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    JackPMiller
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    Jeff Fisher exposed for who he is, has been

    Jeff Fisher exposed for who he is, has been
    By: Will Reeve | 12 hours ago

    Throughout history, few are the stories that end in greatness when the leader of the narrative chooses paths of stubborn mediocrity.

    If the 2016 Los Angeles Rams season is any indicator, absolutely no one should expect Jeff Fisher to be the man who changes history–not overall, and certainly not his own.

    Over the course of his 22-year career, Fisher’s teams rank in the 54th percentile in rushing (yards per attempt), in the 33rd percentile in passing attempts, in the 38th percentile in passing yards, in the 52nd percentile in defense (both overall yards, as well as points), and in the dismal 43rd percentile in defensive passing yards.

    With Sunday’s turnover-laden loss to the New York Giants (4-3) in London, the Rams fell to a record of 3-4 on the year and have lost three in a row. Fisher’s career head coaching record also dropped to 172-160 (.515) overall–a decidedly average mark for a coach who’s name is bordering on being used as an adjective in place of “mediocrity” by many local millennials.

    Fisher’s abominable choice to continue to start Case Keenum as the Rams’ quarterback is finally starting to get the recognition for the embarrassment that it is after Sunday’s nationally televised debacle in London. Per ESPN Stats & Info, Keenum went 9 of 10 with a touchdown in the first three quarters Sunday.

    Not bad.

    However, with a right arm made of angel hair pasta, Keenum proceeded to fling four interceptions on 53.5 percent (23 of 43) passing in the decisive final quarter.

    Keenum’s felonious fourth quarter output isn’t something that should be considered a surprise. After all, in 2016 Keenum boasts a fourth quarter rating of 52 (last) on 50.7 percent passing while dinking the ball an average of 5.6 yards per attempt (also last) per NFL.com.

    The 28 year old has also never started more than eight games (2013 in Houston) in a season over the course of his career. Lastly, his quarterback rating of 20.3 (completing 45.8 percent of passes) when his team is behind by more than one score, is also a league-worst mark.

    Flashing back to the draft: the Rams traded six picks with the Tennessee Titans to get Jared Goff. In so doing, Los Angeles deemed the 22-year-old quarterback the future of the franchise.

    Picks given up included four from 2016–a first-round pick (15th overall), two second-round picks (43rd and 45th overall), and a third-round pick (76th overall)–as well as their 2017 first-round and third-round picks. A hefty price tag that serves to expose Fisher’s stubbornness in continuing to play Keenum as borderline negligent.

    In addition to bad quarterback decisions, Fisher’s track record for getting production out of the running game is far worse than most realize. One doesn’t have to look much further than this season to realize just how bad Fisher is in this area of the game.

    Todd Gurley has disappeared behind Fisher’s scheme and quarterback. In fact, the second-year running back is currently on pace to have the second-worst rushing season for a bell-cow back (defined as a minimum of 300 carries in a season) in the history of the NFL.

    Through seven games Gurley is averaging 19 carries per game, 3.0 yards per carry and has amassed 403 yards. Those numbers translate to a hefty 306 carries over 16 games but just a paltry 921 yards. Since 1920, no running back has averaged fewer yards per carry than Gurley apart from Eddie George, who posted a 2.8 average in 2001.

    George’s coach that season? You guessed it–Jeff Fisher.

    In fact, George went on to have the eighth-worst season in history the following year (2002), followed by the sixth-worst season ever in 2003. Again, all under Fisher.

    After Sunday’s demoralizing loss to the Giants, the Rams rank 29th in rushing yards per game (79.9), 30th in overall offensive yards per game (307.6) and 30th in points per game (17.1). Meanwhile their extremely talented defense has borne Fisher’s trademark of being patently medicore to boot; they rank 15th in points allowed per game (22.1), 14th in passing yards allowed (239) and 15th in rushing yards allowed (104.3).

    In the National Football League, almost all players expect their careers to be short. A quick glance at most coach’s resumes will reveal upwards of eight stops in their careers. Yet somehow, Fisher continues to successfully rebuke his overwhelmingly poor stats and maintain a head coaching position.

    Indeed, the NFL is widely known to stand for “not for long” by players and coaches alike. However, in Fisher’s case, no acronym is needed. If this team is ever to walk in the talent it possesses on its roster, Fisher’s time must come to an end.

