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    http://www.rams-news.com/jared-goff-finds-comfort-level-rams-fans-must-learn-patientAs Jared Goff finds comfort level, Rams fans must learn to be patient

    http://www.rams-news.com/pressures-goff-rams-open-campPressure’s on Jared Goff as Rams open camp

    http://www.rams-news.com/46505-2Alec Ogletree has been the man in the middle of a lot of activity

    http://www.rams-news.com/46503-2Alec Ogletree prepares to take over the middle for the Rams

    http://www.rams-news.com/l-times-day-2-rams-training-camp-report-videoL.A. Times Day 2 Rams Training Camp Report –Video

    http://www.rams-news.com/alec-ogletree-rams-keeping-playoff-hopes-alive-audioAlec Ogletree: Rams keeping playoff hopes alive –Audio

    http://www.rams-news.com/dmarco-farr-rams-return-l-audioD’Marco Farr on Rams return to L.A. –Audio

    http://www.rams-news.com/rams-training-camp-special-hour-2-audioRams Training Camp Special: Hour 2 –Audio

    http://www.rams-news.com/rams-training-camp-special-hour-1-audioRams Training Camp Special: Hour 1–Audio

    http://www.rams-news.com/going-tre-masonWhat Is Going On With Tre Mason?

    http://www.rams-news.com/22-years-fans-thrilled-rams-backAfter 22 years fans are thrilled Rams are back

    http://www.rams-news.com/big-crowd-greets-rams-1st-camp-practice-la-returnBig crowd greets Rams for 1st camp practice in LA return

    http://www.rams-news.com/jeff-fisher-hasnt-even-spoken-tre-mason-since-end-2015Jeff Fisher hasn’t even spoken to Tre Mason since the end of 2015

    http://www.rams-news.com/following-l-rams-family-affairFollowing L.A. Rams a Family Affair

    http://www.rams-news.com/instant-success-isnt-part-plan-jared-goff-l-ramsInstant Success Isn’t Part of the Plan for Jared Goff and L.A. Rams

    http://www.rams-news.com/rob-havensteins-foot-injury-forced-onto-pupRob Havenstein’s foot injury forced him onto PUP

    http://www.rams-news.com/jared-goff-case-keenum-one-best-teammates-ive-everJared Goff: Case Keenum is ‘one of the best teammates I’ve ever had’

    http://www.rams-news.com/training-camp-means-back-college-rams-receiver-tavon-austinTraining camp means back to college for Rams receiver Tavon Austin

    http://www.rams-news.com/jared-goff-rams-camp-presser-730-videoJared Goff Rams Camp Presser: 7/30 –Video

    http://www.rams-news.com/faulk-goff-im-impressed-way-throws-videoFaulk on Goff: I’m Impressed by the Way He Throws –Video

    http://www.rams-news.com/jeff-fisher-rams-camp-presser-july-30-videoJeff Fisher Rams Camp Presser: July 30 –Video

    http://www.rams-news.com/inside-training-camp-rams-back-action-videoInside Training Camp: Rams Back in Action –Video

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    As Jared Goff finds comfort level, Rams fans must learn to be patient

    By Vincent Bonsignore, Los Angeles Daily News

    http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20160731/bonsignore-as-jared-goff-finds-comfort-level-rams-fans-must-learn-to-be-patient

    IRVINE — The fed-up fan finally had enough of Jared Goff checking down to underneath receivers Saturday during the Rams opening training camp practice in Irvine.

    So he let the rookie quarterback have it.

    “Throw the damn ball down the field,” the fan screamed, over and over.

    Never mind it was Goff’s first-ever National Football League training camp practice after being selected first overall in last April’s draft.

    Or that the Rams were literally installing the underneath aspect of their passing game, which meant, well, all the quarterbacks were being instructed to look short not long.

    “We just put some simple concepts in,” said Rams head coach Jeff Fisher. “Today, the ball wasn’t designed to go down the field — it was underneath, short passing game and those kind of things.”

    It’s kind of what you do at this stage of camp.

    None of that either dawned on or mattered to the frustrated fan, who apparently arrived in Irvine thinking the stage was set for Goff to unleash long ball after long ball.

    You know, to justify his status as the first overall pick and future face of the Rams franchise.

    “Throw the damn ball down the field!” he kept screaming.

    Welcome to the NFL, rookie.

    As for Jared Goff …

    Seriously folks, it seems the former Cal star might have more to deal with than the accelerated speed, athleticism and savvy of the NFL game compared to what he saw the last three years in the Pac-12

    Like a lack of nuance by over-eager fans demanding him to run while the Rams are still teaching him how to walk.

    Two days into his first NFL camp, it looks like Goff and some Rams fans face a bit of a learning curve. L.A. is still re-adjusting to the pace and process of professional football while Goff is making the steep climb from college to the NFL.

    To no one’s surprise, the initial steps for both have been a bit unsteady.

    Goff was fairly sharp with his underneath throws on Saturday, and if side-session passing counts for anything he can certainly spin it at a high level.

    But there were a couple of botched snaps from center, and on his one throw covering distance the ball didn’t come close to the intended target while sailing into the arms of Rams safety Cody Davis for an easy interception.

    “I felt good about a lot of plays,” Goff said. “There’s some plays you want back.”

    He looked better by Sunday, although his wide receivers didn’t exactly lend a helping hand by dropping a handful of passes. And though he made some nice throws toward the end of practice, he was intercepted on his final throw when he tried to cut loose across the middle only to be intercepted by rookie Jabriel Washington.

    The two interceptions drew groans from many of the Rams fans on hand. More of out disappointment than anger. They badly want Goff to be great, and his emergence as a productive quarterback could be the difference in the Rams finally moving beyond the 7-9 teams they’ve been the last few years.

    He’s the proverbial missing piece.

    Understandable, then, they’ll be hanging on everything he does. Even through the first two days of practice.

    Depending on the expectations, gleaning anything worthwhile thus far is a bit of a reach.

    Goff hasn’t looked bad by any stretch of the imagination. But he also hasn’t jumped out at anyone as a no-doubt about it future NFL star.

    That’s to be expected, of course, if not a tad bit disappointing.

    To be expected because he’s barely three months into his professional career — counting organized team activities — and the Rams are day two into installation of a brand new offense under new coordinator Rob Boras,

    Disappointing because the natural assumption is that quarterbacks drafted first overall will immediately flash something so obvious and distinctive they’ll leave no doubt about their future status.

    That’s probably on us more than it is Goff. We should know better, especially at this stage.

    For Goff, the focus is on incremental improvement. Getting better from day to day, then looking back at some point at the collective progress.

    Like the distance he’s come from OTA’s to training camp, which he describes as substantial.

    “I definitely feel 10 times more comfortable,” he said. “Much more comfortable with everything that we do, as far as daily stuff. Just very comfortable on the field, much more comfortable.”

    Still, two days in you get the feeling everyone wants to see more already. A sign. A flash. Evidence that the Rams made the right decision trading up to No. 1 then drafting him first overall ahead of North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz.

    That hasn’t happened yet, though.

    It’s understandable, of course. It’s still so early in the process.

    But with so much riding on the outcome, common sense has nothing on anxiety.

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    Rams Head Coach Jeff Fisher –– July 31, 2016

    (Opening remarks)

    “Alright, day two, day two with everybody. Update on (WR) Tavon (Austin), he’s fine, he got a little dehydrated. He was cramping a little bit, so he’ll be fine. He’s not going to miss any practice, won’t miss any time. Great lesson to be learned there, I heard that, for some reason he didn’t eat lunch. Go figure. So anyway, a good message for the rest of the team. He’s doing fine, he’s having a great camp, he’s in great shape. No worries there. We released (WR) Deon Long this morning. We’ll probably bring some receivers in; we’re just trying to upgrade the bottom part of our roster. (WR) Kenny Britt was excused from practice today; he’ll be back in the swing of things tonight in meetings and tomorrow.

    “Beyond that, we had a good day, a good second day. We’re installing, getting a lot more in and I thought (QB) Jared (Goff) had a good day, made some really good throws. We’re eagerly awaiting that opportunity to put the shoulder pads on so the offense can show what they’ve got, because it’s obviously a practice scenario situation where the defense typically gets the advantage before the pads go on. So the offense is looking forward to it. Tomorrow, we’re having a special teams practice; it’ll be our first practice with the shoulder pads. Then we’ll come back the next day with shoulder pads and we’ll be rolling. Questions?”

    (On if this seemed more like a typical practice after all the excitement from yesterday’s first day)

    “Yeah, it was great. It’s kind of what we’re hoping to get out of training camp throughout the way. It’s been great. And unfortunately, we don’t have time to get every autograph signed because players have responsibilities inside and then meal and meetings. But they’re doing the best they can. I think the offensive line is up tonight (for autographs) and some of the defensive line stayed out. But it’s a good situation for us.”

    (On Alec Ogletree’s transition to middle linebacker)

    “It’s been seamless. He really has a great understanding of the defense – making all the calls; he’s taking that leadership role over. He’s off to a great start. I think one of the things that’s indicative of that is what a guy does during the time off – like we talked about yesterday. He went out and he worked and he came back and had the best overall time, from a defensive standpoint, in the conditioning test. What a difference a couple years makes. I’m just really proud of him. He’s our guy in the middle.”

    (On if he saw the same qualities last year that made him think Ogletree could handle the move)

    “Yeah, we did. Unfortunately, the season didn’t work out the way he, and all of us hoped, because of the injury. He stayed focused throughout the rehab. He held onto the hope that he could come back, perhaps for the last game, but it just didn’t work out. I think the fact that he was around, he was rehabbing, he was studying, he was a teammate – I think it really helped him to prepare.”

    (QB Jared Goff saying that QB Case Keenum is one of the best teammates he’s ever had and if camp is about team bonding)

    “Well I’d like to think that it’s top-to-bottom and that’s important. And it’s important around the league, but especially important here. They have grown closer together, they’re patient but focused. So I’d like to think that they all would talk about each other like that.”

    (On how CB E.J. Gaines looks coming off an injury and what he could mean to the secondary going forward)

    “Well he’s done fine. He got involved towards the end of the OTAs and was coming on, making progress, worked hard, came back and he hasn’t missed a snap. We’re not giving him the number of reps, for a week or so, that he ordinarily would get, but he gives us the opportunity to have him be in a position to win that job back and compete there. In addition to that, we know that he can come inside and play in the slot, because he proved that his rookie year.”

    (On integrating young guys like WR Pharoh Cooper and TE Tyler Higbee into what the team does offensively)

    “We just plug them in and go. If you watch practice, they’re lining up with the 1s. That should tell you something – they’re lining up and going. They have a good feel. We’re not going to put them in to fail, but they know what to do, they’re going to get their reps.”

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    8to12

    Some positional drills were done on this side of the field but all of the 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 were on the far field. And, with the crowd being so large, it made it difficult to get up & move. I waited patiently for some of the scrimmaging to be moved back to the near field but it never happened.

    A short list of things I noticed in no particular order:

    – Quentin Coples is a big DE. However, I was surprised that he did not move gracefully like the other DE’s. He kind of lumbers as he moves across the LOS. It made me understand better why maybe the Jets had him playing DE in their 3-4 system. But, this only a few positional drills. I will get to see go him against the O-line this coming week (Tues & Wed)

    – DB positional drills happened in front of me. Lamarcus Joyner looks very quick in the drills compared to his teammates. Also, Mike Jordan is 6’0″, 200lbs, good size and he has good hands.

    – Punt returns: Bradley Marquez, Nelson Spruce and Pharoh Cooper showed really good technique in catching punts. Tavon dropped one of his first attempts, but the wind had picked up and caused most of the issue.

    During the following week I hope to see more 11-on-11 to see the offense operate. I want to be to specualte on the personnel groupings, formations, and tendancies for each as they work against the defense. I find this to be the most helpful while watching games during the regular season.

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    You have no idea how many bright, very knowledgable people make the claim to know facts just facts not spin and they all differ from one another.

    Um, well, why would you think I wouldn’t know about that?

    Because I was talking about my personal experience with people I know on an individual basis, and, you couldn;t know about that.

    That entire post was about how I am personally positioned in this.

    I know several dedicated professional political scientists, and as it happens, the last couple of days, on the phone and through email and in facebook PMs, they have all been putting the screws on.

    I get competing, different narratives, all claiming to be just the facts I need to account for, and I tell them that I am getting more than one narrative that claims to be the facts I need to account for, and so I cannot help but notice how different they are. And in terms of this conversation with you here, it’s how different they are from each other, and how different you are from each of them. And when I say that to any single individual each individually gets offended.

    So my reminder is always this.

    I can’t take the time to sort out and debate details because one crucial thing is missing and its absence makes all the difference. That crucial thing is—I don’t care. It’s hard to sort out the details when you’re not interested.

    In light of that I draw back and say, this is my real priority, and it absorbs all my energy.

    The focus is on the present difference in policies going forward. On the one hand, I will be resigned to more of the patient slow awareness that progress is slow…and that’s the way I have lived this (politics) my entire life. So it’s not new.

    On the other hand, there’s clear, regressive, catastrophe where we (as I see it) will lose ground.

    That’s my focus and that’s what I tell everyone who is pressuring me at the moment to ascent to their narrative of past facts about past elections.

    Enough. It’s cacophony. In contrast the focus is simple and easy.

    That’s all I am saying.

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    And my entire life I have never met anyone who possessed “the truth” on anything when it comes to political vision. I always just see better or worse theories, and clashing assumptions and premises. That’s just how I approach all of this. That’s me.

    That’s fine. But if you actually do believe no one possesses the truth, then it’s sensible for you not to lead with the claim that someone else is “searching for a dubious truth,” when all I did was use numbers and draw a logical inference from those numbers and our electoral system.

    It’s not “spin” to say what is self-evidently the case. Presidents don’t win because of one particular state. Again, just as that last-second field goal can’t possibly “win the game.” And within those states, they don’t win based on third-party votes which don’t even match those lost to Democratic voters who DIRECTLY voted for Bush. By definition, the voting process is cumulative within each state. By definition, the electoral process is cumulative within the nation as a whole.

    Those ARE facts. No spin. Just facts.

    BT, all that’s lost on me. I wouldn’t waste my time if I were you. You have no idea how many bright, very knowledgable people make the claim to know facts just facts not spin and they all differ from one another. Differ from one another and differ from you. And when I say this to any of them they all get offended and remind me that their narratives are just true. I tune it out.

    I just don’t play the game.

