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February 18, 2018 at 5:13 am #82852znModerator
You know, with Tru probably walking and Webster recovering from an achilles injury and surgery, as much as I would like them to insure the future by taking a left OT, it looks like they will need corners right away. That’s replacing 2 starters at CB. They also have to sign Robey-Coleman but I don’t see him as a starter (he is a good nickel though).
I have been beating a drum for LOT…but, they have no corners.
And of course Joyner is a free agent so they need to sign him too. Or they’re replacing 2 corners and a free safety.
Hill and Peterson had their moments but I don’t really know if either one is a starter.
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February 18, 2018 at 5:44 am #82854AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 18, 2018 at 9:12 am #82860wvParticipantI still go OT in the first. CB in the second.
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vFebruary 18, 2018 at 9:27 am #82861znModeratorI still go OT in the first. CB in the second.
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vRams don’t have a 2nd round pick, they traded it for Watkins.
Unless that’s what you meant.
February 18, 2018 at 2:11 pm #82870AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 18, 2018 at 4:51 pm #82875JackPMillerParticipantI’m hoping we sign Kyle Fuller or some free agent CB. Along with resigning Robey-Coleman and Joyner.
Plus there are going to be some good mid round CBs.
February 18, 2018 at 4:56 pm #82876znModeratorI’m hoping we sign Kyle Fuller or some free agent CB
What price range do you see him coming in at?
Because I doubt the Rams can sign their own guys and also afford a frontline outside free agent.
February 18, 2018 at 5:22 pm #82877JackPMillerParticipantI’m hoping we sign Kyle Fuller or some free agent CB
What price range do you see him coming in at?
Because I doubt the Rams can sign their own guys and also afford a frontline outside free agent.
3 years $18 million, $10 million guaranteed.
Of course I’m hoping we are letting go of Austin, Quinn, Barron, and Saffold. I’m hoping some team trades us a couple of second round picks for Saffold.
February 18, 2018 at 7:10 pm #82878znModeratorOf course I’m hoping we are letting go of Austin, Quinn, Barron, and Saffold. I’m hoping some team trades us a couple of second round picks for Saffold.
I can promise you Jack, that ain’t gonna happen.
They won’t trade Saffold and no one would pay that much to trade for him. And they won’t cut Saffold either.
Austin is probably gone.
Maybe they cut either Quinn or Barron but at this point, I doubt it.
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February 20, 2018 at 10:13 am #82922InvaderRamModeratorI reserve the top pick for talent. We didn’t need Donald when we took him. 3 or 4 years from now talent will matter more than position. imo
exactly. i don’t even see left tackle as particularly strong this year from what i’ve read. i think it was on a downtown rams podcast where they were speculating that left tackles would get overdrafted due to the lack of talent there.
get best player available. i’d even get vea if he was available. he’s got star written all over him.
of course i say all this without having watched ANY of these guys play so…. hehehe…
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February 21, 2018 at 9:26 pm #82964znModerator2018 Rams Mock Draft Roundup: Fourth Edition
Myles Simmons
Every team in the league is preparing to send a contingent to Indianapolis next week for the annual NFL Scouting Combine. The top prospects in the incoming rookie class will participate in medical exams, interviews, and on-field workouts as the 32 teams get to know who they may target in the 2018 NFL Draft.
And in anticipation of the festivities in Indy, analysts have continued to put out mock drafts. And as has been the case throughout the offseason so far, analysts have honed in on one position for the Rams at No. 23.
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We’ll start with Dan Kadar at SB Nation, who has a familiar pick at No. 23 in his latest mock: Iowa cornerback Josh Jackson.
“Until an edge-rusher slips or the Rams make a move on a starter at cornerback in free agency, the old familiar pick of Jackson is the choice,” Kadar writes. “If the Rams still had a second-round pick, it would be easier to look at a different position. But by the time Los Angeles picks again at No. 87, there won’t be such obvious starters.”
Over at The Athletic, Jeff Cavanaugh concurs with Kadar on Los Angeles selecting Jackson in the first round.
“In coverage and as a ballhawk Jackson is as good as anyone in this class,” Cavanaugh writes (subscription required). “His willingness to be physical as a tackler needs to be improved on.”
And ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. is also on the Jackson-to-Los Angeles train in his second mock draft.
“Los Angeles has decisions to make on free-agent cornerbacks Trumaine Johnson and Nickell Robey-Coleman and safety/corner Lamarcus Joyner, and it isn’t likely to keep them all. Cornerback is a clear need for the Rams,” Kiper writes. “Jackson burst onto the scene with eight interceptions in 2017, including three in an upset win over Ohio State. The big question about Jackson is true speed — he needs to run well at the combine to stay in the first-round discussion. He could also help out on punt returns.”
Jackson led the nation with eight interceptions in 2017, becoming an AP first-team All-American in the process. He’s listed at 6-foot-1 and 192 pounds, which gives him length and size to compete with tall receivers.
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Charles Davis of NFL Media has the Rams taking Colorado cornerback Isaiah Oliver in his first mock drafts.
“Defensive coordinator Wade Phillips’ versatility gets an added dose of secondary help with this talented CB,” Davis writes.
At the same outlet, former NFL general manager Charley Casserly concurs with the Oliver pick, citing cornerback Trumaine Johnson’s pending free agency along with a positional need.
Oliver just completed his junior season at Colorado, where he recorded 13 pass breakups and a pair of interceptions. He was a first-team All-Pac 12 honoree in 2017.
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For another familiar pick, Will Brinson of CBS Sports has L.A. choosing Ohio State cornerback Denzel Ward at No. 23.
“When you start to look at this draft and the needs for these teams, it becomes pretty clear there could be some serious talent falling because of quarterback and offensive line availability,” Brinson writes. “The Rams add another defensive piece to an already stout unit.”
Ward played extensive snaps over the last two seasons, though he was not technically a starter until 2017. After Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, and Gareon Conley all left for the pros, Ward stepped in and played well for the OSU secondary this season, recording a pair of interceptions and 15 pass breakups.
At the same outlet, Chris Trapasso has more of an unfamiliar name for the roundup — Louisville cornerback Jaire Alexander.
“Alexander likely would’ve gone in the top 15 had it not been for an injury-riddled final season at Louisville. He’s not a menacing cornerback physically but plays with outstanding quickness and tenacity when the ball is arriving,” Trapasso writes.
Alexander played in seven games in 2017, starting six, and recorded an interception, four pass breakups, and 19 tackles. He was a second-team All-ACC honoree in 2016 after tallying five picks and nine pass breakups.
Finally, for a little something different, Bleacher Report’s Mike Tainer has the Rams picking an offensive tackle for their first-round pick. In this particular mock, Tainer writes Los Angeles will select the best available athlete — Oklahoma tackle Orlando Brown Jr.
“By selecting Orlando Brown, the Rams get Andrew Whitworth’s replacement at left tackle a year early instead of waiting for the 36-year old to decline,” Tainer writes. “Brown (son of the great Browns/Ravens left tackle of the 1990s) has Jonathan Ogden-caliber measurables, ideal bloodlines and an ornery streak. He’s also the typical raw Big 12 spread-offense tackle, so it will take a year as Whitworth’s understudy before he can reliably protect Jared Goff’s blind side.”
Listed at 6-foot-8 and 360 pounds, Brown was an AP first-team All-American and All-Big 12 honoree in 2017 for his work on the Oklahoma offense. He was also Big 12 Offensive Lineman of the Year after his redshirt sophomore season in 2016.
February 22, 2018 at 9:38 am #82981snowmanParticipant“By selecting Orlando Brown, the Rams get Andrew Whitworth’s replacement at left tackle a year early instead of waiting for the 36-year old to decline,” Tainer writes. “Brown (son of the great Browns/Ravens left tackle of the 1990s) has Jonathan Ogden-caliber measurables, ideal bloodlines and an ornery streak. He’s also the typical raw Big 12 spread-offense tackle, so it will take a year as Whitworth’s understudy before he can reliably protect Jared Goff’s blind side.”
Yeah, I don’t like drafting left tackles in the first round who need to be taught how to play with your hand in the dirt. We have had bad results drafting athletic tackles who need to learn how to play in a pro style offense.
