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October 29, 2021 at 3:14 pm #133441znModerator
Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
The #Rams and WR DeSean Jackson have mutually agreed to seek a trade partner, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. The 34-year-old can still run, averaging 27.6 yards per catch this year, including a 75-yard TD.Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
– Rams are not having an issue creating explosive plays, ranking first in the NFL in explosive pass-play rate (20.6%) with 4 WRS, including Jackson, averaging 10-plus YPC and 3 WRs (Kupp, Woods, Jefferson) with 20-plus catches avging 12-plus YPC. ADOT at 9-plus yards for eachA couple of important things to keep in mind on Jackson:
– His contract is heavily incentivized in part based on snap counts and the Rams are clearly opening up every deal they can (and offloading, too) as they try to create money.
October 29, 2021 at 6:12 pm #133445canadaramParticipantI make very little effort in trying to understand the inner workings of the salary cap so forgive me if this question reflects my high level of ignorance, but if the Rams had traded Young during the off-season and never signed Jackson could they have kept John Johnson or Troy Hill?
This week has left me a little disappointed in how the Rams conduct business. I’m old enough to remember how Goff’s departure went down as well. I can’t remember a time when another playoff contender went through similar circumstances.
EDIT: BTW, I might blow a gasket if the Rams lose an ILB and/or a WR to injury anytime soon.
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October 29, 2021 at 7:07 pm #133447HramParticipantFascinating, I figured they were just trying to keep him healthy for the playoffs.
October 29, 2021 at 11:17 pm #133454znModeratorRich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
It’s not that the Rams made a mistake by signing a quality No. 3/4 WR. It’s about resource allocation on a cap-ceiling team. The Rams splurged on DeSean/Tutu when there seemed to be holes elsewhere, and that has borne itself out. And now a few people are unsatisfied.October 30, 2021 at 10:04 am #133458znModeratorMost 60+ yard TDs — #NFL history
1. DeSean Jackson — 26
2. Jerry Rice — 23
3. Devin Hester — 21
4. Bobby Mitchell — 20
5. Lance Alworth — 19Some team will be getting a (still) very explosive player. #Rams #RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/VnJgLH4Kli
— Jeff Kerr (@JeffKerrCBS) October 29, 2021
October 30, 2021 at 10:26 am #133459ZooeyModeratorRich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
It’s not that the Rams made a mistake by signing a quality No. 3/4 WR. It’s about resource allocation on a cap-ceiling team. The Rams splurged on DeSean/Tutu when there seemed to be holes elsewhere, and that has borne itself out. And now a few people are unsatisfied.Okay, but if Jackson was getting 3 or 4 receptions a game, this wouldn’t be an issue. The fact is that Josh Reynolds got used more last year than Jackson is getting used this year. So…the question is why?
What my eyeballs are telling me is that what the Rams (McVay) thought they needed most on offense this year (and many of us agreed) was the ability to stretch the defense vertically, a major deficiency of the final stage of the Goff era. Since Cooks left, Goff’s passes were concentrated around the line of scrimmage. Very long handoffs.
So they got somebody who could be a deep threat…only…turns out, that wasn’t much of a problem after all. With Stafford, the Rams offense immediately found the entire repertoire of throws, particularly the mid-range stuff that is the bread and butter of modern offenses, and suddenly the Rams were stretching the field from their base offense. Jackson became a Boom button on a speaker. Sure…it boosts the bass sound, or whatever, but it doesn’t reaaalllly make that much difference. They are fine without him.
I was hoping to see the Rams use him more because I happen to like it when the Rams score from 70-yards out, but if they could get an immediate contributor for him, I’d take it because he does seem to be expendable. I’ll be pissed if they trade him for a 7th rounder pick, but if they can get an actual return for him, I’ll take it.
Here are possible trade partners as speculated by CBS Sports’ Bryan DeArdo:
Green Bay Packers
Green Bay just suffered the loss of tight end Robert Tonyan, so the Packers may be in the market for a new receiver to help offset that loss. The Packers went out and signed Randall Cobb at Aaron Rodgers’ request this offseason, so it’s not unreasonable to think that they would do the same with Jackson if Rodgers makes a similar request.Kansas City Chiefs
The Chiefs have plenty of weapons, but Andy Reid may jump on the chance to reunite with Jackson, his top receiver for several seasons in Philadelphia. Jackson would also help replace Sammy Watkins as a reliable, veteran receiver for quarterback Patrick Mahomes.Indianapolis Colts
With T.Y. Hilton’s injury situation, it would make sense for the Colts to try to make an upgrade at the receiver position. It would also pair Jackson with another former Eagles Pro Bowl performer in quarterback Carson Wentz.Baltimore Ravens
Even with the offseason addition of Watkins, the Ravens could use another wideout opposite Watkins, Marquise Brown and Devin Duvernay. The trade would certainly be embraced by Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, who has enjoyed a strong start to the 2021 season.The entire article is here, if you want it:
Jackson Landing SpotsI would not trade him to the Packers. No chance.
