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November 29, 2020 at 10:01 am #125019
znModeratorI said it in the chat…9ers match up with the Rams, same way Rams match up with Seattle. They had 2 weeks. Goff had a bad game. They showed heart in taking the lead back but Shanahan always has plays and the Rams came up short.
November 29, 2020 at 7:19 pm #125024
AgamemnonParticipantI figured it would be tough. I thought the offense could have done better.
AgamemnonNovember 29, 2020 at 7:20 pm #125025
joemadParticipantJet lag on a short week is real.
It’s a shame that Van Jefferson wasted Hekker’s last punt.
November 29, 2020 at 7:24 pm #125026
InvaderRamModeratorvery poor game by goff and mcvay.
defense did their job. gave up only 16 points and scored 7 themselves.
running game was stifled outside of that one big gain. but they did score a td.
but 4 turnovers? that was a killer.
November 29, 2020 at 7:55 pm #125030InvaderRamModeratorgoff has to hit hendo on that throw to the endzone. that was a big chance right there.
November 29, 2020 at 8:08 pm #125031
wvParticipantSaw the low-lights. They could probably play ten times in a row and there wouldnt be much variation in the games. 49ers just matchup well against the Rams, as zn pointed out. And Shannahan seems to have the answers to McV’s offense.
Obviously, Goff made some bonehead plays. I dunno what to say about that. Has he hit his celing? In a slump? Pressing?
Bad loss.
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vNovember 29, 2020 at 8:14 pm #125032InvaderRamModeratorHas he hit his celing? In a slump? Pressing?
i don’t think he’s as bad as this game. but for me i’m calling it. the numbers are in.
he’s slightly above average – a 10-15 qb. he could get marginally better but he’s starting to plateau.
November 29, 2020 at 8:24 pm #125033znModeratorhe’s slightly above average – a 10-15 qb. he could get marginally better but he’s starting to plateau.
I don’t agree. We’ve seen him be better, by which I mean games where he shows a higher ceiling. The question is what causes these down games–which McVay shares the blame for. How come Shanahan can dial up plays for a 2nd stringer against a tough defense and Goff is left to taking coverage sacks?
November 29, 2020 at 8:28 pm #125034znModeratorgoff has to hit hendo on that throw to the endzone. that was a big chance right there.
Timing and chemistry. There’s no such thing as just hitting a deep ball. That’s on both sides of the equation. The more familiar they are they better they can be in those situations. It’s not like Goff missed the spot–they just did not connect. But–have you ever seen DH time up a long pass well and catch it? Has he ever done it?
November 29, 2020 at 8:35 pm #125035InvaderRamModeratori’m surprised mcvay would actually come out and say this.
Sean McVay is extremely blunt tonight.
“Our quarterback has got to take better care of the football.”
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) November 30, 2020
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November 29, 2020 at 8:44 pm #125038InvaderRamModeratorNow I know it’s after a tough loss and the first tendency is to automatically blame the qb.
if that’s all he missed i’d agree. but he had a bad game. and he’s turning the ball over at an alarming rate.
having said that calling him a 10-15 qb is hardly a slight. but i can definitely name 10 qbs who i think are better than him.
at the same time that’s a far cry from saying he’s a bad qb.
November 29, 2020 at 8:45 pm #125039
HramParticipantvery poor game by goff and mcvay.
defense did their job. gave up only 16 points and scored 7 themselves.
running game was stifled outside of that one big gain. but they did score a td.
but 4 turnovers? that was a killer.
Agree with all of your points.
November 29, 2020 at 8:49 pm #125040
HerzogParticipantHad a whole anti Goff post but it got deleted. A good metaphor for his play and ability to rise above.
Give me Woolford
November 29, 2020 at 9:02 pm #125041
Eternal RamnationParticipantThis team sucks.
November 29, 2020 at 9:04 pm #125042
ZooeyModeratorWell, I think Goff has hit his ceiling. He is good, but not great. He plays very well when the game is going well, and he struggles going uphill. I don’t remember a single game where Goff willed the team to victory. He can make very precise throws a lot, but always has that “throw behind Kupp who was open in the flat” kind of thing. That INT was a terrible throw, as bad as Brady’s on Monday. He’s 10-15. And that’s fine… but McVay has not yet figured out how to win, either. He’s a master tactician, and a mediocre strategist. He’s still young and inexperienced, so I wouldn’t say McVay has hit his ceiling, but he’s not elite yet. I don’t see him outfoxing other coaches at this point in his career. I don’t think there’s an excuse for losing this game. There are reasons, but no excuses. A legitimate contender does not lose that game. The Rams are good, and they are playoff bound, and there is still time to get better, but that is a bad loss imo.
