101, 07/28 – Warner; Evan Silva

laram wrote:

Yes we know how you feel, I was actually talking to wv. Your excuses for Bradford and the o-line and injuries, yada, yada yada is well documented.

I don’t care about any of that.

The facts are his career average is around 6.2 ypa in 4 seasons in the NFL.

He threw very similar passes in college.

Gunslinger is your word. Nobody is asking for that.

Just look to push the ball downfield and step on teams necks when the opportunity is there.

You need to be able to do that to win in this league.

Expecting him to all of a sudden become a gunslinger is unrealistic.

Nobody expects that.

Well, see, what to you are “excuses” are to me “reasons.” I suppose if I were to take the conversation the wrong way, I could call your own “reasons” something else too. (To be clear, I don’t have any “something else” in mind, just pointing to a principle of fair discourse.) But all that’s really happening is that we differ in our opinions. And that’s fine.

The way I see it, when these coaches had a version of the offense they want (in 2012), and had it all 16 games (ie. running threat, play action), Bradford was 7th in the league in passing plays of 20 yards or more (and 9th in percentage of attempts.) All that was good enough to be a big part of going 4-1-1 against the NFC west. And that’s with an injury-changed line that for the first half of the season fielded 3 guys who were out of football afterwards (Hunter, Ojinaka, and Richardson) and one who got benched after he left the Rams (Turner).

I get that no one expects a gunslinger, but at the same time I don’t think they need to fix the long ball, IMO…Bradford throws those. He also doesn’t throw interceptions, which is apparently something Fisher insists on. IMO, the issue is the mid-range and deep middle range passes they tend not to throw (11-20, 21-30). In those terms, I agree that the Oklahoma offense did not prepare him for pro passing, and in fact, in 2010 that was one of the reasons I said they should take SUh. But at the time, when people said “are you claiming he won’t learn” I would always say “no I think he will but not right off.”

BTW Bradford’s YPA in his final 3 games in 2013–when they played 2 top 7 defenses–was 7.4. That’s with Stacy and play action. In just the Carolina game it was 8.5. I get that some may not be convinced by that but to me it’s a tantalizing hint.

Also BTW what I heard in that was Warner saying Bradford should trust his receivers more. I’m not sure I would if I were Bradford. At least not last year.

Somewhat off topic, Warner also said by the way that when he was in New York people just seemed to automatically expect he would know the system and not be slowed down by learning it…but (according to him) he was. That was in his 7th year as a pro qb.

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