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  • #72614
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    https://www.downtownrams.com/single-post/2017/08/15/Aaron-Donald-Holdout-Has-No-End-In-Sight

    Aaron Donald Holdout Has No End In Sight

    August 15, 2017

    | By: Sheriff Joe Bags

    Aaron Donald and the Los Angeles Rams are in a stand-off and according to Adam Schefter, it could go on for a while.

    Reports broke on Tuesday that the Rams offered Donald a contract that would make him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. A deal that Aaron Donald turned down.

    The internet is buzzing about a deal worth $120 million over a six year span. On the surface, it sounds like that is exactly the kind of deal that Donald has been pushing for. So why would he say no?

    Well it sounds like Aaron Donald is looking for an opt-out clause after the third year of the contract. A lot of Rams fans have not taken this news well. Why would Donald want an opt-out clause? Why would he turn down a deal that would make him the highest paid defender in the league?

    Aaron Donald is a smart man. He knows that the 6-year $120 million deal that was offered would not stand as the most lucrative defensive contract for very long and that number would likely be topped by Oakland Raiders star LB, Khalil Mack in the 2018 off-season. Having the opt-out clause would give Donald the ability to scrap his contract after three seasons and start over and try to top the charts again.

    After hearing the news of the contract and the details that Donald’s camp was missing, it didn’t feel like a stretch to say that a deal would likely be done soon. Adam Schefter disagrees and is now saying that there is no telling how long this holdout could go on.

    This puts the Rams in an interesting situation as the opt-out clause that Donald’s side is asking for doesn’t give the team peace of mind. Locking up one of the best defensive linemen this league has seen in years is something the team would obviously like to do, but Aaron Donald is just one player.

    So what is the solution? Aaron Donald is looking out for Aaron Donald (see: We Not Me), and the Los Angeles Rams are looking out for the Los Angeles Rams.

    The solution to this issue could simply be time. Aaron Donald wants to play football noted in a quote from Rams defensive tackle Michael Brockers who said that Donald wants to be on the field and that it’s “killing” him that he is not playing. Will the desire to play outweigh the desire for the opt-out clause? Will the Rams start the season without Donald on the line and realize that the opt-out clause is worth having maybe the best player in the NFL on the field and cave? For that answer, we will have to first see if the season begins and Donald is still sitting at home.

    One of the more interesting parts of the Rams offer to Donald is their current salary cap situation. Right now the Rams are projected to have under $2 million after the preseason cuts come. Offering an average of $20 million a year to one player could make the opt-out clause that much more interesting. The contract would have to be back loaded as the Rams simply don’t have $20 million to spare at the moment. Back loading the contract could see his most lucrative years being in the final three. Making the decision to opt-out a little more difficult for the Pro Bowl lineman.

    This contract issue has had fans stirring about what the Rams should do and what Donald should do, but I do not think it’s a stretch to say that any Rams fan would rather have Donald on the field instead of at home or even worse, on a different team. This holdout has had a negative impact on the team and the fans and with all of the information we have right now, it would appear as if only one side is actually making an effort.

    Todd France, Aaron Donald’s agent, is known as one of the powerhouse agents in the NFL and has a number of big name clients such as Demaryius Thomas, Fletcher Cox, Joey Bosa, Julio Jones, JJ Watt, and Ndamukong Suh. Some of which are near the top of their positions as far as salary goes. Todd France does not give in easily.

    Aaron Donald is under contract for the next two seasons as the Rams have picked up his 5th-year option. Worst case scenario, Donald does not play for any team for two full seasons. After those two years are up, the Rams have a few options as far as franchise tags go, but it’s hard to believe that any player would holdout for two years in their prime.

    If there is one thing I can leave you with to feel a little bit better about the situation, it’s that the Rams want Aaron Donald on the field and Aaron Donald wants to be on the field. Right now, we have more questions than answers. Aaron Donald is not doing himself any favors as far as his reputation with Rams fans go, though.

    The idea of an ‘opt-out clause’ is new. My first thought is that I would not go for it.

    Agamemnon

    #72635
    PA Ram
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    Nope. If being the highest paid defensive player isn’t good enough then there’s nothing to talk about. Sit out and start missing paychecks. See how that works out. The team isn’t going to the Superbowl anyway. Time to play hardball. The Rams would be stupid to give him that opt out.

    If he wants more, play this year and sign a future contract worth more. He’s valuable, of course. But every valuable player will want this. They won’t be able to manage a cap with any kind of certainty.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #72645
    snowman
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    Another guy with a blog speculating on what the Rams have offered Donald. If this was becoming a bad marriage, wouldn’t one side or both be leaking information to the press? And by press I don’t mean guys like sherriff baggie.

