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  • #9586
    rfl
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    The StL Ram Defense is so bad … well, insert your rhetorical flourish here.

    Our defense is a freaking fraud. They have as much heart as a flock of cockroaches.

    And don’t tell me they played the run well. That makes it worse and it damn well isn’t good enough.

    Someone please tell me how Williams has helped us. Despite individuals looking good on various plays, he still shows no ability to coordinate a defense that can get a key stop. The lack of pressure on receivers running short routes is a crime.

    Meanwhile, the OL has 2 frauds of its own: Wells and Long.

    This team is such a sad, pitiable excuse for a football team.

    I have followed the team since 1967. I’ve been elated and, more often, heartbroken. I have taken pride in its history and endured the years of inept management.

    But right now, IO am seriously wondering why I follow this team. Honestly. Do they deserve us to be loyal to them? How many years before they can freaking compete?

    BTW, tonight’s debacle is going to be costly. They gave us the benefit of the doubt and 2 prime time games after we squandered the same opportunity last year. After tonight … it’s gonna be years before the Rams are on MNF again.

    Abject failure.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #9584
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    Janoris Jenkins is effing retard to get caught looking inside on that play at the end of the half.

    Bench him!

    Grits

    #9587
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I feel your pain RFL.

    It is embarrassing to admit being a fan.

    Greg Williams is a joke.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #9588
    rfl
    Participant

    PA, I can barely watch a defensive series. It feels like a stop would be a miracle. 3rd down? I have virtually no hope.

    Another year in which the season has been over after 3 games. Draft talk time, boys. Hell, maybe we’ll get a top 3 pick?

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #9589
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
    Participant

    This team in no longer the Rams to me. They will be known as the St.louis garbage men from now until they when a super bowl

    #9592
    GreatRamNTheSky
    Participant

    This team makes me drinkGrits

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    #9594
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    I’m disgusted.

    I just have come to expect this team to gag at any given time, and they always oblige. I mean, who wasn’t expecting a pick-6 on the final drive? I was also expecting the Brandon Lloyd pass. I was expecting conversions on 3rd and long. I was expecting flags at inopportune moments.

    It’s just disgusting. It’s disgusting because it has been going on for so, so long, and because they should be better than this. All the highly touted drafts, and the windfall from the RGIII trade, and they’re supposed to be talented. The Rams play like overachieving scrubs. Meanwhile, they have for years been making journeymen on the other team look like pro bowlers.

    This is a team with the consensus best DL in the NFL, and they set a record tonight for the fewest sacks in the first five games of the season, ever. How is that even possible? One sack in 5 games? With Quinn having zero? I don’t know how to analyze coordinators, or coaches in general, but nothing I see from the Rams’ defense makes me the least bit grateful that they have Gregg Williams. There is NO pressure.

    And how can Jenkins give up that pass to Lloyd on that down and distance, with that much time on the clock? He has to know the one thing he can NOT do is let Lloyd get behind him. That’s his only responsibility there.

    And the drops. The pressure on Davis.

    At no time does one EVER get the feeling that the Rams have control of an aspect of the game. Not even against Tampa. Not even against Dallas in the first quarter. There is just NEVER any sense that the Rams are dominating the line on either side of the ball, or dictating things to the other team.

    To paraphrase Roland Williams, “It’s a debacle.”

    And I feel this way mid-week, too. Not just immediately after another incompetent performance.

    This team looks like it’s still playing pre-season games.

    #9599
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    If ever there was a time to fire Gregg Williams and get back to fundamental Defense…NOW is it!!!

    I bet that would change things in a hurry. No sacks? Really? We get no sacks because we don’t cover short routes!!! Which leads to QBs hitting all those short passes. What other D plays SO SOFT all the damn time???

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #9601
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
    Participant

    This is a rerun that I have seen too many times.

    Agamemnon

    #9602
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I had to work tonight–listened on the radio and caught the last 6 minutes of the game at home. I have it on DVR. Doubt that I’ll watch it.

    But just listening I could hear a tackle for loss and then on a second and long—first down.

    3rd and long–first down.

    I didn’t get to see the bad calls tonight(I know they were there)but it isn’t JUST the bad calls. This team is a letdown waiting to happen.

