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  • #69284
    sanbagger
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    Also, signing bonuses are typically paid out in full at the front end of the contract. Teams would rather not do that. They prefer to spread it out. Andy benoit has some good stuff in various podcasts about how contracts are seen and negotiated

    Signing bonuses are typically paid in full at the time of signing as part of the guaranteed moneies, but they usually spread it out over the duration of the contract to minimize the cap hit.

    From what I have read he absolutely can receive a signing bonus when getting an extension and it can be prorated…see the Terrel Suggs extension. The way to stay out of Cap purgatory is to avoid prorating, but it is necessary evil and just about every contract I have looked at has this…the Rams do this but front load as much guaranteed money as possible.

    I missed the part of your post about his asking price earlier in this thread…due to I checked last night before hittin the sack…saw it just now so I’m gonna check that out.

    I agree 75 mil guaranteed is way too high but it all comes down to percentage

    #69285
    sanbagger
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    . I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson

    TruJo has signed his tender offer making that money fully guaranteed…unless he fails to maintain his excellent physical condition…that is the only out.

    Teams can rescind a franchise tag up till the player signs it.

    #69286
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    . I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson

    TruJo has signed his tender offer making that money fully guaranteed…unless he fails to maintain his excellent physical condition…that is the only out.

    Teams can rescind a franchise tag up till the player signs it.

    Maybe they can do a deal? If not, it is only one year. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #69288
    sanbagger
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    . I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson

    TruJo has signed his tender offer making that money fully guaranteed…unless he fails to maintain his excellent physical condition…that is the only out.

    Teams can rescind a franchise tag up till the player signs it.

    Maybe they can do a deal? If not, it is only one year.

    I think that’s the plan….but then again, perhaps they are waiting to see how much the AD contract is gonna strap them before moving forward with TruJo.

    This could easily be a 1 and done deal for him IMO.

    #69289
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    This could easily be a 1 and done deal for him IMO.

    SB–as you know, whereas a lot of boards have fancy bells and whistles, ours is an old-fashioned steam engine board. Therefore it has a quirk or 2.

    There’s the “quoting ag” quirk. You can’t just hit “quote” with ag because then it spills all sorts of code all over the place, and then mods clean it up. (That’s because of the blue font.)

    To quote ag, just use your cursor to blue out what you want to quote, and THEN hit quote. It does it without the spilled code guts.

    It’s this:

    Maybe they can do a deal? If not, it is only one year.

    v. this:

    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Maybe they can do a deal? If not, it is only one year. ;/span>

    Thanks for indulging me on that. Here, it;s the community that counts, and we figure that community is well worth the exorbitant weekly fees.

    #69291
    sanbagger
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    SB–as you know, whereas a lot of boards have fancy bells and whistles, ours is an old-fashioned steam engine board. Therefore it has a quirk or 2

    Yea…my fault…I knew it as soon as I posted, then I ran and hid…lol.

    Thanks for cleaning up my mess.

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    #69324
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    https://www.downtownrams.com/single-post/2017/05/23/The-time-has-finally-come-to-pay-Aaron-Donald-what-he-rightfully-deserves

    The time has finally come to pay Aaron Donald what he rightfully deserves

    May 23, 2017

    | By: Jake Ellenbogen

    The first day of Rams OTAs is in the books, but the fact the Rams were on the field all together for the first time including all of the rookies wasn’t the big headline however. It actually was the Rams elite interior defensive lineman Aaron Donald who was a no-show at OTAs.

    Donald appears to be holding out of OTAs with an impending contract negotiation under way. The Rams picked up Donald’s fifth-year option, but it appears as though Donald has no interest in playing under that, and wants to be signed long-term. Can you really blame the player that was passed on by 12 teams including the one that picked him in the first round because of his undersized label? Donald was passed on for the likes of Jadeveon Clowney, Blake Bortles, Greg Robinson, Anthony Barr, Khalil Mack, Eric Ebron and Odell Beckham Jr. Donald has proven everyone who passed up on him wrong and now it’s time for him to receive that contract extension that is ever-so-rewarding for a transcendent player like Donald.

