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    Why the NFL Has a Quarterback Crisis

    Since the dawn of the NFL, head coaches and general managers have been calling top college quarterback prospects into conference rooms to pepper them with rudimentary questions: how to attack a certain defense, for instance, or what to do when a play breaks down. The answers were sometimes dull and sometimes brilliant, but there were always answers.

    This year, according to separate interviews with dozens of NFL coaches and executives, something disturbing happened in these pre-draft quiz sessions. When asked the same basic questions, many quarterback prospects responded with something NFL insiders said they have never seen before: blank stares.

    Detroit Lions offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi said the new crop of college quarterbacks were flummoxed by a simple question about an “under” front, one of the most common defensive alignments. “Whoa, no one’s ever told me ‘front’ before,” he remembers one prospect saying. “No one’s ever talked to me about reading these defenses.”

    Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley said he had the same results when he asked prospects a question about defenses shifting from a common scheme called “cover 2” to an equally mundane tactic called “cover 3.” Hue Jackson, the offensive coordinator from the Bengals, said he had to dumb down his questions, while Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton said some QBs failed to grasp things as basic as understanding a common play call. “You have to teach these kids the absolute basics,” he said.

    The knowledge base was so low, Buffalo’s Whaley said, that it left him feeling “a little nervous about the long-term future of this game.”

    As the 2015 NFL season begins, the league’s decision makers say they are daunted by what they see as a widening gulf between the college game and the pro game, one that has existed for a while but is now starting to affect the quality of the league’s most-cherished commodity: Quarterbacks. The kinds of passers the NFL thrives on are those who can survey the field before the snap to “read” the defense and make any necessary adjustments, then drop back and dissect the coverage again, picking through a number of passing options to find the open receiver.

    For years, this brand of preparation has been regenerated from Joe Montana to Tom Brady to relative newcomers like Seattle’s Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck of the Indianapolis Colts. Spoiled by their immense talent and football intelligence, the NFL has organized itself around quarterbacks to the point where it is hard to imagine the sport without them. The five most productive individual passing seasons in history have happened since 2011.

    But if current trends continue, NFL insiders say, quarterbacks who have the sophistication to outfox NFL defenses to deliver the ball to open receivers are “going to be on the endangered species list,” said Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine. “The quarterback may not be gone yet,” he added, “but if you have one, protect it.”

    “It’s doomsday if we don’t adapt and evolve,” said St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead.

    In the last decade, many college football teams have embraced a form of offense that runs at a furious tempo with no breaks for huddles, the goal being to grind down and exhaust the defense. Teams that play this way don’t bother trying to fool their opponents with complex schemes and trickery, they just bull forward as fast as they can. College defenses have been forced to adapt to this “hurry-up” mode by simplifying their fronts and coverage packages to help the players keep pace. The learning curve, at the NFL level, NFL people say, is so massive that it’s hard to overcome for all but the best college quarterbacks.

    The trouble with this trend, NFL experts say, is that many of the players coming from the college ranks have spent their entire careers playing in this high-throttle system, which is completely different from the slower, deliberate and more complex nature of the NFL. When they come to the NFL, it’s as if they’re being told to stop playing speed checkers and start playing chess. And the NFL, which doesn’t have a minor league of its own, has no influence over college coaches. “They don’t coach anything,” said Rex Ryan, the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, when discussing college defenses.

    At Baylor, quarterback Bryce Petty was one of the most prolific passers in the country. He led the Bears to two conference championships in his last two seasons on campus and holds 31 Baylor passing records and has the lowest percentage of interceptions per pass in NCAA history.

    But NFL teams were wary of Petty. Because Baylor played a “spread” offense that forced defenses to fan out across the field, making them unable to disguise anything, many scouts worried he would struggle to master the NFL game. He had to wait until the 103rd pick before the New York Jets scooped him up. Petty said he was “upset and frustrated that I was thrown away like I couldn’t learn it,” he said. “I’m like ‘you’ve got to give me a chance a little bit.’”

    Petty admits to grappling with tasks such as hearing and calling the play, identifying defensive backs in coverage and identifying which player in the defensive backfield was the “mike” linebacker, the central part of the defense whose location teams base their offensive line protections on. “As crazy as it sounds, at Baylor, we did not point out the ‘mike’ linebacker,” Petty said.

    Petty was unfamiliar with making adjustments to the play or the formation before the snap.