A lot of “ifs” right now with our own free agents at CB and Safety. Any signings leading up to draft day will probably clear things up.
February 22, 2018 at 1:49 pm #82982wvParticipantWell if they dont take a Tackle in the first round, i sure as hell hope they find a solid tackle in free agency. Cause if not, they are just playin with fire.
What are the odds Whitworth is ok for 16 more games? ESPECIALLY LATE in the Year when hes been banged up and worn down — ya know — around playoff time.w
vFebruary 25, 2018 at 9:30 am #83143znModeratorDeadpool wrote:
at CB you have Peters and Hill and no one else. NR-C and Tru are FAs and Webster may never be right again. And even if he is, it isn’t week 1.
IMO, there isn’t a LT worth the pick @23 (assuming they still have #23) unless you want to draft 1 and replace Havs with the thought of grooming him to replace Whit in a few years.
Same story with TE. Its a tough position to walk into in year 1 and be a stud and secondly, my top rated TE is a 2nd rounder. Trade back into the 2nd, then sure look at a TE.
I think the top 2 DTs (NTs) are gone, so unless you want to draft Taven Bryan to be a DE and move Brockers back to nose, the DL is off the table.
Quinn is coming back if you believe the reports that said no to including him in the Peters trade. So they could still use a OLB opposite Quinn, but I’m not sure the value is there. I think the value is better for an edge rusher in rounds 3 and 4 then at the end of round 1.
ILB? Only if they cut Barron. SO for no I would say no.
QB or WR or RB? No. Even if TA is cut and Watkins is gone via FA, I am not drafting a WR in round 1.
S – not with JJ3 or Joyner (he is not escaping LA unlike Snake Plissken)
That leaves CB and possibly a C/G like Billy Price.
A CB like Mike Hughes makes perfect sense. Hughes is a natural press guy. He is an aggressive corner. He is a little raw, but is extremely athletic. He fits as a press corner with ball skills, but too raw to step in right away as a true #1. Peters gives him a chance to grow for a few years ad when (I mean if) Peters doesn’t work out, he hopefully slides in to the top spot. Jackson is a press guy, he needs to get stronger though.I also think Oliver is better on man then off, but I am still not convinced he is a 1st round CB. I am still looking him over.
I am a firm believer in BPA. I also know there is no such thing as true BPA. You have to have a need for the guy or whats the point. To me the biggest needs are CB, NT, Edge, OL depth (esp LT and OC) and maybe some TE help. They absolutely do not need S, DE, QB, RB and WR. I have been on record saying I do not believe any TE is worth the 23rd pick, so remove them. There are holes in every OT prospect, so unless you go RT to start I don’t see them being the pick.
That leaves me this list:
CBs – Ward, Jackson, Hughes, Alexander and Oliver
OC/OG – Billy Price (I have no idea why he is so under rated)
Edge – Key, Landry, Armstrong and maybe Hubbard – the combine will sort these guys out (at least for me it will)February 25, 2018 at 10:33 am #83147wvParticipantWell if they dont pick an LT, and Whitworth goes down what will they do?
I suppose move Saffold to LT and scrounge for a guard to replace Saffold.
Maybe it works, i dunno.
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vFebruary 25, 2018 at 11:27 am #83149znModeratorWell if they dont pick an LT, and Whitworth goes down what will they do?
I suppose move Saffold to LT and scrounge for a guard to replace Saffold.
Maybe it works, i dunno.
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vI agree, it’s an issue.
But then if there’s no one at 23 worthy of being considered a solid LOT, then, there’s no one at 23. Not a lot can be done about that.
But, it’s still early, I don;t really know yet what/who will be worth the pick at 23. Maybe there is a left OT there.
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February 27, 2018 at 9:46 pm #83247znModeratorWith Marcus Peters on board, Rams have flexibility at combine
Alden Gonzalez
A closer look at the positions the Los Angeles Rams could target at the NFL combine next week in Indianapolis:
Positions of need: The Rams altered the complexion of their entire offseason on Friday, when they sent this year’s fourth-round pick and next year’s second-round pick to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for shutdown cornerback Marcus Peters. Before this move, the Rams seemed very likely to draft a cornerback with the No. 23 overall pick in this year’s draft. It was that big a need. Now, as they descend on Indianapolis for this week’s combine, they have the flexibility to basically go in whichever direction they choose.
