at least Tavon is stepping up (including all 22 analysis of the long run)

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November 30, 2015 at 2:09 am #34893

zn
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from off the net

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Tavon playing his heart out. Plenty of us have had some doubts whether Tavon was worth the trade up pick and there still may be some doubters. but it’s been obvious now it’s Tavon and Gurely trying to do anything and right now the line is too embarrassing to even help Gurely in the smallest. but every week I see Tavon trying to give it his all even if it backfires sometimes. never question this guys drive to win or his ability to be explosive even the analyst expressed their views Tavon would be great with any consistent QB and sideline WR help to take pressure off him. but right now you give this kid an extension or resign him or whatever in the future cus if this offense EVER gets off the ground it will be Tavon creating the surge with his explosive plays then Gurley pounding up the middle. A decent QB and extra Oline help. Austin better be a Ram a few years from now

November 30, 2015 at 2:13 am #34894

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On one play I saw something I haven’t seen before.

Don’t quite remember the play it happened on. Was it a punt return? Or the offensive run where he reversed field to make something happen? Either way Tavon didn’t have much room and was doing a lot of lateral running trying to set up a crease…defenders everywhere…and he gets out of bounds finally on the Bengals sideline.

And this Bengals player came up to him and just pats him on the shoulder him on the shoulder, the old “way to go!” style gesture, full of admiration and respect. It really was “way to go!”

Like I said I have never seen that before.

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November 30, 2015 at 7:10 am #34896

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I think most of the ‘doubters’ dont really question
his talent, they just question his ‘durability.’
How long can the little guy last and keep
his speed, before injuries slow him down.

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November 30, 2015 at 8:50 am #34899

Agamemnon
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The only guy I wanted to trade up for was Steven Jackson, after he dropped past 20. I don’t believe in trading up. It is a losing strategy. I like Austin being a Ram, but I don’t do trade ups. Later in the draft is better, but trading up past 20 is not a winning play. imo

Agamemnon

November 30, 2015 at 8:52 am #34900
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Agamemnon wrote:

The only guy I wanted to trade up for was Steven Jackson, after he dropped past 20. I don’t believe in trading up. It is a losing strategy. I like Austin being a Ram, but I don’t do trade ups. Later in the draft is better, but trading up past 20 is not a winning play.

Why is it a losing play?

Orlando Pace?

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November 30, 2015 at 8:57 am #34904

Agamemnon
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wv wrote:

Why is it a losing play?

Orlando Pace?

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v

Orlando Pace was another trade up that I didn’t like. I wanted to stay at 6 and pick Walter Jones. Although I will say this, DV got Pace at an under the market price. He refused to add our 2cd round pick.

I was doing this type of strategy way before the proof came out. The proof is the new Draft Trade Value Chart, which nobody uses. 😉

Agamemnon

November 30, 2015 at 9:11 am #34907

wv
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Agamemnon wrote:

wv wrote:

Why is it a losing play?

Orlando Pace?

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Orlando Pace was another trade up that I didn’t like. I wanted to stay at 6 and pick Walter Jones. Although I will say this, DV got Pace at an under the market price. He refused to add our 2cd round pick.

I was doing this type of strategy way before the proof came out. The proof is the new Draft Trade Value Chart, which nobody uses.

Alrighty then, lets Trade Down.

w
v

November 30, 2015 at 9:18 am #34909
Agamemnon
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wv wrote:

Alrighty then, lets Trade Down.

w
v

That is the flip side. It is better to be a seller than an buyer in that market. But, you don’t want to trade out of a class, group, tier of talent. You don’t want to miss a chance to get a blue chip player. You ask why? That doesn’t seem to compute. It is because then I am not paying premium. I am getting a value. It is sort of the difference between paying cash or bartering. That is what cause the apparent dichotomy in the logic.

That is sort of the other side of the Pace trade, too. After the Tuna trade with DV, he trade out of the Jones pick and ended up with a pile of average.
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November 30, 2015 at 9:30 am #34912

zn
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wv wrote:

I think most of the ‘doubters’ dont really question
his talent, they just question his ‘durability.’
How long can the little guy last and keep
his speed, before injuries slow him down.

w
v

What I saw from most of the doubters around different places was them questioning his value. Picked so high, he’s just a limited gimmick player, and so on. I actually rarely see people question his durability. Not that they couldn’t, it’s a fair question…but they don’t, as a rule. Other things came up before that did. Many of the doubters measure him as a pure receiver (I don’t…I think you measure him in terms of combined yards.) Part of it was a debate about “was it Schott or was it Tavon.” That is, was Schott just not using him, cause he didn;t know how. MY take was that they used him to the extent they COULD use him, and he just needed to work on his game. Which he did, and it shows.

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November 30, 2015 at 9:37 am #34913

Agamemnon
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You can think of stuff this way too. After so many years it is irrelevant to what happened in a previous year. Pretty soon it won’t make any difference that we drafted Long instead of Dorsey, way back when. 😉

Agamemnon

November 30, 2015 at 9:50 am #34916

bnw
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None of it matters if your pick is a bust.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

November 30, 2015 at 10:00 am #34921

Agamemnon
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bnw wrote:

None of it matters if your pick is a bust.

That is absolutely correct. But for the sake of conversation we are assuming that isn’t the case.

Agamemnon

December 1, 2015 at 1:47 am #34978

zn
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zn wrote:

On one play I saw something I haven’t seen before.

Don’t quite remember the play it happened on. Was it a punt return? Or the offensive run where he reversed field to make something happen? Either way Tavon didn’t have much room and was doing a lot of lateral running trying to set up a crease…defenders everywhere…and he gets out of bounds finally on the Bengals sideline.

And this Bengals player came up to him and just pats him on the shoulder, the old “way to go!” style gesture, full of admiration and respect. It really was “way to go!”

Like I said I have never seen that before.

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It’s this play. My description above was from memory and not entirely accurate but more or less right.

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And here is the long run… from a vid showing top 5 runs of week 12. Tavon is #3. It starts at 2:20 in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93PzUysZ2jw

December 2, 2015 at 6:45 am #35006

zn
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All 22: Austin’s 60-Yard Run

Insider Myles Simmons breaks down wide receiver Tavon Austin’s 60-yard run against the Bengals.

http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/All-22-Austins-60-Yard-Run/5722fb57-3b24-4205-87a5-3b237e054d69
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