    “Honestly, I wish I’d done a little bit more as far as being proactive to get into a pro style [offense],” he said, singling out the need to decipher fronts or coverages. “It was things I have never seen before.”

    Exactly 101 picks earlier, another quarterback from a spread offense was selected. Marcus Mariota, who won the Heisman Trophy while leading the Oregon Ducks to the national championship game last season, was taken with the second overall pick by the Tennessee Titans. Mariota can run as well as pass, but NFL teams worried about his ability to translate to the pro game. Titans general manager Ruston Webster defended Mariota and the Oregon offense and said they used NFL principles—like the quarterback reading multiple receivers on a play or him staying “in the pocket”—the area behind the offensive line—“more than what people realized. It gave us confidence.”

    A parade of general managers, like Pittsburgh’s Kevin Colbert, think that if the current model holds, the notion of drafting a quarterback to start right away will need to scrapped.

    NFL officials agree that the new wave of quarterbacks will need more time than previous generations, but some fret that today’s roster limits and time constraints may prevent them from getting the time they need to learn or develop. “It might become like major league baseball now, where you take a guy that you think will be able to play in three, four, five years,” said Pettine.

    Even that can be hard. One general manager admitted that he’s having trouble finding a young quarterback to keep on the roster whose lack of knowledge of the pro game won’t frustrate his team’s established starter.

    In NFL facilities across the country, the race to figure out what works is on. “It’s on us to adapt, I don’t think any of us want this thing to crash,” said the Rams’ Snead.

    Cleveland’s Farmer has one idea: What if you could design an offense to minimize the passing deficiencies of modern quarterback prospects? Farmer used the example of Auburn’s Nick Marshall, who threw 20 touchdowns last season but was projected to transition to defensive back in the NFL. What if, Farmer said, you devoted resources to designing an offense where Marshall could thrive? He would cost you almost nothing—Marshall went undrafted—and “you might get your franchise quarterback in the later rounds, and that’s unheard of these days.”

    “Whoever cracks this code the soonest is going to have a huge, huge advantage,” Farmer said, adding he and his coach, Pettine, have had broad discussions on the topic.

    Indeed, Snead has similar thoughts. He recalled the brilliance behind the “Cover 2” or “Tampa 2” defenses, popularized first by the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 1970s then refined by multiple teams in the 1990s, which minimized the importance of “cover” cornerbacks, who could lock up wide receivers in man-to-man coverage and are expensive and hard to find. Snead said the race is on to find a similar strategy that minimizes the importance of the quarterback. “The person who makes the quarterback like they made the cornerback will be a name that will be remembered forever,” Snead said. “But it will take courage to do it.”

    NFL coaches are still trying to figure out which elements of the college innovations can be used in the NFL. One issue is that NFL rules prohibit teams from snapping the ball as quickly after plays, meaning they cannot run a pure uptempo offense. Chicago Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase singled out Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly, a former Oregon coach, as bringing positive elements of the spread to the pros. “They do a good job and they haven’t sold out to the scheme and most importantly their quarterbacks don’t take huge hits,” Gase said. “The quarterback position is so valuable you want to adapt to their strengths, they do that.”

    For his part, Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley sees an altogether bleaker future for teams searching for a quarterback. “You do not want to be in the top five pickers in the draft, you really don’t,” Haley said. “Guys are going to get fired. General managers, coaches, they’re going to go because it’s just guessing. It’s harder than ever to find a quarterback.”

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-nfl-has-a-quarterback-crisis-1441819454

    Agamemnon

    #36936
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    This goes along with drafting the most NFL ready QB. Mannion was the best of the rest last year. imo

    This makes trading up for a QB even more risky. You don’t pay the massive salary anymore, but it is harder than ever to project how they will do in the pros. imo

    Agamemnon

    #36940
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    Baylor QB: “Honestly, I wish I’d done a little bit more as far as being proactive to get into a pro style [offense],” he said, singling out the need to decipher fronts or coverages. “It was things I have never seen before.”
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    I remember reading how Russell Wilson specifically looked
    for a college that ran a PRO offense. He wanted to be ready
    for the pro-game.

    It really surprises me that more QBs dont show the
    foresight that RW showed.

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    #36951
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Draft analyst Russ Lande, the former Rams scout, calls the 2015 QB class “the worst class I can remember. I don’t think there’s anybody that you can look at and say, ‘OK, this is your Andrew Luck. This is your Peyton Manning. Or Tom Brady even.’