Goff’s two TOs were his fault totally. Neither one was a great defensive play. Both were Goff’s errors.
If it weren’t for Aaron Donald, that game would have been much worse.
And what is Jalen doing on the FG? C’mon, man.
The Rams are still in a good position, and I think they still have a good shot of winning the division, but the Super Bowl goes through New Orleans, not Los Angeles, and that’s where we are. The thing is… I don’t know what the Rams do about this. There are no gaping holes on this team. The secondary is outstanding, the DL is very good, the LBs do their job, the OL has been a strength, their RBs are good enough, their TEs are adequate, their WRs are among the best units going, their punter is the best there is, the QB is in the top half of the league and pushing the top third, and it seems they even found an acceptable PK. So… I dunno. It’s a good team, but not a great team, and while they might be able to get a bit better, I think this is basically a team that needs to fire on all cylinders and catch breaks in order to contend for a return trip to Tampa.
November 29, 2020 at 9:09 pm #125043HerzogParticipantI agree with Zooey completely when it comes to Goff. I can’t see us winning a superbowl with a qb that can’t go uphill. I wish it weren’t true but we are wasting this team with him at QB.
November 29, 2020 at 9:24 pm #125044znModerator. I don’t remember a single game where Goff willed the team to victory.
I can. I think the problem is not that he hasn’t done it (he has) it’s that people don’t remember it.
He has to his credit 8 game winning drives and/or comeback wins. Those are situations where if the qb doesn’t come through with little time left, then you don’t win. They include the Green Bay game and the Kansas City game in 2018. They also include the 2018 championship game in New Orleans.
There’s a few others and then…there’s last week.
Last. Week.
At. 3:53 they had a tie game. They then win it on a drive that was entirely passing, leading to the tie breaking FG.
In a game where the Rams could not run and threw the ball 51 times against the league’s 3rd ranked defense (it was at the time, now it’s 6th).
So yeah he has done it.
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November 29, 2020 at 9:34 pm #125045joemadParticipantGoff willed the team to victory in New Orleans in the NFC Championship. Not many QB’s have ever won a playoff game against Brees in NO…. while Gurley rode a stationary bike on the sidelines…Most great QB’s in that position in those conditions lost.
Goff willed the team last year in Seattle but Zuerline missed a chip shot
The year before he willed the team at home vs Seattle, but Kupp dropped a game winning TD.
Goff willed the team last year in SF, but SF converted 2 3rd and 16s in the final drive to win.
It’s a shame Brandon Cooks couldn’t grab a TD pass in the Super Bowl…
Sure Goff struggled today, all QB’s struggle throughout a season… ….the defense played very good today against a struggling offense but the defense also dropped 2 sure picks, missed 2 key tackles and let Debo Sanders make huge conversions.
A short week vs a division rival that is coming off a bye isn’t a given all while missing your all star left tackle.
I’m not sure why McVay isn’t calling more roll out plays..
November 29, 2020 at 9:40 pm #125046Eternal RamnationParticipantThey gave up two drives to a 3 rd string Qb missing half his offense. Never should have been close. We have half a billion tied up in superstar players being out played by mediocre back ups.
November 29, 2020 at 10:06 pm #125047HerzogParticipant. I don’t remember a single game where Goff willed the team to victory.
I can. I think the problem is not that he hasn’t done it (he has) it’s that people don’t remember it.
He has to his credit 9 game winning drives and/or comeback wins. Those are situations where if the qb doesn’t come through with little time left, then you don’t win. They include the Green Bay game and the Kansas City game in 2018. They also include the 2018 championship game in New Orleans.
There’s a few others and then…there’s last week.
Last. Week.
At. 3:53 they had a tie game. They then win it on a drive that was entirely passing, leading to the tie breaking FG.
In a game where the Rams could not run and threw the ball 51 times against the league’s 3rd ranked defense (it was at the time, now it’s 6th).
So yeah he has done it.
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He used to do it, now if it happens, it seems more like luck coupled with a good defense. It hasn’t happened much since 2018.
