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    https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2021-02-02/jared-goff-interview-rams-trade-detroit-lions-matt-stafford

    Exclusive: Jared Goff unsure why he became wrong for Rams, but ‘the feeling’s mutual’

    Competing emotions have come at quarterback Jared Goff like an all-out blitz from every angle — sadness, confusion, frustration, hope, elation and gratitude — and his head is still spinning, a few days after the Rams traded him to the Detroit Lions.
    The deal that ended his time in Los Angeles surprised Goff, and the reality is only starting to sink in.
    “Ultimately, they wanted to go in a different direction,” Goff, part of a blockbuster quarterback swap that sent Matthew Stafford to the Rams, said Tuesday. “As the quarterback, as the guy that’s at arguably the most important position on the field, if you’re in a place that you’re not wanted and they want to move on from you, the feeling’s mutual.

    “You don’t want to be in the wrong place. It became increasingly clear that was the case. [The trade] is something that I’m hopeful is going to be so good for my career.”
    In a half-hour phone interview with The Times, Goff said he learned of the trade immediately after it happened Saturday night, two weeks after the Rams were eliminated from the NFL playoffs in the divisional round by the Green Bay Packers.
    It was an abrupt end for the first pick in the 2016 draft, who twice made the Pro Bowl, and two years earlier helped the Rams to their first Super Bowl in 17 years.

    “I really enjoyed my time here,” said Goff, 26, “I want to leave this on a positive note. Obviously, the ending wasn’t favorable and wasn’t fun. But them drafting me No. 1 overall and bringing me to a city that hasn’t had a football team in a long time, being a part of that rebuild after 2016, being able to help bring L.A. football back to prominence, all that stuff I take extreme pride in. It’s something that I’ll always remember.”

    Between 2005 and 2016, the Rams failed to make the playoffs. In four years with Goff as their starter, they reached the wild-card round, Super Bowl and divisional round.

    The Rams declined comment for this story, because they are prohibited from doing so until the trade becomes official in March at the start of the new league year. The Lions sent them Stafford in exchange for Goff, a third-round pick this year and two first-rounders in the following two years.
    Goff, who before the 2019 season signed an extension that included a then-record $110 million in guarantees, isn’t sure when the tide turned against him.
    “That’s the tough part right now is trying to figure that out, when did that happen?” he said. “Those are all conversations that I may or may not have, and try to figure it out. That’s the conversation to have.”

    Asked if it is strange that he has yet to have that talk with the Rams, he said: “A little bit, yeah.”

    This season Goff passed a for 20 touchdowns, the fewest since his rookie year, with 13 interceptions. He also fumbled seven times, losing four.

    After a Nov. 29 loss to the San Francisco 49ers, in which Goff had two interceptions and a fumble, Rams coach Sean McVay abandoned his familiar self-blaming and called out Goff publicly for the first time, saying the quarterback needed to take better care of the football.
    Down the stretch, the tension mounted as Goff missed several opportunities in a loss to the winless New York Jets.
    But a pivotal moment occurred after he suffered a broken thumb on his throwing hand in the second-to-last game at Seattle. Although Goff gritted through the pain and finished the game, he underwent thumb surgery the following day.

    “The next day, my thumb was swollen to the point where I wouldn’t be able to move it,” Goff said. “It was as big as you can get your thumb. Enormous. It was either hope that swelling goes down by this week, or get surgery, miss a week and move forward. That was clearly the best way to do it.”

    In the finale against the Arizona Cardinals, backup John Wolford, playing in his first NFL game, helped the Rams to victory and a spot in the playoffs.

    Heading into a postseason opener at Seattle, Goff still was recovering from surgery but felt he was ready to play. McVay chose to start Wolford, and relegated Goff to backup. But Wolford suffered a neck injury in the first quarter, and Goff came off the bench, passed for a touchdown and led the Rams to victory.
    With Wolford ruled out, Goff started the divisional game at Green Bay, and despite a still-healing thumb, passed for a touchdown and didn’t make any major mistakes.
    After the game, McVay was asked if Goff was his quarterback. The coach qualified his response by saying Goff was the quarterback “right now.” In a news conference the next day, McVay said there would be competition at every position, including quarterback.

    Two days later, general manager Les Snead echoed McVay by saying that Goff was the quarterback “in this moment.” Five days later, the Rams traded Goff.
    “Regardless of how it ended, me and Sean had a great relationship and did so many great things together,” Goff said. “Won a bunch of big games. Won a bunch of playoff games. Won two divisions together. Having so much success on the offense, so many good times and memories.
    “Unfortunately it ended sourly, but it still doesn’t take away from all those times we had.”

