What is a #1 WR and can Woods be one

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  • #66168
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    I don’t define a #1 WR as an elite WR. Most elite WRs are also #1s, but not all #1 WRs by my definition are elite. I define a #1 WR as any WR–of any talent set or body type—who can both catch 70 passes and get 1000 yards. So that includes guys like Edelman and Baldwin. A #1 is just your leading, reliable go-to guy, someone who comes through consistently. And yes all good offenses have one. The mistake in these conversations is sometimes some people confuse “elite” with “#1.” And yes by my definition you can have a pair of them. If you look at top offenses they all have one, and yes it is necessary.

    Top 12 passing offenses and their #1 WR:

    Saints … Thomas, 92 + 1137 (and they had Cooks too)
    Washington … Garcon, 79 + 1041
    Falcons … Jones, 83 + 1409
    Patriots … Edelman, 98 + 1106
    Steelers … Brown, 106 + 1284
    Colts … Hilton, 91 + 1448
    Packers … Nelson, 97 + 1257
    Chargers … Wiiliams, 69 + 1059
    Cardinals … Fitzgerald, 107 + 1023
    Seahawks … Baldwin, 94 + 1128
    Lions … Tate, 91 + 1077
    Ravens … Wallace, 72 + 1017

    Now is Woods capable of being roughly the equivalent of a Garcon, Edelman, Baldwin, or Tate? Not talking body type, talent set, or where he lines up—just talking about a certain level of consistent production.

    And IMO yet Woods is capable of being that. Not promising it–he has to come through and hold up. BUT based on what we have seen of him, sure, he can be that I think. It will depend not just on him but how he is used and how well he and Goff get in sync. I think McVay is capable of using him this way and of milking his strengths for consistent production.

    I am thinking of him as the high-end solid type #1 WR, who while not elite like Jones, can be used for consistent production. In terms of comparisons, I think of him as having more than Proehl, as being a few pegs down from Bruce but with some similar traits. Kind of a Preston Dennard (not comparing styles or physical traits just his tier of WR talent). In a lot of ways he’s a younger, middling budget version of Garcon. Again not style or body type, just how you use him and what you should expect.

    So yes I think he can be a #1.

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    #66171
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    i don’t know.

    statistically, as i said before, his production is comparable to garcon. he’s young with potential to improve not just on his own but with fit. mcvay and lafleur. can they maximize his talent. garcon flourished under shanahan and mcvay. lafleur has roots in those offenses. this could be the rams garcon signing when garcon signed with washington.

    i do have concerns about him staying healthy. he seems to get nicked up a lot. last year for example he could have really taken off after watkins went down. but he banged up his knee, and he struggled after that.

    but the potential is there.

    #66188
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    I agree with your definition zn and I do think he can be a good one as well. I wonder how many guys could have been #1WRs with a really good QB throwing it to them.Woods can run any route in the game , he can beat press coverage he can get open, he will fight for the ball and wins darn near all of them. He can read defenses , find the soft spot in zones . He has great hands and body control plus he is a great blocker and he is just 24 (25 in April).

    #66189
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    I agree with your definition zn and I do think he can be a good one as well. I wonder how many guys could have been #1WRs with a really good QB throwing it to them.Woods can run any route in the game , he can beat press coverage he can get open, he will fight for the ball and wins darn near all of them. He can read defenses , find the soft spot in zones . He has great hands and body control plus he is a great blocker and he is just 24 (25 in April).

    From what I have known and seen, I agree with all that. He doesn’t have much of a high-end upside in terms of just raw physical talent, but then, the whole point of this discussion was that you can get #1 WR production out of a guy who has the things you list but not necessarily the high-end skills.

    #66222
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    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/33260/wr-robert-woods-feels-part-of-history-in-joining-rams

    from Alden Gonzalez, WR Robert Woods feels part of history in joining Rams
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    Woods was primarily the Bills’ No. 2 receiver over the past four seasons. He has yet to reach 700 yards in a single season and he only reached the end zone once last year. But he’s still about a month away from turning 25, so the Rams believe there’s upside. They love his ability to sell routes, particularly on in-breaking ones 15 yards down the field. They love his aptitude for playing on the outside and in the slot. And they love his physicality.

    Woods, listed at 6-foot, believes that flexibility, coupled with his highly regarded skills as a blocker, can help running back Todd Gurley get going on the ground after a horrific second season.

    #66223
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    . But he’s still about a month away from turning 25, so the Rams believe there’s upside. They love his ability to sell routes, particularly on in-breaking ones 15 yards down the field. They love his aptitude for playing on the outside and in the slot. And they love his physicality.

    Just a comparison.

    Would people have been happy with Garcon this year if they had signed him?

    Garcon did not surpass the combined 70 catches/1000 yards mark until his 6th season (2013).

    I was very much in favor of them signing him in 2012 and wish they had.

    Roughly speaking, in general terms, Woods is 2017’s cheaper Garcon alternative.

    Garcon, career numbers:

    #66224
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    The other thing those numbers point to for me anyway is McVay’s ability to get more out of
    Garcon’s skill set increasing every year he was OC.

    #66231
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    i don’t even think he has to be.

    he was barely a 1000 yard receiver last year, and washington was still a very dominant offense. the ball was spread around, and the tight ends were features heavily. if the rams decide to go tight end early in the draft, that guy could could quickly become the main receiving threat in this offense. drafting a guy like bucky hodges will basically be drafting a huge wide receiver in the mold of a graham.

    plus mcvay never had a guy like gurley taking pressure off the passing game. now of course goff and gurley could be busts, and none of this will matter. but woods will be just part of a whole. if he ends up being a number 1 receiver all the better, but i don’t think this offense has to bank on him being that. they just need him to be better than britt. and he can be that just by being a leader. a professional who comes in. works hard. knows the offense. runs precise routes. a guy the qb can rely on. basically everything britt wasn’t.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 8 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    #66301
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    gqscholar wrote:

    FROM SPOTRAC: Robert Woods signed a 5 year, $34,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Rams, including $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,800,000. In 2017, Woods will earn a base salary of $3,000,000 and a roster bonus of $4,000,000. Woods has a cap hit of $7,000,000.

    However, Woods deal is really a 1 year deal for 7 million. Another 8 million becomes guaranteed if he is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2018 season.

    If Woods performs, the rams can keep him for 8 million next year and less than 7 million a year for the remaining length of his contract

    If Woods stinks, the rams can cut him before the 5th day of 2018 season without taking any cap hit.

    #66303
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    gqscholar wrote:

    FROM SPOTRAC: Robert Woods signed a 5 year, $34,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Rams, including $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $6,800,000. In 2017, Woods will earn a base salary of $3,000,000 and a roster bonus of $4,000,000. Woods has a cap hit of $7,000,000.

    However, Woods deal is really a 1 year deal for 7 million. Another 8 million becomes guaranteed if he is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2018 season.

    If Woods performs, the rams can keep him for 8 million next year and less than 7 million a year for the remaining length of his contract

    If Woods stinks, the rams can cut him before the 5th day of 2018 season without taking any cap hit.

    this is a good deal for the rams. low risk.

    and with woods going from a run heavy offense to what is presumably a more sophisticated passing offense.

    mcvay will find ways to optimize his talent.

    and even then i expect them to add more skill position players.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 8 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    #66389
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    Free Agency All 22 with WR Robert Woods

    Rams Insider Myles Simmons breaks down the game film on new wide receiver Robert Woods.

    http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/Free-Agency-All-22-with-WR-Robert-Woods/b5607f41-efb4-49c2-8656-89848f02c8f2

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