    I can’t take this guy seriously until he makes Marshal.

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    #72654
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    After thinking about the opt-out clause, I would consider it after 5 years. Another approach would be to make Donald’s salary a percent of the Cap instead of a set dollar amount.

    Agamemnon

    #72659
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i’m freaking out, man!

    seriously though. just want to see him playing football again. if he can get the opt out clause good for him. if he can’t, then oh well. but i’ll never feel sorry for the team when a player is trying to squeeze as much as he can out of them. and i’ll also never feel sorry for a player if he’s being made the highest paid player in the league.

    i just want to see donald playing this year for the rams and into the future. he’s gonna be special.

    #72662
    Avatar photozn
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    One of the more interesting parts of the Rams offer to Donald is their current salary cap situation. Right now the Rams are projected to have under $2 million after the preseason cuts come. Offering an average of $20 million a year to one player could make the opt-out clause that much more interesting. The contract would have to be back loaded as the Rams simply don’t have $20 million to spare at the moment. Back loading the contract could see his most lucrative years being in the final three. Making the decision to opt-out a little more difficult for the Pro Bowl lineman.

    That’s not true. On this, the writer is just clueless. You can structure a contract that takes advantage of early cap years like 2018. You don’t just get 20 M a year.

    #72671
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    One of the more interesting parts of the Rams offer to Donald is their current salary cap situation. Right now the Rams are projected to have under $2 million after the preseason cuts come. Offering an average of $20 million a year to one player could make the opt-out clause that much more interesting. The contract would have to be back loaded as the Rams simply don’t have $20 million to spare at the moment. Back loading the contract could see his most lucrative years being in the final three. Making the decision to opt-out a little more difficult for the Pro Bowl lineman.

    That’s not true. On this, the writer is just clueless. You can structure a contract that takes advantage of early cap years like 2018. You don’t just get 20 M a year.

    What they can do is takes his 1.8m, convert 1.1m to signing bonus over the length of the contract. That gives you 1.1m/yr in bonus. Do it again in 2018. 6.8m minus the old 1.1m, the 5.7m minus the minimum salary lets you give 5m/yr in signing bonus for the rest of the contract. Then you are home free for 2019 and on. Make his salary whatever you want.
    That way you have no impact on the Salary Cap this year or next. Donal gets 6 to 8 million cash this year and 25 to 35 million cash next year.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 3 months ago by Avatar photoAgamemnon.
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    Agamemnon

    #72691
    Herzog
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    Ok…. if this infOrmation is true…. than I am pissed. I never thought Donald would skip training camp with a new coach and a new defense. Now he’s holding out when offered highest paid player in the NFL? For an opt out clause? Are your freaking kidding me?

    They can just keep him at his current contact and then franchise him. They GET 3 years anyway, why in the hell would they give him an opt out clause. The whole point of re-negotiating the contract is to get long term security.

    Screw this shit

    #72696
    Avatar photozn
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    What they can do is takes his 1.8m, convert 1.1m to signing bonus over the length of the contract.

    Couldn’t they do this? He has a 2017 salary of 1.8 M and a pro-rated bonus of 1.4. Since the cap doesn’t care, you take that entire 1.8 + 1.4 M, and convert it all a new pro-rated bonus. That keeps 3.2 M on the books for the 2017 cap, but at the same time hands him a 19.2 M bonus. You then guarantee 40-50 M in the next couple of years, sometimes in roster bonuses, sometimes in salary.

    Either way, the idea that they don;t have cap space, as I know you know, is just dead wrong. The writer of the above article doesn’t seem to get that.

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    #72699
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    What they can do is takes his 1.8m, convert 1.1m to signing bonus over the length of the contract.

    Couldn’t they do this? He has a 2017 salary of 1.8 M and a pro-rated bonus of 1.4. Since the cap doesn’t care, you take that entire 1.8 + 1.4 M, and convert it all a new pro-rated bonus. That keeps 3.2 M on the books for the 2017 cap, but at the same time hands him a 19.2 M bonus. You then guarantee 40-50 M in the next couple of years, sometimes in roster bonuses, sometimes in salary.

    Either way, the idea that they don;t have cap space, as I know you know, is just dead wrong. The writer of the above article doesn’t seem to get that.

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    That pro rated bonus was paid long ago(2014) and you have to a minimum wage to pay.
    All I was showing was that they could write Donald’s contract and not affect the Cap for 2017 and 2018.