    “When you first hear it, it’s difficult, it’s disappointing,” he said. “But you get so excited that you get a fresh start. You get to be somewhere you’re believed in. That clearly wasn’t the case here anymore, and when that happened, I don’t know.

    “There’s still some conversations to be had. Those will shed some light, obviously, and I’ll be able to understand things a little bit more. But at today’s given time, I want my message to be a thankful one to the city of L.A. and the Kroenke family [who owns the team], and to the Rams organization for my time with them.
    “It’s disappointing and unfortunate the way it ended, but there were so many great times and so many great wins, so many great memories in practice, the locker room, in meetings. That stuff will last me forever.”
    The son of a firefighter, Goff he had been involved in California Strong, a movement providing relief for families that lost their homes in recent years to wildfires. Last spring, Goff donated $250,000 to the Los Angeles Regional Food Bank — along with a matching donation from Rams teammate Andrew Whitworth — upon learning the coronavirus outbreak would impact students dependent on free lunches. He had been working with the Inglewood School District on initiatives involving elementary schools, including providing funds for a remodeled library at Warren Lane Elementary, a project that is currently underway.

    “L.A. became home for me,” said Goff, a Bay Area native. “It’s a place where I put my roots in the ground. Being able to affect the community in Inglewood over the past year or two has been the most rewarding thing I’ve ever done in my life.
    “One thing I said to them this year is, ‘this isn’t a one-year thing. This isn’t just right now. This isn’t a PR move. I’m going to be here a long time, and I’m going to be with you guys a long time.’
    “Unfortunately, obviously, things changed quickly. But that doesn’t mean I’m leaving them, or no longer involved in their community or helping those children out of tough situations and raising them up. That will continue.”

    Goff said he was “extremely disappointed and upset” upon learning of the trade, but his mood brightened within 30 minutes after speaking to the Lions, whose new general manager, Brad Holmes, was director of college scouting for the Rams, and whose new offensive coordinator is former Chargers coach Anthony Lynn.
    Talking to the Lions, Goff said, “is what made me go, ‘oh my God, this is how it’s supposed to feel. This makes me feel great,’ how excited they were, how fired up they were.”

    He added: “As time has gone on over the last few days, and even the end of that night, it becomes a positive and you start to feel really good about yourself again. You start to feel, I don’t want to say relief is the word, but you start to feel happy, grateful, ready for a new opportunity. That’s the biggest feeling that I was overcome with that night, and even in the days following.
    “Of course you go back and forth, and your emotions go all over the place. But for the most part it’s been this feeling of gratefulness for what I was able to do here and accomplish in L.A., and at the same time excitement for the city I’m coming to, the city I’m going to bring a whole lot of passion to, and a whole lot of hopefully success for a long time.
    “I’m not going to sit here and beat my own drum, but I have a lot of pride in being able to be resilient, to have that as a part of my makeup. We had so many great times here, and then there were times that I did have to dig deep, be a man about it, and handle things the right way. I think I did that.”

    Sam Farmer
    Honored by the Pro Football Hall of Fame in recognition of his “long and distinguished reporting in the field of pro football,” Sam Farmer has covered the NFL for 25 seasons. A graduate of Occidental College, he’s a two-time winner of California Sportswriter of the Year and first place for beat writing by Associated Press Sports Editors

    #127520
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    well. i hope sean has that conversation with goff. i think it’ll happen. it should happen if mcvay is who i think he is.

    and i still am not sure about the trade. i probably won’t be sure until about 11 months from now. and even then. i was looking forward to watching goff develop over the next 10+ years. i’ll probably observe from afar. but it’s not the same as watching him game in and game out. year in and year out.

    #127524
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    well. i hope sean has that conversation with goff. i think it’ll happen. it should happen if mcvay is who i think he is.

    and i still am not sure about the trade. i probably won’t be sure until about 11 months from now. and even then. i was looking forward to watching goff develop over the next 10+ years. i’ll probably observe from afar. but it’s not the same as watching him game in and game out. year in and year out.

    I have very similar feelings on that part of it.

    But it’s a 2-sided thing and on the other side, I do look forward to seeing Stafford play as a Ram. I have good feelings about him. He has basically never had a running game and only had a top 10 defense once his whole time there.

    #127531
    Cal
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    “I’m not going to sit here and beat my own drum, but I have a lot of pride in being able to be resilient, to have that as a part of my makeup. We had so many great times here, and then there were times that I did have to dig deep, be a man about it, and handle things the right way. I think I did that.”

