Chomsky "Bernie would have won"

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  • May 24, 2017 at 9:12 pm #69264
    Zooey
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    May 26, 2017 at 4:55 pm #69367
    waterfield
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    I’m not sure about that. Clinton won the popular vote but lost the electoral because of 3 important states: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Because of the rust belt factor with loss of jobs, etc I don’t think Sanders message would have appealed to those people. He would have won the same states as Clinton and maybe by wider margins but that would not have mattered.

    May 26, 2017 at 5:18 pm #69371
    zn
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    waterfield wrote:

    I’m not sure about that. Clinton won the popular vote but lost the electoral because of 3 important states: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Because of the rust belt factor with loss of jobs, etc I don’t think Sanders message would have appealed to those people. He would have won the same states as Clinton and maybe by wider margins but that would not have mattered.

    Sanders would have beaten Trump, according to the poll numbers…and that includes in the states you name.

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    May 26, 2017 at 6:47 pm #69374
    waterfield
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    zn wrote:
    waterfield wrote:

    I’m not sure about that. Clinton won the popular vote but lost the electoral because of 3 important states: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Because of the rust belt factor with loss of jobs, etc I don’t think Sanders message would have appealed to those people. He would have won the same states as Clinton and maybe by wider margins but that would not have mattered.

    Sanders would have beaten Trump, according to the poll numbers…and that includes in the states you name.

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    You could be right. But remember the “poll numbers” had Clinton winning -and yes in those very same states. So from an electoral standpoint I think the result would have been precisely the same. IMO people don’t like to overtly(responding to a poll) identify with a snake oil salesman but in private quarters (voting booth) all bets are off.

    May 27, 2017 at 4:47 pm #69408
    zn
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    Snaders’s numbers against Trump were better, if I recall, than Clinton’s poll numbers against Trump.

    A lot of people conclude, rightly I think, that Sanders would have beaten Trump. If nothing else it was very possible that Sanders would have taken votes from Trump that Clinton never would have. Plus there really is a national sense that Clinton was a machine candidate and too closely tied to the establishment, a taint Sanders never had.

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