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March 28, 2018 at 8:17 pm #84685znModerator
Where will Suh Play in the Rams’ Defensive Front?
Myles Simmons
For much of his career, Ndamukong Suh has lined up as a three-technique tackle in 4-3 defensive fronts.
Sure, Suh has moved around on the line to create better pass-rushing matchups in both Detroit and Miami. But he’s become a household name in large part because of his strength and technique lining up between the guard and tackle.
Los Angeles, however, doesn’t run a 4-3 under defensive coordinator Wade Phillips — a noted 3-4 guru. And even if it did, the club has reigning AP Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald, who has been a mainstay at the position for the franchise since his rookie year of 2014.
So where does that leave Suh? According to head coach Sean McVay, the newest Ram is slated to play nose tackle — or one-technique — in Los Angeles’ base defense. That will put Suh between Donald and defensive lineman Michael Brockers, who plays five-technique for L.A.
“Ndamukong is going to go into it in our base defense and he’s going to play the nose, actually,” McVay said during the coaches breakfast at the league meetings in Orlando on Tuesday. “But I think when you get into some of your four-down fronts, you’ll still see him line up as a three, you might see him line up as a shade on top of that center. Aaron Donald will still play a three-technique in our base defensive structures that we play in on first and second downs.”
“Again we wanted to make sure [we asked], ‘OK, do you feel good about the way we envision you?’” McVay continued, referring to the process of meeting with Suh. “Certainly that’s something where it’s always, we adapt and adjust as we get more familiar with you and how we can accentuate your skillsets.”
And with Suh playing next to Donald, the Rams should have a lot of flexibility in the way they attack the interior of an offense — particularly on passing downs.
“I do know this, when you look at Ndamukong and Aaron side by side, that always — just from an offensive coaching standpoint — that always provides a unique challenge as far as when we’re in our six-man protection, if it’s a slide protection, do we want to turn the center to [Donald], do we want to turn it to [Suh],” McVay said. “But it provides a lot of unique challenges and opportunities to kind of free up those guys to get the one-on-one matchups.”
And Phillips has more than proven how well he can create those one-on-one matchups with his scheme. The defensive coordinator said many times during the 2017 season that was his goal for Donald, who ended up tying a career high with 11.0 sacks in just 14 games. With interior defenders as talented as Donald, Suh, and Brockers, the Rams should be in great shape on their defensive line.
“I think if there’s anything that you can appreciate and respect so much about what Wade’s done,” McVay said, “he’s going to try and put great players in good spots to go make plays.”
March 29, 2018 at 8:52 pm #84700znModeratorRams’ Ndamukong Suh: Expected to play nose tackle
RotoWire Staff
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/rams-ndamukong-suh-expected-to-play-nose-tackle/
Rams head coach Sean McVay said Wednesday that Suh will play nose tackle in defensive coordinator Wade Phillips’ 3-4 base defense, Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times reports.
After spending most of his career as a three-technique defensive tackle in 4-3 schemes, Suh is joining a 3-4 unit that already features Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers as the ends. It may take some time for Suh to get comfortable at nose tackle, but his combination of athleticism and tenacity ultimately should translate at any position along the interior line. None of this will be an issue when the Rams are in their nickel defense — which should be well over half the time — as Brockers can simply come off the field. Suh is signing a one-year, $14 million contract with Los Angeles, seemingly passing up larger offers for the chance to play on a stacked team. He’ll still have plenty of chances to rush the quarterback, and the Giants’ Damon Harrison has proven it’s not impossible to pile up tackles from the nose spot.March 29, 2018 at 8:54 pm #84701znModeratorSuh is joining a 3-4 unit that already features Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers as the ends.
Sigh.
Common mistake.
March 31, 2018 at 8:49 pm #84750znModeratorRams confident Ndamukong Suh will adjust to new system
Alden Gonzalez
LOS ANGELES — No defensive lineman has played more snaps than Ndamukong Suh over the past eight years. He compiled 6,773 of them from 2010 to 2017, and 5,413 of those — nearly 80 percent — have come while lined up as a left defensive tackle, according to ESPN Stats & Information.
But that will hardly be the case with the Los Angeles Rams.
That’s the spot occupied by Aaron Donald, who, if you haven’t heard, is quite good. Instead, Suh will line up at nose tackle when the Rams are in their 3-4 base set, a spot where he has spent only about 3 percent of his career.
