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November 4, 2016 at 2:01 pm #56810znModerator
MMQB: Ready or Not, Is It Jared Goff’s Time?
On the heels of three straight losses, calls for the Rams to hand the reins to the No. 1 overall pick are heating up. Is it just a matter of L.A. sticking to a long-term plan, or is there something more that’s keeping Jared Goff off the field?
Emily Kaplan
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/11/03/nfl-rams-jared-goff-when-will-he-take-over-rams
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Los Angeles waited two decades for its NFL team to return. So forgive Rams fans if they’re impatient regarding their anointed franchise quarterback, Jared Goff. Seven months after L.A. shipped a slew of high draft picks, including its No. 1 in 2017, to Tennessee for the right to select the Cal quarterback first overall, Goff has yet to play a down in the NFL. While five other rookie quarterbacks have started games this season, the No. 1 pick sits behind Case Keenum, who has the league’s fifth-lowest passer rating and threw four picks in his most recent game, the 17-10 loss to the Giants in London that dropped the Rams to 3-4.
Coach Jeff Fisher maintains that Goff will start “when he’s ready,” but calls for a quarterback change have swelled to the point that, in an interview at practice on Wednesday, Fisher felt obligated to say: “Jared Goff is still our quarterback of the future. He’s still our franchise quarterback, still in our long-term plans. It was a great trade.”As to whether he’s in the Rams’ short-term plans, and if so when he might play, Fisher declined to offer any timetable: “The worst thing we can do to Jared is say, ‘Hey, here is when it’s going to happen.’” The logical question, especially given the early success of Carson Wentz in Philadelphia and Dak Prescott in Dallas, is: Why isn’t Goff playing? What exactly are coaches working on, and why has the process dragged on for the better part of a year?
“I get it, that’s the big concern right now,” quarterbacks coach Chris Weinke told The MMQB. “Here’s the No. 1 pick, other guys have played, it’s human nature to question, why hasn’t this guy? The simplest answer is it’s a process. We’re not working on one particular thing. We’re really working on a number of variables. Could he be playing right now? Is he capable of playing in the National Football League right now? My answer would be yes. But if we’re being truly honest with ourselves, and we knew when we went through the process of drafting him, we knew it was going to take some time, and we were OK with that.”
The Rams, privately and publicly, will remind outsiders that the Eagles initially planned to reshirt Wentz, and that Prescott is only starting because of Tony Romo’s injury. But the success of those rookies—specifically of Prescott who, like Goff at Cal, played in a spread offense at Mississippi State—legitimizes the question: If the Rams believe Goff is capable of playing in the NFL, why wait?Cultivating quarterback talent is a delicate and inexact art. A franchise’s fear is currently playing out in Jacksonville: The Jaguars wanted to sit Blake Bortles as a rookie in 2014, reversed course midseason, thrust the quarterback into action and may have stunted his long-term development. Two years later Bortles’ mechanics seem out of whack. This week the Jags QB summoned a private quarterback coach to Florida for recalibration. Such anecdotes seem to shape the Rams’ plan for Goff: mold the young quarterback into a polished product, then plug him in.
“If Jared Goff is playing quarterback, we’re not going to change our offense,” Weinke says. “We have a library [of plays] where we are always able to cater to the quarterback. I mean, that’s just being smart. We do that for Case Keenum, and obviously for Goff we’ll do that as well, where we call things he’s comfortable with and likes. I think we’re being smart right now in not rushing him into a position—not that he’s going to fail, we’re not saying that—but we want to put him in a position to be successful.”
Keenum’s subobtimal passing numbers—including four picks in the London loss to the Giants—have caused the calls for Goff to grow.Goff’s development may be taking slightly longer because the spread offense he played in at Cal drew on Mike Leach’s up-tempo, pass-happy Air Raid philosophy. While highly favorable to the stat line, Air Raid offenses don’t ask nearly as much of a quarterback in terms of his reads as do NFL pro-style attacks. Consider former Air Raid quarterbacks whose college productivity didn’t carry over (or hasn’t yet) to the NFL: Tim Couch, Nick Foles, Kevin Kolb, Johnny Manziel, Geno Smith, Brandon Weeden. In fact, Keenum may be the most successful former Air Raid quarterback in the league right now. In an interview last month for my college column about the Air Raid conundrum, Weeden—a 2012 first-round pick of the Browns who started 15 games as a rookie—brought up Goff’s situation unprompted: “I look at what the Rams are doing and I think it’s awesome,” Weeden said. “By having Case Keenum on the roster, Goff can have a year, a half a year, and redshirt to learn the NFL game. That’s huge. My rookie year, I had no idea what I was doing a lot of the time. I knew coverages, but they are just so much more complex, dissecting everything—it was impossible. I wish I had been in a situation like Goff’s where I wasn’t forced to be thrown into the fire.”
