4/28-? … the Goff pick reaction thread

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April 29, 2016 at 1:00 am #42795

zn
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DR RAM

I heard, through Goff’s coach, that they focused on flexibility, and not weights for his program, and that was a reason why he wasn’t heavier/stronger. If we draft him, we can do whatever we want, program wise. I’m really not worried about either of these guys work ethic, or leadership.

April 29, 2016 at 1:00 am #42790

PA Ram
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I hope all the Goff haters on the board will give the kid a chance.

I see good things–no–great things to come.

Yes–the Rams will have to give him some skill players–some wide receivers. But once he has those weapons–look out.

He’s ours now–all ours. He is one of our own.

Put that whiskey bottle down, Nittany and forget Wentz. He “wentz” to another team.

We have our QB–and he’s going to be a star.

And we will win a Superbowl before we’re dead.

Believe it.

I feel good about this. I’m going to be positive. No one will recognize me.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

April 29, 2016 at 1:28 am #42800

zn
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PA Ram wrote:

Yes–the Rams will have to give him some skill players–some wide receivers. But once he has those weapons–look out.

We may have more of that already than it looked like last year. Not that they don’t need a WR but still, there may be more on hand than it looked like there was.

I see this kind of thing around a lot, from guys who watch the coach’s 22 replays:

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RustyRay

The lame QB play has hurt all the Rams WRs…they have guys open, they have people running wide open at times…its time for them to find a qb that can digest that, see it and throw it…once that happens I think we will have a better appreciation for what they really have outside

Get NFL rewind and watch the coaches tape.

Rams have open WRs…. They dont and havent had a person to deliver…are they always open? Nope…do they get open enough? Yep.

April 29, 2016 at 2:02 am #42802

zn
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jrry32

In a decade, this will be the day that Rams fans look back at and say, “We became a real contender. All those years of pain were worth it.” Not the day of the trade. The day the Rams took Goff.

If he were coming out of a pro style offense, people would have been riding his d*** hardcore this off-season. Would have gotten compared to Luck.

He’s the next great QB. Mark my words. I felt this way long before I thought it was possible that the Rams would get him. He’s going to be great. And this is a place where he can succeed.

April 29, 2016 at 10:20 am #42815

zn
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What I like about this pick.

Well I like Goff so assuming he works out as projected, what I like about this pick goes back to something I used to say a lot…namely, that I think it works better when you add a qb to a more established team than when you take a qb high and try and build around him. So there’s the Bradford model and the Flacco model and I just prefer the Flacco model.

Could they have taken another qb? Sure, but instead they put themselves in a position to take the one they liked best out of the entire draft.

In its own, different way, it’s their “turn a weakness to a strength” approach. Last year they added 6 rookie linemen, if you add Williams and Battle to the draft picks. Unlike OL you can only start one qb at a time, so, the equivalent is spending a lot of picks on one guy. So it’s not just a matter of “well we can add this or that qb,” but instead they go “okay who is the best qb we can add right now.”

April 29, 2016 at 10:30 am #42817

joemad
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So it’s The Goff Angeles Rams…..

So is the kid gonna wear #16 like Joe? Not Joe Montana, but the original 16….

Joe Pendelton, Leo Fawnworth, or Tom Jarrett????/

April 29, 2016 at 11:32 am #42818

snowman
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I have read conflicting statements about which QB is more NFL ready.

This from Benoit:

As Jon Gruden, Mike Mayock, Greg Cosell and countless others inside the NFL have said: This (Carson Wentz) is the most pro-ready QB to enter the league since Andrew Luck. Keep in mind, Bradford has been a middling NFL quarterback and will be learning a mostly new system just like Wentz will. This will begin as an inherently equal QB competition. And all ties would go to the youngster.

And this from Greg Rosenthal, NFL.com:

In many ways, Goff feels like the “safer” selection opposed to North Dakota State product Carson Wentz. Goff looks more NFL-ready, and should have a chance to start the Rams’ first home game in Los Angeles since 1994.

Personally, I don’t care which one is more ready to play in September; I don’t expect that much from a 21 year old rookie QB. I want Goff to be ready to play in year 2 through 5, re-sign with the Rams and play another 4 years. I want him to be consistently ranked in the #5 to #10 range statistically, I want him to elevate the Rams to be a consistent contender to win the division and host playoff games in January.

April 29, 2016 at 12:17 pm #42819

Isiah58
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There are two days that we feel the sting of the trade. Today is one of them. No picks today. The other day is Day #1 next year. No pick that day either. We didn’t trade any of tomorrow’s picks in the trade and actually got two picks from the Titans for tomorrow, that mostly gets forgotten. Next year we should have all of our original picks except the first. And then the pain is gone.

