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i am not the most football knowledgeable, but this makes sense to me. goff is young and raw. he needs seasoning.
hopefully we’re just scratching the surface right now cuz it’s looking good so far.
from laram
I’m not really interested in talking to posters that are incapable or unwilling to examine players through a wide angle lense.
Its boring and soporific to me to look at players one way just because they play for your favorite team.
And to be labelled as being negative or not liking a player is lazy and superficial.
Janoris Jenkins was my top corner coming out and nobody was harder on him than I was his first couple of years with the Rams.
I consistently pointed out things I wanted him to cleanup, getter better eye discipline, clean-up his foot work be more physical off the line etc., etc.
I do that with all players.
If I don’t like a player I will flat out say it like I did with Nick Foles, Austin Davis, Barrett Jones, Adam Carriker or Damione Lewis the list goes on and on.
And this underappreciation of still shots is mind boggling to me. They are invaluable at looking at a play, so much so that head coaches quarterbacks, defensive coaches and players study them on the sidelines during games.
They show formations, coverages, route combinations pressure points in certain coverages just everything regarding what took place on any given play.
They assist coaches in making in-game adjustments on both sides of the ball.
Not acknowledging their value is tantamount to nullifying the term “freeze frame”… that is what a still shot is.
The stills being posted on the board are invaluable and can help education everyone on the complexities of the game.
They also reflect what I see sitting at almost every home game at the 42 yard line 15 rows up.
Most home games me and Ronnie sit there and go through every play.
Especially during the Seattle game Ronnie sits there all game saying “look he’s playing inside technique its man coverage he’s using the boundary as an extra defender”.
“Pre-snap Goff should go to Watkins here”. Watkins has his man beat, Goff gives a cursory look then goes to the other side out of bounds.
Or he’ll say “Goff is script reading half’s he’s not reading backside tags”.
“McVay is giving Goff pass/run options depending on the look”
That’s invaluable real-time stuff that reveals itself in the stills posted. I appreciate B&G and Govane posting them.
If you want to learn the game you should study B&G’s still, he knows football!!
Mama you just listen to ME! wink2 smiley
Its no secret I preferred Wentz over Goff but Goff is our qb and I want him to succeed.
Goff is not there yet he’s on a script and when things don’t go per script like against Minny you gotta go off script and in a game where one or two plays can determine the outcome, you have a smaller margin of error.
You gotta hit the plays when they’re there!!
So I want Goff to clean this up, I wanna see progression in this area.
When he has a clean pocket and everything goes per script he throws one of the best deep balls in the game!!
But he has a long way to go in being able to take over a game, or be clutch in pressure situations.
What he did in the final minutes of the Seattle game against a soft zone in prevent…doesn’t move ME.
The game should never have come down to the final minute.
There were too many other plays left on the field. He misses far too many plays, especially in the redzone.
I like Goff I just wanna see steady progression in the nuisances of the position.
I don’t see it….YET!
this is from the same thread. i also bolded the part where he talks about how minnesota used goff’s tendencies against him. he sounds like he knows what he’s talking about anyway!
los angeles lenny
When I share this tidbit of info let me validate it by my playing experience and who taught the class: West Hills College: Coach Clausen (his sons were Jimmy Clausen, who played for the Bears, KC Clausen who I believed played for KC)
Northern Arizona University: Andy Reid, Brad Childress) Mesa State College: Donnie Holmes: receiver for CardinalsThis is the cumulative beliefs from this group.
Keys for the receivers:
Presnap read: work smart! know where the play is going and what where you are supposed to be. give yourself space to work in.
1) when you line up you need to distinguish what defense and coverage they are in.
If it is man to man coverage- these are the rules: you need to run precise patterns in a timely fashion, your pattern will include more straight line or precision cuts, you have to get into the db so you can get away from him, as you break you lean into the db and use his body to push off or go the other way to create separation. you explode off your first step at the line of scrimmage.
2) if they are in zone: the precision of the pattern is not important, the spacing is important. your job is to find a seam, gap, window in the zone. your pass patterns are rounded, sometimes delayed (because you are allowing the defense to clear out and then you go where they vacated.
Does everybody remember the Super Bowl when Peyton Manning was yelling, Omaha. He is doing a presnap read, Omaha: cold mean, audible, blitz, man to man or zone coverage.
The receivers have the same thing: when they come to the line of scrimmage they could place their hands on their waste (meaning) I am in man coverage I am going deep, or they can let their arms hand which means 10 yard cushion, throw me the ball. The point I am trying to stress is there is a ton of communication going on at the line of scrimmage by everybody.
When I say Sammy is not a natural receiver, he excels at catching, running, getting of the ball. But rule number one: you have to be your QB’s best friend. There are many times when he is running routes he is open early and not feeling the coverage. He is running the route and not taking what the D is giving him. There is a difference between breaking off your pattern and running yourself open. I am not a tech savy guy so I can not show you what I am talking about, but he does not feel the coverage or exploit its weakness. and yet he is still open a lot.
With Goff, I feel he looks early and then if it is not open, he fixates on the crossing route or the back in the flat. I wish he would look the free safety off, and then go backside to Sammy.
McVay runs a lot of misdirection, motion to assist the QB with the coverage (or pre snap) reads. Minnesota took the tape on Goff, took away his running game, and used his tendencies against him. What ever side he runs to: look for the man underneath or the back in the flat. That is why he was throwing into such tight spots. If Goff ever throws to his backside receiver to make the FS play honest it will get back to looking like everybody is wide open. Sammy needs to feel the coverage and make himself big. You can tell where the ball is just by where the defense is, you do not have to look back at the QB.
I said this at the 49 er game, put Sammy in the slot and get him the ball. He is one of the most explosive athletes on the field, good things will happen.
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