    I will say on the Lloyd touchdown–it looked like Quinn was being held again–but Ray Lewis and others were talking about it after the game and called it, “high school football”. They were saying that it was odd the Rams were even set up like they were for that situation. I’m no coach–I don’t know.

    But the Rams do what they do best–disappoint.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #9603
    PA Ram
    Participant

    If ever there was a time to fire Gregg Williams and get back to fundamental Defense…NOW is it!!!

    I bet that would change things in a hurry. No sacks? Really? We get no sacks because we don’t cover short routes!!! Which leads to QBs hitting all those short passes. What other D plays SO SOFT all the damn time???

    I wish they’d fire Williams tomorrow.

    This defense has done nothing with his “genius”.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #9605
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    This is a rerun that I have seen too many times.

    It feels like ten years of this. Sometimes a bit better, sometimes even worse, but just consistent inconsistency. Just good enough to keep one hoping to reap something next time from these growing pains, and just bad enough to never realize that hope.

    #9606
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    I had to work tonight–listened on the radio and caught the last 6 minutes of the game at home. I have it on DVR. Doubt that I’ll watch it.

    But just listening I could hear a tackle for loss and then on a second and long—first down.

    3rd and long–first down.

    I didn’t get to see the bad calls tonight(I know they were there)but it isn’t JUST the bad calls. This team is a letdown waiting to happen.

    I will say on the Lloyd touchdown–it looked like Quinn was being held again–but Ray Lewis and others were talking about it after the game and called it, “high school football”. They were saying that it was odd the Rams were even set up like they were for that situation. I’m no coach–I don’t know.

    But the Rams do what they do best–disappoint.

    I don’t understand it.

    Who didn’t see that play coming?

    It’s 3rd and 6 (or thereabouts), and with under a minute left, and the 9ers still deep in their own territory, they show no urgency. They are letting the clock run. They obviously are eating some clock in case they don’t get the first down, but in doing so, they aren’t leaving themselves much time, either. So what are they going to do?

    They are going to take a shot deep. It’s so obvious.

    I’m still shaking my head.

    #9618
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    To me there is a main culprit here. Team psyche. Now…that gets close to “psych 101” posts but I don’t know, I think I have a feel for this particular issue. You can tell if a group has a “mental issue” and I think this group does.

    Let’s assume for a sec that the bad call on Cook started them down the slippery slope. Interesting, did you notice that after that call Cook started just sucking as a player? Whole 2nd half. So did the bad call undermine them? If it did, and I think it did, that’s bad. A good, solid, veteran team with confidence overcomes setbacks like that.

    So that to me is the key. This is a team with fragile confidence. Mistakes have killed them even though they knew they could have had a couple of games. When confidence goes, so does steady play.

    Look at Pettis for an example. Before Phil, he was the hands guy, who could make crazy good catches in traffic on poorly thrown balls. But he drops 2 against the Eagles, and by god it carried over to tonight. He wasn’t the same player as the guy who made the crazy good catches we have talked about before.

    You could see them deflate. Davis too. In fact this is why I never accept that a qb who is exuberant and enthusiastic and shows emotion is good. Because there’s a flip side to that coin. I prefer the dead fish qb who is the same in all conditions. You can SEE Davis getting down on himself after mistakes. You think the team can’t see it? And when he does that, you KNOW more mistakes are coming. You can make money betting on it.

    A confident team will overcome bad calls, and overcome their own mistakes. How many game-killing mistakes did SF and Dallas make?…before they finally won?

    The Rams need a dramatic win to give them team confidence. The paradox of course is that lack of confidence undermines them.

    #9621
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Well, that and the blatant bias the Refs are showing.

    I just can’t get past that. Quinn is held on every play including the 80yd TD. I just saw a pic showing Staley held him…badly. Almost a bad a hold as the Langford takedown on the Dez Bryant TD.

    No team is going to overcome that level of bias. So, unless something changes in that regard the Rams are peeing into the wind no matter what they do.

    What’s that phrase? Just because I seem paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t really out to get me…

    Sure, I agree that the Rams have a fragile psyche right now. However, they may also seem to be responding to the rather obvious bias that they also see and feel that once that first really bad call comes, that they KNOW a bunch more will come that allows the opponent to score dozens of unanswered points. It’s starting to feel inevitable. And that has to SUCK to feel that inevitability as a player.