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At Cal, Goff operated out of the shotgun. Now he’s under center, and the footwork is different. That was the first thing Weinke and Goff worked on. “The easiest thing I’ve found is to relate it to what he’s comfortable with,” Weinke says. Weinke explained to Goff that where he used to take a three-step drop from the shotgun, now it’s simply a five-step drop under center: just add two steps. Goff had been working on his five-step drop even before the draft process, and he had the footwork down by training camp in August.
But it’s more complicated than just adding steps, Weinke notes. “He’s used to [having the ball snapped], getting the ball and going,” Weinke says. “Now he has to make decisions while he takes the ball.” So as Goff gets the ball at the line of scrimmage and retreats back to the position he’s comfortable with, he enters what Weinke calls “information overload.”
“A veteran guy doesn’t have to think about his footwork—he just does it,” Weinke says. “A young guy, he’s always thinking, and then his motor skills slow down. He learned the language, then has to think functionally and act physically.” According to Weeden, whose college offense at Oklahoma State was similar to Goff’s, adjusting to turning your back to the defense was a tremendous struggle. “That’s a really hard thing to learn,” Weinke says. “It’s awkward to turn your back to linebackers, then get your eyes up and find the defenders again.”
The complexities stretch beyond footwork. The terminology is different, and seven months after he was handed the playbook, Goff can, according to Weinke, “speak the language and articulate it.” But he also must execute it.
At Cal, the quarterback had significantly fewer responsibilities. Tony Franklin, Goff’s offensive coordinator at Cal, often discussed how Goff was given more freedom than any of his previous quarterbacks. Indeed, Cal’s offense evolved with Goff over three years, as the coaches gave him more flexibility, according to Chris B. Brown, author of The Art of Smart Football, who has written about Air Raid offenses extensively. “By Goff’s final season he could change plays more often, and they were running variations of more formations,” Brown says. “They also did some stuff with protections on the back side, where they’d block the defensive line then let Goff read the linebackers, so it wasn’t totally like he was getting teed off.”Cal’s offense included run-pass options (RPOs) in which the quarterback, post-snap, chooses whether to run or pass the ball with a series of simplified reads. “As far as RPOs and packaged plays, nobody did it more than Cal,” Brown says. “Literally every play, it was layered on.”
Brown explains further: “It was a binary read—two plays going at once. Look at the weak-side linebacker; if he does this, throw it here, and if he doesn’t, hand it off. It’s not necessarily, ‘Look at the coverage and then identify which side of the field he’s going to work and run a strict progression there.’ Which Goff can do, but he has to do it in a different context.”Says Weinke: “Conceptually there were things he did in college that we do here; we just call it something different or take it to the next level, where he always has to identify the linebackers, make protection changes, every play. As it relates to run-pass options and things he did in college? We have that in our offense, so we have those things he can do. But there is more now. We hear about it all the time—how the college game is transferring, or not transferring, to the NFL game at the quarterback position. Well, here’s a case where it just takes time.”
Time means reps, and once the Rams determined in training camp that Goff wouldn’t be their starter, the bulk of first-team reps went to Keenum. While this slowed Goff’s learning process, it satisfied the Rams’ short-term interest (getting Keenum ready each week) while preserving the long-term vision. Fisher says the Rams decided to dress Goff as the third quarterback in Week 1 this season so he could see everything that Sean Mannion, the backup, did during the week to prepare. The next week Goff was promoted to No. 2 because the coaching staff felt he could play if needed. Last week’s bye afforded the opportunity for Goff to get a significant number first-team reps. But will he play?
For now it appears the Rams will finish out the plan they committed to, whether it’s right or wrong: insert Goff when they believe he is perfectly polished, then hope the wait was worth it.November 4, 2016 at 3:02 pm #56818wvParticipantWhy cant pro teams use the simple, qb-friendly Air Raid offense? Why wouldnt it work in the pros?
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vNovember 4, 2016 at 3:10 pm #56820znModeratorWhy cant pro teams use the simple, qb-friendly Air Raid offense? Why wouldnt it work in the pros?