    When asked about why Donald missed OTAs, Sean McVay said it was an internal and non-injury related matter. Les Snead finally came out and told us all just what we speculated originally as soon as we heard the news. Donald and the Rams were in serious contract negotiations. It remains to be seen how long the Rams versus Donald saga goes on til, but he did mention them being in ‘serious’ discussions.

    Some fans and analysts have actually pitched the idea of trading Aaron Donald, but that is just incomprehensible for me to even pay much attention to. Donald, in my honest opinion, could retire as the greatest defensive lineman of all time. He just is unblock-able, he has a nonstop motor, passion, love for the game and he is an excellent character on and off the field. Any team would be lucky to call Donald their face of the franchise and the lucky team happens to be the Rams.

    It may or may not be fair to say, but this team needs to get a deal done with Donald because they haven’t been able to do that in the past with the majority of their better players, most notably: Janoris Jenkins, Rodney McLeod and Trumaine Johnson. It doesn’t matter now what has happened in the past, all that matters is that the Rams give Donald his contract as soon as possible.

    The Rams drafted Aaron Donald with their second of two picks in the first round of the 2014 NFL draft. Ever since then Donald has been a godsend for a struggling franchise. Donald has accumulated 164 tackles, 28 sacks and four forced fumbles at defensive tackle. He has picked up accolades such as Defensive Rookie of the Year, three Pro Bowls and was even named two first-team All-Pro. All while playing on a four-year, 10.13 million dollar rookie contract. The Rams have definitely received their bang for their buck and now it is time to pay back Donald.

    It’s important to first realize Donald has not missed an NFL game yet, he averages more than a half of a sack per game, two and a half solo tackles per game, almost three stops per game and and three quarterback pressures a game. Spotrac puts his market value at 6 years. $109,903,154 million which averages out at $18,317,192 annually. Now take a look at how Donald stacks up against top notch peers.

    They class him as a defensive tackle. He should really be the best defensive player. They don’t figure Suh in their market value. I am not sure that they figure Salary Cap inflation, either. So, I am going with $20 million per year.

    Obviously these numbers shouldn’t surprise anyone who has seen Donald in action. According to Spotrac, Donald is projected to become the second highest paid defensive lineman in all of football only behind Ndamukong Suh. Now, in my honest and humble opinion, I think Spotrac is going to be wrong. Aaron Donald will sign a contract in some capacity that will make him the highest paid defensive lineman in the NFL.

    What are your thoughts Rams fans? Do you think Donald should be the high paid player at his position? Let us know!

    Agamemnon

    #69458
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    Editorial note: although I know & am friends with this poster, his view is one I don’t agree with, so that’s not why I am posting it. I am posting it because it’s a view that’s “out there” and so part of the discussion.

    Rampage2K- wrote:

    The Rams have him locked up for the next two years at a very reasonable price ($1.8 mil 2017 and $6.8 mil 2018) and could franchise tag him for two more years if need be.

    Essentially the Rams have him controlled for the next 4 years without breaking the bank and hold all the leverage.

    I’m all for locking him up for life, but unless he wants to sign at a discount I’d be in no rush to dump a truck load of money on him anytime soon.

    #69460
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    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/29/nfl-memorial-day-notes-peter-king-richard-sherman-seahawks

    Peter King

    I think Aaron Donald will have a new contract with the Rams by opening day. They’re going to pay their best player.

    I think players should attend off-season organized team workouts, but when they don’t, I’d remind people that they’re voluntary. And yes, they’re good for chemistry and for things like getting quarterbacks and wideouts on the same page.

    But I’ve never heard one losing coach in December or January stand in front of the press and say: “If we only had John Doe at those workouts in shorts in May, we’d have made more plays today.”

    #69461
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Yeah, let’s just make it a game of chicken. Where at least one person loses if not both. Or we can make a deal and find an option where both people gain. The Rams do ultimately hold the advantage if Donald plays for the Rams. But in practice, the player can force a trade. What the deal is, is what Donald gets paid over the next 2 years. Added to that is the security of knowning both sides have a longer term commitment. The Rams don’t get to have it both ways. Because there are other teams that will pay Donald if they won’t. imo

    Agamemnon

    #69467
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    Plenty of time for the Los Angeles Rams and Aaron Donald to reach an agreement

    By Gary Klein

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-aaron-donald-20170529-story.html%5B/quote%5D

    An oversized yellow dump truck served as a backdrop for photographers, dwarfing Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald.