    How must Robert Quinn feel to beat his guy on almost every play and KNOW that he’s not gotten a holding call in what? 300 snaps? is that even possible that he’s not been held ONCE in 300 snaps???

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #9624
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Well, that and the blatant bias the Refs are showing.

    I just can’t get past that. Quinn is held on every play including the 80yd TD. I just saw a pic showing Staley held him…badly. Almost a bad a hold as the Langford takedown on the Dez Bryant TD.

    No team is going to overcome that level of bias. So, unless something changes in that regard the Rams are peeing into the wind no matter what they do.

    What’s that phrase? Just because I seem paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t really out to get me…

    Sure, I agree that the Rams have a fragile psyche right now. However, they may also seem to be responding to the rather obvious bias that they also see and feel that once that first really bad call comes, that they KNOW a bunch more will come that allows the opponent to score dozens of unanswered points. It’s starting to feel inevitable. And that has to SUCK to feel that inevitability as a player.

    How must Robert Quinn feel to beat his guy on almost every play and KNOW that he’s not gotten a holding call in what? 300 snaps? is that even possible that he’s not been held ONCE in 300 snaps???

    I just think it was a bad call. The Cook call. I am never one to buy into theories like that. A confident team doesn’t let itself get deflated that way, regardless.

    I also think that they aren’t doing what they promised with Quinn, and setting him up to succeed.

    Of course he’s being held. Heck Jake Long should try it. But you can set up a top passing rushing DE to make plays. What happens instead is that every game he’s in the same spot doing the same things.

    #9626
    HighPlainsDrifter
    Participant

    It’s sad, but the game was pretty much what I expected. I didn’t watch it, I just looked at the box score this morning. I can’t bring myself to stay up late on a Monday night for what I anticipate being just another ridiculous train wreck. I know Rams’ fans have a deep seeded hatred for the 49ers, but you have to admire the fact that they are ‘in’ every single game, no matter the opponent. Unless the Rams are playing a very mediocre or lousy football team, I have little reason to believe that they are going to compete for four quarters. Or even three. If not for the numerous really good football games that I have been able to watch this season (none of which included the Rams), my interest in the NFL would be just about gone. The Cleveland Browns, for crying out loud, are competitive and even fun to watch. St. Louis has become a football black hole. Being a fan of this franchise has almost become a curse that ruins five months of the year. I need a diversion program to rid myself of them.

    #9627
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    Well…um….
    things are darkest,
    before dawn.

    Thats all i got.

    w
    v

    #9628
    Avatar photonittany ram
    Moderator

    I agree with zn in that I think this team has a fragile psyche. They come out of the gate full of confidence and dominate, but after something bad happens they are too easily deflated. Their confidence waxes and wanes like the phases of the moon throughout the game.

    In the chat room we discussed the ‘clutch-i-tude’ of Austin Davis. Joemad and zn said he wasn’t clutch and I said although he hadn’t exhibited that characteristic yet, we can’t say for sure he isn’t. Immediately after that he threw the pick 6 and I was suddenly onboard. No, he’s not clutch. His problem is he is too emotional. He gets really down on himself when he makes a mistake. To be a clutch QB you have to be calm. You approach the situation in a matter of fact, down to business sorta way. Think of Tom Brady’s demeanor when trailing in the 4th. Davis presses in those situations and makes bad decisions and/or inaccurate throws. He may learn to be clutch someday, but he first has to learn to relax and just take things as they come. And of course, if the Rams could hold a lead, the kid wouldn’t have to be clutch. 😉

    Anyways, Davis’ psyche sort of reflects the psyche of the entire team throughout the game. Up and down.

    #9639
    21Dog
    Participant

    Even Fredo thinks the Rams are weak.

    Folded up like a cheap suit at the first signs of adversity last night (the Cook call and the pass to Lloyd).

    #9650
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    Even Fredo thinks the Rams are weak.

    Folded up like a cheap suit at the first signs of adversity last night (the Cook call and the pass to Lloyd).

    So, can they salvage this season, 21?
    Do you think they can have a
    good second half of the year?

    Lots of games left
    for this messy-confused-infuriating-team.

    w
    v

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    #9656
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    I have not seen the game yet,
    but did 500 year-old Brandon Lloyd
    actually outrun JJ ?
    Is Lloyd faster than JJ?

    w
    v

    #9657
    21Dog
    Participant

    So, can they salvage this season, 21?
    Do you think they can have a
    good second half of the year?