    Perpetual mediocrity and disappointment is not what Los Angeles fans signed up for after losing the country’s most popular sport for 21 years. However, it’s exactly what they’ll continue to get until front offices finally see Fisher’s track record for what it is and cast aside any illusions of something great.

    History, both recent and past, has a story to tell the Rams’ front office regarding Fisher. The question now is, will they finally listen?

    • This topic was modified 8 years, 2 months ago by JackPMiller.
    #55973
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    keenum threw 43 passes in the fourth quarter against just 10 in the first three?

    that’s just weird. the more and more i think about it goff should be starting.

    him not starting means either.

    fisher is dumb.

    or.

    goff looks that bad.

    #55974
    Avatar photozn
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    keenum threw 43 passes in the fourth quarter against just 10 in the first three?

    that’s just weird. the more and more i think about it goff should be starting.

    him not starting means either.

    fisher is dumb.

    or.

    goff looks that bad.

    Or it;s Fisher doesn;t think Goff is ready and he doesn’t blame Keenum for the loss. Plus his priority is fixing the running game since the team was built around it and without that a lot of things are “off” right now. He also thinks they’re still in it and is staying in “win now” mode.

    There’s no “Fisher dumb” or “Goff looks bad” about it.

    #55978
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    you said it yourself. goff isn’t ready. or goff is that bad. same difference.

    #55979
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    and keenum really is irrelevant in this case. it’s really just about moving on and investing in your future. if he’s improving as they say he is.

    #55981
    Avatar photozn
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    and keenum really is irrelevant in this case. it’s really just about moving on and investing in your future. if he’s improving as they say he is.

    That’s one view. But the coach has a different view. The coach’s view is, we’re still in win now.

    It really does amount to 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

    Because no matter what anyone says, the truth is (yes Mr. It’s All Opinions said “the truth is”), there is absolutely no credible argument that states one way of bringing along a qb is superior to another.

    We’ve seen qbs develop from being on the sidelines long before they start. That’s true of all NFL history.

    We’ve seen qbs develop by taking their lumps and getting live reps.

    We’ve also seen both methods fail (more often than not in fact).

    So it gets down to the coach’s decision as to whether he wants to go with win now.

    You may not like that call, but it’s a perfectly valid call.

    #55982
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    and keenum really is irrelevant in this case. it’s really just about moving on and investing in your future. if he’s improving as they say he is.

    That’s one view. But the coach has a different view. The coach’s view is, we’re still in win now.

    It really does amount to 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

    Because no matter what anyone says, the truth is (yes Mr. It’s All Opinions said “the truth is”), there is absolutely no credible argument that states one way of bringing along a qb is superior to another.

    We’ve seen qbs develop from being on the sidelines long before they start. That’s true of all NFL history.

    We’ve seen qbs develop by taking their lumps and getting live reps.

    We’ve also seen both methods fail (more often than not in fact).

    So it gets down to the coach’s decision as to whether he wants to go with win now.

    You may not like that call, but it’s a perfectly valid call.

    right. meaning goff doesn’t look that good right now.

    which is fine. he can sit. doesn’t mean he can’t start in the future.

    but if he does look that good. right now. then you do.

    but if he’s gonna try and win now with this cast then i don’t know what he’s doing. this defense. this running game. not good enough. and that’s what keenum needs to succeed. he doesn’t have that. so if he’s in win now mode with keenum. with this cast. then he’s stupid.

    #55983
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    although there is a chance however small that fisher can get the running game going.

    i don’t know how he does that. i’m not a big fan of boras right now. that’s for sure. maybe they need to change coordinators. wouldn’t be the first time fisher has done that mid-season.

    #55984
    Avatar photozn
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    right. meaning goff doesn’t look that good right now.

    which is fine. he can sit. doesn’t mean he can’t start in the future.

    but if he does look that good. right now. then you do.

    but if he’s gonna try and win now with this cast then i don’t know what he’s doing. this defense. this running game. not good enough. and that’s what keenum needs to succeed. he doesn’t have that. so if he’s in win now mode with keenum. with this cast. then he’s stupid.

    No. It doesn’t mean that about Goff. It means he looks like a rookie—and the VAST majority of rookie qbs struggle. That’s throughout NFL history. The numbers on that are overwhelming.

    So if you start a rookie qb, you are accepting your lumps. So you choose between that and win now mode.

    Coach made his choice. You prefer another. I promise that’s all this is.