    I can give you a perfectly good analogy from football talk. Back in the St. Louis days I read several different guys who attended camp regularly. And there were always times over certain issues where inevitably they all differed on what the facts were. I would point this out and each individually would take offense because each individually KNEW the facts on that issue, even though they all differed. My take was, well to you you may “know the facts” but to me you are all different so I account for that.

    Actually when it comes to sorting out the facts over football analysis I am more patient than I am with political history. And actually the different voices talking to me about political history are also different from football in this respect…I care about football. To me the political scientists are all arguing over a sport I don’t even care about. That is, whose narrative of political history is just the facts. They all claim it’s them. But to me it’s like hearing a drawn-out detailed story about baseball when I don’t care about baseball.

    So with political history, what I do instead is look at all the highly informed and detailed people telling me opposite things, and I go…I don’t care.

    My focus is on the present and what I believe are the choices in the present.

    When it comes to the facts of political history, I have many camp reporters trying to get me to “hear” distinctly different, opposed narratives. Every single one of them is offended when I say this to them, too.

    I listen to be polite, until I reach “enough” mode, but either way there always comes the time when I have to decide for myself, and the decision for myself is to set priorities and focus. The minutia is just guys arguing over a sport that doesn’t interest me.

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    I am a pragmatist not a purist. Worse is worse. Once I see that clearly—that worse is worse—all the rest is rhetoric to me.

    I get that. But some people truly believe that the status quo is bringing them down anyway. You drop off a cliff or you stand in quicksand. You die either way. Those are strong feelings. They are real feelings. And politics, if it’s about anything–it’s feelings. So why put forth a candidate who has a lot of baggage and people do not trust? Not everyone will put this aside as rhetoric. They BELIEVE this deeply.

    All I’m saying is that the party did not HAVE to give it to her. They did so KNOWING it would be a challenge. That’s my problem. Why make it this hard?

    But we agree on Trump. I agree with that. But I do feel if I lived in a safe state I would give them a middle finger and vote for Stein. I would have to believe Trump had no chance to win it.

    Again, how it appears to me.

    No it;s not a cliff v. quicksand.

    It’s a cliff v. ground that needs to be ploughed.

    It’s not catastrophic both directions. It is only catastrophic one direction.

    I am not sure I remember how old you are, but, I came into political being during Vietnam (with a draft number), and the last years of civil rights. So in my era, you were politicized at 15 or 16. I had older high school friends who died in Vietnam.

    And of course my entire life, like all of us, or most of us, I have lived with a leftist vision and so saw clearly the bad things around us.

    And things are not where they need to be yet, but when I look at my daughters lives I see progress.

    It’s one thing to think the progress is too slow. I get that. The only reason I never went crazy is because I have a way of patiently living with the slowness of progress.

    But…that also means I am completely, and irredeemably, on watchguard mode against REGRESSION.

    Trump is regression.

    So I vote for another compromised centrist asshole. Done it my whole life. And slept fine afterwards. Meanwhile I note that real progress doesn’t come from the top anyway. To me EXPECTING THAT is no different from the uninformed sound-byte mired voters we all complain about. Progress doesn’t come from the top.

    BUT regression CAN.

    We have made gains, and they are considerable compared to when I was 17. But the entire time, the gains were never made by heroes elected to office.

    But we can put ourselves in a position to dismantle what gains there have been.

    Being impatient for an ideal to materialize overnight, to me, is not worth the risk of actually dismantling what gains have been made.

    As I said that’s my focus, and to me, all the rest is spin.

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    If the Democrats put up such a crappy candidate that she can’t even beat Donald Trump, they don’t deserve to win.

    See this is all rhetoric, which is why I always prefer focus.

    You can easily turn that statement around. THat is the reason a Hillary would lose to someone as bad as Trump is because of people voting against the dems and then blaming the dems for it. I see no “truths” there just spin.

    I get no consolation out of that particular spin. It just means there are a lot of people who are not calculating how much worse Trump will be.

    I am a pragmatist not a purist. Worse is worse. Once I see that clearly—that worse is worse—all the rest is rhetoric to me.

    I have never LOVED or APPROVED OF anyone I have ever voted for in my life, and I don’t care about that.

    If Trump gets elected things will be so fucked. That’s all I know or care about. You may be able to wrangle around with some folks on this but I;m a lost cause when it comes to that. To me worse is worse and all the rest is just whistling past the graveyard.

    Chances are I won’t be able to talk anyone into thing, so really I am not even trying, but on the other side, don’t expect me to patiently listen to anything that ignores “worse is really really genuinely worse.” That’s my focus. All the rest to ME, personally, is just words.

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    NFL chat with Jim Thomas

    http://sports.live.stltoday.com/Event/NFL_chat_with_Jim_Thomas_20?Page=2

    Is this FINALLY the end of the line for Aldon Smith?
    by Rudy Bukich 1:07 PM

    Not quite. But I think he’s close.
    by jthomas 1:07 PM

    Jim, I knew Aldon Smith a little at Mizzou. We had biology class together in 2010. Super nice guy, it is really sad to see what has happened to him. You just wonder what happened in his mind when he left Missouri and went to the Bay Area.
    by TexasTiger 1:08 PM

    Interesting. Yeah, I don’t know much about his time at Mizzou.
    by jthomas 1:09 PM

    Hi Jim – Aldon Smith, not so smart. There weren’t any warning signs when he came out of Mizzou, right?

    Also, I did receive the email about Los Angeles Rams hats….just laughed and clicked the unsubscribe button in the email.
    by StlFanDan 1:09 PM

    Aldon Smith made a pre-draft visit to Rams Park when he came out. I know he turned off some in the Rams front office during the visit. Supposedly, they didn’t like his attitude.
    by jthomas 1:11 PM

    Were you invited to the Friday dinner with the Rams legends? Would’ve loved to be a fly on the wall there.
    by rp 1:11 PM

    I attended a media session before hand at the restaurant.. It was great to see the players, and it was great to see them interact with their former teammates. After a couple of minutes together, the old stories start flowing like the players were still in the locker room together.
    by jthomas 1:14 PM

    Yes – I got one of the hat emails: I unsubscribed to the Rams emails immediately.
    In recognition of the event last weekend, my 5 best wins in St. Louis Rams history (not counting the Super Bowl or NFC Championship Game wins: too easy):
    1. 49-37 Divisional Playoff win over Minnesota in Jan. 2000 – almost better than winning the Super Bowl
    2. 27-20 Divisional Playoff win at Seattle in Jan. 2005 – 3 for 3 that season!
    3. 42-20 over San Francisco in Oct. 1999 – finally breaking the 49ers losing streak
    4. 33-27 (OT) at Seattle in Oct. 2004 – the most unlikely comeback!
    5. 27-14 over San Francisco in Dec. 2001 – Niners were treating it like a “see where we’re at” game. Ans they found out.
    Honorable Mention: 16-13 (OT) over San Francisco in Dec. 2012 – hey, a win in the Fisher Era! Memorable game, though.
    by kman 1:14 PM

    I like your list. I’d have to include the very first St. Louis Rams victory, 17-14, at Green Bay. Unheralded second-year pro Isaac Bruce blocked a Craig Hentrich punt, getting to the ball so quickly it hadn’t even reached Hentrich’s foot. Then on the very next play, he lined up at wide receiver and caught a touchdown pass. Some other’s to consider, the Trent Green revenge game in 2000, with Mike Martz pouring it on in a 57-31 victory over San Diego _ 13 months after Rodney Harrison crashed into Green’s leg in a preseason game; or how about that 20-17 overtime victory at Philadelphia to start the 2001 season.
    by jthomas 1:21 PM

    Jim do you remember on maybe back to back plays where Ironhead Heyward and Toby Wright hit each other? I think they each won one of those. Always have tried to find a clip to no avail.
    by Tom 1:21 PM

    I believe it was in ’96 or ’97, in Atlanta.
    by jthomas 1:22 PM

    In his MMQB column, this week, Peter King says the NFL doesn’t have enough minority head coaches given their success (with which I concur) but also makes a couple of other interesting points including: Head coaching is a young person’s game and head coaches don’t get enough time to succeed. Do you think Brooks, Linehan or Spagnuolu could’ve made the Rams winners, eventually? Do you think younger NFL head coaches would be better?
    by bfulton 1:22 PM

    Of the three, I think Brooks might have been the best head coach. With a strong general manager _ he was saddled with Steve Ortmayer _ he might have had a chance. Remember, Big Daddy got only two seasons. John Shaw felt bad about that in retrospect, and it factored into him giving Dick Vermeil a third year in 1999.
    by jthomas 1:25 PM

    Hey Jimbo-Come party with me!
    by Tre Mason 1:25 PM

    Sorry Tre. Not much of a partier these days.
    by jthomas 1:25 PM

    And, to keep things in balance, my 5 most excruciating losses (not counting the Super Bowl ‘loss’ to the Patriots):
    1. 29-23 (OT) to Carolina in the Divisional Playoff in Jan. 2004 – to this day I can’t think about this game without getting angry!
    2. 31-28 at New Orleans in the Divisional Playoff in Jan. 2000 – if Az-Hakim doesn’t fumble that punt, I still think the Rams come back to win
    3. 38-35 at Tampa Bay in Dec. 2000 – Monday night, another galling loss
    4. 24-22 at Seattle in Nov. 2006 – thank you, Richie Incognito
    5. 10-3 at Philadelphia in Dec. 2002 – the true end of the Greatest Show on Turf era
    Honorable Mention: either of 2 home losses to Seattle in 2007 (24-19) or 2013 (14-9) – gotta punch it in , guys
    by kman 1:25 PM

    Excellent choices, Kman. Can’t argue with anny of them. The ’02 game in Philly was the game in which Warner’s hand was bothering him badly and the aftermath led to the Brenda-gate outburst.
    by jthomas 1:27 PM

    My outsider view of Spags was that he was an insecure coach who wasn’t a true leader. Were the rumors true that he banned Hanifan from using the gym at Rams Park and took down pictures from the GSOT era?
    by rp 1:27 PM

    Yes, Hanifan was not allowed in the building. And yes, the pictures were taken down. Spags is a good man, but was just too much of a control freak as a head coach. Insecurity may have played a role in that.
    by jthomas 1:28 PM

    To add to the excruciating loss list, how about the loss to Detroit in 1999. 4th and 18 or something right? Or, the loss to the Titans in ’99. Wasn’t there a terrible non-call on a roughing the kicker that could’ve made a difference in that one?
    by rp 1:28 PM

    Taje Allen getting beat in Detroit! Some of the Rams in town for the Legends game were joking about that Friday night.
    by jthomas 1:29 PM

    Any behind the scenes anecdotes you can share from the Legends of the Dome “reunion” this past weekend?
    by rp 1:29 PM

    Mike Furrey is head coach at Limestone College, a Div. II school in South Carolina. Mike Jones is head coach at Lincoln U., a Div. II in Jeff City, Mo. I suggested to Furrey that the schedule each other. Most players signed memorabilia with their uniform numbers. I was asked to sign a few items, and put 431 next to my signature. That’s the number of preseason, regular season, and playoff games for the Rams during their 21 seasons in St. Louis. All in all, it was a great afternoon. The players genuinely enjoyed being there, and with rare exception patiently signed everything put in from of them. Not only were the former players on hand, but former Rams PR personnel, game day (press box) personnel, team doctors, trainers, equipment guys were all on hand to help run the event on their own time. It was great to see them all.
    by jthomas 1:35 PM

    Who does better this year, Bradford – Eagles or Rams?
    by Don 1:35 PM

    I’ll go Bradford-Eagles, but not by an overwhelming amount. I see the EAgles as like an 8-8 squad.
    by jthomas 1:36 PM

    I heard on the radio, or in a chat, or on Twitter, or somewhere, that you’re going to the opening of Rams training camp. One question: Why?
    by Shirley in Fenton 1:36 PM

    Because the team’s first practices in California as well as the first home game in California are part of the story of the team leaving St. Louis. If you are following our coverage of the Rams, it has been cut back drastically from what it used to be, and that will continue to be the case. But we will continue to have some coverage. Many fans are still interested because they want to root against the team. I’ve had many other fans tell me they hate what Kroenke did, but hold no ill will against the players, especially those who played in St. Louis. I’ve had some fans in StL tell me it’s the only team they’ve ever known, and will continue to follow the Rams.
    by jthomas 1:40 PM

    How much do you think the Rams will miss Jenkins this year? It seems as if he caught inordinate amount of criticism among fans. He stayed relatively healthy and outside of a few bad decisions seemed to be the Rams most productive corner since his arrival in STL.
    by Fletch32 1:40 PM

    Jenkins has a lot of talent, and was serious about his craft at Rams Park. But he could also be a selfish player, gambling for interceptions and getting burned. His tackling was inconsistent. Saying that, his play last season was easily his most consistent as a Ram. If E.J.Gaines returns to his 2014 form as a rookie, the absence of Jenkins will be minimized. If not, of if Trumaine Johnson is injured, then there will be problems.
    by jthomas 1:42 PM

    Any chance of Kurt Warner making a run as a third party candidate this year? He’d have my vote and I think he’d win in a landslide (and i probably don’t even agree with him on most issues).
    by rp 1:43 PM

    That’s funny. I’ve never asked Kurt about any political ventures. Don’t think it’s in the Cards.
    by jthomas 1:43 PM

    Will you still be reporting on the Rams or shifting into more of a columnist role?
    by RamsFansUnited 1:43 PM

    My new job description is NFL writer. So there will be some Rams coverage, but it will be more broad-based coverage. Last week, for instance, I wrote about the possibility of the Raiders moving to Las Vegas. For this Wednesday _ tomorrow _ I’m writing 10 questions (and answers) around the NFL as training camps open.
    by jthomas 1:46 PM

    Jim, have any of the GSOT players said anonymously anything bad about the NFL or Kroenke?
    by TexasTiger 1:46 PM

    Not as much as you’d think. Otherwise no comment.
    by jthomas 1:46 PM

    Jim, was there any talk among the guys this past weekend about trying to do a charity game again in the future or was this it?
    by WIU Leatherneck 1:46 PM

    Some thought it would be a good idea. But the cost and time expended by Tiffani Burris of the Isaac Bruce Foundation and Bruce himself, probably means it’s a one-shot deal. For example, it cost more than $100,000 just to open the dome doors for business. Bruce got no breaks on that from the stadium people. Plus, it’s difficult to get all these players together at one time.
    by jthomas 1:49 PM

