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August 14, 2014 at 9:54 pm #4018CoachOParticipant
Camp Report 8/14/14
Did not practice: Saffold, Washington, B. Jones, K. Jones, Laurinaitis, Brockers, S. Brown, Daniels, Woodard
Pead participated in Special Team (Kickoff Return and Kickoff Coverage) and RB units drills, and ran routes with QBs (Bradford and Hill) throwing
Jenkins participated in unit drills and also 11 on 11 drills (team drill at RCB)
Demetrius Rhaney was carted off the field during the FG unit drills. looked like someone rolled up on him
Days Attire: Shoulder Pads and shorts
A Few Pre-practice Observations:
LaMarcus Joyner has been out early everyday this week, working on technique with Asst. Secondary Coach Brandon Fisher
Chris Givens out early all week, working on routes, and beating press coverage
Cory Harkey, Chase Reynolds, TJ Moe and Jared Cook out every day working with jugs machine catching balls
catching Kickoffs (from jugs machine) Veltung, Moe, Reid, Franklin, B. Cunningham, Reynolds and PeadSpecial Teams:
Kickoff Coverage:
McDonald Joyner B. Cunningham Armstrong McLeod Zuerlein Pead Bates Harkey Reynolds Bailey/C. Davis
Joyner replaces and injured Matt Daniels
Kickoff Return:
1st Unit:
Alexander Ogletree Armstrong Bates Reynolds C. Davis Barnes Harkey Person B. Cunningham PeadOgletree replaces Steward
Person replaces Conrath2nd Unit:
A. Cunningham Wilson Steward Millard A. Hill Blake Conrath Bayer Sam Gaines GivensAvery Cunningham now in Alexander’s spot
Unit Drills:
DB’s working on hitting sled, locating and recovering loose ball.Greg Williams observing and commenting: “if you avoid contact you’re in the wrong place and on the wrong team! Hit the sled like you mean it!”
“Locate the ball, see the ball, pick up the ball”LB’s working onreading pulling linemen (other LBs as blockers)
GW: “I’m watching what you are watching” if you haven’t figured this out yet, I can’t help you!”
“Some of you guys act like you have never done this before in your life”Team Drills:
9 on 9Running Game
spent a lot of time working on running game. Offensive Line looks to be dominant overall
Long and Wells taking all of the 1st unit reps11 on 11:
1st unit offense:
Long Robinson Wells Joseph Barksdale— Harkey, Kendricks, Cook, Quick, Britt, Austin— Stacy, Mason, B. Cunningham — BradfordAustin took some reps out of the backfield
2nd Unit:
Person Rhaney Barnes Bond Hooey — Bayer, J. Cunningham, Bailey, Givens, Pettis — Mason, B. Cunningham — Hill3rd Unit:
Van Dyk Person Rhaney Morrell, Dill — Smelley, Bayer, Blake, Moe, Franklin, Harris — Reynolds, Watts — Gilbert1st Unit Defense:
Long Langford Donald Quinn– Ogletree, Dunbar, Armstrong— Johnson, Jenkins, McLeod, McDonald (Joyner in Nickel)2nd Unit:
Westbrooks, Carrington, Conrath, Sims — Steward, Bates, Wilson — Gaines, Roberson, Davis, Alexander (Joyner in Nickel)3rd Unit:
Sam Harlan Westbrooks K. Brown — Sabino, A.Hill, Millard — Reid, J. Bryant, A. Cunningham, C. Bryant (Gaines in Nickel)2 minute Drill:
Bradford rolling out, throwing on the move.
Bradford to Quick on sideline fade (30 yard gain)
Brian Quick makes a highlight reel catch in EndZone (Britt described it being similar to grabbing a rebound in basketball game on radio interview)
Kendricks nice seam route, Bradford hits him in stride
Janoris Jenkins participates in team drillObservations:
Rodney McLeod had arguably his best practice…. nice PBU closing on crossing route to Quick
Interception on over throw deep sidlineMike Person took more than a few token reps at Center (after Rhaney left practice) in the running game; Including with 1st unit.
Greg Williams introduces another “new” look… (3-2-6) Long Langford, Quinn Dunbar Ogletree Jenkins, Johnson, Joyner, McLeod, McDonald and Alexander (in the box)
August 15, 2014 at 12:11 am #4021znModeratorsome follow-up
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CoachO
Austin looks fine. If its possible, he is playing faster this year. Which tells me he has a better understanding of the system.
But in all honesty, he isn’t the first option very often. And depending on the personnel grouping, he will be sharing reps with Kendricks if they stay with Quick and Britt on the outside. They are working him out of the backfield much more this year, than last. And today they ran him on a reverse that was very well set up. He came in motion, and took the toss, so it was virtually a toss sweep.
