Ex CIA agent on the Deep State

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August 30, 2017 at 4:44 pm #73493

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I havent listened to it, yet.

August 30, 2017 at 5:37 pm #73496

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Some Reps worry about the Deep State:

“… In October, Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan, once President Reagan’s speechwriter, wrote: “I have come to wonder if we don’t have what amounts to a deep state within the outer state in the U.S. — a deep state consisting of our intelligence and security agencies, which are so vast and far-flung in their efforts that they themselves don’t fully know who’s in charge and what everyone else is doing.”
fwiw:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-burnett/the-war-on-democracy-the-_b_4918553.html

August 31, 2017 at 5:31 am #73510

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August 31, 2017 at 9:40 am #73519

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My problem with that kind of view/(defense) of the CIA, is that nowhere in that recording did he say “the United States has no RIGHT to be interfering in other nations elections, etc…” He’s still a true-believer. He thinks there can be a ‘Good’ CIA.

My own view is there can never be a ‘good’ CIA in a corporate-capitalist system anymore than there can be a ‘good’ mega-corporation in a corporate-capitalist-system.

A secret, powerful, spy agency that lies to the public on a regular basis, is never gonna be a ‘good’ thing, in my view. Just my opinion. I think the CIA will always poison democracy.

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August 31, 2017 at 9:52 am #73521

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wv wrote:

My problem with that kind of view/(defense) of the CIA, is that nowhere in that recording did he say “the United States has no RIGHT to be interfering in other nations elections, etc…” He’s still a true-believer. He thinks there can be a ‘Good’ CIA.

My own view is there can never be a ‘good’ CIA in a corporate-capitalist system anymore than there can be a ‘good’ mega-corporation in a corporate-capitalist-system.

A secret, powerful, spy agency that lies to the public on a regular basis, is never gonna be a ‘good’ thing, in my view. Just my opinion. I think the CIA will always poison democracy.

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The way you feel about the CIA? I feel that way about capitalism. I see no “good” kind possible and it’s always going to be based on lies. To me, the foundation and its internal logic are profoundly immoral, irrational and unnatural and inevitably lead to horrific results — well-known, too easily dismissed or hidden from view. I also think — and this is similar to the CIA and other secret intel groups — most people in the “developed” world just don’t see its atrocities, cuz they’re not always in their backyards.

That said, what would you replace the CIA with? Because in a world with one global empire of Capital, and a wide range of monstrous ideologies seeking power or payback, you’re going to need entities capable of preventing threats from materializing. And I’m talking about threats against innocent civilians, who generally take the brunt of these attacks. What is your view regarding prevention?
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