    Since you’re doing more reporting on the entire NFL, now, could you do reporting for fantasy football?
    by bfulton 1:49 PM

    Thanks for asking. As part of a regular Sunday NFL package we’re planning, we will have some sort of Fantasy Football presence.
    by jthomas 1:50 PM

    Hi Jim, here’s the link to bring the nfl back to st louis on facebook. http://www.facebook.com
    by Alton Ken 1:50 PM

    Alton Ken, believe it or not I’m not a facebook guy. But my wife is on facebook and I’ll try to have here punch it in for me. Thx.
    by jthomas 1:51 PM

    Where do you see, the PD NFL coverage in 3 years? Next year, I expect to see a heavy Rams coverage with more coverage than previous years of the other regional teams (Chiefs, Colts, and etc) but in three years and as the Rams roster churns, there will be less connection with the team.
    by Mark S 1:51 PM

    That’s a good question. So the short answer is probably less Rams coverage and more regional or overall league coverage as the years go by.
    by jthomas 1:52 PM

    Howcome no Faulk this past weekend? He was at a golf tournament? Weak. In my opinion, he has been tepid at best in his defense of St. Louis’ football fans, in the wake of StanK’s condemnation of our value as a football town. I get that he works for NFL network, but so does Kurt.
    by rp 1:52 PM

    Yeah, I talked to Marshall about this a couple of weeks ago, and I believe he was in the big charity pro-am at Lake Tahoe and couldn’t get out of that commitment.
    by jthomas 1:53 PM

    Jim, Josh Gordon had drug issues in college. I believe he has 3 suspensions in the NFL. I believe in second chances, but what kind of message is Goodell sending. When is enough enough? Thanks.
    by Michael 1:53 PM

    Well, there’s no indication that he will make the Browns’ final roster. And yes, Gordon has had more chances here than many people get in life.
    by jthomas 1:54 PM

    Jake Long to the Ravens. Not that he’s away from that cancer of a team…pro bowler again?
    by Road to 0-16 1:54 PM

    Don’t think the knees and other assorted injuries/surgeries over the years will allow it.
    by jthomas 1:54 PM

    Several teams, including the Rams, have made big and risky investments in unproven QBs, this offseason. Who do you think made the best bet?
    by bfulton 1:55 PM

    I still think Paxton Lynch could very well be considered the best of the lot when all is said and done in a few years. Plus Denver didn’t have to give up all those picks to get him like Philly did for Wentz and the Rams did for Goff.
    by jthomas 1:56 PM

    Hello Jim, What are your thoughts about moving T. J. McDonald to LB to replace Akeem Ayers (hybrid S/LB)?
    by Pat M 1:56 PM

    You know, T.J.’s hard-hitting playing style could make him an effective undersized LB, but the Rams already have one of those in Mark Barron. They probably don’t need two.
    by jthomas 1:57 PM

    Do you think if the Rams get off to a good start the rating here will drop? I will watch every week as long as they’re getting blown out.
    by Road to 0-16 1:57 PM

    Interesting question. Will most of the Rams fans watching here root for the team to lose, or to win? It could be a mixture.
    by jthomas 1:58 PM

    I sure hope Ike’s foundation didn’t get stuck with a bill after the event last weekend. Any info on that? I was hoping more fans would show up than that. I’m sure he didn’t, but that would’ve been a great opportunity for Kroenke to make amends…maybe a nice sized donation towards the event and Ike’s foundation.
    by rp 1:58 PM

    I’m told they made a modest profit when all was said and done, but nothing to write home about. The only Rams involvement that I’m aware of was sending a list of former dome suite holders to the Legends organizers, but most of those e-mails bounced back. The Bruce Foundation people asked for a season-ticket list from the Rams _ for help in contacting potential Legends ticket buyers _ but I was told the Rams declined to do so. The LA Rams had an employee there who’s involved in the team’s charity flag football game in Carson, Calif. next month. Interesting, isn’t it, that after zero flag football games in 21 seasons in St. Louis, the Rams decide to hold one in their first year back in LA next month, just a few weeks after Bruce’s game.
    by jthomas 2:05 PM

    I guess what i meant was, in Irvine will you be covering the Rams like a beat reporter covering the team, or more as a columnist on the aftermath of the move, if that makes sense…
    by RamsFansUnited 2:05 PM

    I get it. The short answer is a little of both. I’ll certainly want to describe the scene and atmosphere in Irvine. But also write about some of the players.
    by jthomas 2:06 PM

    Attendance figure for Legends of Dome was just over 10,000, correct? Did you get any sense that Bruce was disappointed in turnout?
    by Andy 2:06 PM

    Yes, he would’ve liked to have seen more people there, but was very happy about the response and the warm feelings generated by those who were there.
    by jthomas 2:07 PM

    Hi again, More about moving T. J. opposite of Barron. I was thinking more into the future if Ayers doesn’t work out
    by Pat M 2:07 PM

    Again, I don’t think you necessarily want two undersized linebackers lining up _ meaning Barron and McDonald both lining up at linebacker at the same time.
    by jthomas 2:08 PM

    What we’re the deciding factors that led to the cards leaving after 1987?
    by Corey 2:08 PM

    I was covering Mizzou football and basketball at the time, so I wasn’t involved in the coverage. But it was all about the stadium, a football only stadium because the Big Red as they were called locally at the time had been sharing Busch Stadium with the baseball squad. The big difference between then and now as I recall is that St. Louis civic, business, and political leaders didn’t really have anything resembling a stadium plan. This time around, with the Rams, there was a stadium plan in place by Peacock & Blitz. A stadium plan that Houston owner Robert McNair, chairman of the NFL finance committee, said was “pretty close” to being a good plan in early December.
    by jthomas 2:12 PM

    jim used to be a rams fan. now I’m going for the titans what do u think their record will be.
    by scott 2:12 PM

    I think the Titans will be improved. It looks like they want to re-establish themselves as a power running team, hearkening back to the days of Eddie George. Dorial Green-Beckham needs to step up his game at wide receiver. But I think the AFC South will be an improved division overall this year after being a floor mat in recent years. I think Jax will be much improved. Houston bears watching with Osweiler. And the Colts should rebound with a healthy Andrew Luck.
    by jthomas 2:14 PM

    See another team that may have interest in Foles for a backup? Thanks
    by Paul 2:18 PM

    Unless there are some injury needs that crop up in the preseason/training camp, I can’t see anybody trading for him. So teams I think will wait to see if he gets released at the end of camp.
    by jthomas 2:19 PM

    With ESPN Nick Wagnor headed to the 49ers any chance you can take his spot for the Rams?
    by Dwayne 2:19 PM

    Nope. But best of luck to Nick, a good man and a good reporter.
    by jthomas 2:20 PM

    What if Nick Foles came into camp and set the field on fire?
    by Dwayne 2:20 PM

    Don’t think he’ll get that chance.
    by jthomas 2:20 PM

    do u think st.louis will ever get a team again
    by scott 2:20 PM

    Doesn’t seem likely in the short term. For one, I don’t think the current group of civic, business, and political leaders have any appetite for pursuing a team, not after they spent lots of time, effort, and money ($16 million) to keep the Rams here and felt like they got nothing resembling a fair shake in return from the league _ and certainly not Kroenke. I do wonder about the long-term viability of the Jaguars in Jacksonville. But that’s a ways down the road, if it materializes.
    by jthomas 2:24 PM

    Any chance Higgbee beats out Kendriks in camp?
    by Dwayne 2:24 PM

    Slim. . .and none.
    by jthomas 2:24 PM

    I recently watched a documentary on Netflix called “Sonicsgate” that discussed Seattle’s loss of its NBA team. Many similarities in this situation and to the loss of the Rams in STL. If the opportunity was presented to you, would you consider being the local journalist who is interviewed to provide background and details on the shady moves by Stan, Demoff, Grubman, owners, etc.? Know any good, local filmmakers who may want to create an ESPN “30 for 30?”
    by Greyhound314 2:25 PM

    I don’t know. If ESPN has no apparent interest in doing a 30-for-30 on the Greatest Show on Turf _ which I think would be a compelling story _ why would they have an interest in the Rams departure from St. Louis?
    by jthomas 2:27 PM

    Question for the big O.. As a HOF left tackle what does he see or not see in GRob that is causing him to get so many penalties and does he think GRob can overcome those issues?
    by Players fan, not NFL fan 2:27 PM

    I’ll pass it along.
    by jthomas 2:28 PM

    My 2 cents, I left the dome last Saturday with my family and grateful feelings towards the GSOT and Isaac. Truly enjoyed seeing many people I got to know over the years, looked at my old booth which is now empty and closed that chapter. I hope the players are not strangers to STL, but that ending was for us and it ended on our terms. Long live the St. Louis Rams.
    by TK 2:29 PM

    Thanks for sharing those thoughts.
    by jthomas 2:29 PM

    Fisher should have picked up Anquan Boldin while he could and cut Quick real quick?
    by Dwayne 2:29 PM

    I think Boldin would prefer playing for a contender, particularly at this stage of his career.
    by jthomas 2:30 PM

    Only reason I ask about cards is it makes me wonder if we had our act together they’d be here today. I think that’s where we dropped the ball.
    by Corey 2:34 PM

    I don’t think St. Louis had it’s act together when it came to the Cardinals. Keep in mind, we also fumbled as a city/region when it came to the expansion bid in the early 1990s.
    by jthomas 2:35 PM

    Any injury report from Saturday? I saw more than a few guys holding on to their hammys by the 3rd quarter.
    by rational fan 2:35 PM

    Jeff Wilkins suffered at the least a sprained ankle when he was thrown down on the sidelines by his former long snapper, Chris Massey. His left ankle was wrapped as he left the field Saturday, said it would truly mess up his golf game for a while. I’m sure there were plenty of aches and pains for others on Sunday and Monday as well.
    by jthomas 2:37 PM

    Jim, This is truly outrageous. Today I got an email from the LA Rams trying to sell Rams’ hats and jerseys. Are they nuts? Anyone else get such an email? Your thoughts.
    by Snugglemoose 2:37 PM

    Yeah, seems like a lot of people got the e-mail.
    by jthomas 2:38 PM

    I’m at a weird pace as far as what I would like to see the PD cover NFL-wise. As an organization, I hope the Rams continue to perform exactly as they did here for the last 12 years indefinitely. However, there were players who showed true compassion for STL fans (Heck, Quinn among others) that I will continue to root for and Gurley has a fan for life for immediately acknowledging STL fans when he won the Offensive Rookie of the Year award. However again, I’m looking forward to your broader-based coverage of the league.
    by YZ 2:44 PM

    We plan to make some training camp stops in the Midwest. And we’ll be in Arrowhead on Sept. 11 for the Chiefs’ season opener. Interesting question. Will most of the Rams fans watching here root for the team to lose, or to win? It could be a mixture.
    by jthomas 2:45 PM

    I’m rooting that the Rams lose for as long as Kroenke owns the team. That would be an interesting poll question. My gut is many in St. Louis feel the same way I do, but I’m open to the possibility some misguided souls will still root for them – like an addict that can’t kick a bad habit.
    by JR 2:46 PM

    Maybe that will be a poll question next week.
    by jthomas 2:47 PM

    Last year Jeff Fisher was on the sideline(forget the game) with the player huddled around him while he was trying to motivate them. I knew then that the Rams were missing players how were leaders. Now with C. Long and JL55 gone they are even more devoid of players who are leaders in my mind. How do you see stepping up now on O and D?
    by Players fan, not NFL fan 2:48 PM

    I think Ogletree has some leadership qualities that will come to the forefront this season at middle linebacker. William Hayes has always been a team leader. On offense, I’m thinking Cory Harkey, maybe Lance Kendricks.
    by jthomas 2:49 PM

    I would love to hear about Orlando’s memories of Coach Hannifan during games.
    by Trip 2:49 PM

    Good one. I’m writing it down.
    by jthomas 2:50 PM

    Do you see Mason eventually using up all of his chances and getting cut?
    by steve r 2:50 PM

    He’s getting ever closer to that point.
    by jthomas 2:50 PM

    I’d like to see the Rams references removed from the Post Dispatch. No sense giving free publicity to the team owner that didn’t want to stay in our town.
    by MB 2:50 PM

    Well, you’ll have to settle for fewer Rams references.
    by jthomas 2:50 PM

    Where their guys you were suprised to see didnt show for the Legends game?
    by Jiffy Jeff 2:54 PM

    Not really. I had contact with Faulk and London Fletcher, and knew they had commitments they couldn’t get out of. I was told Kevin Carter also had such a commitment. As for Steven Jackson, I was told he’s still contemplating playing this year, so he didn’t want to commit. And Long and Laurinaitis are reporting to camps this week and I’m sure didn’t want to pull a hammy or something in a flag football game. Fred Miller had agreed to play but didn’t show. Don’t know why. Tommy Polley was a surprise appearance, organizers didn’t know he was coming, but there he was. (He was the one _ the only one _ on the field without a legends jersey.)
    by jthomas 2:58 PM

    Hi Jim, Here is a question for Orlando Pace, ask is the Rams have a “ring of fame” once they get the new stadium in Inglewood built, would he be receptive to being there for the honor even though he never played in LA? As a Ram fan, I know he would surly deserve it as one of the greatest Rams of all time.
    by RR 2:58 PM

    I’ll ask. Thx.
    by jthomas 2:58 PM

    I pull for individual success of SOME of the players, especially after they leave the team via FA, but hope for the franchise to fail miserably. I’m not sure if that’s possible, but that’s what I feel. Make sense? I wonder if others feel that way.
    by steve r 2:58 PM

    Makes sense. I’m sure there are others that feel the same way.
    by jthomas 2:59 PM

    With no injuries involved can Reynolds beat out Saffold straight up?
    by Dwayne 2:59 PM

    Can’t see it. Reynolds is tough and smart. But Saffold is strong and athletic.
    by jthomas 2:59 PM

    Do you see enough improvement in the Rams’ o-line?
    by damien 3:00 PM

    A healthy Saffold means instant improvement right off the bat. A healthy Jamon Brown and another year for Rob Havenstein should only help. Greg Robinson of course is a key.
    by jthomas 3:06 PM

    I’ll be rooting for certain ex-StL Rams (Long, Laurinitis, Gurley). But, I hope the Rams go 0 for eternity. I also hope they continue to have the worst HC and GM in the business. Also, you may still have to deal with him, so you probably can’t answer honestly…but, did you always know Demoff was a little weasel?
    by rp 3:07 PM