I do expect him to get reps in the 2 WR sets, but that may not be until Bailey gets back. Until then, look for him in the slot most of the time.
The whole key for me, as it pertains to Austin, Briitt and Quick have to make an impact. And that will come from the play action game. If defenses have to account for the intermediate routes, that both can be so effective running, that will open things up underneath for Austin. By holding the LBs in play action, and forcing the Safeties to honor Quick and Britt, those crossing routes by Austin are now BEHIND the LBs instead of in front of them. Even if its only a couple of yards, it will give him plenty of room to turn the play up, rather than being in front of the LBS who can string the play out and not give him the room he needs to turn it up.
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Brandon McGeee has been banged up with one thing after another. He will practice one day, and then miss the next two. IMO, Gaines has passed him up. McGee will make the roster, and will be a core ST player. But Gaines is much better in coverage already.
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Robinson is working exclusively at LG, with Long being back, and taking all the LT reps. For the moment, the ONLY starter not practicing is Saffold, with Joseph taking all the RG reps.
They have been working more on the running game, with Robinson, (both guards for that matter) pulling and he just buries guys when he gets to the 2nd level. His biggest issue will be when pulling, knowing when to look inside, and when to go ahead and get to the 2nd level. He has a tendency of running past a guy because he is so focused on the LB. That’s where lining up between Long and Wells should be invaluable.
You will have Wells, Barnes and Person all on the 53 man roster.
They will have Joseph, Barnes and Person who all can play guard. And that doesn’t even mention Bond, if he makes the team
This is shaping up like a typical Boudreau unit, versatile, but much more talented than they have had in recent memory.
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Emory Blake has a couple nice catches, and seems to be separating himself from the next group of WRs.
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If you watch any of the other games, you will see the same issues in tackling that you saw last Friday. Its a direct by product of the new CBA.
The biggest concern is the lack of depth at LB. As long as they can march Laurinaitis, Dunbar and Ogletree out there week in and week out, then this defense will be VERY good. They are woefully inexperienced at LB, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see them add some experience once the final cuts are made.
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The secondary is not gonna be as much of an issue as many think it will. Again, barring any major or widespread injuries, the top 4 CBs are gonna be fine, as will the top 3 Safeties. With the front seven playing up to its potential, teams just aren’t gonna have the time to exploit the young secondary.
August 15, 2014 at 5:11 pm #4064znModeratorsome more follow-up…ongoing
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Laurinaitis has been out of the boot for over a week. His situation is mostly precautionary. I believe he had a procedure in the offseason, that landed him a walking boot then, so this injury is more about not aggravating it any further. IF he has shown one thing in his career, he WILL be on the field on Sundays. It’s anyone’s guess as to whether or not he will play in any of the preseason games. But my guess, if he does, it won’t be until Miami.
As to Brockers, he has been getting in some work on the side with Reggie (Head Trainer) and should be back for next week’s game in Cleveland.
I think with Hayes, they are just taking things slow with him, like they are with a few of the other guys. He apparently had some neck and shoulder issues taken care of in the off season, and with him being a veteran, he doesn’t need the same time and reps to be ready for Sept. 7th. Now if he doesn’t start working his back into a regular rotation in the next week or so, then there may be more to it than that.
Rhaney suffered a knee strain, and according to Fisher’s post-practice comments, it isn’t as serious as they thought. An MRI is scheduled. My guess is he won’t be playing tomorrow. Don’t be surprised to see Mike Person getting more than a few token reps at Center in tomorrow’s game.
The biggest thing about the Barrett Jones injury, is it exposed how short handed they are with the younger UDFA’s just not being where they need to be.
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I believe that Person will get the reps while Bradford is in the game. Then Van Dyk may get a look at LT. Not sure how much Wells will play, so Barnes and Person may finish the game at Center. Hooey will get his reps at RT, with the 2nd unit, then may slide over to LT with the 3’s.
[At]…RT, I’m thinking Sean Hooey gets the first nod. They seem to like what he brings, and the kid has made some nice strides in camp this year. Boudreau seems to like the tall tackles, with the reach hat Hooey at 6’9 can provide. While he can at times have problems with a speed rush, being on the right side, he isn’t as likely to come up against that quite as much as he would on the left.
As far as Washington, I have a feeling his days have been numbered since camp started. He is the perfect example of a player who has managed to stick around because he was the “best” of an otherwise very weak core of depth guys. They have “out drafted” him with the guys that have been brought in the last year. But Joseph’s signing kinda sealed his fate.
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As much as I love the Joseph acquisition, when Saffold is in there, this unit has the potential to have an overpowering running game. Joseph has been good, Saffold could be special.