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    Agamemnon

    #72717
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    Rams, Steelers taking very different approaches with high-profile holdouts

    Mike Florio

    Rams, Steelers taking very different approaches with high-profile holdouts

    At a time when the Steelers repeatedly are squeezing running back Le’Veon Bell to show up for training camp, the Rams are applying a much different approach to defensive tackle Aaron Donald.

    Appearing on Thursday’s PFT Live, Rams G.M. Les Snead declined to characterize Donald’s expectations for a new contract, praised his ability to disrupt an offensive line even during OTA sessions, and said nothing about Donald’s ability to be ready for the season based on his decision to boycott practices and preseason games. And Snead would have every right to pressure Donald.

    Donald, unlike Bell, is under contract. He’s violating the contract by not being at camp. The Rams have every right to chastise him for not being there, but they’re not.

    Bell isn’t under contract. He’s merely exercise the rights that the Steelers gave him by exercising their right to apply the franchise tag. And yet the Steelers are now consistently calling him out for not showing up.

    Some will say that people like G.M. Kevin Colbert and coach Mike Tomlin are merely answering the questions they’re asked, but Snead could use that same excuse as cover for lambasting Donald, if he wanted.

    The end game for Donald is less clear than it is for Bell. At a salary of $12.1 million this year, Bell likely will show up in time to cash every check, even if he isn’t prepared for Week One. Donald, at a salary of only (only?) $1.8 million, would be losing less by skipping games.

    Here’s another big difference between the two: The Steelers could still yank the $12.1 million offer, at any point before Bell signs it. If, as it appears, they aren’t willing to offer him more money or any other inducement to get him to show up and if, as it appears, Bell isn’t willing to show up without it, the exasperation that comes through in comments from Colbert and Tomlin could morph into a decision to pocket the $12.1 million and wish Bell luck in his effort to get a similar deal in early September.

    #72729
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    Adam Schefter
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    Rams DT Aaron Donald’s holdout is threatening to last into the regular season, per league sources. One source speculated that he could envision Donald sitting out 2017, though a lot can change in any negotiation in a hurry. But the fact that such strong thoughts exist now provides a snapshot into where the two sides are today: not particularly close to a deal. The two sides will stay in touch, but today there is pessimism about how long Donald’s holdout could last.

    #72732
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    Rams dealing with reported threat of Aaron Donald regular-season holdout

    RICH HAMMOND

    link: http://www.ocregister.com/2017/08/17/rams-dealing-with-reported-threat-of-aaron-donald-regular-season-holdout/

    IRVINE – When will Aaron Donald show up? Or, more to the point, will he show up?

    Donald’s contract holdout seemed to take a turn toward contentiousness Thursday morning when ESPN reported, through unnamed sources, that Donald might not join the Rams for the start of the season.

    Those sources, almost certainly, did not come from UC Irvine, where the Rams wrapped up their 18-day training camp Thursday. The Rams have declined, publicly and privately, to divulge details of their negotiations with Donald’s agent, Todd France, who previously didn’t respond to interview requests.

    It seems clear that, with Donald’s holdout approaching the three-week mark, and the Sept. 10 season opener on the horizon, someone is attempting to turn up the heat on the Rams.

    Will it work?

    “Whether that report is true or not,” Coach Sean McVay said Thursday, “we’re continuing to try to find a solution, and we’ve got some time until that does come. We’ve got to always have contingency plans in place, but like I said, that doesn’t change our approach. We’re still trying to find that solution and get Aaron here and be a part of what we’re doing. And if not, we need to be ready to adjust.”

    The Rams play a preseason game Saturday at Oakland. After that, the practice schedule gets tighter. Most of the defense already has been installed, and not only has Donald missed all of training camp, but he also missed most of the team’s voluntary offseason program.

    Even though Donald unquestionably is one of NFL’s most talented players, getting him up to speed on the new system of defensive coordinator Wade Phillips before Sept. 10 could be an issue.

    That assumes, of course, that Donald’s holdout doesn’t continue into mid-September. Fellow defensive lineman Michael Brockers said he remains confident Donald will show up before then.
    “Oh yeah. Oh yeah,” Brockers said. “I have a good feeling he will come back. It’s just about the (contract) numbers and stuff that I don’t want to get into. But I know he will be back sometime soon.”

    It’s a complicated, perhaps unprecedented situation. Donald, 26, is a dominant defender who has made the Pro Bowl in each of his first three seasons. But under the NFL’s rookie-contract structure, Donald is set to make approximately $1.8 million this season. The Rams recently picked up his contract option for 2018, when he would make almost $6.9 million.