They can look for edge rushers, or run stuffers for the interior, or offensive linemen to groom. Or they can keep their focus on the secondary, where plenty of holes remain. Peters enters as the Rams’ primary cornerback, but their No. 2 man, Kayvon Webster, is recovering from the ruptured Achilles tendon he suffered in December, and their slot guy, Nickell Robey-Coleman, is an unrestricted free agent. Behind them, there isn’t a whole lot of depth. Still, though, the Rams now have the benefit of targeting overall talent as opposed to specific positions.
Three players the Rams should focus on at the combine:
Marcus Davenport, DE, UT San Antonio: This draft isn’t necessarily strong on edge rushers, but Davenport is one of few exceptions. The question is whether he can fall to the bottom half of the first round. Davenport didn’t wow at the Senior Bowl and is still a little bit raw. But he is a quick-twitch, 6-foot-6, 255-pound athlete who is reportedly most comfortable as a stand-up rusher in a 3-4 defense. He still needs time to develop, but Wade Phillips is the perfect guy to mold him.
Billy Price, G/C, Ohio State: ESPN’s Todd McShay has Price going to the Rams in each of his first two mock drafts, which might mean they find their long-term solution at center. A four-year starter for the Buckeyes, Price would be ready to play immediately. He won the Rimington Trophy as the nation’s top center and was a unanimous first-team All-American in 2017, before spending the previous three seasons excelling at guard. Listed at 6-4, 312 pounds, Price is strong, explosive and intelligent. But there are reported concerns about his personality, and the Rams could get some answers.
Josh Jackson, CB, Iowa: Jackson was linked to the Rams in Mel Kiper Jr.’s latest mock draft. Jackson finally got a chance to start for the Hawkeyes in 2017 and made a name for himself, leading the nation with eight interceptions and 28 disrupted dropbacks. He has everything you want in a lockdown corner — 6-1 with length, great ball skills and a strong work ethic. But he has had only one season as a full-time defensive player. Teams like the Rams need a closer look.
February 28, 2018 at 7:19 pm #83290znModeratorMayock Sees Depth In First-Round Defensive Talent
Kristen Lago
Throughout the 2017 offseason, much of the Rams’ focus centered around improving the club’s offense. Through free agency and the draft, Los Angeles bolstered its offensive line and provided quarterback Jared Goff with a slew of new weapons at receiver.
But after an impressive campaign that saw the club go from last to first in the league in scoring, the 2018 offseason will bring a new set of challenges to L.A.
Los Angeles currently holds the 23rd overall pick in the first round of this spring’s NFL Draft. And the majority of analysts in mock drafts are thinking the Rams will select a defensive player. After transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defensive scheme under coordinator Wade Phillips, moving forward the Rams will look to continue fine-tuning their system.
Fortunately, there are plenty of talented defensive prospects that will showcase their skills at the NFL Combine this week — with the NFL Network’s Mike Mayock projecting as many as 12 potential first rounders.
“I think the interior defensive line at the high end is outstanding,” Mayock said. “I think at least four are going to go — Washington’s Vita Vea, Alabama’s Da’Ron Payne, Michigan’s Maurice Hurst, and Florida’s Taven Bryan.”
All four combined for 166 tackles and 14.5 sacks in 2017, but they are not alone in their ability to rush the passer.
“The off-the-ball linebackers are really good this year,” Mayock continued. “Virginia Tech’s Tremaine Edmunds, Georgia’s Roquan Smith, Boise State’s Leighton Vander Esch, and Alabama’s Rashaan Evans. I think those four have the chance to go as off-the-ball linebackers. Typically, there’s only two off-the-ball linebackers, so that would be a big year.”
Rounding out the top selection of prospects are the cornerbacks, who are still a bit of a mystery for Mayock. Mayock expects Ohio State cornerback Denzel Ward — who finished the year with 37 tackles, two interceptions, and 15 pass breakups — to be selected first in his position group. But Mayock said he is still figuring out where everyone else should be projected.