    Ha! That’s a nice closing shot from Goff. I will definitely be rooting for him next year.

    McVay looks like a real dick after this and has moved into the territory of Jeff Fisher here for me. Even without his 7-9 Bullshit, Fisher wasn’t easy to root for.

    And, Fisher, of course, wasn’t very good at leading a winning NFL franchise. I feel like McVay is going down the same road if he feels that substituting Stafford for Goff makes the Rams a legit super bowl contender. Giving a coach too much control over personnel is always tricky. The Rams might be giving McVay too much here.

    This quote from the Peter King article and some of the rhetoric about this team as legit Super Bowl contenders from the talking heads baffles me:
    McVay said “It’s not about winning the trade. It’s about winning the Super Bowl.”

    After this trade, I’m finding it hard to root for a McVay-led team.

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    #127534
    Cal
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    Cal’s Official Ram’s Head Coach Leaders in Being a Dick

    1. Jeff Fisher–There’s no 7-9 Bullshit here. Jeff Fisher is a champ at being a dick.

    2. Sean McVay–He’s moved up the rankings as he’s moved from being a magic qb whisperer to qb mumbler (“He’s the qb mmmer…mmmmeeh..right now.”)

    3. Scott Linehan–He feuded with Ike & Torry. I’m sure there’s more that I forgot but that’s enough.

    4. Mike Martz–He’s more doofus than douche. Martz recently hired Larry Marmie as his DC in his most recent return to coaching. Shakespeare wrote King Lear during a pandemic–I googled Larry Marmie.

    5. Spags–If / when he beats Tom Brady again in the super bowl, can we begin to say it’s criminal that he hasn’t had a 2nd chance at being a head coach. The only blemish on his record is taking a job with a crap organization like the Rams organization.

    7. Dick Vermeil–The only Dick on the list was my favorite non-dick.

    #127535
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    The experience must be a gut punch to Goff.

    He emerges on the scene as the #1 pick in the NFL draft to the newly-minted Los Angeles Rams. Major, major market, complete with a freshly hit Reset button. Nowhere to go but Up, and the shy is the limit.

    After 0-7 start, a new start with a wonder boy head coach, and next thing you know, he is starting the Super Bowl.

    Moments later, this firefighter’s son signs a contract for $130 million, and is about to helm the team that occupies an astoundingly glamourous stadium in a city and league known for glamour.

    Suddenly, fissures appear all around him, and picks up the phone to learn he has been traded. To Detroit.

    Detroit, Michigan. Home of the Detroit Lions. In Detroit. It’s like Siberia, but worse. Some Siberian destinations have a bed of flowers. Lovable Losers, like the Cubs were for so long. Cleveland at least had the respectful sympathy of a nation of fans who recognized and honored their losing ways. Detroit got nada. No history, no lovable fan base, nothing. And it’s Detroit.

    Goff had been chosen. He was Homecoming King with the most beautiful girl on campus, and they had some fun together, and some good sex, and then…she dumped him for another guy with almost no warning.

    So…I feel bad for Goff. He’s gonna be lucky to win 5 or 6 games next year. Forget the playoffs. Forget prime time football games.

    He’s a decent guy as far as anyone can tell, and a decent QB, and this has to be tough.

    I don’t wish Goff ill, but I don’t wish him great success, either. It would be tough to watch him win it all if the Rams fail to win with Stafford.

    #127536
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    And, Fisher, of course, wasn’t very good at leading a winning NFL franchise. I feel like McVay is going down the same road if he feels that substituting Stafford for Goff makes the Rams a legit super bowl contender. Giving a coach too much control over personnel is always tricky. The Rams might be giving McVay too much here.

    Maybe. McVay’s future with the Rams is now bound up with Stafford’s. If the Stafford Experiment blows up, McVay will be moving out of Los Angeles.

    But… I actually like this move in this sense: it shows that Kroenke hires people, and trusts them to do their jobs. He signed up Snead and McVay, and he gives them the tools they request. Look around the league, and take a look at some franchises where the owner meddles. Look at the decades of BS endured by the Al Davis Raiders and Jerry Jones Cowboys, and so on.

    It may not work. But it was the right move. Kroenke is a businessman. McVay is a football coach. A smart businessman hires experts, and supports them.

    #127540
    Avatar photojoemad
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    He signed up Snead and McVay, and he gives them the tools they request. Look around the league, and take a look at some franchises where the owner meddles. Look at the decades of BS endured by the Al Davis Raiders and Jerry Jones Cowboys, and so on.

    Sometimes it’s OK to meddle….. Fords gave Matt Millen all the freedom in the world in Detroit.