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vFrom what I know about it? Too simple. It wouldn’t work against pro defenses.
Think…every team in the league had a chance over the last few years to draft an Air Raid qb and switch to an Air Raid offense. No one did it that way. IN each case the qb has to undergo a learning process.
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November 4, 2016 at 6:12 pm #56828AgamemnonParticipantNovember 4, 2016 at 6:39 pm #56832AgamemnonParticipantNovember 5, 2016 at 5:28 pm #56918sanbaggerParticipantThat’s a good breakdown. Thanks for posting the article, I enjoyed the read.
November 5, 2016 at 11:03 pm #56931znModeratorRams approach fork in the road on when Jared Goff should step in at quarterback
VINCENT BONSIGNORE
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/goff-734496-rams-keenum.html
On the final practice before the Rams broke for their bye week, rookie quarterback Jared Goff took the majority of snaps with the first-team offense.
Without the benefit of actual game action to assess Goff’s progress, his extended work against the Rams front-line defense last Wednesday opened a window into just how far he’s come since the end of training camp.
Coupled with the Rams’ plunge in the standings – should it continue against the Carolina Panthers – the progress Goff showed may have created a new timeline from which they finally decide to get him on the field.
What we have, essentially, is a franchise rapidly approaching a crossroads in which present and future objectives will meet.
And Case Keenum, the incumbent starter, appears more aware than ever of the looming fork in the road.
Keenum spoke recently about being the starter “this week” and how he’s taking things “a week at a time.”
It’s the first time all season Keenum has referred to his hold on the starting job in such tenuous terms. That it comes during a three-game losing streak – and immediately after he threw four interceptions in a frustrating loss to the New York Giants – is striking.
Almost as if instincts are telling him a fourth straight loss could be the catalyst for change.
Which means he might be facing a must-win situation when the Rams host the Panthers Sunday at the Coliseum.
Win, and keep the job. Lose, and give way to Goff.
It would be the right thing to do.
For the moment, the Rams remain on the fringe of the NFC West race. That’s more a product of what the rest of the division hasn’t done than what the Rams have, but as long as the division title is legitimately within reach, Keenum should stay the starter with Goff developing in the background.
That’s been the plan almost from the moment the Rams selected Goff, at which point they hoisted themselves onto two separate train tracks.
On one, they hoped to finally turn the corner from the 7-9 teams they’ve been under Jeff Fisher to a legitimate playoff contender. Keenum was the quarterback they counted on to navigate them across that route.
On the other, they’d quietly and prudently develop Goff, the undisputed future face of the franchise. As some close to Fisher explain it, he would follow a similar blueprint he used 21 years ago with Steve McNair as coach of the Houston Oilers.
McNair arrived in Houston a talented but raw prospect from tiny Alcorn State, then spent two years learning and developing behind the scenes. From that quiet place, an eventual Super Bowl quarterback emerged.
“He hasn’t wavered from his plan,” one source said. “He kept Steve McNair off the field and played Chris Chandler for a year and he liked the results.”
Ideally, the Rams hope the two train tracks run parallel to each other this year, but the three-game losing streak they’ve stumbled into has reduced their best regular-season start in years to an all-too-familiar 3-4 mark near the midpoint.
And it’s created the very intersection they hoped to avoid.
The justification for deliberately bringing along Goff in the classroom and on the practice field only holds up if the Rams remain in the playoff race.
As long as they are, Keenum deserves the chance to keep playing.
But they are barely hanging on at this point, and a loss to the Panthers essentially cuts the chord completely.
Keenum isn’t solely to blame, although his 10 interceptions through seven games is alarmingly high and the three pick-six touchdown interceptions he’s thrown have played big in two losses.
Still, he’s merely part of a larger Rams’ problem.
Of bigger concern is rolling with him out of foolish hope the playoffs are within reach, and in the process squandering the chance to develop Goff over the remaining eight games.
If the Rams lose Sunday to the Panthers, all remaining rational to stick with Keenum is lost.
Which brings us back to Goff, and his work with the first-team offense last week.
The progress was apparent in how decisive he looked, his command at the line of scrimmage and quickly the ball was coming out of his hand. On two occasions, he unleashed passes that drew oohs and ahhs from teammates watching on the sideline.
It was only practice, but for anyone who has watched Goff since OTAs the leap forward was obvious.
