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June 30, 2014 at 3:14 pm #272znModerator
2 different views of Austin.
1 = a Football Outsiders article
2 = regular Rams posters just discussing Austin
My view? The article forgets to account for the context, and as a result does not see improvement in Austin. It’s a typical mistake in a lot of national pubs. You average all the numbers together and never account for a context.
Yet you get something out of reading both sets of pieces.
Enjoy
===========================Factors: Tavon Austin
by Rivers McCownhttp://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/factors-tavon-austin
Tavon Austin became the fourth player since 1960 to have a 60+-yard receiving touchdown, a 60+-yard rushing touchdown, and a 60+-yard punt return touchdown all in the same season.
I hate tidbits like that. They’re the empty filler that litters PR sheets. Any way a player can possibly stand out is documented, then that bit of knowledge is ejected into the world for us to see how rare the player is. Did you know that last year, Kellen Clemens became the first Rams backup quarterback with a 2:1 touchdown-to-interception ratio since T.J. Rubley? No, you didn’t. Because I made it up. Because it has little to do with how the player actually played.
The element of Tavon Austin’s season you probably heard about was that Brian Schottenheimer had problems working him into the game plan. That’s a neat way of dressing up Austin while maintaining his rarity. “Well, he’s just such a unique player. It takes time to figure out how to use those guys correctly.”
But Schottenheimer’s problems using Austin mostly came about because Austin actually wasn’t very good last season. Schottenheimer did him no favors, and the quarterbacks played poorly, but Austin has to own some of his own problems. For a guy who left approximately 829 Big 12 defenders on the ground in 2012, Austin sure didn’t have much to offer in space as a rookie.
And that, more than anything, is why his numbers were poor. That’s why the -19.8% DVOA was tagged on him. Because he was rare, but also rarely a functional weapon.
The method
I looked at where Austin lined up before each snap. I gave an educated guess on whether he was facing man or zone coverage, as well as one for the type of route he ran. This can be hard to tell at times, and I still don’t think my eye for film matches up with the best in the industry, but I did my best. I don’t come into this looking to make sweeping conclusions based on the data we use. In fact, I don’t come into this column looking to have a final say on anything.
The target totals listed below don’t quite match the total listed on our wideout stats page. This is because we did not consider certain plays, including:
Hail Mary attempts
Clear throwaways by an under-pressure Sam Bradford or Kellen Clemens
Balls tipped at the line of scrimmage
Targets listing Austin as the primary receiver in which a defender hit the quarterback during his throwing motionHere are my observations:
“Behind the line of scrimmage” includes passes that traveled less than one yard. “Short” indicates passes that traveled between 1-15 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. “Deep” indicates passes that traveled 16 or more yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Red numbers show a Success Rate of 50 percent or higher. Black numbers show a Success Rate between 40-49 percent, and blue numbers show a Success Rate of 39 percent or lower.
Success Rate is defined as the percentage of receptions where the player gains 45% of needed yards on first down, 60% of needed yards on second down, or 100% of needed yards on third or fourth down. Some of these numbers may look “off” at times because pass interference plays are incomplete passes that are “successful.”
1. Screen, smoke, suck
So here’s this first-round slot receiver the Rams invested the No. 9 overall pick on. You would think maybe he’d be shifty enough to actually garner a missed tackle or two on some screens.
Instead, Austin seemed almost utterly preoccupied with how fast he could put his foot in the ground and get upfield. It is true that Austin’s speed is world-class — that stood out even on these failed screens. But Austin was not powerful enough to take a hit while shifting his weight, nor does he have the balance to re-establish himself on glancing blows of the NFL caliber.
The result was that the Rams had an 18 percent Success Rate on screen passes to their jitterbug receiver. Did Schottenheimer have some involvement in this? Sure. His screen designs were either completely base or so agonizingly complicated that you’d think he found them in Ulysses.
But the main problem the Rams had with these plays last year was that Austin had no ability to make anyone miss in open space. After watching some college tape, I don’t think he completely lacks this ability. But I do think he never properly adjusted to the NFL’s speed and tackling, and I do wonder how coaching may have contributed to that.
