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May 27, 2015 at 8:57 am #25353znModerator
Free for all thread.
It is legit to answer “none.” Or “this is beyond despair, I miss the days of Lawrence Phillips.”
May 27, 2015 at 9:00 am #25354znModeratorfrom off the net
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thehammer
reason for optimism?
logically this team looks like a 6-10 team if you just project last years production onto the 2015 roster but there is hope…sort of
dline..odds are Quinn is still the guy who is dominated by good ot’s BUT he might play to his 2013 level. 10.5 sacks in 2012, 19 in 2013 and 10.5 in 2014..which year is the outlier? What happens in 2015?
C Long’s sack totals have been decreasing for 4 seasons 13.5,11, 8.5 and 1 ..but he might find the fountain of youth
Detroit lost Suh as a fa and still happily parted company with Fairley…but he did get 17 hurries last year while only playing in 8 games…that’s elite production
Akeem Ayers had character issues coming out of college and has been a bust since drafted in the 2nd rd by Tenn and was let go by Belichick after playing with NE for only 9 games BUT did get 4 sacks in those 9 games
think Williams is a great coach and synergy matters…with Donald Rams still could lead the NFL in sacks and have a top 10 D..maybe top 5 if their cb play improves. .
Foles had 2 very avg seasons sandwiched in between one good one..logic says it was because teams hadn’t figured out Kelly’s offense in 2013 yet BUT Foles did throw 27 td’s with only 2 int in 2013… I see huge upside in Mannion while many experts see slow feet. Davis did flash for 4 games last year and could improve on his weaknesses.
Quick has been a total bust BUT maybe this will be his year..did flash in those 6 games last year when he was healthy..
T Austin also has a total bust but recently saw a picture of him without a shirt on…much bigger/more muscles and finally looks big enough to run through arm tackles.. Quick is the Rams best blocing wr..time to see some screens to Austin with Quick blocking. It could be Austins breakout year
Stedman Bailey is too short and too slow but that acrobatic youtube catch where he catches a ball one handed after doing a flip speaks volumes about his desire..desire matters. He does have the eye of the tiger
Gurley might start on the preseason pup list and only get 5-10 carries a game but they will be elite, Adrian Peterson, type carries…along with Mason rams could have a great running attack
Havenstein can flat out block and Jamon Brown sparq ranking was 22nd out of 301 olinemen..being smart, huge and athletic doesn’t suck. There is a real chance Rams hit 2 home runs with their Havenstein and Brown picks
if Gurley can give the Rams those 5-10 carries and one of the wr’s step up and Quinn plays to his 2013 level Rams could be THE surprise team in 2015. At least there is a chance
May 27, 2015 at 9:15 am #25355AgamemnonParticipantMay 27, 2015 at 9:18 am #25356DakParticipantThis is a Fisher team. Right now, I see 8-8, and hopefully they build for a better future. Still not a big Foles fan.
May 27, 2015 at 10:42 am #25361bnwBlockedWith the impending move to LA I have zero optimism.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 27, 2015 at 12:35 pm #25371wvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>from off the net</span>
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<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: red”>thehammer</span>
reason for optimism?
logically this team looks like a 6-10 team if you just project last years production onto the 2015 roster but there is hope…sort ofdline..odds are Quinn is still the guy who is dominated by good ot’s BUT he might play to his 2013 level. 10.5 sacks in 2012, 19 in 2013 and 10.5 in 2014..which year is the outlier? What happens in 2015?
Stedman Bailey is too short and too slow but that acrobatic youtube catch where he catches a ball one handed after doing a flip speaks volumes about his desire..desire matters. He does have the eye of the tiger
Just to quibble — Bailey is not slow. He’s fast enough to be a dangerous possession reciever
who can sometimes get past the defense.Quinn is elite in my view, and i have zero concerns about him.
This is not a 6-10 team anymore, as far as ‘talent’ goes. Its got the talent
to be a playoff team. The only question now, in my mind is: Health.They are ready to roll, if they stay healthy. Just my opin-yun.