    I think Les is in way over his head… he’s like a degenerate gambler trying to play catch up on a Monday Night Football game bet to make for his Sunday’s losses…

    He’s gambling the future on an old horse at QB when he had a more than capable QB who was combat proven to win huge games.

    BTW Jerry Jones and Al Davis have 3 SBs each and despite a recent lack of success on the field, they have the 2 best brands that the NFL has ever had…..

    Rams are in a world of shit if Stafford gets hurt behind his 40 year old left tackle.

    I think the Rams should’ve waited 1 more year with Goff to rebound from his 3-4 game slump from this season… after all , it was a COVID season…it was weird for everyone….like Goff said in the article, he’s resilient…. that showed in the NFC Championship game. I’m not sure a QB like Stafford could’ve won that game under the same circumstances, not many QBs have….

    Let’s hope that Stafford doesn’t have the same choke gene that his childhood buddy Kershaw has… it took a ******special 44 win baseball season for Kershaw to finally win.

    #127547
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    Detroit, Michigan. Home of the Detroit Lions. In Detroit. It’s like Siberia, but worse. Some Siberian destinations have a bed of flowers. Lovable Losers, like the Cubs were for so long. Cleveland at least had the respectful sympathy of a nation of fans who recognized and honored their losing ways. Detroit got nada. No history, no lovable fan base, nothing. And it’s Detroit.

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    I have all kinds of mixed feelings/thots. Too many to untangle,
    but I do like the trade and I’m glad it happened, even though,
    like all trades its impossible to say who, if anyone, will benefit.

    But as far as Goff in Detroit, in a way he’s in a good situation.
    No-one in the media expects much from him. Detroit’s fans are rolling
    their eyes about him. Detroit has been awful forever.

    He’s got a chance to be part of a rebirth, and shock a lot of people.
    I’m sure they know they need to build an OLine and a Running game.
    Maybe it happens.

    We all like Jared, it would be nice to see him rise
    like a Phoenix with the Lions.

    But i wanna see a Ram QB with a Big Gun
    for a change. I just wanna see it.

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    #127548
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    I think Les is in way over his head… he’s like a degenerate gambler trying to play catch up on a Monday Night Football game bet to make for his Sunday’s losses…

    He’s gambling the future on an old horse at QB when he had a more than capable QB who was combat proven to win huge games.
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    I just dont think any of us can ‘know’ that.
    McSnead obviously think they couldnt win a Ring with Goff.
    They could come close, but not quite get past the Chiefs, Packers, 49ers.

    Maybe they are right. We dunno.

    We will have to wait and see.

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    #127549
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    I think this trade is more on McVay than on Snead. I don’t think this was Les Snead’s idea. It was McVay’s, and Snead approved it.

    Stan wants a Super Bowl right now, and he hired McVay to do that. McVay thinks that the missing piece of the puzzle is at QB. He has undoubtedly been having ongoing conversations with Snead since before he was even hired about his system, and what he needs in the way of players, and they have been talking about Goff since the very beginning.

    McVay convinced Snead with evidence, analysis, and explanations that an upgrade at QB was the first, most important change that the Rams could make this off-season to give them the best possible chance of winning the Super Bowl next year.

    I do not think that the decision was made rashly, or recklessly, or without careful consideration of every angle on the team, and its future. Whether the plan works or not is to be seen. One thing is for sure: both McVay and Snead have staked their jobs on this trade.

    But…on meddling…both Davis and Jones had some football experience (Davis a lot;Jones less than he thinks), so they meddled. Stan is a businessman who has to be told what inning the game is in. The Rams are an investment, a Brand, and a flag planted in the middle of American consciousness. He hires the best experts he has, and defers to their judgment. That’s just smart business. If they succeed, they are going to be rewarded and if they fail, they will be replaced.

    #127550
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    i just find it hard to believe that folks think that Goff is not capable of winning a Super Bowl in LA. He was 2 dropped passes by Brandon Cooks to win it 2018.

    He and his 9 fingers pulled within 7 when his number 1 defense turned to Swiss Cheese in Wisconsin. Goff and the Rams beat the shit out of the current NFC Champion (TB) in their backyard. He’s more than capable to win…..

    He and his 9 fingers relieved Alfred E Newman (wolford) in Seattle to keep the Rams alive this season. Does any remember Wolford’s scramble prior to the one he got hurt where he slid well before the 1st down marker on 3rd down?… If Goff did that, folks would still be hammering him. Who made the decision to start Wolford over GOff that game?

    the question is, …is McVay and his gambler Les Snead GM capable? He’s a fucking choker, curled up in the Super Bowl before the coin was even tossed sucking up to Billichick like a school girl…… He didn’t prepare his team for SF last year and got eliminated.