WHERE AUSTIN LINED UP ON HIS TARGETS
“Slot” plays include all plays in which a receiver was inside of another receiver, regardless of how tight to the line he was. (For tight ends, if they are lined up at the LOS, they are counted as inline.) Some plays in the charting project include two or three “slot receivers” by this definition.
2. Yet another pun about depth
The other important element that Austin’s speed was supposed to add to the Rams offense was a deep threat that could stretch the field. Except on deep balls, Austin could muster only a 36 percent Success Rate. And one of those four successes was a pass interference call that went his way.
As usual when it comes to these players that haven’t seen many NFL snaps, I’ll turn the floor over to Matt Waldman’s 2013 RSP to show us something prescient:
Unlike McCluster, Austin has been targeted more often in the deep game and he makes good plays with his back to the football when he gets separation from coverage.
This is where I think a better comparison of Austin’s skills is former Browns runner-turned Falcons receiver, Eric Metcalf, a player I heard Jon Gruden mention on a telecast.
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Similar to Metcalf, Austin’s his top-end speed on deep routes isn’t as impressive on the field because he can get shoved off course by defensive backs fighting for position. While a faster athlete than Davone Bess he’s neither as skilled as Bess nor as athletic as Steve Smith when it comes to making plays in tight coverage 15 yards past the line of scrimmage.
Indeed, this was the case on most of Austin’s deep targets. Cornerbacks found him easy to push around downfield, and the few times Austin won the ball deep, he usually found himself wide open due to a blown assignment. (Of course, he also torched Vontae Davis once.) With a small guy who has to win separation to get a good shot at the ball, your quarterback can’t rely on him coming back over the top to get the ball. It takes an almost perfect ball to get it there.
And yeah, the Rams employed Sam Bradford and Kellen Clemens last year.
AUSTIN VERSUS MAN, AUSTIN VERSUS ZONE
AUSTIN’S ROUTES
Obviously we don’t have the actual play calls. These charts are educated guesses and should not be considered gospel.
3. Banana peels for hands
Austin was targeted on 71 balls last season. I threw four of them completely out of the sample as they were uncatchable due to reasons beyond Austin’s control.
We listed Austin with six drops on those other 67 balls. And I think our charters were more than a little kind on a few others that were close.
To give credit to Austin, he was being used as a more conventional weapon. His routes weren’t flawless, but they were a clear step up from how he was used in college. He had a lot to work on in this area, and it’s okay that he didn’t nail it all in his first season. He even started showing some hesitation and double moves down the stretch.
But this year was an utter waste. He especially struggled to catch low balls, high balls, balls that hit him in the hands, balls behind him, and balls ahead of him. It’s almost impossible to be an effective underneath receiver when you’re letting that many balls hit the ground.
4. Shaking out the unshakeable
If you happened to watch the NBA Draft on Thursday night, you watched the continuation of the Philadelphia 76ers’ plan to create assets and not worry about winning now. Not coming over from Europe for a few years? Awesome. Broken bone in your foot? No worries! The Sixers know they won’t win next season even if they hit on the most NBA-ready of players in the draft, and are willing to create a team full of long-term assets.
I bring this up because this is what the St. Louis Rams receiver depth chart looks like to me. The Rams have five different NFL receivers who were drafted before the fourth round, and a worthy reclamation project in Kenny Britt. Without going through all of them, one-by-one, I don’t know how much credit or blame to assign them. They’re working with a quarterback who I think will be released or traded after the season. They’re working in a system that seeks to establish the run first. There doesn’t seem to be any sort of established pecking order. The Rams seem like they could have a good receiving corps if they just let it happen, but instead they have a field full of long-term assets.
How does Austin fit in? I can’t imagine that he’ll be much more versatile than he was last season. If he can work on his balance and improve his elusiveness, he has a chance to work out as a Randall Cobb-type player. Based on what I saw of him last season, my first impression is that Austin is Ace Sanders with more speed and worse hands.