    Donald seems to be thinking bigger, perhaps north of the six-year, $114-million deal Ndamukong Suh signed with Miami in 2015, one that included $60 million in guaranteed money.

    The issue for the Rams is, they have Donald locked up for two more seasons and a reasonable salary. They seem open to signing him to a major, long-term contract, but as always in contract talks, factors such as monetary structure and option years can be stumbling blocks.

    Meanwhile, Rams players continue their on-field work. The defensive line took a big hit less than a week into camp when starting end Dominique Easley tore his ACL. The Rams have been going with Ethan Westbrooks and Louis Trinca-Pasat as bookends for Brockers, their defensive tackle.

    “It’s a ‘you’ve just got to go on’ type of thing,” Brockers said. “You don’t want to make it a distraction, and it’s really not a distraction. We understand the business, and we let that be that, and we take care of what we can control. That’s what it’s really about. It’s not a distraction.

    “We know what we’re going to get when he comes back. He’s a plug-in guy, so as long as we can get him up to speed on the plays, and stuff like that, we’ll be fine.”

    It’s also an unenviable situation for McVay, the Rams’ first-year coach who has worked hard to foster a team-first mentality since his hiring in January. Now, his team’s best player is holding out.

    McVay said he doesn’t take it personally and, in fact, when Donald spoke briefly in June at a youth football camp, he was effusive in his praise of McVay’s acumen. McVay and other Rams executives have been careful to express their respect for Donald and not escalate the holdout situation.

    “I can appreciate about Aaron is, he loves this game,” McVay said. “He’s all about the right stuff. He’s one of those players that coaches love to work with. He’s one of those players who, he’s why you coach, to be around players like that. You also respect and understand that this is how people make their living.

    “It certainly isn’t something, now that I have a better understanding, that I take personally. It’s something where our organization and Aaron’s people are trying to come to a solution. We’re hopeful, and we’re still optimistic, that we’ll be able to get that done.”

    #72735
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    It seems we are getting close to playing a game of chicken. Nobody is going to win that. Donald won’t have a big contract and we won’t have a player.

    Agamemnon

    #72737
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    it’d be a bummer if donald didn’t play to start the season. he’s a helluvalotta fun to watch that’s for sure.

    #72756
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    If the Rams have in fact, offered Donald a 6 year extension for $120 million, plus extra for 2017 and 2018, he should take it. They could have a total payout of $157 million over 8 years and be ok with the Salary Cap and structure. imo
    Donald would lose ~28 million if he didn’t take it. imo
    I won’t walk anyone through this, so don’t ask. You just have to believe me or not.

    Agamemnon

    #72758
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    I won’t walk anyone through this, so don’t ask. You just have to believe me or not.

    Ah. So. You’re holding out.

    People believe you ag.

    #72768
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    No way Aaron Donald skips the season

    Mike Florio

    No way Aaron Donald skips the season

    The report from ESPN’s Adam Schefter regarding the pessimism surrounding the Aaron Donald holdout includes a claim from an unnamed source that the Rams defensive tackle may sit out the entire season. Regardless, there’s no way that will happen.

    Apart from the fact that hardly any who huff and puff about skipping a full season ever do, Donald gains nothing by not playing this year. He gets no compensation (duh) and, more importantly, he doesn’t get a year of credit toward finishing his contract.

    The Rams hold Donald’s rights for two more years. If he skips the full season, they’ll still hold his rights for two more years.

    The key will be to show up on time to get the benefit of the Joey Galloway ruling from nearly a generation ago. League insiders believe eight games are the most that can be missed by a player under contract in order to comfortabley take advantage of the Galloway ruling.

    Donald already has forfeited a year of service toward free agency, but that doesn’t matter since he’s under contract for two more years. If he misses more than eight games, he risks being in the same position next year that he’s in this year.

    #72792
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I’m not worried until he isn’t here for the last preseason game.

    According to ESPN.com, the Patriots fear that defensive end Derek Rivers will miss the entire season after suffering a knee injury during New England’s joint practice with the Texans on Wednesday.

    And there’s always that.

    #72795
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #72809
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Since 2013 x the Salary Cap has gone up 8% a year.
    $123M x 1.08 = $132.84M
    $133M x 1.08 = $143.46M
    $142.38 x 1.08 = $154.7
    $155.27 x 1.08 = $167.7
    $167 x 1,08 = [$180.36 — projected $178M]
    $180M x 1.08 = [$194.4 — projected $190M]
    $194.4m X 1.08 = [$210m — projected $200M]
    The projections seem to be low if the 8% increase continues. This would give teams more dollar room under future Cap estimates. The Cap could be $210M in 2020.

    Agamemnon

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