    In terms of win now, then, you are just more despairing than he is. Which I like. I don’t like a coach who gives up.

    They can win with this cast and in fact have proven they can. Fisher’s idea is to use the bye to fix certain things, and why not. The defense was different after the Detroit game. The receivers were better in the Detroit game which means they can do it. Coach thinks he can use the bye to improve the running game.

    I reject any hyperbolic over-reaction such as “he’s stupid.” To me, that’s just your frustration talking. (Which is fine, talk away. We just see it differently.)

    .

    #55985
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    he’s a rookie. he looks that bad. it’s the same difference.

    really. it’s the same thing.

    and proven they can win what? what is it exactly that they have proven they can win?

    fisher says so many things. we don’t know what he’s actually thinking.

    he said he wasn’t going to trade bradford right before he traded bradford. so no one here knows what he has planned for these next two weeks.

    i’ve even conceded i don’t know if he’s going to start goff or not. if he doesn’t it means one of two things.

    #55988
    sanbagger
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    keenum threw 43 passes in the fourth quarter against just 10 in the first three?

    that’s just weird. the more and more i think about it goff should be starting.

    him not starting means either.

    fisher is dumb.

    or.

    goff looks that bad.

    CK didn’t throw 43 passes in the 4th quarter and he didn’t throw 4 INT’s in the 4th quarter either.

    I think the guy just penned his article a little confusing.

    #55989
    Avatar photozn
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    he’s a rookie. he looks that bad. it’s the same difference.

    really. it’s the same thing.

    No it’s not the same thing old friend. If you say he’s a rookie than it’s all normal and par for the course.

    If you say he looks bad that means he’s not even developing at the normal rate for a rookie.

    If you just meant he’s a rookie and rookies are rookies, then, yeah, I am with you.

    #55991
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    keenum threw 43 passes in the fourth quarter against just 10 in the first three?

    that’s just weird. the more and more i think about it goff should be starting.

    him not starting means either.

    fisher is dumb.

    or.

    goff looks that bad.

    CK didn’t throw 43 passes in the 4th quarter and he didn’t throw 4 INT’s in the 4th quarter either.

    I think the guy just penned his article a little confusing.

    yeah. that didn’t sound right. no way he threw 43 passes in 1 quarter.

    #55992
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    he’s a rookie. he looks that bad. it’s the same difference.

    really. it’s the same thing.

    No it’s not the same thing old friend. If you say he’s a rookie than it’s all normal and par for the course.

    If you say he looks bad that means he’s not even developing at the normal rate for a rookie.

    If you just meant he’s a rookie and rookies are rookies, then, yeah, I am with you.

    there’s no normal anything. some rookies develop faster. some slower. it will mean he’s developing slower. but who cares if he ends up being good. that’s all i care about. ultimately.

    #55993
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I was fine with Keenum this season. I thought he was good enough to QB this team to the playoffs. He has played better than I expected. But, with this team now, I think the playoffs are a dream. Fisher doesn’t, he really can’t think that way. He has to think that Goff gives the Rams the best chance to win before he plays him. I don’t think Keenum will be with the team next year, although he could be. So, I want to play Goff. If not, then I want to play Mannion. It seems we are in a pretty bad division this year, so maybe, we can win the division.

    Agamemnon

    #55994
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Maybe they should play both Keenum and Goff. Platoon them like Waterfield and Van Brocklin.

    Maybe they both can wear black high top cleats and run the Wing-T offense too.

    Brilliant! Does anyone alive today even know how to defend the Wing-T?

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 2 months ago by Avatar photonittany ram.
    #55996
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I was fine with Keenum this season. I thought he was good enough to QB this team to the playoffs. He has played better than I expected. But, with this team now, I think the playoffs are a dream. Fisher doesn’t, he really can’t think that way. He has to think that Goff gives the Rams the best chance to win before he plays him. I don’t think Keenum will be with the team next year, although he could be. So, I want to play Goff. If not, then I want to play Mannion. It seems we are in a pretty bad division this year, so maybe, we can win the division.

    Yes, I agree.

    I am in favor of starting Goff at this point, but NOT because I think it is the right thing to do. I don’t know if he is ready.

    I want to start Goff now because I am now officially bored. That’s my reason.

    I have seen this movie before. Many, many times. It ends with draft talk around Thanksgiving.

    Watching Goff would give me a reason to tune in. Otherwise, I will find something else to do.

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