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They do have a 2nd unit for kickoff coverage, but honestly, it changes practice to practice, with all the players sitting out. It’s difficult to even chart it. My suggestion is to keep an eye on the telecast tomorrow, to get a better idea of who it is THIS week.
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McLeod looks to be coming on. He is more often than not, in the single high safety position, and has showed to be quite comfortable, and is reading routes and making breaks on balls in the air. Again, he just needs to clean up his tackling, and I think people may be pleasantly surprised.
The 4 Safeties who IMO are safe, are McLeod, McDonald, C. Davis, and Alexander.
…what I have seen of Bryant, I like. He seems to play with a certain “balls to the wall” mentality. He just needs to get up to speed in the defense.
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My biggest fear is the fans all jumping ship if this team doesn’t get off to a 3-1 start. They need to stay the course, and let a Jeff Fisher team improve as the year goes on. As most of his teams have shown they will. A fast start would be very helpful,, ,but if they can be around .500 at the halfway point, they could very easily win 6 of the last 8 to make their playoff push.
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I think our base did a pretty good job in limiting the damage last year of the read option. None of the teams that tried to run it, including Washington in Week 2 had much success. With the addition of Ogletree and McDonald, IMO, these players are perfect fits, lined up on opposite sides of the formation to run down a Wilson or Kaepernick, while not compromising the interior of the defense by losing one of the DTs.
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I think you have to look deeper at some of the reasons that screens are successful against our defense, and why on offense, they don’t seem to be nearly as effective, even when they try to run them.
From a schematic point of view, teams use these screens to exploit the Rams biggest strength. The aggressive nature of our defensive front, which tends to be in a constant “rush the passer” mode, plays right into the hands of an team running effective screens. The defensive front tends to run themselves out of the play, creating a numbers mismatch against the back 7. Especially when teams can run off the safeties, leaving maybe 3 or 4 defenders to stand up to the screen.
Conversely, other teams propensity to play mostly zone schemes against our offense, doesn’t create the same sort of mismatches for our offense. Trust me, it’s not that they don’t work on the screen game in practice. They work on it a lot.
But when teams tend to be more passive in their approach vs. our offense, especially when we don’t show the ability to stretch the secondary, they will out number us at the point of the screen more often than not.
…while it would be nice to have in the arsenal [on offense], I’m not sure it something “needs to fix”. Play calling as a rule, is more about taking advantage of the matchups the defense gives you. And when teams take the approach they have taken as a general rule, running screens just isn’t the way to attack it. But it also opens other things to take advantage of.
One example I like to point out from last year, is the Indy game. compared to other games. Fans are always complaining about Schottenheimer’s “failure” to get Austin the ball in space. But by design, when teams are playing primarily zone, you have to attack the open spaces and find the windows. Which means most of the time, the receiver has to settle into that void, and is standing still when the ball is delivered.
Now, to use the Indy game, they played primarily man to man defense, and you saw they difference. Austin caught the crossing route in stride, and was off to the races. Even Chris Givens, who rarely runs them, had a couple of big plays on similar crossing routes.
This is how OC’s change their play calling based on the defense. And screen passes are just another tool in the drawer when the opportunity present itself.
On defense, it becomes a “pick your poison” sort of decision. In most cases, they choose to pressure the passer, and it can make them susceptible to the screens.
But that’s where having an experienced DC can make all the difference in the world, And actually GAME PLANNING, which you are not likely to see much in the preseason. Down and distance, and scouting tendencies, will allow Williams to have a better feel when to get after the QB, and when to back off and force them into throwing into coverage.
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August 15, 2014 at 5:37 pm #4065wvParticipantCoachO sounds purty optimistic. Seems to be saying
the only thing that will stop these guys is
key injuries.w
vAugust 15, 2014 at 7:47 pm #4073InvaderRamModeratorAs much as I love the Joseph acquisition, when Saffold is in there, this unit has the potential to have an overpowering running game. Joseph has been good, Saffold could be special.
yeah. i can’t wait to see this oline with everyone lined up. the interior oline should be opening up some nice holes for stacy to power through. this offense is gonna be more physical than any st louis ram offense we’ve ever seen.
August 15, 2014 at 9:13 pm #4076znModeratorCoachO sounds purty optimistic. Seems to be saying
the only thing that will stop these guys is
key injuries.w
vI really expanded it. The “2nd follow-Up” post.
August 16, 2014 at 2:01 am #4092InvaderRamModeratorwell besides injuries. what do people think could be the downfall of this team?
the secondary is still very much a question mark. run defense could be suspect. too soon to tell.
i actually think the offense should be fine. if you discount the potential of injuries. i mean bradford with a strong running game should be enough.
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