill-when-healthy mantra
    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/11797/fisher-stands-by-hill-when-healthy-mantra

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — No matter how many times the question is asked or in how many different ways it’s phrased, St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher has never wavered in his response: Shaun Hill is his starting quarterback and Austin Davis is the backup.

    It goes something like this:

    “If Shaun is healthy and able to play and not going to subject himself to re-injuring this or making it worse, then Shaun’s our quarterback and Austin’s our backup,” Fisher said. “That’s just the way it is.”

    Well, then what about the possibility for a change of heart after sleeping on it?

    “I won’t visit with you guys (Tuesday), but I will Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, so you can ask me again, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, if you want,” Fisher said. “You’re going to get the same answer.”

    Once again, Fisher has reiterated that he’s never had a quarterback controversy in his many years of coaching and he doesn’t plan to start now. Of course, there are a few factors at play here that need to be taken into account.

    The key word in Fisher’s response is “healthy.” Hill will start when healthy. In other words, when his injured thigh is healed.

    That didn’t happen last week and there’s no guarantee that it will this week. Fisher said Hill probably wouldn’t practice Wednesday and might be able to do limited work Thursday. Until he can get back on the field in practice, there’s no need to rush Hill back, especially with Davis now having some experience and a good performance as a starter last week under his belt.

    Until Hill is healthy, there’s really not even much reason to discuss a possible quarterback controversy. If Hill is close to healthy but not all the way there, there’s no reason for the Rams to even ponder playing him. That’s especially true with the bye week coming after this week’s game.

    According to Fisher, the impending bye week could be a part of the decision should Hill be close but not all the way back.

    “Well it would be a factor,” Fisher said. “Again, this is not coach speak, it’s day to day. We’re going to see how he is.”

    If indeed Hill isn’t able to return this week, the Rams would have an additional week to get him healthy to play in Week 5 against Philadelphia. That would serve the purpose of not only allowing Hill to get to 100 percent but give the Rams another opportunity to evaluate Davis.

    If Davis starts again and struggles, it could remove any lingering outside doubts that Hill should be the guy moving forward. If Davis starts again, plays well and leads the Rams to another win, perhaps Fisher will have to reconsider over the bye. Perhaps he won’t. But if that’s the case, rest assured, the questions will only continue.

    #7703
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    The title on this posting is very misleading. Fisher did not come out and name Hill the starter this week as of yet.

    Grits

    #7705
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    The title on this posting is very misleading. Fisher did not come out and name Hill the starter this week as of yet.

    Grits

    No what he did come out and say is that he is not going to rush him back.

    Hill is the starter as soon as he is ready. He HAS said that. He also said he’s not going to revisit it, and the decision is final. But it just depends on what he comes back…and that’s probably after the bye. Not this week. But then that was expected.

    #7757
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    http://rams.247sports.com/Bolt/Davis-could-get-another-start-at-QB-for-Rams-31259384

    Sure looks like it is Davis again this week to me.

    Grits

    #7764
    PA Ram
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    I’d like to dedicate this song to GRITS and his new love Austin Davis.

    This is for you buddy:

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #7765
    Avatar photozn
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    http://rams.247sports.com/Bolt/Davis-could-get-another-start-at-QB-for-Rams-31259384

    Sure looks like it is Davis again this week to me.

    Grits

    But we knew that Grits. Before today. c

    FISHER ON WEDS:

    On how the quarterback reps were distributed)
    “ Austin (Davis) took 95 percent of the reps and Shaun (Hill) did a little bit of stuff. We’re just going to be day-to-day on that. Just like I’ve said.”

    (On what he needs to see out of Hill to see if he will be ready to play on Sunday)
    “More than what we’re seeing right now. Again, this is about not setting him back so we don’t want to put him in position out here on the field to where we’re risking setting him back. He’s day-to-day and we’ll see where it goes.”

    So right now, same as yesterday, Hill is the starter but out while healing, Davis is the back-up taking his place. That makes sense for the Dallas game.

    If Davis is the starter after the bye, that means Fisher hedged his bets and went with Davis. Otherwise, it’s Hill. Who starts in Dallas doesn’t tell us anything either way…and frankly I don’t think anyone expected Hill to be ready yet, from an injury standpoint. It is now, and always has been, the Eagles game after the bye that tells us if Fisher is sticking with Hill as the starter or changing his mind. So either way he’s not changing his mind (if he does) until after the Dallas game. Personally I doubt he will change his mind after Dallas, regardless how that game goes. But that’s just an opinion.

    #7772
    Avatar photowv
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    Anybody think Austin Davis will have
    as good a game against Dallas
    as he had against Tampa?

    w
    v

    #7819
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Anybody think Austin Davis will have
    as good a game against Dallas
    as he had against Tampa?

    w
    v

    I think at this point, every game contains surprises. Of all kinds. Who for example knew that McDonald was a multi-tasking, game-changing monster.

    #7821
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    Yes, Austin Davis will do great against Dallas WV.

    Grits

    #7828
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    I know this. Rams have no shot with a statue like Hill in the pocket. At least Davis can create and make things happen with his legs.

    Grits

    #7830
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    This Hill thing is a joke. I have never seen a QB that could not play because of a pulled leg muscle before.

    Davis is the guy. Fisher needs to own up and admit it.

    Grits

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