Hopefully what remains is a QB that can play, and can dispel the need that the Rams need to find a quarterback for the next ten years. The value of that statement alone is worth a bushel of second and third round picks. If Goff is our QB in 2021, nobody will care who we could have picked way back in 2016 in the second and third rounds, most of whom could have left through free agency by then anyways.

That is why I agree with some of those who question the choice based on “scheme fit” or who can get into the starting line-up first. Because I am not Jeff Fisher or Les Snead, and because I plan to be a Rams fan well after they are gone, I am happy that they took the “best passer” and hopefully the best QB. And like Zack I do not agree that Jeff Fisher can be painted with such a broad brush that he is incapable of implementing a passing offense.

Goff is 21 years old. Think about how crazy that is. He has just been anointed the savior of a franchise in the second biggest market in the United States. I believe it will take time. I believe he will grow physically and intellectually and socially in the next three years. I hope the Rams take care of him, bring him along right, and take the steps needed to make sure he is the QB in 2026. Screw the pundits and the naysayers and even the fans who will cry “bust” if he doesn’t start week 1 in San Francisco. This is much bigger than that, and I think the Rams will act accordingly. Here’s hoping at least.

Isiah 58

“Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel.” - Homer Simpson

April 29, 2016 at 1:06 pm #42820

Zooey
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I’m high on Goff, now. I didn’t want Bradford because, like other people, I didn’t think the Rams were ready for him. They are ready for Goff. I think the OL is in pretty good shape – certainly it’s better than it was in Bradford’s time – and I think the WR are better than they’re given credit for. Last season, time and time again, my son and I would scream at Foles because there would be an open WR, and he’d hold the ball, and turn and dump it over to the sideline for a one-yard completion. I think Goff is likely to find those guys more often than Foles or Keenum, and I think he should have a decent rookie year. He has a lot more to work with than Bradford did, and Bradford won the offensive ROY remember.

I also think that if Goff had been on a good team, especially one of the gilded franchises, he would be rated higher. An awful lot of punditry is glitter and bluster, and they don’t have the time to study film of all these players. A lot of punditry is conventional wisdom. What was telling to me…the thing that made me finally good with the trade after being unhappy with it the first few days…was that I read from multiple sources that TEAMS were saying that Goff and Wentz are better than Winston and Mariota. The pundits, you know, week in and week out were watching Alabama games, and Notre Dame, and Oklahoma, and so on. The usual big games. They didn’t watch North Dakota State. Some of them probably watched youtube highlights, but these guys don’t have the time to study everybody, and I think they discounted these guys because they weren’t on TV, basically. So when I heard that NFL scouts liked them better than two QBs who both played decently as rookies last year, I warmed up.

And I just like the intangibles that Goff has. I rate those intangibles higher than “prototype size,” or whatever they are saying about Wentz. Now Wentz may be a good QB, and may turn out better than Goff in the long run, but I think Goff is the safer bet because he has the skills and the intangibles, and I rate that higher than arm strength, and so on.

My only concern is the price tag, but that’s that. That’s what it costs to move up from 15 to 1, and I don’t think the Rams overpaid according to the charts.

So…let’s go.

April 29, 2016 at 2:08 pm #42821

zn
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Isiah58 wrote:

Hopefully what remains is a QB that can play, and can dispel the need that the Rams need to find a quarterback for the next ten years.

Yeah for me this is all about the next decade or more. It makes the entire critter a different critter.

April 29, 2016 at 2:20 pm #42822

PA Ram
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At least half my life as a Rams fan feels as though it has been a constant search for a quarterback.

I would LOVE 10 or 15 years from that position. One stable player.

Warner was 6 years.

Bulger was 9 years.

Everett was 8 years.

I can’t remember more stability than those three. Otherwise it has been an endless parade of failure.

Hopefully Goff changes that.

Manning played 13 years for the Colts.

Favre played 15 years for the Packers.

Montana played 13 for the 9ers.

I want that for the Rams.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

April 29, 2016 at 2:44 pm #42823

zn
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joemad wrote:

So is the kid gonna wear #16

Pretty sure he is.

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April 29, 2016 at 3:13 pm #42829
canadaram
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zn wrote:

they have guys open, they have people running wide open at times

I listened to the first round on Sirius nfl radio. When talking about the rams QB situation in 2015 Jim Miller referenced the Bears game which he worked as part of the Bears broadcast team. Miller said that he saw Rams receivers running open numerous times during that game, but Foles was unable to connect.

BTW, I say this every year, but nfl radio’s coverage of the draft is top notch. I’ve recorded both espn and the nfl network’s coverage and will watch later. However, usually both networks pale in comparison when it comes to the draft.
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April 29, 2016 at 4:45 pm #42838

zn
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canadaram wrote:

BTW, I say this every year, but nfl radio’s coverage of the draft is top notch.