    Honestly, Kevin and I always had a good relationship. Sure we had some ups and downs. But I can only think of one time he misled me. I get the ill-will. It’s totally understood. And I’m sure there are some things Kevin regrets doing or saying and would have done differently.
    by jthomas 3:08 PM

    Couldn’t help but think Of Bryan Burwell when I was at the Dome on Saturday. I used to have a press pass and even as a radio nobody, Mr Burwell was always very nice and always said hello when a lot of other guys wouldn’t even look us.
    by Jiffy Jeff 3:08 PM

    He was the best. I think of him often. And miss him dearly.
    by jthomas 3:09 PM

    not much of an o-line, Case as QB, no-one to catch a ball….how long before the Rams use up Gurley?
    by Bigtuna 3:09 PM

    That could be a concern given Gurley’s past injury history and the lack of anything resembling a proven passing game.
    by jthomas 3:10 PM

    Had the same thought about Burwell while at the game Saturday. He and Strauss are really missed.
    by rp 3:10 PM

    No doubt. I didn’t know Joe nearly as well as I knew Bryan _ in part because of his time spent as a Cardinals baseball beat writer. But I got to know Joe better once he became a columnist, and yes, I think about him a lot as well.
    by jthomas 3:12 PM

    So Kroenke wanted a fee from Shad Kahn to sell his 40%!to him?
    by Tim C 3:12 PM

    As I recall at the time, that was the case.
    by jthomas 3:13 PM

    I always get the impression that the national media thinks the Rams have moved back “where they belong”, hence there’s really no outrage on the move outside of St. Louis. Seems to me that the GSOT was undervalued nationally way back when too; there seemed to be a bias against St. Louis as the Rams’ home the whole time.
    Also, was there any bias against the Rams because they were the only team owned by a woman (seen by some as ‘eccentric’)?
    by kman 3:13 PM

    I know some in the national media have expressed that sentiment to me, and if that’s the case, perhaps the Lakers should return to Minneapolis, the Clippers to San Diego, and the Dodgers to Brooklyn to square all accounts. And I guess the Rams by all rights should return to Cleveland _ they spent their first decade there after all. The Greatest Show Rams were considered a finesse team by some, and trust me, that description rankled Martz and the players at the time. But I think they got plenty of respect overall. In the case of Georgia, I think some of those feelings were present when it came to the league and some club owners _ she was eccentric. But I don’t recall that such feelings were prevalent among league owners however.
    by jthomas 3:19 PM

    Randy Kariker (sp?) said on the radio the other day that a close friend of Georgia’s told him Saturday that when she wasn’t doing well StanK promised her that he wouldn’t move the rams from STL when he took over the team. Have you ever heard anything about this before?
    by steve r 3:20 PM

    Sorry, haven’t heard that one.
    by jthomas 3:20 PM

    Gut feeling for Rams record this season?
    by Adam 3:21 PM

    OK, one more. I’ll make some kind of prediction at the end of training camp.
    by jthomas 3:22 PM

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    George Will: The Path Ahead For Hillary Clinton

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    PHILADELPHIA — En route to fight one of his many duels, French politician Georges Clemenceau bought a one-way train ticket. Was he pessimistic? “Not at all. I always use my opponent’s return ticket for the trip back.” Some Hillary Clinton advisors, although not that serene, think her victory is probable and can be assured.

    george will funny mugHer challenge is analogous to Ronald Reagan’s in 1980, when voters were even more intensely dissatisfied than they now are. There were hostages in Iran and stagflation’s “misery index” (the sum of the inflation and unemployment rates) was 21.98. By August 1979, 84% of Americans said the country was on the wrong track. A substantial majority did not want to re-elect Jimmy Carter, but a majority might do so unless convinced that Reagan would be a safe choice. Reagan’s campaign responded by buying time for several half-hour televised speeches and other ads stressing his humdrum competence.

    Now, voters reluctant to support the unpleasant and unprepared Republican also flinch from Clinton, partly because of the intimacy the modern presidency forces upon them: As one Clinton advisor uneasily notes, a president spends more time in the average family’s living room than anyone who is not a family member. Clinton is not a congenial guest.

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    Her opponent radiates anger, and America has not elected an angry president since Andrew Jackson, long before television brought presidents into everyone’s living room, where anger is discomfiting. Clinton’s campaign must find ways to present her as more likable than she seems and more likable than her adversary, both of which are low thresholds. Regarding the threshold that matters most — 270 electoral votes — she would not trade places with her opponent.
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    Since 1976, Florida, today’s largest swing state, has been somewhat more Republican than the nation. Clinton now is in a statistical tie there (in the Real Clear Politics average of polls), where the Hispanic vote is growing and moving left. She leads in Virginia, the third-largest swing state (behind Ohio), by RCP’s 5.3 points and in another purple state, Colorado, by 8 points.

    One state that might indicate a tectonic shift in American politics is Arizona, which has voted for a Democratic presidential candidate only once since Harry Truman in 1948 (Bill Clinton in 1996, by 2.2 points). In 2012, Mitt Romney defeated Barack Obama there by 9 points.

    Today, however, John McCain’s sixth Senate campaign may be becoming his most difficult. His trademark has been “straight talk” but now he must mumble evasions about the man at the top of the Republican ticket who has disparaged McCain’s war service. McCain, who has won his five previous elections by an average of 33.4 points, today leads in the RCP average by 5.5.

    If Clinton, who is in another statistical tie in Arizona, decides to compete there, one reason will be the Mormons. They are just 5% of the state population, but 8% of the general election turnout. In a competitive election, their deep cultural antipathy toward Donald Trump might swing 11 electoral votes. Utah Republicans in this year’s caucuses voted 69.2% for Ted Cruz, 16.8 for John Kasich and 14% for Trump. If Arizona becomes a presidential battleground this year, it will validate The Atlantic’s Ron Brownstein’s analysis that any Trump gains for the GOP among white blue-collar votes in Rust Belt states (e.g., Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan) may be more than matched by Clinton gains among minorities and persons with college educations in Sunbelt states and elsewhere.

    Clinton’s selection of Virginia’s U.S. Sen. and former Gov. Tim Kaine represents the rare intersection of good politics and good governance. He increases her chance of winning the 13 electoral votes of his state, which has voted with the presidential winner in four consecutive elections and seven of the last nine. He, like she, has been an executive, so perhaps experience has inoculated him against the senatorial confusion between gestures and governing.

    There probably is no Democratic governor or senator more palatable than Kaine to constitutional conservatives. Such conservatives are eager to bring presidential power back within constitutional constraints, and Kaine is among the distressingly small minority of national legislators interested in increased congressional involvement in authorizing the use of military force. And as a member of both the Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committees, Kaine can, if their paths ever cross on the campaign trail, patiently try to help Trump decipher the acronym NATO.
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    Finally, a happy day for Rams fans at Legends game

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    Still bitter about the Rams’ move to Los Angeles, Greg Gebert initially didn’t want to attend the Legends of the Dome game. The more he thought about it, though, the more he realized he couldn’t pass up a chance to see the superstars who brought him so much joy.

    Gebert eventually bought a pair of tickets and made the drive east from Wentzville with his 4-year-old son, Tyler. Then as the clock ticked closer to kickoff for the flag football game Saturday afternoon, he saw Kurt Warner on the surface where the legendary quarterback once led the Greatest Show on Turf.

    Gebert cradled his son, rushed toward Warner and asked if he would take a selfie with him.

    “Sure,” Warner said with a gentle, patient smile as fans crowded him even though he had already signed hundreds of autographs during a VIP reception.

    The Geberts were like most of the 10,600 fans who attended the Legends of the Dome charity flag football game, which benefited the Isaac Bruce Foundation.

    Many of the greatest names from the Rams’ 21 years in St. Louis — including several of the men who won Super Bowl XXXIV — returned to the Dome at America’s Center. Warner, Bruce, Hall of Famers Aeneas Williams and Orlando Pace, wide receiver Torry Holt and former coaches Dick Vermeil and Mike Martz were among the biggest names in town for the flag football game.

    “In 1999 I was just graduating high school and we went from a team that wasn’t that exciting to all of a sudden just exploding on the scene and completely dominating every game,” Gebert said. “I think it was an uplift for the city. You got football back after the Cardinals left and you kind of do something that’s magical that probably had not been done before and probably will never be done again.”

    It’s unclear if the NFL will ever return to St. Louis. If the NFL does put another franchise in the Gateway to the West it won’t be anytime soon.

    But even despised Rams owner Stan Kroenke cannot rob the St. Louis fans of their fond memories.

    Fittingly, Warner connected with Bruce on a beautiful long touchdown pass to open the scoring for the Blue squad, which eventually lost 56-49 to the White squad led by Pace and Vermeil.

    “It was awesome,” Bruce said. “We came out with the mindset of just making the fans happy and having them come out and having a good time. Mission accomplished.

    “In two words, thank you. That’s basically what we wanted to come out here and say.”

    Mission accomplished indeed.

    “Hopefully we gave that love back out tonight to the fans,” Pace said. “And hopefully some of those guys that may be a little bitter (about the Rams’ departure) got a chance to smile a little bit and reminisce on the old times of when we played in here for real.

    “To give this Dome its proper shutdown is really special also. We had a great time here. Hopefully they loved the time we spent here. The special thing about it is we gave this city a championship. That’s something nobody could ever take away.”

    The intimate crowd had such a good time they didn’t offer the familiar “Kroenke Sucks” chant until the third quarter.

    Cancer survivor Gail Johnson, 53, wore a faded blue Rams hat and a white T-shirt honoring her late cousin Steve Willis, who was a fixture at Rams home games.

    With a small portable oxygen tank hanging from her shoulder and feeding her oxygen through a nasal tube, Johnson once again cheered on her Rams.

    “My cousin died three years ago of heart disease,” Johnson said. “Man, right there on 7th and Cole streets he and my sister faithfully tailgated through all kind of weather. I love this team because to me personally I saw they had big hearts.

    “People like Isaac Bruce and Aeneas Williams have big hearts. It was more than just about winning Super Bowls or playoffs. They also gave back to the community. … Those things mean something.”

    The players and coaches also enjoyed the opportunity to see each other again. Vermeil even wore his Super Bowl championship ring.

    Many of the players got their teammates to sign their jerseys before, during and after the game.

    “I don’t wear it very often; it’s so big,” Vermeil said of his championship ring. “But it was nice to be able to put it on with the people who put it on for me. They’re the people that won it and earned it. To be able to share a day like this with them is really fun.”

    The players were asked to autograph several pieces of memorabilia.

    Gerard Oscko, 58, arrived at the game with a framed copy of the special section the Post-Dispatch put out after Warner led the Rams to the Super Bowl title.

    “I’m getting signatures on the back side (of the frame)” Oscko said. “It’s been hanging on the wall for 16 years. It brings back memories of how special this team was and how great they were and what it meant to the city and the enthusiasm that they brought to it.”

    Many fans are still bitter that Kroenke moved the Rams back to Los Angeles, but it’s clear they don’t hold the move against the former players.

    “I wouldn’t have been surprised if nobody showed up being a little bit vindictive or a little mad with the Rams organization,” Vermeil said. “But in knowing the St. Louis people like I got to know them over three years, this is really what I expected for them to come and support and show class. I think they enjoyed seeing all these guys again, too.”

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    Fisher adamant he won’t rush Goff into a starting role at quarterback

    By RYAN KARTJE

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/goff-723446-fisher-quarterbacks.html#

    LOS ANGELES – In 21 seasons as an NFL head coach, Jeff Fisher has been charged with the development of just two rookie franchise quarterbacks. With each, he proceeded with industrial-strength kid gloves.

    Steve McNair, the third overall pick in 1995, started just two games as a rookie in Houston, then four as a sophomore before finally rising to the top of the depth chart in his third season. He stayed for a decade.

    By the time the Titans moved on, drafting Texas phenom Vince Young as McNair’s replacement, the league’s standard for developing quarterbacks had shifted. But true to form, Fisher waited as long as he could to throw the Heisman runner-up into the fire. After three straight losses to open the season, though, Young was named the starter in Week 4. He went on to win Rookie of the Year, leading the league in fourth-quarter comebacks. But the success was fleeting. Four years later, he was released.

    It should come as no surprise then, given the past that colors this conservative approach, that Fisher has been in no hurry to anoint his latest rookie quarterback, Jared Goff, to unquestioned starter until absolutely, unabashedly necessary.

    But trust this: Fisher understands the price the Rams paid to move to No. 1 and select Goff. Six picks. Two first-rounders. Plus a new city of prospective fans waiting to see what unfolds. Mishandling Goff would almost certainly mean a clean sweep of the front office and coaching staff.

    This is the reality in today’s NFL, where the pressure to start quarterbacks early has never been higher, leaving far less room for nuance than in 1995, when McNair spent two seasons carrying a clipboard. All five quarterbacks selected at No. 1 since Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell in 2007 have been in the starting lineup for Week 1. None has had the weight of a rejuvenated franchise on his shoulders.

    On the final day of OTAs in June, Fisher was asked whether Goff would get the majority of the team’s first-team reps at training camp, in order to prepare for a Week 1 debut on “Monday Night Football.”

    “We haven’t changed our philosophy,” Fisher said. “We’re going to coach him to be successful. We’re not going to put him in with a chance to fail. That’s the most important thing in developing a young quarterback.”

    A few hours before the question was posed, Goff stood under center, taking snaps with the first-team offense. It would be his worst practice yet as a Ram. Goff threw four interceptions, missing high and wide, never quite finding a rhythm. It was a dispiriting conclusion to an otherwise impressive three weeks. Shortly after practice, Fisher declared that incumbent Case Keenum would open camp as the starter.

    But the question remains: With the Rams in a new city, desperate for a franchise face, how long can he possibly hold off the future?

    • • •

    When Kurt Warner signed with the Giants in 2004, after six years and a Super Bowl in St. Louis, the 34-year-old former league MVP understood that he was only a stopgap. Six weeks earlier, New York had traded for Eli Manning, the No. 1 overall pick, on draft night.

    Manning was the new face of the franchise. Still, Warner hoped he could start 16 games and parlay it into another contract elsewhere.

    Then, as Manning struggled through camp, the prospect didn’t seemed so farfetched. “Quite frankly, I was the better quarterback,” says Warner, now an NFL Network analyst.

    Manning’s timing was off. He was clearly overwhelmed. Suffice to say, he looked like a rookie, drowning in an offense that was still over his head.