    You can’t pin the last 2 seasons on Goff, but you can pin it on his contract that impacts the roster and draft… who fault is that?

    BTW, is anyone concerned of the current coaching exodus???? Why is that happening?

    #127554
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    i just find it hard to believe that folks think that Goff is not capable of winning a Super Bowl in LA. He was 2 dropped passes by Brandon Cooks to win it 2018.

    He and his 9 fingers pulled within 7 when his number 1 defense turned to Swiss Cheese in Wisconsin. Goff and the Rams beat the shit out of the current NFC Champion (TB) in their backyard. He’s more than capable to win…..

    He and his 9 fingers relieved Alfred E Newman (wolford) in Seattle to keep the Rams alive this season. Does any remember Wolford’s scramble prior to the one he got hurt where he slid well before the 1st down marker on 3rd down?… If Goff did that, folks would still be hammering him. Who made the decision to start Wolford over GOff that game?

    the question is, …is McVay and his gambler Les Snead GM capable? He’s a fucking choker, curled up in the Super Bowl before the coin was even tossed sucking up to Billichick like a school girl…… He didn’t prepare his team for SF last year and got eliminated.

    You can’t pin the last 2 seasons on Goff, but you can pin it on his contract that impacts the roster and draft… who fault is that?

    BTW, is anyone concerned of the current coaching exodus???? Why is that happening?

    While there are some people around who have voiced hardline dissatisfaction with Goff, I think most of us on this tiny little board sample believe that Goff IS good enough to win a Super Bowl. I do, certainly. I’d say the consensus of people whose opinions I respect is that Stafford is an upgrade over Goff. So that’s just playing percentages. Las Vegas seemed to agree that the trade improved the Rams, too, because the odds on the Rams got shorter after the trade.

    As for McVay, I think you make valid criticisms, and express valid skepticism. I think questions about him are starting to circulate, and I think the Rams insiders are going to explore what people think about those questions. McVay is now entering a more scrutinized phase of his tenure, imo. I am certainly keeping an ear out for criticism of him now. I don’t think he gets a free pass going forward.

    #127556
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    i just find it hard to believe that folks think that Goff is not capable of winning a Super Bowl in LA. He was 2 dropped passes by Brandon Cooks to win it 2018.

    He and his 9 fingers pulled within 7 when his number 1 defense turned to Swiss Cheese in Wisconsin. Goff and the Rams beat the shit out of the current NFC Champion (TB) in their backyard. He’s more than capable to win…..

    He and his 9 fingers relieved Alfred E Newman (wolford) in Seattle to keep the Rams alive this season. Does any remember Wolford’s scramble prior to the one he got hurt where he slid well before the 1st down marker on 3rd down?… If Goff did that, folks would still be hammering him. Who made the decision to start Wolford over GOff that game?

    the question is, …is McVay and his gambler Les Snead GM capable? He’s a fucking choker, curled up in the Super Bowl before the coin was even tossed sucking up to Billichick like a school girl…… He didn’t prepare his team for SF last year and got eliminated.

    You can’t pin the last 2 seasons on Goff, but you can pin it on his contract that impacts the roster and draft… who fault is that?

    BTW, is anyone concerned of the current coaching exodus???? Why is that happening?

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    Well, i said for years, Goff is good enuff to win a ring.
    So, that ‘is’ what i thot.

    But i also think two other things:
    1) Goff has made more dum mistakes this year
    than in past years. I’m talkin dum ones. Not the usual kind.
    and,
    2) McVay knows more about the QB situation than i do. So, if McV thinks
    an upgrade is needed, I kinda just go, “well alrighty then.”

    Granted, McVay may be wrong.
    Granted, Goff may win three rings in the next ten years.

    The future is unwritten 🙂

    If the Rams wanna compete with the big boys though,
    I think they still need a WR-burner, and i guess
    an upgrade at Guard.

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    #127558
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    If they succeed, they are going to be rewarded and if they fail, they will be replaced.

    “fail in the most most beautiful way.”

    hey. part of me is just like yeah. i appreciate it. i appreciate that they’re just going for it. and if it fails. then yeah. at least they went for it.

    would it have been better if they could have done it with goff? yeah. i like him. i don’t know him personally. but i just like the guy. but i liked gurley too. i would have preferred that gurley was still here. it wasn’t going to happen if he was still here.

    but if they fail, they’re gonna go out having shot their shot.

    #127559
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    The future is unwritten

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