Tavon Austin’s NFL tombstone has yet to be written. But after one year, the verdict shows that he’s too unique to be effective
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NJRAM
When it comes to using Austin, it is not all on Shotty especially when there is written proof that TA struggled with the playbook
He and the Rams have said this that he had a tough time like most rookies understanding where to be and where to go so Shotty kept it quite simple for him so he did not have to think too much in the 1st half of the year, then he got a bit more comfortable and they were able to add some more plays to his rotation. Hopefully this year he will have it all down and the Rams will be able to call any play for him and he will be able to run it w/o thinking and just reacting
CoachO
[Austin had to learn] different WR positions, the RB position, all the ST schemes, etc. There wasn;t another player who bounced around from unit to unit in one practice than Austin.
Not to mention the FACT that there is and always will be a learning curve for any Coaching staff in determining how much they can expect individual players to digest. As much as each player develops on their own pace, it can take the coaching staff a fair amount of time to learn how to maximize each individual’s talents, and how to be put them into positions to succeed.
Learning to play a position at this level isn’t about learning a few plays. …..it’s about understanding responsibilities in the system. I see way too often people mistake this sort of thing for learning to run a few HS level plays, and saying go get em. It’s not that simple.
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June 30, 2014 at 6:21 pm #283wvParticipant======================
Laram — on TavonHere’s the thing about Tavon…
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I think the Rams were surprised by two things. First let me say that every team in the NFL and college run bubble screens, or “stop routes” as they’re so affectionately called here.CP avg 10.7 ypc on bubble screens. (passes thrown behind the los)
Tavon Austin on bubble screens avg 2.7 ypc.
Here’s my point.
The Rams were surprised at how poor the edge blocking was (Cook), and how poorly Austin’s short area quickness was from a standing start.
He obviously was not going to break any tackles, and he simply was not making the first guy miss. Size matters especially in traffic, so its imperative that you create space by making the first guy miss.
This is exactly the reason I do not blame the OC or the coaches period, in the way they used him early.
I was astonished by it myself looking at the screen and seeing the first guy take him down.
Tavon himself said that the NFL was harder than he imagined, and I really don’t think enough of you are taking these factors into consideration.
It was a feeling out process for everybody.
- This reply was modified 10 years, 5 months ago by wv.
June 30, 2014 at 6:26 pm #285wvParticipantI dont agree with La that Tavon has ‘poor short area quickness from a standing start.’
Unless La means Tavon just looked dazed and confused. Cause thats how he looked
to me — he looked like he wasnt sure what to do when he got the ball
and was surrounded by defenders. He just looked like he was ‘thinking’
a lot to me. Unsure of what to do. Looked like a ‘mental’ issue
to me, not a ‘lack of quickness from a standing start.’Who knows though.
If it ‘was’ ‘mental’ then we’ll see a big improvement in year two, i
would assume.One thing Tavon has always liked to do is to — just stand still. And wait. Until defenders
are right on him, and then ‘whoosh’ off he goes. That seems like a kind of instinct of his.
If he’s not sure what to do, he…waits. That worked in college, and it works in the pros
on kick returns, but it dont work on bubble screens when you are surrounded.w
vJuly 1, 2014 at 1:44 pm #399rflParticipantI’ll just say this.
Tavon had trouble in traffic making people miss and creating space.
Whether that’s because his quickness was exaggerated or he wasn’t up to speed or whatever, I dunno.
But I saw him fail to escape LBs and other defenders that he “should have” beaten like drums if he were as advertised.
I don’t despair of him or call him a bust. It seems plausible to me that, as he says, he was overthinking things and not playing at the speed he needs to. I also love his heart and competitiveness.
But, UNLESS he speeds up and shows more elusiveness than he did last year, he will have to be utilized in a scheme that gives him space to work with. SO far, he isn’t creating it himself.
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July 1, 2014 at 8:49 pm #463InvaderRamModeratorwhen they got the ball to austin on the move, he was devastating. as a receiver. in the backfield. when he was moving and had time to scan the field, he made guys look silly. so maybe they need to get him the ball on the move. getting the ball to him on screens when he’s standing still. he’s not big enough to break tackles. and this league is too quick for him to out quick people from a stand still. but get him the ball while he’s moving. i think he’s shown he’s got great vision to get some big yards.
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