    “Everything pointed to me being the starter,” Warner says. “The bigger question was for how long? How soon did they feel Eli would be ready? Or, really, how soon did they want to look to the future?”

    The answer: Nine games. At 5-4, Warner was benched in favor of the overwhelmed rookie. Manning lost six straight, while “learning on the fly.”

    All season, as Warner tried to help Manning navigate the offense, he was confident he was the better option to win. But sitting patiently through Manning’s growing pains, Giants coach Tom Coughlin told him it was for the good of the franchise. Two Super Bowls later, he doubts the coach regrets his decision.

    “Coaches that are more secure and are willing to say, ‘I’m not going to start this guy right away, and let him learn,’ I still think those are always the best-case scenarios,” Warner said. “But we just know there’s a lack of patience in our business.”

    Over the past decade, though, patience with a rookie quarterback drafted in the top-10 has hardly been a foolproof method for development. Since Fisher and the Titans drafted Young third overall in 2006, only six of the 16 quarterbacks selected in the top 10 failed to secure a starting spot for the season opener. Fifteen of 16 were starters by Week 5, with Russell as the exception. But among those six briefly held out – Young, Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Matt Leinart, Jake Locker, and Blake Bortles – there isn’t much in the way of NFL success. Their combined career record sits at a sad 71-109.

    “The quarterbacks that end up really good hit the ground running,” says Pro Football Focus analyst Sam Monson. “They warp expectations.”

    Warner sees tools in Goff that suggest he could be one of those special few – the footwork, the pocket presence, the quick release. Still, no matter when Goff starts, the former Rams star assures there will be growing pains. It’s how Goff navigates those obstacles that could very well define him.

    “Being a starter Day 1 goes beyond how smart (Goff) is, how well he knows an offense, what kind of throws he can make,” Warner said. “It’s the demeanor that makes up who that player is. “How is he going to handle failure?”

    • • •

    Considering his 21-32 record in Berkeley, there was plenty of that to go around during Goff’s tenure, when Cal’s rebuild meant climbing out from a devastating 1-11 record in his freshman season. But it was in the midst of early struggles that former Cal offensive coordinator Tony Franklin saw what he thought to be flashes of true greatness.

    In his first game against Northwestern, the stringy, 175-pound Goff threw for 450 yards, but gave away two pick-sixes in the second half, both of which were frustratingly tipped at the line. Franklin watched for signs of his quarterback deflating. But as the game went on, Goff only steeled in his resolve.

    “He never, ever lost any confidence in himself,” Franklin said. “Even then.”

    This resilience is one of many reasons Franklin is sure Goff could succeed right away in the NFL – assuming, of course, he’s put in a position to be successful. “There’s nothing worse than having a really talented guy, but then asking him to do stuff he can’t do,” he says.

    Last season, Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, drafted first and second overall, were introduced as their team’s starting quarterbacks before training camp began. But both the Bucs and Titans, respectively, took different approaches to keeping their quarterbacks comfortable and confident. With Mariota, that meant installing counter option fakes and half-field reads to ease his transition from Oregon’s spread offense. For Winston, who came from a pro-style system at Florida State, the Bucs more or less trusted him to adapt to the system they had in place. Both strategies, in their own ways, worked.

    In Goff’s case, Fisher has been open about the Rams’ plans to ease his transition with a heavy dose of running back Todd Gurley. In an ideal world, Gurley’s constant presence would mean an extra defender in the box and more 1-on-1 matches deep and on the edges for Goff to exploit.

    “Jeff Fisher’s offense has been at its happiest when he’s had an Eddie George to ride as far as he’ll take him,” Monson said. “All you’d really need Goff to do is to pick up the slack when Gurley can’t quite get it done on his own.”

    In speaking with his former pupil, Franklin says Goff has noticed a number of similarities between Cal’s offensive concepts and those he’s learning in Los Angeles – somewhat contrary to the concerns about his ability to transition from an Air Raid offense at Cal.

    How much Fisher or offensive coordinator Rob Boras will have to water down the game plan to cater to Goff remains to be seen. But during OTAs, Fisher gave some indication, refusing to simplify defensive coverages against Goff. “That’s just not our nature,” he said.

    Of course, starting a rookie quarterback in Week 1 isn’t in Fisher’s nature, either. But with Goff, it’s fair to wonder if Fisher’s conservative approach of the past could become more progressive in a hurry. If Goff doesn’t surpass Keenum before Week 1, expect doubts, fair or not, to roll in, even as those closest to Goff trust that he would take it in stride.

    In his first news conference introducing Goff, Fisher suggested that starting the rookie quarterback in Week 1 was “the goal.” In the coming weeks, he’ll undoubtedly be held to that, as Goff’s development – and his own decisions – will be put under the microscope.

    But this time, in a city yearning for quick success and an impatient league desperate for positive returns on quarterbacks, there may not be enough time – or patience – for kid gloves.

    #49063

    In reply to: Police worship

    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    http://www.salon.com/2016/07/20/conservatives_are_making_a_big_show_of_applauding_police_at_the_republican_national_convention/

    It never ends:

    Florida police shoot black man lying down with arms in air

    An autistic man’s therapist was shot and wounded by police in Florida while lying on the street with his hands in the air.

    Charles Kinsey, who works with people with disabilities, was trying to get his 27-year-old patient back to a facility from where he wandered, North Miami assistant police chief Neal Cuevas told the Miami Herald.

    Cuevas said police – who were responding to reports of a man threatening to shoot himself – ordered Kinsey and the patient, who was sitting in the street playing with a toy truck, to lie on the ground.

    Kinsey, who is black, lay down and put his hands up while trying to get his patient to comply. An officer fired three times, striking Kinsey in the leg, Cuevas said. No weapon was found on either Kinsey or his patient.

    A lawyer for Kinsey, Hilton Napoleon, gave the Herald a video showing the moments leading up to the shooting. It shows Kinsey lying in the middle of the street with his hands up, asking the officers not to shoot him, while his patient sits next to him, yelling at him to “shut up”.

    “Sir, there’s no need for firearms,” Kinsey said he told police before he was shot, according to the paper. “It was so surprising. It was like a mosquito bite.”

    Police have not released the name of the officer who fired the shots.

    Very lucky this didn’t end up as another murder by police.

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    Just yesterday I spoke with a patient of mine who is a very high ranking Democratic member of our New Mexico Statehouse and will be attending the Democratic Convention next week.
    Even though I am a registered Republican (which I don’t think I ever told her that), we get along very well and have interesting and civil political discussions when she is in the office.
    Yesterday, we discussed the presidential candidates and our total disgust with both of them.
    Our nation is not at a very proud moment of history.

    All the same, there are differences that matter. So I pay attention to the policy level.

    And if I may ask a personal question, are you going to vote, or refrain from voting?

    You can choose not to answer that of course!

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    Just yesterday I spoke with a patient of mine who is a very high ranking Democratic member of our New Mexico Statehouse and will be attending the Democratic Convention next week.
    Even though I am a registered Republican (which I don’t think I ever told her that), we get along very well and have interesting and civil political discussions when she is in the office.
    Yesterday, we discussed the presidential candidates and our total disgust with both of them.
    Our nation is not at a very proud moment of history.

    Agreed. Two terrible candidates. I’ll be voting for Jill Stein, as I did in 2012.

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    Just yesterday I spoke with a patient of mine who is a very high ranking Democratic member of our New Mexico Statehouse and will be attending the Democratic Convention next week.
    Even though I am a registered Republican (which I don’t think I ever told her that), we get along very well and have interesting and civil political discussions when she is in the office.
    Yesterday, we discussed the presidential candidates and our total disgust with both of them.
    Our nation is not at a very proud moment of history.

    #48459

    In reply to: trashing Shakespeare

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    Harold Bloom is a good go-to critic for Shakespeare. He’s perhaps the best-read, most erudite reader of the Bard alive today. If he has a flaw on the subject, however, it’s that, IMO, he tends to exaggerate Shakespeare’s importance a bridge too far. Not that he isn’t tremendously important to English Literature and our cultural inheritance in general. But Bloom tends to see him as a kind before-and-after personage. An historic dividing line. That we are somehow profoundly different, as human beings, because of him, directly.

    Possibly. But I think that’s going a bit too far when it comes to just one person in history.

    Back in the late 1990s I saw Bloom lecture on Shakespeare and the Canon at UVA in Charlottesville. It was a wonderful experience, made all the better for the post-lecture gathering next to Jefferson’s famous Lawn. He was, I think, in his late 60s at the time, but already having health issues. Very friendly toward us, very patient, but I remember him being like someone out of a Woody Allen film, too. Almost diva-like, as an intellectual, which is somewhat unusual.

    The chance to do things like that, see world-class critics, writers, artists, etc. was the main reason I moved to C’ville at the time. I’m no longer there and miss that kind of cultural moment. Time for me to seek out more of that kind of thing closer to home.

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    #47522

    Topic: MkUltra

    in forum The Public House
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    MkUltra was the name for the CIA program whereby various Americans and Canadians were experimented on. (some died)

    I was curious about the “sexual abuse” allegation in the Wiki article. I cant find any info on that.

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    http://gizmodo.com/project-mkultra-one-of-the-most-shocking-cia-programs-1370236359
    According to the hearing report, “eighty-six universities or institutions were involved,”[12] and “185 non-government researchers and assistants” worked on these projects.[13] “Physicians, toxicologists, and other specialists in mental [and] narcotics” were lured into MKUltra through the provision of grants that were “made under ostensible research foundation auspices, thereby concealing the CIA’s interest from the specialist’s institution.”[14]

    For some of the 12 hospitals that participated in Project MKUltra, tests were conducted on terminal cancer patients – presumably because the experiments were anticipated to have long-lasting detrimental, if not lethal, effects…
    Project MKUltra consisted of 149 subprojects…
    …6 subprojects studied the effects on human tissue of “exotic pathogens and the capability to incorporate them in effective delivery systems.”[22]….
    …Sadly, but not surprisingly, almost no records remain of the 10 years of covert activity. As Senator Kennedy noted:
    Perhaps most disturbing of all was the fact that the extent of experimentation on human subjects was unknown. The records of all these activities were destroyed in 1973, at the instruction of then CIA Director Richard Helms.[23]

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
    The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and officially halted in 1973.[2] The program engaged in many illegal activities,[3][4][5] including the use of unwitting U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects, which led to controversy regarding its legitimacy.[3](p74)[6][7][8] MKUltra used numerous methodologies to manipulate people’s mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, hypnosis,[9] sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.[not verified in body]

    The scope of Project MKUltra was broad, with research undertaken at 80 institutions, including 44 colleges and universities, as well as hospitals, prisons, and pharmaceutical companies.[10] The CIA operated through these institutions using front organizations, although sometimes top officials at these institutions were aware of the CIA’s involvement.[11] As the US Supreme Court later noted, MKULTRA was:

    concerned with “the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior.” The program consisted of some 149 subprojects which the Agency contracted out to various universities, research foundations, and similar institutions. At least 80 institutions and 185 private researchers participated. Because the Agency funded MKUltra indirectly, many of the participating individuals were unaware that they were dealing with the Agency.[12]

    Project MKUltra was first brought to public attention in 1975 by the Church Committee of the U.S. Congress, and a Gerald Ford commission …

    #46555
    bnw
    Blocked

    You think you are the judge and jury.

    One more personal remark and I will be forced to consider closing the thread.

    We all get warned about personal remarks now and then in this forum…it includes a lot of emotional topics.

    But I can’t in good faith offer more than two warnings and not act. It comes with the job description.

    Oh brother. I’ve been more than patient with the personal shit thrown my way this week. Do what you must.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

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    Omar Mateen and Rightwing Homophobia: Hate Crime or Domestic Terrorism?

    Juan Cole

    link: http://www.juancole.com/2016/06/rightwing-homophobia-terrorism.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

    US law enforcement is at least initially categorizing the horrific Orlando shootings as “domestic terrorism.”
    I don’t think it probably was terrorism in any useful sense of the term.
    I used to know what domestic terrorism was, before the term became politicized in the past decade. It was defined right there in the Federal code of 1992:

    “(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”

    The great thing about this definition is that it focuses on the motive behind the act. And it specifies that the motive has to be to coerce people or influence or affect government policy.

    So if the alleged shooter, Omar Mateen, was a terrorist you would expect him to make demands about US government policy. There will be more such acts, he would have said, unless the US government passes a law outlawing homosexuality. Or unless the US government withdraws from Afghanistan. (But if he aimed to change the latter policy, why shoot up a civilian gay club on Latin night? Wouldn’t he have targeted, say, a US Army base?)
    Shootings like Orlando that hit “soft targets” such as restaurants or nightclubs are not a form of classical strategic terrorism. Serious terrorist would hit military targets, e.g.–an act that might hope to degrade US security. Shooting down people at a nightclub has no obvious strategic goal. Such a goal is intrinsic to the tactic of terrorism, and its absence should cause us to question the use of the term.
    What we know about Mateen so far doesn’t indicate that he was a member of a terrorist organization. If the authorities thought that he was, the crime would have been labeled international terrorism, not domestic.
    We know that his father, Seddique Mateen, is a Pushtun nationalist from Afghanistan who objects to the 1893 Durand Line that the British drew between British India and Afghanistan, which cut the Pushtun ethnic group in two. Today, the Pushtuns (called Pukhtuns in the local dialect) are a majority in the province of Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa of northern Pakistan, while the Afghanistan Pushtuns dominate a number of provinces stretched across eastern and southern Afghanistan. Decades ago a Pushtun nationalism that wanted to unite Pushtuns into a single country and secede from both Pakistan and Afghanistan had some popularity, but it is now a fringe movement.
    Mateen senior goes on a California Persian-language tv and promotes this subnationalism. He is also said to support the Taliban, but that may be because he sees them as authentically Pushtun and oppressed by the Punjabi Pakistani officer corps, rather than because he is a fundamentalist. His big emphasis seems to be on erasing the Durand Line. He asserted that his son’s action had nothing to do with Islam. Although the US press is depicting Seddique Mateen as himself perhaps unbalanced, his position isn’t crazy, it has just become a minority idea.