October 30, 2021 at 11:35 am #133460canadaramParticipantRich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
It’s not that the Rams made a mistake by signing a quality No. 3/4 WR. It’s about resource allocation on a cap-ceiling team. The Rams splurged on DeSean/Tutu when there seemed to be holes elsewhere, and that has borne itself out. And now a few people are unsatisfied.I’ll be pissed if they trade him for a 7th rounder pick, but if they can get an actual return for him, I’ll take it.
I’m guessing that it might even be Jackson and a swap of late round picks, like the Young trade. Unless there is a line up of teams wanting Jackson, but it seems like the Rams might be motivated sellers here.
Either way, I am annoyed by this week’s developments with the Rams.
October 30, 2021 at 12:34 pm #133461ZooeyModeratorI’m guessing that it might even be Jackson and a swap of late round picks, like the Young trade. Unless there is a line up of teams wanting Jackson, but it seems like the Rams might be motivated sellers here.
I’m frequently baffled by the return on trades, and guess it’s because, as a homer, I place more value on players than the market does.
But I’d rather keep Jackson than give him away. If Kupp goes out for a few weeks, better to have Jackson pick up playing time than Atwell. I understand they aren’t going to get a pick better than Day 3 for a guy his age and who is a FA, but he is an asset, and can make another team better. He ought to fetch a depth player. I mean…a depth player for a depth player. Sounds reasonable to me.
October 30, 2021 at 1:06 pm #133463canadaramParticipantI’m frequently baffled by the return on trades, and guess it’s because, as a homer, I place more value on players than the market does.
But I’d rather keep Jackson than give him away. If Kupp goes out for a few weeks, better to have Jackson pick up playing time than Atwell. I understand they aren’t going to get a pick better than Day 3 for a guy his age and who is a FA, but he is an asset, and can make another team better. He ought to fetch a depth player. I mean…a depth player for a depth player. Sounds reasonable to me.
Keeping him seems like the far better option to me as well. A receiver is bound to get injured at some point. I hope teams aren’t just waiting for the Rams to just release him.
October 30, 2021 at 7:26 pm #133468wvParticipantHe’s Kupp insurance.
And i expect Kupp to break at some point.
Its a mistake to trade him, imho.w
vOctober 30, 2021 at 8:50 pm #133469znModeratorHe’s Kupp insurance.
And i expect Kupp to break at some point.
Its a mistake to trade him, imho.w
vWell then trade Kupp for Jackson. Problem solved right there.
October 30, 2021 at 11:00 pm #133474AgamemnonParticipantOctober 31, 2021 at 1:00 am #133475RamsMaineiacKeymasterI am most annoyed that Jackson couldn’t suck it up for another 10 games. That is a terrible lack of resilience. A more mature professional would have just collected a paycheck, moved on at the end of the season, and not created this self-gratifying drama. That a player cannot even honor a one year deal is ridiculous.
October 31, 2021 at 3:33 am #133476znModeratorLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
The Rams WR situation quickly goes from a crowded room to one that has little margin for injury:WR Cooper Kupp
WR Robert Woods
WR Van JeffersonWR Tutu Atwell – McVay gave a rare player criticism this week saying Atwell needed more urgency
WR DeSean Jackson – Seeking trade
October 31, 2021 at 10:02 am #133477canadaramParticipantLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
The Rams WR situation quickly goes from a crowded room to one that has little margin for injury:WR Cooper Kupp
WR Robert Woods
WR Van JeffersonWR Tutu Atwell – McVay gave a rare player criticism this week saying Atwell needed more urgency
WR DeSean Jackson – Seeking trade
Assuming the trade happens and no outside receiver is brought in, I wonder if Jacob Harris is ready to be utilized more. I didn’t expect much from him as a rookie, but this trade might force him into action as well.
EDIT: I know that Harris is listed as a TE, but the Rams might find themselves short on pass catchers soon.
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October 31, 2021 at 6:58 pm #133500znModeratorJPA Football@jpafootball
Report: #Rams might cut DeSean Jackson if they fail to trade him before the deadline, per @RapSheetOctober 31, 2021 at 7:07 pm #133501canadaramParticipantJPA Football@jpafootball
Report: #Rams might cut DeSean Jackson if they fail to trade him before the deadline, per @RapSheetMy biggest fear about this whole situation. Both he and the Rams must be quite displeased with each other. Worst case scenario is to have to face him in the playoffs or in a crucial late season game.