And for Rams coaches, it was a turning point. Goff has impressed them with his progress in the classroom the last few weeks by asking more advanced questions and delving beyond just the initial layer of play concepts and defensive looks to more nuanced details.
Now they were seeing it in real time.
“I thought it came to fruition on the practice field,” offensive coordinator Rob Boras said. “That practice Wednesday, I thought it was great. To me, and you guys that are watching practice, how fast he’s getting in and out of the huddle. You could just see the confidence with what was going on. The wheels weren’t turning when he got up to the line of scrimmage, and he was real accurate, and decisive with what he was doing.
“I’ve kept talking about how well he’s been doing in the classroom; it was time to see it out here with all those reps that he got. I think we were all really pleased to see what was able to do in those couple of practices.”
Point being, Goff is closing in on being ready to take the field.
As long as the Rams remain in legitimate playoff contention, there is justification to keep Goff on the sideline and let him develop in the background.
But the intersection between what they’d prefer to do and what they should is looming close and closer.
And you get the sense that everyone from the coaching staff to Keenum can see it up ahead.
November 5, 2016 at 11:39 pm #56933ZooeyModeratora loss to the Panthers essentially cuts the chord completely.
Sometimes I wish I wasn’t an English teacher.
November 6, 2016 at 12:13 am #56934znModeratora loss to the Panthers essentially cuts the chord completely.
Sometimes I wish I wasn’t an English teacher.
It’s a clever musical reference.
Though to be honest I am not entirely sure what it means.
November 6, 2016 at 6:07 am #56938Eternal RamnationParticipantSo the Rams are a QB away from being a playoff team trade two years draft picks away to move up and past at least 3 day one starters including Wentz who was perfect for the Rams offense and pick Goff who can’t help for a year oh yeah, and they already have Mannion who already sat for a year. I may have to write in Jeff Fisher Tuesday.
November 6, 2016 at 9:58 am #56950ZooeyModeratorSo where is our on the spot reporter to say, “The Rams reverted to Keenum on ________, working him with the 1s to prepare for Carolina,” or “Hmm. Goff is still with the 1s even though Keenum would ordinarily be working in the game plan by now”?
November 6, 2016 at 10:42 am #56960znModerator33-year-old journeyman quarterback explains why he’s envious that No. 1 pick Jared Goff hasn’t played a game in his rookie season
Scott Davis
Business Insiderhttp://sports.yahoo.com/news/33-old-journeyman-quarterback-explains-165459660.html
With the NFL season at its midway point, No. 1 draft pick Jared Goff has yet to play a single snap for the 3-4 Los Angeles Rams. And from the sounds of it, the Rams don’t have plans to throw him into NFL actions just yet.
Rams coach Jeff Fisher explained to MMQB’s Emily Kaplan that, despite the number of rookie quarterbacks playing across the league, the Rams are content to let Goff watch from the sidelines and develop.
While that may anger some Rams fans who want to see the quarterback for whom the team surrendered a bounty of future draft picks, some within the NFL believe the Rams’ strategy is smart.
One such supporter is Brandon Weeden, a 33-year-old backup quarterback with the Texans, his third team since being drafted by the Browns in 2012. Weeden told Kaplan that coming out of college, he simply wasn’t prepared for professional defenses that are significantly more talented and complex than college.
“I look at what the Rams are doing and I think it’s awesome. By having Case Keenum on the roster, Goff can have a year, a half a year, and redshirt to learn the NFL game. That’s huge. My rookie year, I had no idea what I was doing a lot of the time. I knew coverages, but they are just so much more complex, dissecting everything — it was impossible. I wish I had been in a situation like Goff’s where I wasn’t forced to be thrown into the fire.”
According to Kaplan, the Rams are aware of the risk of throwing a young quarterback into the fire too soon, reportedly spooked by the struggles of Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles.
Much of this stems from the “Air Raid” offense that Goff, and many other quarterbacks, ran in college, which varies significantly from NFL offenses. The language, mechanics, and play-calling responsibilities are different in the NFL, and many quarterbacks coming from college offenses need time to learn it before going out on the field to execute.
While it’s arguable that Goff can’t learn and adjust while holding a clipboard on the sideline, for now, it seems people within the Rams believe it’s in Goff’s best interest to continue sitting out. Fisher said he believes Goff could play in the NFL right now, but as Weeden suggested, “redshirting” for a year may be better for Goff in the long run.November 6, 2016 at 11:00 pm #57077znModerator…
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