    “That is, a definite guy you want to stake a claim to in the first round. Everybody, whether it’s Winston or Mariota, they all have major questions. And I’m not even talking off the field. I’m just talking on the field, that make me wonder if they can really be successful quarterbacks.”

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/jim-thomas-at-the-senior-bowl-mannion-in-mix-of/article_83980c34-c39b-5a9b-8b50-bddcbb8a4bbf.html

    Cook isn’t going to the Senior Bowl. I always mark people down that don’t take every chance to compete. I wonder if he will throw at the combine?

    Hey, Russ, what about this year? 😉

    Agamemnon

    #36959
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    2016 NFL Mock Draft: Cowboys pass on a QB to take Laquon Treadwell
    By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
    January 10, 2016 9:01 pm ET

    The Cowboys pass on a QB to give Tony Romo another explosive weapon. (USATSI)

    Tony Romo, who turns 36 years old a week prior to the 2016 NFL Draft, can still play at a high level and is the best option at quarterback for the Cowboys going into the 2016 season. But with his age and injury history, Dallas has to plan for the future, possibly as early as the first round if the right quarterback is available with the fourth pick.

    However, the Cowboys have a small window remaining with Romo at the helm and need to balance planning for the future with playing to win right now. Ole Miss wide receiver Laquon Treadwell would address both of those areas, giving whoever is at quarterback firepower opposite Dez Bryant for years to come.

    The top-24 order for the NFL Draft is set, but the teams selecting 25-31 are still fluid based on the outcome of the playoffs. If the draft was held tomorrow, here’s how it might play out:

    1. Tennessee Titans: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
    Priority No. 1 for the Titans should be to protect Marcus Mariota, something they have struggled to do consistently in 2015. Tunsil is arguably the most talented player in this year’s draft class and able to contribute from Day 1, pushing Taylor Lewan over to right tackle.

    2. Cleveland Browns: Jared Goff, QB, California
    There is a lot of unknown with the Browns organization right now, starting with the quarterback position. Many around the league are not sold on Goff as a “franchise” quarterback, but some are and if the Browns think he can lead a team to the playoffs, they can’t pass on him.

    3. San Diego Chargers: Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State
    San Diego ranked near the bottom of the league in pass rush production in 2015 and needs to address the position in the draft. Although some will say he belongs in a four-man front, Bosa is scheme versatile with the skill-set and instincts to be a disruptive force from different spots on the defensive line.

    4. Dallas Cowboys: Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
    The Cowboys will consider a quarterback here and need help on defense, but the window is closing with Tony Romo at quarterback and Dallas needs to surround him with more talent. Treadwell, who is similar to Dez Bryant with the way he attacks the football, would be an ideal fit opposite Dez.

    5. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State
    The Jaguars have been searching for cornerback help for a long time, but haven’t drafted the position in the first round since 1999. Ramsey has experience at safety and corner, but is better categorized as a versatile ballhawk.

    6. Baltimore Ravens: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
    Baltimore inked Eugene Monroe to a lucrative extension, but he hasn’t been able to stay healthy, making it tough for the Ravens to rely on him to start 16 games in 2016. Stanley not only adds instant depth, but gives Baltimore a long-term plan at a position of need.

    The Ravens take out some insurance for Joe Flacco by taking Ronnie Stanley. (USATSI)

    7. San Francisco 49ers: Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
    The 49ers are in full rebuilding mode with needs all over the roster, including quarterback. WithBlaine Gabbert under contract through the 2016 season, Lynch won’t be asked to start right away, but can sit and develop at his own pace, giving San Francisco a long-term option at the position.

    8. Miami Dolphins: DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon
    The Dolphins need to continue and invest in the defensive line and Buckner gives Miami another option on the edges.

    9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Vernon Hargreaves, CB, Florida
    Tampa will address the cornerback position next offseason, either in free agency or the draft, possibly both. Hargreaves is a tough-minded, instinctive cover man who is ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL.

    10. New York Giants: Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson
    The Giants have an obvious hole at defensive end, which showed in the stat sheet, ranking 30th in the NFL in sacks this season. Lawson is an efficient pass rusher with the power, quickness and ball awareness that allows him to be successful.

    11. Chicago Bears: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA
    The Bears are far removed from the days of Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs dominating the NFC and are missing impact defensive players on the current roster. Jack is an impressive athlete with outstanding instincts, showing the cover skills that will make him an instant contributor.