    You could imagine Mateen being brought up to resent that the West had divided and weakened the Pushtun ethnic group. But there isn’t any evidence that Omar shared his father’s separatist politics.
    We know that Omar Mateen’s marriage failed because, his ex-wife alleges, he beat her. Her Muslim relatives were so appalled on hearing this that they extracted her from the match.
    She says he wasn’t religious 8 years ago.
    We know that a co-worker when he was employed as a security guard considered him unbalanced, racist and homophobic, and even left his position rather than continuing to have to work with him.
    We know the FBI investigated him twice and found no reason to pursue the inquiry or to keep him on a terrorist watch list.
    So this person looks as though he was unbalanced and extremely prejudiced individual who bought two semi-automatic weapons only last week and then committed a mass shooting against a group against which he was bigoted.
    He may have invoked Daesh (ISIS, ISIL) as he began his mayhem, but there is no reason at the moment to think that he was involved with them in any practical way.
    He was about to commit a mass murder that he must have known would likely end in his own death as well.
    So it may be that he was searching for a way to make sense of his homicidal impulse, a way to give meaning to his senseless killing and senseless death.
    So, a major, major hate crime for sure. But terrorism? What is the governmental policy he wanted changed?
    If it was about gay marriage, well, there is a lot of political opposition to that on the Republican Right, and violence against gays has been a feature of the American far right.
    In fact, you could argue that the American evangelical groups that successfully lobbied Uganda to execute gays were engaged in a form of international legislative terrorism–they are certainly driven by a political agenda and wanted to see people killed; they were just more patient about it.
    In a mirror image of Mateen, police in LA arrested James Wesley Howell , a right wing white conspiracy nut. Howell was found with high powered rifles and bomb-making materials. He says that Hillary Clinton is Hitler, and he is a truther, alleging that the US government is behind terrorist attacks since 2000. He was headed to the Gay Pride parade in Los Angeles, though friends of his denied that he is a homophobe. (Friends don’t always know these things).
    If Howell was planning an act of violence at the parade, it was forestalled by his arrest, so it is hard to compare him to Mateen, especially since we know so little about Howell’s intentions. But these two men both seem to have been unbalanced, and both intended to go to a gay event.
    The biggest thing they had in common between being off their rockers was that they had free access to high powered firearms despite all the signs they exhibited of being one can short of a six-pack.

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    WV,

    Am with you on that. I don’t have the energy for arguments these days, either. Though, every now and then, things boil up inside me and it comes out. Then I go back inside, way inside, and think: Why on earth did I bother? It’s not worth it, etc.

    Too old, too tired, too many other things to do — too many much better things to do. So, yeah. I get that.

    Also: I’m obviously new to this version of the board, and I don’t know bnw, really, at all. So I probably shouldn’t have included him with the general group I referred to. I also think it’s preferable to try to find common ground if it’s there. So, basically, just ignore what I said.

    :>)

    Beyond all of that: You’ve always been far more patient online, with all kinds of different people, and I give your props for that. I think I do a pretty good job of that in the real world, but not always online. Something to work on.

    Anyway . . .

    In solidarity.

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    Dylan Thompson

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dylan-thompson?id=2552571

    6’3″
    218LBS.

    ANALYSIS

    STRENGTHS

    Adequate height with good bulk on his frame. Recognizes when to take a deep shot and is decisive in doing so. Puts some pepper on his throws. Able to throw the deep out to the field side.

    WEAKNESSES

    Footwork is an absolute mess. Has issues getting feet set on many throws and compounds issue by short-arming throw. Inaccurate, with tendency to sail the ball or throw behind receiver. Below average leading receivers to give them a chance to pick up yards after catch.

    DRAFT PROJECTION Priority free agent

    BOTTOM LINE One-year starter in the SEC with adequate size. Poor footwork and substantial accuracy and ball placement issues have him tabbed as a draft reject on several draft boards, according to scouts.

    ===

    Dylan Thompson

    Height: 6-2.5
    Weight: 212
    School: South Carolina

    http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2015/QB/Dylan-Thompson

    Bio: Moved into the starting role last season then set a South Carolina record with a conference leading 3564 yards passing. Also threw 26 TDs.

    Positive: Patient intermediate range passer who accurately places throws. Sits in the pocket, scans the field and goes through progressions. Elusive with the ability to scramble away from defenders, buys time and improvises when plays breakdown. Quickly locates the open receiver, effectively times his throws and does not have receivers waiting on the ball. Knows where his receivers are and accurate making the throw on the move. Possesses a relatively quick release.

    Negative: Lacks great pocket stature. Cannot drive deep throws.

    Analysis: Thompson did a terrific job the only year he started for South Carolina and displayed enough accuracy to warrant space on a practice squad.

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    On the health care issue again. There is no reason for Single Payer to produce wait times. Those are almost entirely a result of the ratio of patients to doctors, and have next to nothing to do with the kind of insurance system in place. The real way to fix those wait times is to make sure there are plenty of doctors, hospitals and staff to support the needs of every community/region. And a great way to guarantee this is to make all public colleges and universities tuition free. This will also do away with the need for doctors to charge high enough rates to cover their student loans — which can set them back well over 150K.

    When it comes to rationing, that’s a different issue. In the capitalist system, “rationing” is done according to who can afford to pay for care. We have long had “death panels” for the poor, for the working poor, and for many a middle class person, even those with insurance. In my own case, I have to forego certain medical care suggested by my GP and oncologist, outside the scope of the seemingly urgent. Last year, this included treatment for Sleep Apnea. This year, other kinds of care. There are millions of Americans in worse shape than I am, too. “Rationing” is a part of our system, because of its profit motive and privatized nature, and most of it will vanish if we go to a truly non-profit, Single-Payer system. Most but not all. The rest would, if we decommodified all of it.

    Other issues will crop up, as mentioned before. But they won’t be “rationing” or “wait times.”

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    100 NFL predictions that will frame 2016 season

    ESPN.com

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15794943/100-nfl-predictions-frame-2016-season-tom-brady-ryan-fitzpatrick-eddie-lacy-jj-watt-von-miller

    Tuesday marks 100 days from the start of the 2016 NFL season. What better way to celebrate than with 100 predictions from our crew of NFL reporters? Have at ’em.

    1. QB Jimmy Garoppolo will lead the Patriots to a 3-1 record should Tom Brady serve a four-game suspension (at Arizona, vs. Miami, vs. Houston, vs. Buffalo). Garoppolo has shown obvious growth on the practice field and is ready to prove he is a capable NFL starter. — Mike Reiss

    2. I’ll do you one better, Mike: Garoppolo’s services won’t be needed. Tom Brady will not miss the first four games of the season. I’m banking on Brady’s legal dream team finding a way to drag out the process again. — Mike Sando

    3. Free-agent QB Ryan Fitzpatrick will re-sign with the Jets shortly before training camp. Fitzpatrick needs a team, and the Jets need a starting quarterback. The staring contest will last until late July, with the urgency of training camp finally forcing both sides to the bargaining table. Tough luck, Geno Smith. — Rich Cimini

    4. Seahawks coach Pete Carroll will sign a contract extension worth more than $10 million per year before the start of the season. Carroll is in the final year of his contract, but he wants to stay in Seattle until at least 2018. — John Clayton

    5. Questions about Eddie Lacy’s weight won’t cease. Even though the Packers’ RB is slightly slimmer than last season, he’ll always be a big running back whose weight will be blamed when he has a poor performance. — Rob Demovsky

    6. The Texans will play it safe with J.J. Watt, keeping him on the shelf during the preseason. Watt is recovering from significant surgery after tearing five different core muscles. — Tania Ganguli

    7. The NFL will develop a weekly half-hour sitcom featuring vice president of officiating Dean Blandino. The pitch: “A man and his friends laugh, cry and find meaning in the inexplicable (catch) rules of life.” — Kevin Seifert

    8. Darren McFadden will be trade bait by the end of the summer. With Ezekiel Elliott and Alfred Morris, the Cowboys will hear from a RB-needy team willing to give up a draft pick for McFadden, who rushed for 1,089 yards last year. — Todd Archer

    9. Better wrap your head around the idea: Mark Sanchez will be the quarterback who opens the regular season for the defending Super Bowl champs unless injury gets in the way. And the Broncos are just fine with that because, frankly, they like him more than you’d think. — Jeff Legwold

    10. Even with the presence of Alshon Jeffery, 6-foot-3 Bears WR Kevin White will play a significant role near the goal line. Consider that Brandon Marshall and Jeffery ranked one-two in the NFL in end zone targets while with Chicago during the 2013-14 seasons. — Mike Clay

    11. Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins will play under the franchise tag this season. Both sides want a long-term deal, but unless Washington meets Cousins’ asking price by the July 15 deadline, there’s little incentive for him to sign now. The Redskins want to see more; Cousins is willing to bet that he’ll show them what they want and cash in next offseason. — John Keim

    12. The Seahawks have not heard the last from Marshawn Lynch. Able-bodied players generally don’t walk away from good money. Seattle would have to activate or cut Lynch if he chose to return, an awkward situation after the team drafted three running backs. — Mike Sando

    13. Carolina’s Kawann Short will sign a long-term deal that makes the 2015 Pro Bowl selection among the five highest paid defensive tackles in the NFL. — David Newton

    14. Blaine Gabbert will take first-team reps at quarterback for the 49ers through most of training camp. Coming off three surgeries, Colin Kaepernick isn’t getting the chance to pick up the pace of Chip Kelly’s offense. Gabbert looks in control of the offense at the moment, running plays every 20 seconds. — John Clayton

    15. But this is far from a settled QB situation in San Fran, so I’m betting the 49ers will start three different quarterbacks at some point this season. Gabbert, Kaepernick and Jeff Driskel will all get time for Chip Kelly. — Field Yates

    16. RB Le’Veon Bell won’t play much in the preseason. The Steelers will be cautious with Bell’s knee, as the star back tries to have his first NFL season without injury. — Jeremy Fowler

    17. Giants DE Jason Pierre-Paul will be the talk of training camp. He’s focused, healthy and already being hyped about by teammates as looking much different than he did a year ago. — Dan Graziano

    18. LB Vontaze Burfict’s three-game suspension at the start of the season will have a minimal impact on the Bengals’ defense. If anything, his Week 4 return will serve as jolt for the Bengals as they work through a tough early season stretch. — Coley Harvey

    19. Sam Bradford will remain the Eagles’ No. 1 quarterback through the preseason. First-year head coach Doug Pederson will not want to flip-flop on his first major (and very public) decision. — Phil Sheridan

    20. Chiefs LB Justin Houston won’t begin the regular season on the active roster. Despite the optimism that he can be ready when the season starts, Houston had ACL surgery in February and such a speedy return is unlikely. — Adam Teicher

    21. Robert Griffin III’s name will be No. 25 on that jersey of Browns’ QB starters since 1999; he’ll start the opener against Philadelphia. But don’t be surprised if, for the fifth season in a row, the Browns start their No. 3 QB in the season finale. That could be rookie Cody Kessler, who’s expected to make the roster either as the No. 2 or No. 3 QB. — Pat McManamon

    22. Dolphins coach Adam Gase isn’t spilling the beans on how he plans to use first-rounder Laremy Tunsil, but look for the Ole Miss product to find a home at guard — not offensive tackle — in Year 1. That’s where he’s needed most for this team. — James Walker

    23. Colts QB Andrew Luck will sign a contract extension worth between $23 million to $23.5 million per year sometime before the start of training camp. Luck is the franchise and the team needs to lock him up sooner than later. — John Clayton

    24. If Luck doesn’t beat him to it first, Saints QB Drew Brees will sign the richest annual salary deal for a QB in NFL history — for the second time in five years. Look for Brees and the Saints to agree to a four-year extension worth more than $90 million on the eve of training camp. — Mike Triplett

    25. Falcons RB Tevin Coleman will get ample opportunity to show he can split reps with Devonta Freeman, despite Freeman’s coming off a 1,000-yard, Pro Bowl season. — Vaughn McClure

    26. At some point during training camp, you will hear the following question asked on sports-talk radio: How will Russell Wilson’s engagement to Ciara affect his play? I promise to do everything in my power to stop this, but I’m only one man. — Sheil Kapadia

    27. The Ravens will run significantly more pass plays with three-plus wide receivers on the field after ranking 27th in the category last season. This will allow intriguing breakout player Breshad Perriman, who has 4.24 40 speed, plenty of opportunities to produce. — Mike Clay

    28. Although the Rams will say all the right things about remaining patient, No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff will start at quarterback on opening night against the San Francisco 49ers. The investment to get him was too big and the alternatives so uninspiring that the Rams will ride with their rookie. — Nick Wagoner

    29. Harrison Smith will have a new contract by the start of the regular season. The Vikings know they need to get a deal done with the Pro Bowler, who has become one of the NFL’s best at his position. General manager Rick Spielman took the somewhat unprecedented step (for him, at least) of admitting as much after last season. — Ben Goessling

    30. In maybe the easiest prediction of the year, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will not attend a Patriots home game in 2016. Relations between the team’s fans and the commissioner are still frosty as Deflategate lingers. — Mike Reiss

    31. Brock Osweiler will have some growing pains in his first month as a member of the Texans, but he will ultimately break the franchise record for touchdowns in a season (29). — Tania Ganguli

    32. Even though Cardinals coach Bruce Arians has said RB David Johnson will be the team’s bell cow, veteran Chris Johnson will claim the starting job. They’ll continue to pair together for a dynamic “thunder and lightning” backfield, but CJ2K’s experience will win him the job. — Josh Weinfuss

    33. One more veteran quarterback — perhaps Nick Foles or Josh McCown — will be traded before the regular season. — Field Yates

    34. Tony Romo will get hurt (again), giving Bucs QB Mike Glennon a lot of trade value. A desperate Jerry Jones will make Tampa GM Jason Licht an offer can’t refuse for the fourth-year QB. — Mike DiRocco

    35. As RB Melvin Gordon continues to rehab from microfracture knee surgery, don’t be surprised if the Chargers take their time getting him back on the field in training camp and the preseason. San Diego needs its 2015 first-rounder healthy for the regular season. — Eric D. Williams

    36. The first time Raiders QB Derek Carr has a rough stretch in a preseason game, a certain segment of fans will call for rookie Connor Cook to supplant Carr. Hey, the backup QB is usually the most popular guy on the team, right? — Paul Gutierrez

    37. Colts offensive line coach Joe Philbin is back in his comfort zone and will produce immediate results in Indy, revamping what has been the team’s weakest link. — Mike Wells

    38. The biggest concern the Jaguars will have about No. 5 overall pick Jalen Ramsey is which number he’ll wear. He had already made enough strides in the defense before his knee injury that the Jaguars were re-considering using him at only one CB spot. — Mike DiRocco