    Lots of games left
    for this messy-confused-infuriating-team.

    w
    v

    Hate being doom and gloom guy, but I don’t see it getting any better than 3-13.

    The RG3 trade gave this team a chance to rebuild with young players. Early returns aren’t promising. Looking like the Dickerson trade results so far.

    #9658
    21Dog
    Participant

    I have not seen the game yet,
    but did 500 year-old Brandon Lloyd
    actually outrun JJ ?
    Is Lloyd faster than JJ?

    w
    v

    Word to the wise (I’m giving you credit for wisdom, wv).

    Don’t watch it.

    Brutal. Inexcusable.

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    #9661
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
    So, can they salvage this season, 21?
    Do you think they can have a
    good second half of the year?

    Lots of games left
    for this messy-confused-infuriating-team.

    w
    v

    Hate being doom and gloom guy, but I don’t see it getting any better than 3-13.

    The RG3 trade gave this team a chance to rebuild with young players. Early returns aren’t promising. Looking like the Dickerson trade results so far.

    Wow. 3-13.

    I dunno. I have no idea,
    but my guess is they start
    to put it together
    in the second half of the season.

    It certainly looks like GW has
    made a mess of the defense though.

    The offense just seems to involve
    a couple parts on the OLine.

    The story for me right now is
    the Rams Coaching staff: What will they do?
    What can they do? They
    are gonna get withering heat now.
    The fans are lighting the torches.

    w
    v

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    #9664
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    wv wrote:
    I have not seen the game yet,
    but did 500 year-old Brandon Lloyd
    actually outrun JJ ?
    Is Lloyd faster than JJ?

    w
    v

    Word to the wise (I’m giving you credit for wisdom, wv).

    Don’t watch it.

    Brutal. Inexcusable.

    Watched the replay of it.

    O dear.

    One of the worst regular-season
    plays I’ve seen from a ram CB
    in my 40+ years of watching ram
    football.

    JJ loves the big plays
    dont he.

    w
    v

    #9666
    LadyRamFan
    Participant

    It’s bad. I’m sure they can improve but I just haven’t seen anything that makes me think they will. I agree the team lacks mental toughness. You can almost feel the team giving up at times. I knew the game was over when SF got the TD right before the half. It wasn’t just a momentum swing. It was over.

    I hope things improve but I have no expectations they will.

    #9667
    Avatar photowv
    Participant

    It’s bad. I’m sure they can improve but I just haven’t seen anything that makes me think they will. I agree the team lacks mental toughness. You can almost feel the team giving up at times. I knew the game was over when SF got the TD right before the half. It wasn’t just a momentum swing. It was over.

    I hope things improve but I have no expectations they will.

    Think they can beat
    Seattle in St.Louis?

    I do.

    w
    v

    #9672
    LadyRamFan
    Participant

    Think they can beat
    Seattle in St.Louis?
    I do.
    w
    v

    Can they? Absolutely. Will they? Highly doubtful IMO. If everything goes well they have a shot. Unfortunately there’s always ‘something’ and whatever ‘it’ is instead of rising up to overcome it, it feels like they fold.

    I hope you’re right! I would LOVE a win vs. Seattle at home.

    #9673
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    21Dog wrote:

    wv wrote:
    I have not seen the game yet,
    but did 500 year-old Brandon Lloyd
    actually outrun JJ ?
    Is Lloyd faster than JJ?

    w
    v

    Word to the wise (I’m giving you credit for wisdom, wv).

    Don’t watch it.

    Brutal. Inexcusable.

    Watched the replay of it.

    O dear.

    One of the worst regular-season
    plays I’ve seen from a ram CB
    in my 40+ years of watching ram
    football.

    JJ loves the big plays
    dont he.

    w
    v

    Yep.

    Lloyd is slow. We knew that when he was a Ram and is older now. Jenkins is much faster.

    Jenkins made a bigtime, primetime, big circus mistake. He peeked in the backfield with one on one coverage late in a half.

    You don’t do that.

    ESPN tried to make it about the coverage, so there was supposed to be safety help.

    No…Jenkins is SUPPOSED TO KNOW not to do that.

    He knows he’s supposed to know that. That’s why he’s hiding under the table like a cowering dog.

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