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vMay 27, 2015 at 12:41 pm #25372HerzogParticipantIF the defense turns out to be what it should….and we can steal half the games during the first six games. Start out something like 3-3. Than I like our chances to win ten+ games and be playoff bound. I am optimistic b/c the defense SHOULD be that good. If not, it’s on Williams.
I believe that gives the young offensive lineman and Gurley enough time to get up to speed and start rocking and rolling.
I am optimistic….but the defense will really have to do the heavy lifting at first.
May 27, 2015 at 2:48 pm #25381canadaramParticipantI guess I see things differently than the OP. I see Quick’s progress last year as reason for optimism. I don’t think that he is a “total bust.” He’s started to play physically last year. Now if his shoulder is permanently shot then all bets are off.
I don’t agree about Bailey either. Bailey’s route running makes his game speed plenty fast enough in my book.
Neither of those guys have had the benefit of stability at QB to fairly evaluate.
No idea what the record will be this season. I stink when it comes to making such predictions.
May 27, 2015 at 8:00 pm #25398SunTzu_vs_CamusParticipantyep, I agree wv….this team is ready to play and very deep talent-wise.
The only fear I have is Foles getting hurt…other than that, I think the team could survive an injury to any other player and still win. imowe’ll see in a few more months how the OL shapes up…but I believe Boo will get the kids on the OL working as one…there WILL be mistakes but they’ll get er done as these 5-6 new OL kids seem like dedicated hard workers that can overcome their physical limitations with great teamwork as an OL unit. Let us pray! 😉
"I should have been a pair of ragged claws...
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."May 28, 2015 at 5:42 pm #25440znModeratorfrom off the net
QUOTATION OF THE DAY==
Prometheus Faulk
If Quinn is part of the problem, the solution is madness.
May 28, 2015 at 5:48 pm #25441joemadParticipant<P>With the impending move to LA I have zero optimism.</P>
be hopeful…….The last time the RAMS moved to LA, they won the NFL Title during a lame duck season in Cleveland….
May 28, 2015 at 8:00 pm #25454bnwBlocked<P>With the impending move to LA I have zero optimism.</P>
be hopeful…….The last time the RAMS moved to LA, they won the NFL Title during a lame duck season in Cleveland….
Thanks, I think. Even the football Cardinals won the NFL title twice. LA Rams for all their publicity forced upon the rest of the nation were at best second best in the Super Bowl. St.Louis Rams are Super Bowl Champions.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 29, 2015 at 9:13 pm #25496znModeratorTurf Show Times
A Good Sign For The St. Louis Rams In 2015?
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2015/5/29/8656893/2014-darta-a-good-sign-for-the-2015-st-louis-rams
One single statistic from the 2014 season may be the best indicator of a winning season ahead for the 2015 St. Louis Rams.
For the Rams’ 2014 NFL regular season, I kept track of five key statistical measures and how they correlated to/affected the outcome of each game. Although these statistics were quite revealing and informative, something seemed to be missing from the statistical equation in explaining the Rams’ 6-10 record. “DARTA” attempts to fill in some of the blanks.
Of the five statistics I tracked this past season, two were the most telling: Turnover Differential and the Score At Half-Time. In the last two seasons, the Rams have not won a game unless they were leading or tied at half-time. Turnovers played a critical role in the teams’ fortunes in 2014. The Rams had a record of 3-0 in games with a positive turnover differential, and an 0-6 record in games with a negative turnover differential. The Rams had a zero turnover differential in seven games, and won three of them. In the four games the Rams didn’t turn over the ball, their record was 4-0.
“DARTA” (my terminology) takes a deeper look into turnovers and special teams play. The term stands for “Defensive And Return Touchdowns Allowed”. It accounts for the number of points a team allows on safeties, fumble returns, interception returns, blocked kicks, and kickoff/punt returns.
In 2014, the Rams gave up TEN touchdowns/70 points (by far the most in the NFL) in this statistical measure. 8 were defensive TD’s resulting from fumbles and interceptions, 1 resulted from a blocked punt, and the 10th was a 99-yard kickoff return by Kansas City’s Knile Davis. In contrast, Miami, Seattle, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Kansas City all gave up 2 points or less in this statistical measure last season.