Is NFL radio online?

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April 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm #42843

canadaram
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zn wrote:

Is NFL radio online?

I’m not sure, but I think that it is. I know up here there is some registration process involved when it comes to streaming sirius channels. I use a home/auto portable receiver.

April 29, 2016 at 6:26 pm #42845

InvaderRam
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i have nothing against goff. i still have problems with the trade though. this is a deep defensive draft, and there are some prospects to be gotten in the second round. shoot. if i was the rams and i hadn’t made the trade, i’d be looking to move up to draft myles jack.

that being said i think goff will turn out to be good. i got this from the original herd board. and it makes me feel comfortable with the pick despite his small hands.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016

football outsiders has goff as the 9th best qb prospect to come out in the last 20 years. meaning he has the ninth best chance of succeeding in the pros of any qb in the last 20 years. now this isn’t foolproof and they are constantly changing the factors that go into predicting success. some guys have ended up as flops such as beck, griffin, ponder, and mcnown. but he’s in pretty good company right there.

and the fact that he has gurley to shoulder a lot of the load and a good defense to take pressure off him makes his chances that much better.

April 29, 2016 at 9:41 pm #42854

zn
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zn wrote:

joemad wrote:
So is the kid gonna wear #16

Pretty sure he is.

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April 29, 2016 at 10:46 pm #42856

InvaderRam
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oh dear. i’m not a shallow person. but that photo is not the most flattering.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/13129360_982395518535159_997731536_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIzOTQ2NjA5MjgxNzIwMjI0MQ%3D%3D.2.l

April 30, 2016 at 2:57 am #42897

zn
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I personally won’t be judging the guy based on his rookie season.

All of this of course is just people comparing IMOs in what amounts to an informal poll. Just my own intuition here (informed intuition but still)…but Goff is going to be fine. At a minimum I expect him to be a Flacco/Eli class qb (I don’t mean style). And he shows signs of being better than that. He has some Warner and Brady qualities. But like all rookies he will have a learning curve.

What is the standard for rookie qb play since they took Luck (who is a different kind of animal)?

The highest rated rookie qb measured by qb rating in 2015 was Mariota (17th).

2014, Bridgewater, 22nd.

2013, Glennon, 21st

If you add Smith (39th), Carr (30th), Bortles (33rd), and Winston (28th) the avg. for rookie starters the last 3 years is a rank of 25th-26th (it’s actually 25.7).

The 2012 class broke the bank on that but IMO that was exceptional and has not been repeated.

So if Goff plays, and ends up ranked between 17th and 22nd, he’s high end for rookie expectations (remember this is in terms of qb rating).

April 30, 2016 at 6:01 am #42899

canadaram
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InvaderRam wrote:

oh dear. i’m not a shallow person. but that photo is not the most flattering

😳 Oh dear?
My reaction was much stronger. A photo from the waist up would have been much more desirable. Somebody say a prayer to the patron saint of offensive lines.

April 30, 2016 at 8:22 am #42902

wv
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I am fine with Mr Goff and the trade, I think it can all work,
but its not what I would have done. I’d have drafted Paxton Lynch
and two other starters with the two seconds, and another starter
with the third, and another star with the first round pick
next year.

To me, the future-comparison ‘what if game’ won’t just
be about Wentz vs Goff. It’ll be about Wentz vs Goff vs Paxton vs
a couple of other late-round-qbs.

Having said that, I have come to appreciate Goff’s skills.
The accuracy mainly. And the pocket skills.

Gonna be a very interesting season, for sure. And i still think
everything depends on Quinn and the Oline.

Two statements from the Silver article I liked, btw:

“…Goff is gonna be my quarterback. The way he gets the ball out — how he knows where to go with it and gets it to the receiver perfectly, in stride, in the tightest of windows — it’s a sight to behold. You look at the way the Patriots play, with Tom (Brady) just zipping the ball to (Julian) Edelman and (Danny) Amendola before you can even think about touching him, and that’s where football is today. And trust me, Todd Gurley will be the best friend a young quarterback can have.”

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“He’s the least entitled great player I’ve ever seen,” Dykes said of Goff. “He wants to be treated the same as everyone else. He’s respected by all players: black, white, good player, bad player, offense, defense. And he doesn’t feel the need to dominate the room — he can be one of the guys. I’m so happy for the way it worked out for him. He deserves every bit of this.”

April 30, 2016 at 8:33 am #42904

nittany ram
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InvaderRam wrote:

oh dear. i’m not a shallow person. but that photo is not the most flattering.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/13129360_982395518535159_997731536_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIzOTQ2NjA5MjgxNzIwMjI0MQ%3D%3D.2.l

Wow. I’ve seen bigger legs on snakes.