    39. Rest easy, Baltimore: QB Joe Flacco will be ready for the start of training camp. His knee injury will keep him out of spring practices, but Flacco is driven to prove he’s an elite healer. — Jamison Hensley

    40. Titans rookie RB Derrick Henry will be the team’s starter by Week 5. He’ll show he’s more valuable than DeMarco Murray, who the team traded for this offseason. — Tania Ganguli

    41. The Broncos will write the biggest check in franchise history and give Von Miller that mega-deal he has been wanting. And Miller will show exactly why when he keeps the momentum of last season’s Super Bowl run right into the 2016 season. — Jeff Legwold

    42. I’ll go one step further, Jeff: Von Miller will become the highest paid defensive player in league history. — Field Yates

    43. Redskins LB Junior Galette will recapture his pre-injury form. He looked so good last summer before tearing his Achilles, and the early reports from coaches and teammates have been positive. Galette had double-digit sacks in both 2013 and 2014. — John Keim

    44. Fifth-round pick Jordan Howard will prove to be the Bears’ top RB. It won’t take long for the 230-pound bruiser out of Indiana to overtake the underwhelming Jeremy Langford. — Mike Clay

    45. Agree to disagree, Mike: Jeremy Langford will the Bears’ featured rusher, even though John Fox likes the RB-by-committee approach. Eclipsing 1,000 all-purpose yards isn’t out of the question for Langford. — Jeff Dickerson

    46. Jets defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson won’t get a long-term contract. Don’t be surprised if Wilkerson, who has yet to sign his $15.7 million franchise tender, skips the entire offseason program, including training camp. That would be a spite move; the deadline for franchise players to sign long-term deals is July 15. — Rich Cimini

    47. The return of Kelvin Benjamin will propel Cam Newton to even greater heights. A year after winning the MVP while Benjamin was sidelined (ACL), Newton will look to his favorite target early and often. — David Newton

    48. Lions first-rounder Taylor Decker will be the starter from day one at left tackle, pushing Riley Reiff to the right side. It might not always go well, but he’ll build a foundation for the future. — Michael Rothstein

    49. With Randy Gregory suspended the first four games of the season, Benson Mayowa will win the Cowboys’ right DE job coming out of training camp. He has started three games in his career and has two career sacks. — Todd Archer

    50. Shaq Lawson will start the season on PUP, missing at least the first six games. The Bills’ first-round pick underwent shoulder surgery three weeks after being drafted. — Mike Rodak

    51. Rookie Sterling Shepard will open as the Giants’ No. 2 wide receiver. Victor Cruz is still a long way off, and there remains a chance he never makes it back. — Dan Graziano

    52. We’re in agreement here with Sterling Shepard, Dan. In fact, I’ll go so far to say that the second-rounder will be on the field for nearly every pass play run by the Giants this season. New York has ranked second in the league in three-plus WR sets during each of Ben McAdoo’s two seasons with the team. — Mike Clay

    53. The Ravens will trade Eugene Monroe to the first team that loses a starting left tackle to an injury. No. 6 overall pick Ronnie Stanley is the future at left tackle, and the Ravens drafted him because of their questions about Monroe’s ability to protect the quarterback’s blind side. — John Clayton

    54. Mike McCarthy isn’t thrilled that the Packers have to play five preseason games this year, so don’t expect to see much of WR Jordy Nelson until it counts after he blew out his knee in an exhibition game last summer. — Rob Demovsky

    55. First-round rookie CB Artie Burns will not be a Week 1 starter for Pittsburgh. He’ll be a good player, but Burns is fairly raw and the Steelers will ride with their veterans early. — Jeremy Fowler

    56. The Vikings will again try to get Adrian Peterson involved in the passing game, especially as they try to use him in the shotgun more effectively than they did last year. The running back said he wanted to be a better receiver after last season, and he has been working to improve there in the offseason. — Ben Goessling

    57. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan will cater the offense more to Matt Ryan’s strength as a pocket passer. The addition of Pro Bowl center Alex Mack certainly will help the cause — Vaughn McClure

    58. Neither TE Jimmy Graham nor RB Thomas Rawls will play in the preseason for Seattle. Both players are coming off season-ending injuries — ruptured patellar tendon for Graham, fractured ankle for Rawls — and the team will be patient as they get back to full strength. — Sheil Kapadia

    59. Joe Thomas will open the season in Philly — as a member of the visiting Browns. Cleveland’s new regime has unloaded veteran players almost as a matter of policy, but none was a truly elite talent. Thomas is, which should keep him in Cleveland. — Mike Sando

    60. No player has ever had to explain why 105 catches and 1,304 yards receiving were a “step back” like Demaryius Thomas has this offseason. But book it, Thomas’ offseason work showed he’s poised to be a problem for opposing defenses. — Jeff Legwold

    61. Cardinals first-round DT Robert Nkemdiche will make some veterans and incumbent starters sweat in training camp. He’s a top-five talent whose skill will drop jaws the more he’s on the field. Limiting Nkemdiche to 30 plays a game, as is planned, will allow him to harness his energy and explode onto the scene. — Josh Weinfuss

    62. The Ravens, who have pushed the NFL to overhaul and expand replay review, will win a game on an unreviewable bad call. Next year: Abolish replay for everyone! — Kevin Seifert

    63. Kelvin Beachum will win the left tackle job in Jacksonville. Luke Joeckel, the No. 2 overall pick in 2013, will move inside to left guard. — Mike DiRocco

    64. Eagles DE Fletcher Cox will torment offensive linemen in training camp. After skipping OTAs in pursuit of a new contract, Cox will be highly motivated to prove his worth. — Phil Sheridan

    65. Even though the Bills are “encouraged” with the progress of QB Tyrod Taylor, he won’t get a contract extension before the regular season. If Taylor turns into a stud this upcoming season, the Bills should have the cap space to assign him the franchise tag next spring. — Mike Rodak

    66. 49ers RB Carlos Hyde will be put in protective bubble wrap this preseason and see little, if any, of the field. After all, the 49ers went into a tailspin after Hyde suffered a stress fracture in his left foot last season. — Paul Gutierrez

    67. The Chiefs will eventually release running back Knile Davis. He fell from favor and dropped down the depth chart last season, and other teams won’t relinquish a draft pick for a player they know the Chiefs will cut. — Adam Teicher

    68. CB James Bradberry will quickly make Carolina fans forget Josh Norman, as the rookie out of Samford will win the starting corner spot opposite Bene Benwikere. — David Newton

    69. A year after failing to top 1,000 yards for the first time since 2010, Frank Gore will surprise some with his play. He’s trying to become the first 33-plus-year-old RB to rush for 1,000 yards since 1984. The Colts will scream “Finally!” if Gore does because he’d be their first rusher to eclipse that mark since 2007. — Mike Wells

    70. Colts rookie RB Josh Ferguson will be drafted in nearly every fantasy league that takes place in August. Indianapolis made little effort to add depth behind Gore, opening the door for the undersized but explosive scat back out of Illinois to emerge as a coveted handcuff. — Mike Clay

    71. Rams DE William Hayes will have HBO subscribers believing in mermaids and rejecting the notion that dinosaurs ever existed after five weeks of watching “Hard Knocks.” OK, maybe we shouldn’t go that far, but Hayes will be the show’s breakout star. — Nick Wagoner

    72. RB Lamar Miller will gain 300 yards in the first month of the season. The Texans will use him more than the Dolphins ever did and he’ll reward them. — Tania Ganguli

    73. As the Bengals look for a complement to top receiver A.J. Green, expect 2015 practice squad WR Jake Kumerow to get a lot of action this summer. He and rookie Tyler Boyd will be heavily used in the preseason. — Coley Harvey

    74. Undrafted rookie RB D.J. Foster (Arizona State) and first-year WR DeAndre Carter (Sacramento State) are two dark-horse candidates who will make a surprise run at roster spots. Foster’s quickness and dual-threat skills as a rusher/pass-catcher give him a chance, and Carter is a spark plug slot receiver. — Mike Reiss

    75. The Cowboys won’t trade G Ronald Leary, who’s an unrestricted free agent after this season. The Cowboys know the importance of offensive line depth and are willing to pay him $2.553 million this year and hope for a potential compensatory pick in 2018 when Leary leaves as an unrestricted free agent. — Todd Archer

    76. Steelers free-agent TE Ladarius Green will become a breakout star in this offense. He was under-used in San Diego, and Ben Roethlisberger will take advantage of Green’s unique skill set. — Jeremy Fowler

    77. Jay Cutler will be caught on camera in-game yelling at offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains. Cutler had zero known outbursts with Adam Gase, but Loggains’ temper is more volatile. It’s the perfect storm. — Jeff Dickerson

    78. Expect at least one “wow” play from No. 3 overall pick Joey Bosa in the preseason. Bosa is too talented, and Chargers defensive coordinator John Pagano will find ways to free up the Ohio State product as a pass-rusher. — Eric D. Williams

    79. The Giants will, for the second year in a row, wake up in August and realize they need to sign a veteran safety off the offseason scrap heap. It won’t be Brandon Meriweather again. — Dan Graziano

    80. Vikings first-round WR Laquon Treadwell will start from day one. No one on the roster fills Minnesota’s need for a split end like Treadwell, who’s the kind of physical presence the receiver group has been missing. — Ben Goessling

    81. Rob Ryan will be a surprise replacement for Rex Ryan at a news conference. You know this will happen at some point. The twin brothers haven’t worked together since 1995, and before the season ends, they’ll find a way to have some fun with the media. — Mike Rodak

    82. Who needs a baseball instructor to teach you how to slide? Not QB Andrew Luck. Luck will finally stop being stubborn and realize it’s OK to slide instead of taking unnecessary hits (see early fourth quarter of Week 9 last season). — Mike Wells

    83. Seahawks WR Doug Baldwin will sign a contract extension before the start of the season. He’s entering the final year of his deal, and it makes sense for both sides to keep the partnership going after Baldwin enjoyed a breakout performance in 2015. — Sheil Kapadia

    84. Terrelle Pryor will make the Browns’ roster as a receiver, and will run, catch and throw the ball for Hue Jackson this season. — Pat McManamon

    85. Even with Jared Goff and new passing game coordinator Mike Groh in place, the Rams’ offense will still revolve around RB Todd Gurley. So long as Gurley remains healthy, he’ll average 20-plus touches per game. — Nick Wagoner

    86. Detroit will end up with the best combination of facial hair in the league. The Lions already had DeAndre Levy, who has one of the best beards in the league, and they added rookie A’Shawn Robinson’s plush chinstrap in the draft. — Michael Rothstein

    87. Speaking of facial hair: Mike McCarthy will shave his beard — again. The Packers’ coach grew one last offseason too, but then shaved it right before the season opener. Look for him in the razor aisle of a Jacksonville area Walgreens in September. — Rob Demovsky

    88. Raiders CB D.J. Hayden will respond to the challenge and solidify his standing as the starter … in the slot. Not exactly a first-rounder’s standing, but it’s progress, yes? — Paul Gutierrez

    89. Don’t expect TE Coby Fleener to replicate Jimmy Graham’s ridiculous 2011 season. But now that he’s in New Orleans, Fleener will be drafted ahead of Graham in your fantasy league. — Mike Triplett

    90. The albino tiger will become a common sight. Jaguars WR Marqise Lee, who was given that nickname by OC Greg Olson, will make it through the entire offseason, training camp, and preseason completely healthy. — Mike DiRocco

    91. The Cardinals will sign veterans at cornerback and offensive tackle before the starting of training camp. General manager Steve Keim knows those are two areas where Arizona needs more depth, and Keim does a great job of find one-year solutions. — John Clayton

    92. Eagles WR Nelson Agholor will open eyes in his second training camp. After a disappointing rookie season, the 2015 first-round pick bought his own JUGS machine so he could catch passes at home. That’s dedication. — Phil Sheridan

    93. Jets DE Sheldon Richardson will be suspended by the NFL. In January, he pleaded guilty to resisting arrest, stemming from a high-speed car chase last July — an apparent violation of the league’s personal-conduct policy. It will mark the second straight year that he begins the season on the suspended list. A year ago, it was a substance-abuse violation. — Rich Cimini

    94. Dolphins S Reshad Jones will end his holdout soon. The Pro Bowler wants a new contract and is missing voluntary work to prove his point. But don’t expect Jones to risk a fine by missing mandatory minicamp next month or training camp in July. — James Walker

    95. Tyler Bray will win the Chiefs’ backup quarterback job over Aaron Murray and rookie Kevin Hogan. He’s the most talented of the bunch, and the fact that he began offseason practice in that role indicates the Chiefs would like him to win this position battle. — Adam Teicher

    96. Ben Jones will eat at least one roach by the end of training camp. The Titans’ center has been known for his antics. — Tania Ganguli

    97. Ravens will reach an extension with franchise player Justin Tucker. The sides have until July 15 to strike a deal, and it was a good sign that Tucker was at voluntary OTAs. Plus, where else are the Ravens going to find an opera-singing, Matthew McConaughey-impersonating kicker? — Jamison Hensley

    98. Jameis Winston’s offseason fitness work will pay off, as the Bucs QB will lead the NFL in passer rating and TD passes in the preseason. — Mike DiRocco

    99. No media access policy, be it from the Bills or another team, will contribute to a single win or loss. Nor will it be responsible for raising a single dollar of revenue. — Kevin Seifert

    100. Cam Newton will come up with a touchdown celebration that will make the “dab” look drab. — David Newton

    Ozoneranger
    Participant

    Sorry to hear your story ozone.

    On Italy. Italy is not a single-payer public insurance system. The medical industry itself is part public, which is technically called socialized medicine (although in this case it is a mixed system). Socialized medicine and single-payer insurance systems are different. In contrast to Italy, for example, in the Canadian single-payer system, the medical industry is private and only the insurance is public.

    In Italy:

    …healthcare is provided to all citizens and residents by a mixed public-private system. The public part is the national health service, Sistema sanitario nazionale (SSN), which is organized under the Ministry of Health and is administered on a regional basis.

    Family doctors are entirely paid by the SSN, must offer visiting time at least five days a week and have a limit of 1500 patients. Patients can choose and change their GP, subjected to availability.