“Iowa’s Josh Jackson, Central Florida’s Mike Hughes, Colorado’s Isaiah Oliver, Louisville’s Jaire Alexander, [and] Carlton Davis from Auburn. I mean, there are six guys there,” he said. “I think at least four of them are going to go in the first round.”[
March 4, 2018 at 6:08 pm #83461znModeratorWhat do Snead, McVay Look for in Combine Interviews?
Myles Simmons
INDIANAPOLIS — The public-facing portions of the NFL Combine are important. The 32 teams all notice how the incoming rookies address the media, and the on-field testing can make a difference.
But what happens behind the scenes can sometimes leave the most significant impression.
That’s especially for the top 60 interviews. Each team may select up to 60 of the 300-plus players in Indianapolis for a chance to get to know them in a more intimate setting — a hotel room at the Crown Plaza, Indianapolis. All 32 franchises have a room for these meetings. It’s not the biggest room, so the individual player will meet with select team officials. And these meetings occur at night, often going from around six to 11 p.m.
However, these interviews last only 15 minutes.
“Fifteen minutes — who’s an expert in 15 minutes?” Rams general manager Les Snead joked in an interview with therams.com on Sunday morning. “We always laugh about that.”
Still, Snead, head coach Sean McVay, and the rest of Los Angeles’ staff assembled in Indianapolis do their best to get the most out of that time.
“What we try to do is — hey, let’s talk football,” Snead said. “If we’ve got any hard questions to ask, we’ll do that at another time, in another setting, another environment. But let’s talk football. And a lot of times it’s geared toward sitting down and doing what we do — put on their college film.”
“I think the first thing is, it’s all about football. And I think you want to be able to assess their ability to communicate what’s going on,” McVay said. “So we’ll have tape involved in those meetings — might be some good plays, might be some bad plays. And you want to see how they’re able to echo and articulate what their role, what their responsibility is within the framework of that individual play. And then see if they can take some accountability if there is a play where maybe they could’ve done better.”
According to McVay, the accountability aspect of the conversations can be particularly important in an evaluation because L.A. is trying to assemble a team of players with strong football character.
“I think that ownership is something that some guys naturally possess, and others might not do that,” McVay said. “But we’re looking for guys who do take that accountably, that ownership, and aren’t afraid to be coached, because we’re just trying to help guys reach their highest potential. But if you can’t be receptive to what you might be able to do better, then that’s a concerning thing. And, fortunately, that hasn’t really been the case with the guys we’ve talked to. It’s been a pleasant experience with all the guys we’ve brought in so far.”
Going back to last year, wide receiver Cooper Kupp was one player whose interview stood out to McVay. The head coach has said a number of times since L.A. drafted the former Eastern Washington standout how well he came across in those 15 minutes.
“It was pretty quick that you realize this guy’s different,” McVay said. “When you meet him, you look at the way he was able to play in the Senior Bowl, and then obviously the consistent production he had throughout the course of his career. So it was kind of a combination of all those things. But specifically in the meeting, just his command and his overall presence and ability to communicate the game and what was going on on his tape. You could see that he was a special person and that he has a special understanding of the game.”
With the Combine being such an important part of the pre-draft process, many of the incoming rookies have done a lot of preparation for these interviews. Sometimes, that can make the prospect come across a bit rehearsed. Both McVay and Snead have found that the best way to cut through that exterior and really get to know the player — as best as one can in 15 minutes — is through watching film.
“Everybody’s going to come here intentional and prepared — as they should be, it’s an important interview. But you try to take that guard down. Not necessarily for them to make a mistake, but just to get the real personality,” Snead said. “I think once you get about three or four plays in, if you’ve got a scripted answer, you’ve run out. And then you get to get those guys more comfortable.”
“Just like when we’re coaching players, our philosophy isn’t to try to create an uncomfortable atmosphere,” McVay said. “Certainly you like to stress guys, but not in a manner where you like to be negative. But it’s just about seeing how they handle their ability to look at the game of football. And then it kind of demonstrates how willing they are to be coached as well.”
And with players going through so many different interviews in such a short amount of time, the Rams do have an appreciation for the toll the process likely takes on each individual.