    It was November, and the Rams were celebrating the groundbreaking for their planned $2.6-billion stadium in Inglewood. Donald was there to stick a ceremonial shovel in the ground for a complex that was not scheduled to open until 2019.

    A reporter asked Donald, on his way to earning Pro Bowl recognition for the third time in three NFL seasons, if he would be playing for the Rams under a new contract when the stadium opened.

    “We going to see,” Donald said. “Right now, we’re worried about 2016 and 2017, and we’ve got some games to win now in the Coliseum.”

    At that point, the Rams had won one game at the Coliseum. They did not win another.

    But in a 4-12 season with few bright spots, Donald remained a beacon, one of the most disruptive defensive players in the NFL.

    Now, with quarterback Jared Goff coming off a shaky rookie season and running back Todd Gurley trying to rebound from a sophomore slump, Donald is the team’s lone verifiable star.

    And Donald, his representatives and the Rams know it.

    General manager Les Snead went on record in March, saying that Donald was “sitting pretty right now,” that he deserved a raise and that an extension was coming.

    “Whether he gets a raise or not,” Snead said, “he’s going to show up, do the things he does.”

    Maybe he will this summer — if the Rams make Donald one of the NFL’s highest-paid defensive players.

    Donald attended voluntary offseason workouts and an April minicamp but was absent from the first week of voluntary organized team activities last week. Snead acknowledged that it was because of the contract situation. The second week of workouts begins Tuesday.

    Donald, the 13th pick in the 2014 draft, is due to earn a paltry-by-standards-of-performance $1.8 million in salary and $1.4 million in bonuses this season. The Rams in April exercised their fifth-year option, putting Donald, 26, in line to earn about $6.9 million in 2018. But that move was regarded as a formality to give the two sides time to negotiate an extension.

    The Rams are not required to do so. They could put the franchise tag on Donald after the 2018, 2019 and, conceivably, 2020 seasons. But that is an expensive and probably impractical way for a franchise to treat its star player.

    So, at this point there is no reason for Rams fans to fret about Donald’s absence. Training camp is about nine weeks away.

    And while some veterans might feign an injury to avoid OTA workouts, this is no vacation scheme for Donald. He is a player who loathes missing workouts and loves preparing with teammates.

    New defensive coordinator Wade Phillips is installing a 3-4 defensive scheme, but he was not expected to tinker much with a tackle that has produced 28 sacks, eight last season. Phillips has worked with several hall of fame players. He will let Donald do what Donald does best, whenever he returns.

    Linebacker Von Miller of the Denver Broncos and linemen Ndamukong Suh of the Miami Dolphins and Fletcher Cox of the Philadelphia Eagles established new salary standards for defensive players in the last two years.

    But Donald’s contract impasse, in terms of service time, most closely resembles that of Houston Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt.

    In 2014, on the eve of his fourth NFL season, Watt signed a six-year, $100-million extension, $51.8 million guaranteed.

    The next year, after Suh’s fifth NFL season with the Detroit Lions, the Dolphins gave the free agent a six-year, $114.3-million deal with $60 million guaranteed.

    Last June, before his fifth season, the Eagles gave Cox a six-year, $102.6-million extension, $63.3 million of it guaranteed.

    A month later, Miller raised the bar. Coming off a Super Bowl MVP performance in his fifth pro season, he earned a six-year, $114.5-million contract with $70 million guaranteed.

    Donald and Cox both are represented by agent Todd France of CAA. So Donald’s scenario might mirror that of Cox, who sat out OTAs last year but reported for a mandatory minicamp — avoiding a fine of more than $70,000 — before reaching his deal about 10 days later.

    The Rams are scheduled to hold a mandatory minicamp June 13-15 before taking a six-week break.

    Will Donald be there?

    The Rams are becoming accustomed to changing timelines. The completion date for their new stadium has been pushed back to 2020.

    That also could coincide with an organizational rebranding, including new uniforms.

    Expect a much wealthier Donald to be wearing one.

    #69503
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    #69507
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    Vincent Bonsignore @DailyNewsVinny
    Hearing there could be an update on Aaron Donald and #Rams contract situation today

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