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October 9, 2022 at 10:28 am #141072
znModeratorBeat up offense against a top front 7.
October 9, 2022 at 7:39 pm #141074
JackPMillerParticipantI think this team will not be making the playoffs. The Olinemen that are out,, have had durability issues for years, but we were able to overcome them. The only one still up, for now, is Noteboom, but an injury will come soon. This team misses Robert Woods. Allen Robinson sucks.
October 9, 2022 at 8:03 pm #141076
joemadParticipantRams have Panthers, bye, Niners, Bucs, Cards, Saints and KC next…
If Stafford stays healthy they will be 7-4 at the start of Dec.
these losses to Dal and SF were winnable even with a porous line against very good defenses….
October 9, 2022 at 8:07 pm #141077
Billy_TParticipantIt’s probably a consensus among fans that the O-line is the issue. But I think Stafford is a problem, too. His passes lack zip. They flutter. And, yeah, Robinson is a bad fit. I thought he’d help them a lot more than he has. Wrong guy, wrong team. He’s a jump ball guy, and the Rams need someone who creates separation instead. Stafford isn’t accurate enough on his own to have it come down to just those jump balls. Even with the great gain by Kupp today, it was all Kupp, on a poorly thrown pass.
Akers, IMO, is not an NFL back any longer. He’s still not recovered, and may never be. Henderson is the much better player. Not that other teams would want them, but if the Rams could get something in trade for Akers and/or Robinson, I’d go for it before the deadline. Preferably O-line help this year, but picks, if not.
Rams do not look like a playoff team at all at this point. All of those trades have caught up with them. Counting far too much on late picks and UDFAs has caught up with them. Not enough depth to weather an injury storm. Cliches R Us, but their strategy of putting all of their eggs in a coupla baskets did yield a Super Bowl, but it may well lead to limbo for several years afterward.
Those of us who have followed the Rams for a long time . . . well, we may be in for a very rough stretch in the next few years. Been there, done that, etc.
October 9, 2022 at 8:22 pm #141078JackPMillerParticipantIt’s probably a consensus among fans that the O-line is the issue. But I think Stafford is a problem, too. His passes lack zip. They flutter. And, yeah, Robinson is a bad fit. I thought he’d help them a lot more than he has. Wrong guy, wrong team. He’s a jump ball guy, and the Rams need someone who creates separation instead. Stafford isn’t accurate enough on his own to have it come down to just those jump balls. Even with the great gain by Kupp today, it was all Kupp, on a poorly thrown pass. Akers, IMO, is not an NFL back any longer. He’s still not recovered, and may never be. Henderson is the much better player. Not that other teams would want them, but if the Rams could get something in trade for Akers and/or Robinson, I’d go for it before the deadline. Preferably O-line help this year, but picks, if not. Rams do not look like a playoff team at all at this point. All of those trades have caught up with them. Counting far too much on late picks and UDFAs has caught up with them. Not enough depth to weather an injury storm. Cliches R Us, but their strategy of putting all of their eggs in a coupla baskets did yield a Super Bowl, but it may well lead to limbo for several years afterward. Those of us who have followed the Rams for a long time . . . well, we may be in for a very rough stretch in the next few years. Been there, done that, etc.
There is a good chance, that Aaron Donald may retire after this season. Plus, what if Matt Stafford retires. I believe we should start thinking of a rebuild, if things don’t change, and see if we can get draft picks for players.
October 9, 2022 at 9:51 pm #141079znModeratorThis is all the effects of a massively injured OL. 3 centers and 5 guards in 5 games and then playing 2 top front 7s.
No team we have ever seen is 8 deep on the interior OL and can afford to lose all 3 starters there in a short span of games (plus Bruss who got injured in the preseason).
Presumably they will get healthy on the line. They won’t always be playing top front 7s.
What we’re seeing with Stafford is a qb under pressure. That’s what pressure does. I remember when the Rams OL got armageddon nuked in 2007. A lot of people concluded the problem was Bulger. No that’s what happens to qbs behind OLs that are banged up that extensively. I can think of only a very tiny handful of qbs from the last several years who continued to play well behind massively injured OLs.
October 9, 2022 at 10:11 pm #141082Billy_TParticipantInjuries happen to every team. Recent articles on league averages show the Rams at about the middle of the pack, and their injuries haven’t been to the team “stars,” unlike other teams. They haven’t lost their key guys. But because they’ve relied on late round picks and UDFA signings to fill out the rest of the roster, even with starting O-line guys, they’re extra susceptible to major downgrades when injuries do happen.
When was the last time the Rams invested high picks in the O-line? When was the last time they HAD high picks?
There is no way it can’t come back to bite them, and it would have been crazy to think the Rams could keep mortgaging the future and never have to pay for it.
To me, it’s just bad chess playing, for far too many years. Trading draft capital for rentals, or near-rentals — Watkins, Cook, etc. Asking far, far too little for players they trade to others, like Woods, Ogletree, Young. As in, in general, the Rams pay far too much for players, and receive far too little for players they trade away.
It’s also problematic, IMO, to rely so heavily on late picks cuz they tend to develop later, and when they finally are good enough to start, the Rams cut them loose and say, “Next man up!!” But, the next men up are late rounders or UDFAs who are later rounders in large part because they’re not ready to start early in their careers.
The cycle would catch up to any team.
I love that they won it all last year. But I think they’ve been playing the F the Draft game for far too long, and I’m far from the only person who thinks that.
As always, hope they prove me waaay wrong.
October 9, 2022 at 10:59 pm #141084
HramParticipantMust get healthy on the Oline.