October 31, 2021 at 11:47 pm #133505znModeratorDeSean Jackson fallout and what happens next
A situation that had been escalating behind the scenes came to a head late last week, as McVay confirmed that Jackson and the team had agreed to allow Jackson to pursue a trade. Jackson, signed by the Rams in March to help add more deep layers to the passing game after the team traded for Stafford, has been frustrated with his playing time and targets (he has been targeted 15 times, catching eight with one touchdown). Jackson, who has incentives in his existing contract that escalate his pay based on active games (seven) and snaps (he needs 51 percent for an escalator; he has played about 23 percent of snaps), a source told me at the time of his signing, previously lobbied McVay for more targets just a few weeks ago.
I don’t know if a team will trade for Jackson. He’s healthy right now, which is important, and his contract, especially now that seven games of it have been paid out, is certainly not a roadblock for most teams that might want to add him, especially if they believe they’ll make a playoff run down the stretch. I could even see him being a part of a trade package put together by the Rams, who we can never fully rule out being active ahead of Tuesday’s deadline (more on that shortly).
But if they find no willing partner for Jackson, I can’t see them bringing him back into the fold and believe, in that scenario, he would be released. Kupp and Woods were gracious and respectful in their comments on Jackson after Friday’s practice, and said the de-escalating situation between Jackson and the team had not really been an issue in the locker room and if he were to ultimately return to the team, they’d be fine with it. Yet how could he return, in light of his expressed unhappiness just a few months after he celebrated returning to his Los Angeles hometown, in hopes of winning a ring with a Super Bowl contender? Not only did the Rams enter into Sunday’s game with a league-leading 20.6 percent explosive pass play rate (of which they are attaining both via catch-and-run plays such as screens, and through the air), they are achieving this with three different receivers not named Jackson, who all averaged more than 12 yards per catch, with 20-plus catches, through seven weeks (with an average depth of target, ADOT, of nine or more yards — this is important). The Rams also entered the week first in offensive EPA, according to TruMedia, and that number certainly won’t drop after their high-volume performance against Houston. And I’m certainly not naïve to the fact that McVay went well out of his way in his opening comments in Sunday’s postgame press conference to name-drop Jefferson’s 68-yard touchdown, a deep air-yards explosive if I ever saw one, especially notable in light of this situation.
Jackson’s Hall of Fame-caliber speed and threatening ability against defenses is, of course, extremely valuable — and the Rams have been vocal about his historic accomplishments and ability. But let’s not kid ourselves here: The Rams are still getting the ball the hell downfield without him, and even without needing him as a decoy. As illustrated in detail in this piece on Stafford from last week, the things that used to be most problematic for this offense simply are not anymore, at least so far.
Don’t conflate that statement with the idea that they don’t still want a top-end true-speed player. To be clear: That always helps. Fourth-round tight end/hybrid player Jacob Harris should take this situation, and Atwell’s shoulder injury, as a clear signal to him to step up in his own development. Harris is clearly still pretty raw, although possesses all the explosive gifts of a player who the team also hopes to develop into a downfield threat, but he’s getting penalized too much right now and has to clean up his game.
Meanwhile, Skowronek, the rookie receiver taken in the seventh round, got some time through the second half of Sunday’s game. While McVay probably won’t send him on true deep concepts, Skowronek’s effort alongside former practice-squad tight end Kendall Blanton in helping block on Woods’ second touchdown, and then his noted usage as the “over” player and Stafford’s target on an over-under concept that went for 18 yards (swapping with Kupp on a bit of design eye-candy, because Kupp played the under where he’s often the over) indicates that he’s also a player to keep an eye on. Again, he probably wouldn’t be a go-to on those deeper concepts, but any sort of presence underneath can help unlock other guys over the top.
November 2, 2021 at 3:17 pm #133585JackPMillerParticipantDJax to the Raiders? Just a thought
Raiders WR Henry Ruggs III will be charged with DUI resulting in death after his involvement in a fatal car crash this morning in Las Vegas. He was treated for non-life-threatening injuries. pic.twitter.com/QqFEbZ89pb
— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) November 2, 2021
November 2, 2021 at 5:15 pm #133588znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
DeSean Jackson posted a farewell message to the team on InstagramHe’ll be subject to waivers tomorrow
Rams release DeSean Jackson. https://t.co/sjKARY9O75
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) November 2, 2021
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