“I give them credit,” Snead said. “You think about it, depending on your background, where you’re from, your personality introverted or extroverted — you might have 15, 16 interviews, or maybe even more. And you go back to back, and then all of a sudden you’re sitting in a chair and there’s [Patriots head coach Bill] Belichick staring at you. Or in another room there’s [Hall of Fame quarterback and Broncos EVP of football operations] John Elway staring at you.
“And you just feel for the kids, you’re like, ‘You know what, this is pretty impressive that each one of those guys can come here and get through this,’” Snead added, “because I know that’s got to be tough.”
March 5, 2018 at 4:56 pm #83500znModeratorDeadpool wrote:
Some combine notes and thoughts
Im in the middle of a blizzard and am finishing up the combine. So I thought I would share some thoughts before Im busy digging out.
I will update with the CBs after I am finished with them. But some early winners were:
Josh Jackson running a 4.49
Jaire Alexander @ 5′-10″ 196 lbs running a 4.38 (i thought he was smaller then that)
Carlton Davis running a 4.53 (he still plays slower then that)
Fitzpatrick running a 4.46 @ 6′ 205 was very good.
Oliver @ 6′ 200 4.51 was good.
Justin Reid – 4.40 at 6′ 207 was nice
Davontae Harris measured and ran very wellSome CB losers early on:
Kam Kelly was slow 4.66
Tarvarus McFadden – showed why he had a bad year – 4.67 was not good. he’s losing money every day.
Kevin Tolliver didn’t run but he has the arm length of a 5′-9″ CB not 6′-2″…Maybe only interesting to me?As far as possible Rams targets:
OL:
Kolton Miller – LT – UCLA – He had himself a weekend. Tested out of his mind and looked smooth in drills. He was one of the guys I needed to see more of and I came away impressed. His sub 5 40 with a 6′-9″ 310 lb frame with a 1.67 10 yard split was impressive. 24 reps @ 6′-9″ showed strength and his 34″ arms are good for a LT.
Braden Smith OG – Auburn – as a middle round guard had a good weekend. Tested well but looked real smooth in drills.
James Daniels – OC – Iowa – looked very good in drills. With Price’s injury, he should be the top drafted OC.
Billy Price – OC – Ohio State – torn pec, will be ready by training camp, drops into the 2nd round IMO
Mike McGlinchy – LT – ND – Did what he needed to do IMO to remain in the 1st round.
Orlando Brown – fat, slow and was actually yelled at for lack of effort. RT only and I wouldn’t touch him until late day 2.LB:
Sam Hubbard – Let me get him out the way first. I just don’t see him as a standup OLB in a 3-4. Maybe in a run support roll like Barwin, but he isn’t getting home. I like him as a 4-3 DE like a poor man’s Chris Long.
Harold Landry – he measured in just fine and looked as smooth as anyone in drills. I was concerned about his size, he answered those questions. I like him as a top Rams target now that the Rams need an edge rusher.
Marcus Davenport – I think he is too raw to go top 10, but he is athletic as all get out and looked smooth in drills. I think he would work as a 3-4 Edge.
Dorance Armstrong – slower 40 time, but looked good in drills – I think a 2nd rounder.
Leighton Vander Esch – New leader in the clubhouse at ILB, unless you count Tremaine Edmunds ( I would) He was impressive in drills.
Roquan Smith – I think he ends up being a 4-3 Will or a 3-4 ILB. A tad undersized @ 6′-1″ 235.
Rashaad Evans – See Smith, Roquan. He was as good in drills as any LBer. Solidified a 1st round grade IMO.
Josh Sweat – man did he perform, makes you wonder why he was so pedestrian at FSU doesn’t it. – Day 2 pick.
Lorenzo Carter – He was lights out and I thought he was a 2nd to early 3rd round pick. I he did nothing to change that.
Josey jewell – Can be had in the 3rd or 4th round (so 3rd for the Rams)
Shaquem Griffin – Not a Rams target, but some 4-3 team is gonna get a heck of a 4-3 will. 1 note, his 4.38 was impressive, but you have to remember whose record he broke – Jon Alston, so 40 times re not everything.
Arden Key – measured in well, I am still leary of him.DL:
Vita Vea – tweaked hammy – no big deal. Top DT/NT in draft.