    On, however, single payer and wait times in Canada:

    http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/single-payer-does-not-equal-increased-wait-times/

    Now it’s possible that single payer systems can lead to increased wait times. In Canada, they keep spending far below what we put out. They do so partially by spacing out visits for elective procedures and such. That’s a conscious decision, and it leads to some people waiting for elective care. But that’s an outcome of their financial conservatism, not the single payer system. Other countries (think France) don’t have the same issues with elective procedures because they spend more money. Our single payer system (Medicare) has far fewer spending restraints, and does not suffer from the wait time problem

    That is, the decision to have longer wait times for elective procedures in Canada is a deliberate Canadian fiscally conservartive policy, not a direct result of a single-payer system.

    .

    On Italy- Obviously, I’m not a resident and they did not bill my insurance provider directly (Kaiser wanted a tax ID number for the hospital). I paid up and was reimbursed. So perhaps I’m not 100% fully informed about how my wife’s care, such as it was, fit into their system. I received a demand for payment via registered letter with no detailed bill for services provided.

    Canada- My sources are two Canadian widows from a couple of FB support groups. One elected to self-fund a boob job, of all things, due to quality of care concerns. The other is still recuperating from the auto accident that killed her husband. A third source is an instructor in a tech class I took last November. He cut one class short so he could make an appointment for chronic back pain- he stated that he HAD to go or wait several more months.

    So I’m providing anecdotal evidence on the Canadian system which is really all I have. As for Italy, thanks for firming that up.

    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    Sorry to hear your story ozone.

    On Italy. Italy is not a single-payer public insurance system. The medical industry itself is part public, which is technically called socialized medicine (although in this case it is a mixed system). Socialized medicine and single-payer insurance systems are different. In contrast to Italy, for example, in the Canadian single-payer system, the medical industry is private and only the insurance is public.

    In Italy:

    …healthcare is provided to all citizens and residents by a mixed public-private system. The public part is the national health service, Sistema sanitario nazionale (SSN), which is organized under the Ministry of Health and is administered on a regional basis.

    Family doctors are entirely paid by the SSN, must offer visiting time at least five days a week and have a limit of 1500 patients. Patients can choose and change their GP, subjected to availability.

    On, however, single payer and wait times in Canada:

    http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/single-payer-does-not-equal-increased-wait-times/

    Now it’s possible that single payer systems can lead to increased wait times. In Canada, they keep spending far below what we put out. They do so partially by spacing out visits for elective procedures and such. That’s a conscious decision, and it leads to some people waiting for elective care. But that’s an outcome of their financial conservatism, not the single payer system. Other countries (think France) don’t have the same issues with elective procedures because they spend more money. Our single payer system (Medicare) has far fewer spending restraints, and does not suffer from the wait time problem

    That is, the decision to have longer wait times for elective procedures in Canada is a deliberate Canadian fiscally conservartive policy, not a direct result of a single-payer system.

    .

    Ozoneranger
    Participant

    This is rather long, so I apologized in advance…

    I have experienced a single payer system. Italy. Two years ago, my wife was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer after a five year remission (three mets so it was pretty advanced). This was ten days before a planed two week Med cruise. In a “fuck it all moment,” we decided to go ahead with the trip- Italy was was lifetime dream destination for my wife. She was symptomatic but seemingly healthy enough to travel. We kept our bad news from family (the plan was to tell them upon our return) and flew to Barcelona to embark on the ship.

    About half way through the cruise, my wife started deteriorating. Once I convinced her to see the ship’s doctor, her liver started to fail and we were fairly kicked off the ship in Venice and transported by ambulance (with full siren) to Ospidale del Angelo in Mestre, Venice. It was a clean, modern facility. Unfortunately, very few English speakers. I was unable to communicate to them what I knew of my wife’s condition. After tests, she was admitted to what I now know was a hospice ward. Due to her condition, her doctor would not allow her to fly on less than an air ambulance. I tried to arrange this through my insurance provider (Kaiser Permanente) and actually had an aircraft and medical staff on standby to get my wife home. However, after a conference call between the Italian docs and Kaiser docs in Sacramento, Ca. (Kaiser provided the translator), it was determined she would not survive the flight (this was a business jet and would take 16 hours and four refueling stops). “No hope.” That’s what her doctor told me in his limited English. My wife passed seven days after being admitted.

    Those seven days: I was trying to communicate with staff- only one nurse spoke passable English and he was either busy or off duty 16 out of 24 hours so I couldn’t get through to them to call my wife’s oncological team in CA so they could coordinate treatment. Actually, none of the staff even tried to talk to me, although I did attempt to use Google translate on an Ipad. One did loan me a power converter so I could keep my smart phones and Ipad charged up and was able to keep my family updated, not to mention communicating with Kaiser’s liaison. Thinking back now that I can think and remember more clearly, the only treatment they administered was a hydrating drip and vitamin K for the liver. As far as I can tell, they made no attempt to at the very least stabilize her for the trip back the states. I mentioned earlier that she was admitted to a hospice ward. I came to that conclusion due to watching five people die on that ward during the stay, the fifth being my wife. To this day, I am convinced she was “death paneled.” They did request a PET scan, which I refused as she had undergone one the day before we departed. They did a CT scan instead. I practically begged them to contact her oncologist in California, which was met with mute stares.I’m pretty sure the doctors and staff were not accustomed to a very involved care-giver husband. So for seven days treatment consisted of water administered by me, Vitamin K drip and in the end, morphine. No food to speak of -she stopped eating after day one, but they did feed me (lived in the hospital until my kids arrived, when I rented a B&B close by the hospital).

    I received the bill via registered mail after my return to the states. 4000 Euros. A bargain, I suppose, when compared to the $75000 bill for my wife’s prophylactic bi-lateral mastectomy back in 2010. I don’t know what her eight rounds of chemo and 25 rounds or radiotherapy was. My laundry bill in Venice was 30 euros, kindly arranged by the two Foreign Patient Liaison staffers assigned to us. They also found the B&B for me. They were very nice to me. Wish they could have had some medical training to help me communicate, though.

    So you must wonder what my opinion is via the single payer…nice if you have broken arm. But serious illness? I’m not so sure. And from what I know of the Canadian system, which is the system most Americans point to in this debate, the wait times for non-emergency appointments are astronomical. And it’s not “free” anywhere. I was in BC Canada a few years ago and paid a VAT tax of 14% on some gift items. In Ireland, there just last week, it’s 23% on taxable items. I know this to be true because I’m in the process of filling out the Irish paperwork to be reimbursed from the receipts I saved from the trip.

    I the US will adopt the single payer system. It’s inevitable, really. But I don’t think we’re going to like it very much and God help you if you find yourself in a dire medical predicament…there are no “heroic measures” in this system.

    I’m sorry your wife had to pass away under those conditions. Did you call the US embassy or consular office for assistance? The US Diplomatic Mission has a large presence throughout Italy including Venice. I’m very sorry for your loss.

    Yes, I was in contact with the consulate, who kept tabs on us. They helped where they could.

    bnw
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    This is rather long, so I apologized in advance…

    I have experienced a single payer system. Italy. Two years ago, my wife was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer after a five year remission (three mets so it was pretty advanced). This was ten days before a planed two week Med cruise. In a “fuck it all moment,” we decided to go ahead with the trip- Italy was was lifetime dream destination for my wife. She was symptomatic but seemingly healthy enough to travel. We kept our bad news from family (the plan was to tell them upon our return) and flew to Barcelona to embark on the ship.

    About half way through the cruise, my wife started deteriorating. Once I convinced her to see the ship’s doctor, her liver started to fail and we were fairly kicked off the ship in Venice and transported by ambulance (with full siren) to Ospidale del Angelo in Mestre, Venice. It was a clean, modern facility. Unfortunately, very few English speakers. I was unable to communicate to them what I knew of my wife’s condition. After tests, she was admitted to what I now know was a hospice ward. Due to her condition, her doctor would not allow her to fly on less than an air ambulance. I tried to arrange this through my insurance provider (Kaiser Permanente) and actually had an aircraft and medical staff on standby to get my wife home. However, after a conference call between the Italian docs and Kaiser docs in Sacramento, Ca. (Kaiser provided the translator), it was determined she would not survive the flight (this was a business jet and would take 16 hours and four refueling stops). “No hope.” That’s what her doctor told me in his limited English. My wife passed seven days after being admitted.

    Those seven days: I was trying to communicate with staff- only one nurse spoke passable English and he was either busy or off duty 16 out of 24 hours so I couldn’t get through to them to call my wife’s oncological team in CA so they could coordinate treatment. Actually, none of the staff even tried to talk to me, although I did attempt to use Google translate on an Ipad. One did loan me a power converter so I could keep my smart phones and Ipad charged up and was able to keep my family updated, not to mention communicating with Kaiser’s liaison. Thinking back now that I can think and remember more clearly, the only treatment they administered was a hydrating drip and vitamin K for the liver. As far as I can tell, they made no attempt to at the very least stabilize her for the trip back the states. I mentioned earlier that she was admitted to a hospice ward. I came to that conclusion due to watching five people die on that ward during the stay, the fifth being my wife. To this day, I am convinced she was “death paneled.” They did request a PET scan, which I refused as she had undergone one the day before we departed. They did a CT scan instead. I practically begged them to contact her oncologist in California, which was met with mute stares.I’m pretty sure the doctors and staff were not accustomed to a very involved care-giver husband. So for seven days treatment consisted of water administered by me, Vitamin K drip and in the end, morphine. No food to speak of -she stopped eating after day one, but they did feed me (lived in the hospital until my kids arrived, when I rented a B&B close by the hospital).

    I received the bill via registered mail after my return to the states. 4000 Euros. A bargain, I suppose, when compared to the $75000 bill for my wife’s prophylactic bi-lateral mastectomy back in 2010. I don’t know what her eight rounds of chemo and 25 rounds or radiotherapy was. My laundry bill in Venice was 30 euros, kindly arranged by the two Foreign Patient Liaison staffers assigned to us. They also found the B&B for me. They were very nice to me. Wish they could have had some medical training to help me communicate, though.

    So you must wonder what my opinion is via the single payer…nice if you have broken arm. But serious illness? I’m not so sure. And from what I know of the Canadian system, which is the system most Americans point to in this debate, the wait times for non-emergency appointments are astronomical. And it’s not “free” anywhere. I was in BC Canada a few years ago and paid a VAT tax of 14% on some gift items. In Ireland, there just last week, it’s 23% on taxable items. I know this to be true because I’m in the process of filling out the Irish paperwork to be reimbursed from the receipts I saved from the trip.

    I the US will adopt the single payer system. It’s inevitable, really. But I don’t think we’re going to like it very much and God help you if you find yourself in a dire medical predicament…there are no “heroic measures” in this system.

    I’m sorry your wife had to pass away under those conditions. Did you call the US embassy or consular office for assistance? The US Diplomatic Mission has a large presence throughout Italy including Venice. I’m very sorry for your loss.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 9 months ago by bnw.

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    This is rather long, so I apologized in advance…

    I have experienced a single payer system. Italy. Two years ago, my wife was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer after a five year remission (three mets so it was pretty advanced). This was ten days before a planed two week Med cruise. In a “fuck it all moment,” we decided to go ahead with the trip- Italy was was lifetime dream destination for my wife. She was symptomatic but seemingly healthy enough to travel. We kept our bad news from family (the plan was to tell them upon our return) and flew to Barcelona to embark on the ship.

    About half way through the cruise, my wife started deteriorating. Once I convinced her to see the ship’s doctor, her liver started to fail and we were fairly kicked off the ship in Venice and transported by ambulance (with full siren) to Ospidale del Angelo in Mestre, Venice. It was a clean, modern facility. Unfortunately, very few English speakers. I was unable to communicate to them what I knew of my wife’s condition. After tests, she was admitted to what I now know was a hospice ward. Due to her condition, her doctor would not allow her to fly on less than an air ambulance. I tried to arrange this through my insurance provider (Kaiser Permanente) and actually had an aircraft and medical staff on standby to get my wife home. However, after a conference call between the Italian docs and Kaiser docs in Sacramento, Ca. (Kaiser provided the translator), it was determined she would not survive the flight (this was a business jet and would take 16 hours and four refueling stops). “No hope.” That’s what her doctor told me in his limited English. My wife passed seven days after being admitted.

    Those seven days: I was trying to communicate with staff- only one nurse spoke passable English and he was either busy or off duty 16 out of 24 hours so I couldn’t get through to them to call my wife’s oncological team in CA so they could coordinate treatment. Actually, none of the staff even tried to talk to me, although I did attempt to use Google translate on an Ipad. One did loan me a power converter so I could keep my smart phones and Ipad charged up and was able to keep my family updated, not to mention communicating with Kaiser’s liaison. Thinking back now that I can think and remember more clearly, the only treatment they administered was a hydrating drip and vitamin K for the liver. As far as I can tell, they made no attempt to at the very least stabilize her for the trip back the states. I mentioned earlier that she was admitted to a hospice ward. I came to that conclusion due to watching five people die on that ward during the stay, the fifth being my wife. To this day, I am convinced she was “death paneled.” They did request a PET scan, which I refused as she had undergone one the day before we departed. They did a CT scan instead. I practically begged them to contact her oncologist in California, which was met with mute stares.I’m pretty sure the doctors and staff were not accustomed to a very involved care-giver husband. So for seven days treatment consisted of water administered by me, Vitamin K drip and in the end, morphine. No food to speak of -she stopped eating after day one, but they did feed me (lived in the hospital until my kids arrived, when I rented a B&B close by the hospital).

    I received the bill via registered mail after my return to the states. 4000 Euros. A bargain, I suppose, when compared to the $75000 bill for my wife’s prophylactic bi-lateral mastectomy back in 2010. I don’t know what her eight rounds of chemo and 25 rounds or radiotherapy was. My laundry bill in Venice was 30 euros, kindly arranged by the two Foreign Patient Liaison staffers assigned to us. They also found the B&B for me. They were very nice to me. Wish they could have had some medical training to help me communicate, though.

    So you must wonder what my opinion is via the single payer…nice if you have broken arm. But serious illness? I’m not so sure. And from what I know of the Canadian system, which is the system most Americans point to in this debate, the wait times for non-emergency appointments are astronomical. And it’s not “free” anywhere. I was in BC Canada a few years ago and paid a VAT tax of 14% on some gift items. In Ireland, there just last week, it’s 23% on taxable items. I know this to be true because I’m in the process of filling out the Irish paperwork to be reimbursed from the receipts I saved from the trip.

    I the US will adopt the single payer system. It’s inevitable, really. But I don’t think we’re going to like it very much and God help you if you find yourself in a dire medical predicament…there are no “heroic measures” in this system.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 9 months ago by Ozoneranger.
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