Anyhow, if Goff doesn’t cut it in the NFL I can think of another occupation he’d be perfect for…

April 30, 2016 at 9:34 am #42911

bnw
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nittany ram wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

oh dear. i’m not a shallow person. but that photo is not the most flattering.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/13129360_982395518535159_997731536_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIzOTQ2NjA5MjgxNzIwMjI0MQ%3D%3D.2.l

Wow. I’ve seen bigger legs on snakes.

Anyhow, if Goff doesn’t cut it in the NFL I can think of another occupation he’d be perfect for…

That is funny.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

April 30, 2016 at 10:24 pm #43094

Mackeyser
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Just not feelin’ it. Not anti-Goff, but not drinking the Kool-Aid and not believing the hype.

I’ve got a critical take that I think is well founded and grounded, but I dunno that there’s anywhere for it…

I really can’t stomach the unbridled faith in Fisher…

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to just take a sabbatical until it’s okay to be critical or what because no one seems to want to hear it right now…

Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

April 30, 2016 at 10:52 pm #43107
zn
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Mackeyser wrote:

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to just take a sabbatical until it’s okay to be critical or what because no one seems to want to hear it right now…

Well, if you want I can start a thread called “down on Fisher” dedicated to criticism, and everyone can have at it. ADDED by EDIT: I like the idea so I just went and did it: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/down-on-fisher-the-critics-thread/

As you probably know, I defend Fisher, and I like the Goff pick.

BUT this is the great self-expression board, and we tend to put in our own, often long, “my vote in the informal poll” type posts rather than argue board-war style, or censor.

There would be some here who agree with you, too.

So have at it?
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April 30, 2016 at 10:53 pm #43110

InvaderRam
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hey, mack. no by all means say what’s on your mind! and welcome back!

May 1, 2016 at 1:07 am #43120

Mackeyser
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I’d post more cuz I love you guys, but either my phone hates the site or the site hates my phone…

Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

May 1, 2016 at 1:13 am #43121

Mackeyser
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zn wrote:

Mackeyser wrote:

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to just take a sabbatical until it’s okay to be critical or what because no one seems to want to hear it right now…

Well, if you want I can start a thread called “down on Fisher” dedicated to criticism, and everyone can have at it. ADDED by EDIT: I like the idea so I just went and did it: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/down-on-fisher-the-critics-thread/

As you probably know, I defend Fisher, and I like the Goff pick.

BUT this is the great self-expression board, and we tend to put in our own, often long, “my vote in the informal poll” type posts rather than argue board-war style, or censor.

There would be some here who agree with you, too.

So have at it?

I may just do that. I actually might have some time at the computer tomorrow and since those posts tend to get lengthy, probably better to save myself the anxiety.

Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

May 1, 2016 at 1:36 am #43128

Agamemnon
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Mackeyser wrote:

Just not feelin’ it. Not anti-Goff, but not drinking the Kool-Aid and not believing the hype.

I’ve got a critical take that I think is well founded and grounded, but I dunno that there’s anywhere for it…

I really can’t stomach the unbridled faith in Fisher…

I’m not sure if I’m supposed to just take a sabbatical until it’s okay to be critical or what because no one seems to want to hear it right now…

I am with you on Wentz, Mac.

Agamemnon

May 3, 2016 at 12:15 am #43312

zn
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TexasRam

Goff has shown top notch pocket awareness. He senses the pressure almost always shifts away from it. He shows a lot of the elusiveness of Aaron Rogers but is probably in my opinion most comparable to Tony Romo. He can sometimes be caught and brought down but more times than not he’s going to get away and make a throw down field that resembles how Rodgers and Romo extend drives. He will do this all game long and drive defenses crazy. Often times he will just get rid of the ball to avoid the sack. Cal’s Oline was so bad that Gruden said imagine how good Goff would be if he had protection.

Goff also took a lot of hits and it never phased him. He knows how to go down. He stands tall in the pocket and will get rid of the ball at the last second knowing hes going to get hit and he takes it like a champ. Looking downfield at the play rather than closing his eyes and wincing and worrying about his landing. Maybe Goff has been sacked so many times that hes used to it and doesn’t fear.

Goff throws touch passes. His placements of the ball is so impressive and his ability to thow it downfield on the back shoulder or drop it in or lead a WR is so advanced. He reminds me of Brees the way he puts the ball in certain spots.

Then there is the footwork of Goff that is reminiscent of Peyton Manning.

Jeff Fisher said Jared “sees”. And this may be his best but most hard to quantify attribute. He sees the field, understands the defense, gets through progressions and to the open WR quickly. Reminds me of Montana or in that regard. Under pressure Goff will kill you. He hits the short medium and long slant as good as any to burn the defense constantly, with guys in his face a tick from sacking him.
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