Da’Ron Payne – He was an animal out there with a sub 5 40 and looked great in drills.
Taven Bryan – Another outstanding combine performance. I liked late in the 1st. I said it before, if you want to move Brockers back inside, he is your DE.
Tim Settle – had a rough weekend. 3rd or 4th round steal.
Harrison Phillips – I had him higher on my top 5 pre-combine board then anyone. He justified his position. looked very good.
Breeland Speaks – He made some money IMO. Scheme flexible. 3-4 DE later day 2.TE:
Mike Gesicki – has me rethinking my position of Goedert as the top TE (not really) but he closed the gap. He’s a 2 round TE.
Hayden Hurst – also solidified his 2nd round status.
Mark Andrews – I like him – late 2nd early 3rd. had a decent showing.
Durham Smythe – Slowest TE that ran and short broad jump. Rough weekend. Day 3 for sure.RBs – If the Rams are serious about a RB – there should be a good one drop to them later in the draft. One guy that could provide a nice change of pace was Chase Edmonds – 5′-9″ 205 lbs – looked really athletic in the position drills. Caught the ball really well.
As I have repeated over and over – I do not get to gaga on the combine. I use it as a tool inmy toolbox. Its there to reinforce what I think I have seen or makes me go back and take a second look at someone, or makes me look at someone I overlooked.
March 8, 2018 at 3:58 am #83633znModeratorJust something on how it’s harder to draft linemen nowadays
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from: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/08/free-agency-players-teams-league-trend-mmqb-notebook
ALBERT BREER
I think the Rams’ success in signing Andrew Whitworth to a three-year, $36 million deal last year, at 35 years old, is helping Patriots free-agent LT Nate Solder build a market. Solder is easily the top left tackle on the market, and could provide a quick-fix answer for the Broncos or Texans in an era when there are few sure-thing offensive linemen coming out of college.
March 8, 2018 at 6:39 am #83635InvaderRamModeratorKolton Miller – LT – UCLA – He had himself a weekend. Tested out of his mind and looked smooth in drills. He was one of the guys I needed to see more of and I came away impressed. His sub 5 40 with a 6′-9″ 310 lb frame with a 1.67 10 yard split was impressive. 24 reps @ 6′-9″ showed strength and his 34″ arms are good for a LT.
i read or heard somewhere that miller was the victim of bad coaching at ucla. even then he looked pretty good. but in the right circumstance this guy could flourish.
this guy has it all as far as athleticism and length.
it should also be noted that last year was only his first at left. his previous two seasons were at right which also might explain some of his inconsistency.
i’d be so tempted to draft him if he was available at 23.
March 8, 2018 at 4:44 pm #83662snowmanParticipantJust something on how it’s harder to draft linemen nowadays
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from: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/08/free-agency-players-teams-league-trend-mmqb-notebook
ALBERT BREER
I think the Rams’ success in signing Andrew Whitworth to a three-year, $36 million deal last year, at 35 years old, is helping Patriots free-agent LT Nate Solder build a market. Solder is easily the top left tackle on the market, and could provide a quick-fix answer for the Broncos or Texans in an era when there are few sure-thing offensive linemen coming out of college.
Wait, what? I thought we signed Whitworth to a two-year deal.
March 8, 2018 at 8:20 pm #83667JackPMillerParticipantI could critique this, but I know Orlando Brown fell all the way to the late 5th round if lucky.
Deadpool
Some combine notes and thoughts
Im in the middle of a blizzard and am finishing up the combine. So I thought I would share some thoughts before Im busy digging out.
I will update with the CBs after I am finished with them. But some early winners were:
Josh Jackson running a 4.49
Jaire Alexander @ 5′-10″ 196 lbs running a 4.38 (i thought he was smaller then that)
Carlton Davis running a 4.53 (he still plays slower then that)
Fitzpatrick running a 4.46 @ 6′ 205 was very good.
Oliver @ 6′ 200 4.51 was good.
Justin Reid – 4.40 at 6′ 207 was nice
Davontae Harris measured and ran very wellSome CB losers early on:
Kam Kelly was slow 4.66
Tarvarus McFadden – showed why he had a bad year – 4.67 was not good. he’s losing money every day.