“Those are things that we talked about with Ndamukong,” Rams coach Sean McVay told reporters from the owners meetings in Orlando, Florida, earlier this week. “We wanted to make sure, ‘Hey, do you feel good about the way we envision you?'”
Clearly, Suh does. He signed a one-year, $14 million contract with the Rams earlier this week, choosing them over the New Orleans Saints, Tennessee Titans and potentially others, even though he’ll basically be playing out of position while operating out of a 3-4 system for the first time in his career.
Wade Phillips’ 3-4 scheme plays similarly to a 4-3 set, the most notable difference being that the edge rushers operate out of a standing position as opposed to a three-point stance. It’s still the one-gap penetrating front that Suh is accustomed to, situating defensive linemen between the opposing offensive linemen as opposed to lining up directly in front of them.
In base sets, Donald will remain the 3-technique, operating between the left tackle and the left guard. Michael Brockers will return to being situated to the outside of the opposing right tackle as the 5-technique, a position he switched to early in the 2017 season. And Suh will be situated between them as the nose tackle, between the opposing center and guard.
In slide protections, when a blitz is anticipated from the left outside linebacker — something the Rams did frequently with Robert Quinn last season — the Rams now can create a major dilemma for opposing offenses: Do they use their center to double-team Donald or Suh?
Neither answer is really the correct one.
“It provides a lot of unique challenges and opportunities for us to kind of free up those guys to get the one-on-one matchups,” McVay said. “I think if there’s anything you can appreciate and respect so much about what Wade has done is he’s going to try to put great players in good spots to go make plays.”
The Rams will have some flexibility when they are in sub packages, which, according to ESPN Stats & Information, they ran 70.1 percent of the time last season. In those instances, they could incorporate defensive end Dominique Easley, if he’s healthy. And that could allow the Rams to move Suh and Donald around.
“When you get into some of your four-down fronts,” McVay said, “you’ll still see [Suh] line up as a [3-technique], and you might see him line up as a shade on top of that center.”
Donald and Suh have combined for 90.5 career sacks, the most by defensive tackle teammates since Dan Wilkinson and Vonnie Holliday combined for 97 on the 2006 Miami Dolphins, according to research from the Elias Sports Bureau. While lined up as a tackle pre-snap, Donald and Suh have combined for 42 sacks over the past four years, which would be the most by current teammates, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Second most? Donald and Brockers with a combined 38.
Donald, the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year, ranks second only to Oakland Raiders defensive end Khalil Mack with 252 total pressures since 2015, according to Pro Football Focus.
Suh averaged 58 pressures and 532 pass-rush snaps from 2014 to 2016, but he generated only 43 pressures in 495 pass-rushing snaps in 2017.
Suh should get more pass-rushing snaps this season, and with Donald next to him, he will be double-teamed far less frequently, which means his pressures will theoretically pick back up. The Rams first touched base with Donald to make sure he was OK with them pursuing Suh, and McVay said, “the mutual respect that exists between those two players was imperative” to making the connection happen. The two have “talked amongst each other as this thing was going on,” McVay added.
Suh has 44.5 career sacks as either a left defensive end or a left defensive tackle and only seven everywhere else, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Donald basically has split his career sacks as a left defensive tackle (13.5) and a right defensive tackle (12), while adding 6 as a nose tackle, 5.5 as a right defensive end and 2 as a left defensive end.
Donald provides the Rams with more versatility, but Suh will move around a lot now, too.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 7 months ago by zn.
March 31, 2018 at 9:09 pm #84753znModeratorThe Rams will have some flexibility when they are in sub packages, which, according to ESPN Stats & Information, they ran 70.1 percent of the time last season.
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April 1, 2018 at 8:39 am #84756wvParticipantIf he can just stop the run it will be a major plus.
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vApril 1, 2018 at 11:43 am #84759snowmanParticipantThis could be a lot of fun to watch. Maybe Brockers, Donald and Suh will shift positions pre-snap and drive opposing qbs crazy.
April 1, 2018 at 12:00 pm #84760znModeratorThis could be a lot of fun to watch. Maybe Brockers, Donald and Suh will shift positions pre-snap and drive opposing qbs crazy.
This is pedantic minutia and so on, BUT just for fun and conversation, I don’t see that. Donald can move to end or play 3 tech but he’s not an every down NT. Brockers and Suh can switch because both can play DE and NT (though I think Brockers is better at DE than NT). But I am not sure there’s an advantage there.
So I don’t see a whole lot of moving around in base 3/4 sets. You need someone good at NT on every down in those sets.
They can do that stuff in 4/3 sets all over the place.
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