November 29, 2020 at 10:27 pm #125048InvaderRamModeratorHe used to do it, now if it happens, it seems more like luck coupled with a good defense. It hasn’t happened much since 2018.
well he did lead the rams last week to a game winning drive in the fourth quarter.
he’s a good qb. just not great. i don’t think he will be.
i think his ceiling is an eli manning level qb. consistently 10-15. sometimes pushing top 10. but never great. is he good enough to lead the rams to a superbowl? yes. he doesn’t have to be great to lead the rams to a superbowl.
November 29, 2020 at 10:33 pm #125049ZooeyModeratorWe have different ideas of “will to victory.”
I see that as an incidence in which the team is not performing well, and the QB makes plays he shouldn’t make, beyond the range of expectation. Yes, Goff has led drives that set up wins, but he did so with mostly clean pockets and mostly open receivers. Goff’s not BAD. I’m not advocating turning the page at QB like Herzog is. I think he IS good enough to win a Super Bowl. I don’t think he’s going to ever win an MVP, let alone get inducted into the HOF. Or start a Pro Bowl. Or end a season in the top 3 QBs.
In my life:
1. Warner
2. Bulger
3. Everett
4. GoffI dunno. Chris Miller was good, but played on bad teams, and had his best years elsewhere. I leave Gabriel out because I was a kid and it was the first football I watched, and so I can’t say, really. He was a god to me, but I can’t evaluate anything. So… I give Goff 4th place. He might pass Everett in my estimation, but that’s where I rank him now. He’s good enough. I just think it’s pretty obvious at this point that he’s also capable of screwing a game up, too. He might have screwed up today’s game. He sure didn’t do enough to win it.
November 29, 2020 at 10:46 pm #125052znModeratorWe have different ideas of “will to victory.”
And I bet the qbs that regularly meet your definition are a very short list. I mean throughout the league and across time. Even Warner showed he wasn’t the same when he did not have a top OL, a hall of fame RB, and two hall of fame WRs. In Arizona he did have Fitz.
Meanwhile, it is significant, and not negligible, and part of the actual equation, that Goff has been an important part of several Rams wins that could not have happened without the passing game working at the end of close or tied games.
BTW I rank Goff higher than Bulger and I liked Bulger. There are things Goff can do that Bulger just couldn’t.
November 29, 2020 at 11:00 pm #125054ZooeyModeratorWe have different ideas of “will to victory.”
And I bet the qbs that regularly meet your definition are a very short list. I mean throughout the league and across time. Even Warner showed he wasn’t the same when he did not have a top OL, a hall of fame RB, and two hall of fame WRs. In Arizona he did have Fitz.
Meanwhile, it is significant, and not negligible, and part of the actual equation, that Goff has been an important part of several Rams wins that could not have happened without the passing game working at the end of close or tied games.
BTW I rank Goff higher than Bulger and I liked Bulger. There are things Goff can do that Bulger just couldn’t.
Okay, so I’m not sure how far apart we really are here because I agree with that (except I like Bulger better), but I can’t help but filter your opinion with the knowledge that you were called out today in the Chat for womanly cowardice by somebody, and I think that tarnishes your opinion somewhat.
November 29, 2020 at 11:08 pm #125056znModeratoryou were called out today in the Chat for womanly cowardice by somebody, and I think that tarnishes your opinion somewhat.
You are, sad to say, not in enough chats.
You don’t seem to realize that being called that in our chat room is a high compliment of the first order.
I blush when I hear it again.
All I can do in response is curtsey modestly, and giggle.
November 29, 2020 at 11:33 pm #125057AgamemnonParticipantBTW I rank Goff higher than Bulger and I liked Bulger.
**** BOARD WARS ****
I like Bulger. Goff I am just ok with.
AgamemnonNovember 29, 2020 at 11:37 pm #125058InvaderRamModeratorI like Bulger. Goff I am just ok with.
mmmm… need more data.
November 29, 2020 at 11:42 pm #125060InvaderRamModeratori do wonder how bulger would do with today’s rules that protect qbs and in mcvay’s offense where he isn’t being hung out to dry.
but. in a few years goff will surpass bulger for me just based on longevity.
November 29, 2020 at 11:44 pm #125061HerzogParticipantFeel like Goff is drunk or stoned some games… I dunno
November 30, 2020 at 12:23 am #125064znModerator -
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