October 9, 2022 at 11:45 pm #141085znModeratorInjuries happen to every team
But it is not common for entire units to be compromised by extensive injuries, and when that does happen, the unit in question drops in performance and brings other units down with it. So if you have massive, extensive injuries to the secondary, your defense suffers. With the OL, your offense suffers. That’s the key: massive, extensive injuries to a key unit.
It has nothing to do with late picks. It doesn’t matter how you get the players if they all get injured. For example, no OL in the league is deep enough to handle starting 5 different OL combinations in 5 games, including the entire interior OL getting replaced (Rams have started 3 centers and 5 guards and that’s not even counting Bruss, who got injured in the pre-season). No one is that deep. Not a single NFL line is that deep.
There is no correlation between the round you’re picked in and whether or not you get injured. Heck looking back across the years and counting only 1st and 2nd round picks, there were times when all of the following missed several games and sometimes whole seasons because of injury: Harrah, France, Pankey, Gandy, Brostek, Pace, Saffold, and Brostek.
Massive and extensive (simultaneous) injuries to OLs always have a bad effect on offenses.
McVay’s best years correspond with very healthy OLs. 2017, 2018, 2021.
October 10, 2022 at 12:28 am #141086JackPMillerParticipantInjuries happen to every team
But it is not common for entire units to be compromised by extensive injuries, and when that does happen, the unit in question drops in performance and brings other units down with it. So if you have massive, extensive injuries to the secondary, your defense suffers. With the OL, your offense suffers. That’s the key: massive, extensive injuries to a key unit. It has nothing to do with late picks. It doesn’t matter how you get the players if they all get injured. For example, no OL in the league is deep enough to handle starting 5 different OL combinations in 5 games, including the entire interior OL getting replaced (Rams have started 3 centers and 5 guards and that’s not even counting Bruss, who got injured in the pre-season). No one is that deep. Not a single NFL line is that deep. There is no correlation between the round you’re picked in and whether or not you get injured. Heck looking back across the years and counting only 1st and 2nd round picks, there were times when all of the following missed several games and sometimes whole seasons because of injury: Harrah, France, Pankey, Gandy, Brostek, Pace, Saffold, and Brostek. Massive and extensive (simultaneous) injuries to OLs always have a bad effect on offenses. McVay’s best years correspond with very healthy OLs. 2017, 2018, 2021.
If you look at some of the guys that are out on our OLine, they have not been able to stay healthy. In other words, durability issues. It won’t be long, before, Joseph Noteboom, misses time. Again, that is based on his history.
October 10, 2022 at 12:49 am #141087znModeratorIf you look at some of the guys that are out on our OLine, they have not been able to stay healthy. In other words, durability issues. It won’t be long, before, Joseph Noteboom, misses time. Again, that is based on his history.
You mean Allen? Who after Allen has a history of injuries? Shelton? Anchrum? Edwards? Jackson?
Noteboom was injured in 2019. If I remember correctly, he missed 1 game in 2021.
October 10, 2022 at 1:13 am #141093
canadaramParticipantOvercoming the injuries on the line seems like an impossible ask. Even so, it appears that beyond Kupp there are no weapons on offense.
Yes, I’m aware of the hypocrisy of what I am saying. How can we know that the Rams lack weapons when the play of the offense line is so dreadful? It’s just hunch, I suppose. I don’t see the return of Van Jefferson as something that will fix things either. I do miss Robert Woods though.
October 10, 2022 at 2:17 am #141096JackPMillerParticipantIf you look at some of the guys that are out on our OLine, they have not been able to stay healthy. In other words, durability issues. It won’t be long, before, Joseph Noteboom, misses time. Again, that is based on his history.
You mean Allen? Who after Allen has a history of injuries? Shelton? Anchrum? Edwards? Jackson? Noteboom was injured in 2019. If I remember correctly, he missed 1 game in 2021.
Noteboom missed time in 2020,as well. Edwards has had some issues, as well,. I know he missed a couple of games, last year. We will have to make a decision on Rob Havenstein, he is an Unrestricted Free Agent, after this season. I assume, he’s gone. AJ Jackson, is going to take over the RT duties.
October 10, 2022 at 7:25 am #141098znModeratorIf you look at some of the guys that are out on our OLine, they have not been able to stay healthy. In other words, durability issues. It won’t be long, before, Joseph Noteboom, misses time. Again, that is based on his history.
You mean Allen? Who after Allen has a history of injuries? Shelton? Anchrum? Edwards? Jackson? Noteboom was injured in 2019. If I remember correctly, he missed 1 game in 2021.
Noteboom missed time in 2020,as well. Edwards has had some issues, as well,. I know he missed a couple of games, last year. We will have to make a decision on Rob Havenstein, he is an Unrestricted Free Agent, after this season. I assume, he’s gone. AJ Jackson, is going to take over the RT duties.
I haven’t looked too hard, but Edwards is listed as playing all 17 games in 2021 plus all 4 playoff games. He missed 2 games in 2020 (the first 2).
October 10, 2022 at 10:41 am #141102
nittany ramModeratorO-line is the obvious issue. That’s not getting fixed this season though.
Also lack speed at WR. That gets fixed when Jefferson comes back and if/when OBJ resigns.
They also need better talent at RB. Henderson is ok, but he’s not starting material. Akers is horrible in pass protection and couldn’t find a hole if you handed him some sort of state-of-the-art, hole-finding device or whatnot.
Stafford might be hurt a little too.
October 10, 2022 at 9:17 pm #141119
wvParticipantOline. I got nuthin other than the obvious. Oline.
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October 11, 2022 at 5:09 pm #141126
ZooeyModeratorShoot, we’ll fix this.
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