    12. New Orleans Saints: Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
    The Saints haven’t had much luck drafting cornerbacks in the early rounds, but the need is there. Alexander doesn’t get his name mentioned much, but that’s because teams stay away from his side of the field.

    13. Philadelphia Eagles: Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama
    Whoever is hired as head coach in Philadelphia, the pass rush on defense will need to be addressed. Allen developed into a terror for opposing offenses this season and has the scheme versatility to play in even and odd fronts.

    14. Oakland Raiders: Reggie Ragland, MLB, Alabama
    A player who hits anything that moves, Ragland is a tone-setting linebacker who can play all three downs and will give the Raiders another impact player in the front seven.

    15. St. Louis Rams: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State
    The Rams have a very talented roster, except at the most important position in sports: quarterback. The Rams need to address the position this off-season and Wentz has arguably the most upside of any passer in this draft class.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25445137/nfl-mock-draft-cowboys-pair-laquon-treadwell-with-dez-bryant

    I think a couple things. We already have the QB we need in Mannion. There are at least 6 QBs in this draft that will be better than Foles or Keenum. I would like to have 2 good QBs.

    Agamemnon

    #36965
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    Wentz sounds good to me. I doubt
    he’s around at 15.

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    #36967
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Wentz sounds good to me. I doubt
    he’s around at 15.

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    He has a long way to go to be NFL ready. Probably 2 years. imo

    Strengths Weaknesses
    STRENGTHS: Looks the part with a tall, workable frame. Good arm strength to deliver downfield with required velocity. Tight release, especially for a player with his long arms. Shifts his weight well in the pocket to work through the noise and keep his hand on the trigger, maneuvering under duress with improved footwork.

    Functional athleticism and coordination in the pocket and as a scrambler, avoiding rushers and extending plays. Has a pre-snap plan and moves efficiently from target-to-target, making sound decisions. Shows the ability to recognize defensive coverages and change the play at the line ? reliable field vision pre and post snap.

    Very smart on and off the field with excellent retention and execution skills. Physically and mentally tough with professional poise and work habits. Great teammate and was an extra coach on the sideline while injured. Set school single season records for completions (228) and passing yards (3,111) as a junior. Consistent winner with a 19-3 career record as a starter.

    WEAKNESSES: Locks onto reads and needs to develop his eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders. Needs to improve his passing anticipation and feel for timing routes. Downfield accuracy is inconsistent, often leading receivers too far.

    Bad habit of pre-determining throws and forcing the ball into tight coverage. Needs to understand when the play is over and throw the ball away (10 fumbles the last two years). On the move too much, even with a clean pocket, and will attempt throws without setting his base or coming to balance.

    Lacks ideal starting experience for the position with questions about level of competition ? 21 of 22 career starts came against FCS competition (one FBS opponent was at Iowa State: 18-for-28 for 204 yards, no touchdowns). Missed second half of 2015 season due to a broken right wrist, requiring surgery (Oct. 2015).

    IN OUR VIEW: Although his internal clock needs maturing, Wentz performs well within structure, but can also improvise when the play breaks down, stretching out his legs to pick up chunk yardage if it?s there (949 career rushing yards). He possesses a NFL-style skill-set with his size, athleticism and arm talent, including the field vision to work through reads and make sound decisions. Wentz ideally needs a redshirt rookie season in the NFL, but will be the top senior quarterback on several NFL draft boards.

    –Dane Brugler (12/21/15)
    Player Overview
    A two-year starter, Wentz thrived in North Dakota State?s wide-open offense, taking snaps from under center and shotgun with several pro-style reads, including left-to-right and high-to-low progressions. Although he didn?t consistently face top competition at the FCS level, Wentz performed well in high pressure situations, including the 2014 FCS National Championship Game.

    He was only a 5-foot-8, 125-pound freshman in high school and didn?t start at quarterback until his senior year, causing him to go under-recruited (similar path as Ben Roethlisberger).

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1907522/carson-wentz

    Whoever drafts him should not plan on starting him right away. This gives him a different draft profile than typical 1st round pick. imo

    But, the Cowboys (is it PC to say cow-boy?) might decide they like him. They are going to coach at the Senior Bowl

    Agamemnon

    #36968
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    http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016/1/7/10733808/dallas-cowboys-coaching-senior-bowl-jacksonville-jaguars-case-study-carson-wentz

    Cowboys Coaching Senior Bowl: A Case Study In How They May Reap Benefits

    By Tom Ryle

    @TomRyleBTB on Jan 7, 2016, 8:00p 198
    A real opportunity for the Cowboys in coaching the Senior Bowl? – Tim Heitman-USA TODAY Sports

    Dallas has been officially confirmed as one of the coaching staffs for the Reese’s Senior Bowl, along with that of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Here is one concrete example of how they may be able to use the opportunity.
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    It was predicted as soon as the final standings for the regular season were done, but now it is official. Your Dallas Cowboys will be sending their coaching staff to Mobile to coach one of the teams in the Reese’s Senior bowl. The Jacksonville Jaguars will be across the field from them.