Was there a correlation between DARTA and the Rams’ win/loss record in 2014? The Rams were 0-8 in games where they gave up a DARTA, and 6-2 in games where they didn’t give up a DARTA. It’s much harder to win a game when you’re spotting the opponent 7 easy points.
How could such poor results in DARTA last season possibly bode well for the Rams in the upcoming season?
A Top-Five Defense
The Rams gave up 354 points (22.1 ppg.) in the 2014 regular season. That put them in a tie for 16th in the NFL, an average result for the Rams defensively (at least on the surface). In reality, the Rams’ defense was much better than the rankings suggest. Total points allowed can be deceiving when determining the quality of a teams’ defense, especially if that team has an extremely high total of DARTA in a particular season. In the Rams’ case, the defense gave up only 284 points (17.8 ppg.) in 2014, putting them in the top half-dozen teams in the league in points allowed (when adjusted for DARTA). The Rams’ defense simply wasn’t on the field when the other 70 points were scored.
Five reasons the Rams’ defense should be even better in 2015:
Chris Long should be healthy and not miss a substantial part of the season.
Mark Barron will be with the Rams for the entire season.
The Rams didn’t lose a single starter from 2014 during the offseason.
The team added two quality, experienced players (Akeem Ayers and Nick Fairley) in Free Agency. Both should have a positive impact on the defense.
The unit now has an entire season under its collective belt in a Gregg Williams-led defense.Changes In Personnel/Offensive Philosophy
The Rams played their last 25 regular season games with backup quarterbacks as starters. In 2014, Austin Davis and Shaun Hill combined for 20 turnovers (16 interceptions and 4 lost fumbles).
The Rams acquired a starter-quality QB in the offseason (Nick Foles). Foles will not be asked to win games through the air, as the Rams are moving towards more of a run-based, ball control offense. The Rams’ 2015 NFL Draft picks made that clear, with the selection of 4 run-blocking OL and RB Todd Gurley with the 10th overall pick.
The addition of Foles – plus Jeff Fisher’s desire to keep the ball on the ground – should result in fewer turnovers by the offense (and by extension fewer DARTA). The Rams’ running backs were responsible for only 4 lost fumbles last season.
The Rams had 27 giveaways in 2014, which ranked 9th-worst in the NFL. There’s certainly room for improvement in this critical area of the game.
Statistical Observations
The likelihood of the Rams repeating their dismal 2014 results in DARTA this coming season isn’t very high, if for no other reason than regression towards the mean.
From Grantland’s Bill Barnwell:
“Because 16 games just aren’t enough to learn much about a team, we can usually safely say that teams that exhibit some extreme characteristic or have some event occur a freakishly high (or low) amount of the time will not have that same experience over the next 16 games. That’s simple regression toward the mean.”
Given the Rams’ recent history, their 2014 DARTA results would appear to be an outlier. The Rams’ DARTA for the 4 seasons prior to 2014: 5 in 2013, 3 in 2012, 4 in 2011, and 3 in 2010. Expect the Rams to significantly reduce their DARTA totals in 2015.
This coming season, the Rams will field their most talented team in the Snead/Fisher era. With a significant reduction in the number of turnovers and DARTA, the Rams should produce a winning record and vie for a playoff berth.
May 29, 2015 at 9:48 pm #25497InvaderRamModeratoryeah. rams need to take care of the ball on offense. not just touchdowns given up but just turnovers that put the defense in bad field position. stop putting the defense in a hole.
and if they can sustain more drives. and if the young guys on defense can improve.
this defense should be a top 5 defense easily.
May 29, 2015 at 9:51 pm #25498HramParticipantGood talented death at multiple positions even though they are young makes me optimistic. Plus they have not yet sustain any serious injuries.
May 29, 2015 at 10:09 pm #25505znModeratorGood talented death at multiple positions
I think you picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue?
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