Kevin Tolliver didn’t run but he has the arm length of a 5′-9″ CB not 6′-2″…Maybe only interesting to me?As far as possible Rams targets:
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Kolton Miller – LT – UCLA – He had himself a weekend. Tested out of his mind and looked smooth in drills. He was one of the guys I needed to see more of and I came away impressed. His sub 5 40 with a 6′-9″ 310 lb frame with a 1.67 10 yard split was impressive. 24 reps @ 6′-9″ showed strength and his 34″ arms are good for a LT.
Braden Smith OG – Auburn – as a middle round guard had a good weekend. Tested well but looked real smooth in drills.
James Daniels – OC – Iowa – looked very good in drills. With Price’s injury, he should be the top drafted OC.
Billy Price – OC – Ohio State – torn pec, will be ready by training camp, drops into the 2nd round IMO
Mike McGlinchy – LT – ND – Did what he needed to do IMO to remain in the 1st round.
Orlando Brown – fat, slow and was actually yelled at for lack of effort. RT only and I wouldn’t touch him until late day 2.LB:
Sam Hubbard – Let me get him out the way first. I just don’t see him as a standup OLB in a 3-4. Maybe in a run support roll like Barwin, but he isn’t getting home. I like him as a 4-3 DE like a poor man’s Chris Long.
Harold Landry – he measured in just fine and looked as smooth as anyone in drills. I was concerned about his size, he answered those questions. I like him as a top Rams target now that the Rams need an edge rusher.
Marcus Davenport – I think he is too raw to go top 10, but he is athletic as all get out and looked smooth in drills. I think he would work as a 3-4 Edge.
Dorance Armstrong – slower 40 time, but looked good in drills – I think a 2nd rounder.
Leighton Vander Esch – New leader in the clubhouse at ILB, unless you count Tremaine Edmunds ( I would) He was impressive in drills.
Roquan Smith – I think he ends up being a 4-3 Will or a 3-4 ILB. A tad undersized @ 6′-1″ 235.
Rashaad Evans – See Smith, Roquan. He was as good in drills as any LBer. Solidified a 1st round grade IMO.
Josh Sweat – man did he perform, makes you wonder why he was so pedestrian at FSU doesn’t it. – Day 2 pick.
Lorenzo Carter – He was lights out and I thought he was a 2nd to early 3rd round pick. I he did nothing to change that.
Josey jewell – Can be had in the 3rd or 4th round (so 3rd for the Rams)
Shaquem Griffin – Not a Rams target, but some 4-3 team is gonna get a heck of a 4-3 will. 1 note, his 4.38 was impressive, but you have to remember whose record he broke – Jon Alston, so 40 times re not everything.
Arden Key – measured in well, I am still leary of him.DL:
Vita Vea – tweaked hammy – no big deal. Top DT/NT in draft.
Da’Ron Payne – He was an animal out there with a sub 5 40 and looked great in drills.
Taven Bryan – Another outstanding combine performance. I liked late in the 1st. I said it before, if you want to move Brockers back inside, he is your DE.
Tim Settle – had a rough weekend. 3rd or 4th round steal.
Harrison Phillips – I had him higher on my top 5 pre-combine board then anyone. He justified his position. looked very good.
Breeland Speaks – He made some money IMO. Scheme flexible. 3-4 DE later day 2.TE:
Mike Gesicki – has me rethinking my position of Goedert as the top TE (not really) but he closed the gap. He’s a 2 round TE.
Hayden Hurst – also solidified his 2nd round status.
Mark Andrews – I like him – late 2nd early 3rd. had a decent showing.
Durham Smythe – Slowest TE that ran and short broad jump. Rough weekend. Day 3 for sure.RBs – If the Rams are serious about a RB – there should be a good one drop to them later in the draft. One guy that could provide a nice change of pace was Chase Edmonds – 5′-9″ 205 lbs – looked really athletic in the position drills. Caught the ball really well.
As I have repeated over and over – I do not get to gaga on the combine. I use it as a tool inmy toolbox. Its there to reinforce what I think I have seen or makes me go back and take a second look at someone, or makes me look at someone I overlooked.
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