    The Cowboys, led by fifth-year head coach Jason Garrett, will coach the North team, while third-year Jaguars coach Gus Bradley and his staff will guide the South.

    This is thought to be a real advantage for the teams that send their staffs. They get to not only evaluate the skill sets as they spend extensive time working with the players, they also get a chance to see what kind of work ethic and attitude the players bring to the table. This should logically give them a leg up on the rest of the league in placing those players on their draft board, although the fact that the Jaguars have been here before in recent years makes it clear that it is no guarantee that this is going to make a huge difference.

    But the Cowboys have a strong personnel staff to use the information the coaches will gather. And given the particular situation that Dallas has regarding its roster, there is one player in particular that may make this worthwhile all by himself.

    Wentz should be one of the quarterbacks Jason Garrett and staff work with, because you don’t get much more north than North Dakota. And he is a player for whom the Senior Bowl experience will be very informative, since he comes from an FCS school and this will be the first extensive look at him against and in comparison to FBS level talent. Given that he missed the last eight games with a broken wrist and is currently fighting a cold to be available for the playoff game coming up in Frisco (where the Cowboys are sending a scout in hopes he plays), this is even more significant in evaluating his talent. He is a very intriguing player, but not one without some potential issues as Derrik Klassen relates (I am not familiar with Klassen, but Eric Galko is promoting his post, and Galko knows what he is doing when it comes to the draft.)

    Wentz has talent, but a lot about him on the surface is concerning. The level of competition he faced, the broken bone in his throwing wrist and his underlying inclination to take off with the ball are all reasons to be concerned. A non-FBS quarterback has not gone in the first round since 2008 when Delaware’s Joe Flacco was taken by the Baltimore Ravens. On top of that, the last first round quarterback who did not finish their final season was Christian Ponder in 2011.

    However, as Klassen goes on to explain, the positives that Wentz brings may just override those concerns.

    Wentz has the most intriguing skill set of any quarterback this year. His arm is live, showing an uncommon blend of velocity and arc control. He has no issues getting the ball to receivers on the opposite boundary, nor does he have much trouble fitting the ball through windows over the middle of the field. Wentz’s velocity often gives his receiver a tick longer to corral the ball before a defender gets there, helping minimize broken up passes. At the same time, Wentz has shown he can take off some heat in order to drop a throw in smoothly- a trait most useful when placing crossers and deep outs over underneath defenders. Wentz is quite the athlete, as well.

    Those are things that will almost certainly be scrutinized in depth by Garrett and everyone else from Dallas that goes to Mobile, which is basically going to be everyone of any significance. Here is a player from a small school that many teams may shy away from but who might have a truly impressive skill set. Comparisons to Tony Romo are always risky, but seem inevitable. And he compares very favorably to Kellen Moore. Wentz is 6’5″, and that velocity makes him very different (and better) in delivering the ball.

    It would be one thing for a team to risk a high draft pick on a player with Wentz’s resume due to the lack of video from 2015 and the competition he faced, but clearly it is a different matter if you have spent extensive time coaching him and watching him line up against some of the top FBS talent in this year’s draft class. Of course, the results of all that may be that he is not what the Cowboys are looking for – but if he is, this could be a chance to solve the QB succession dilemma that Dallas faces with an aging Romo.

    And while Wentz is possibly the most important evaluation for the Cowboys, he is far from the only one. With so many areas that the team needs to upgrade, there is no player that they coaches will not be studying to find out if they deserve a place on the Cowboys’ draft board.

    But this points out that the disaster of 2015 may turn into an incredible opportunity for Dallas. Finding a viable franchise quarterback almost always requires the investment of a high draft pick, and now the Cowboys sit at fourth in this year’s draft. And they have a tremendous opportunity to make sure they get it right if they decide to take the plunge. They will also likely have a chance to see Connor Cook who is expected to attend. That is two possible solutions to finding the eventual replacement for Romo. And no one will have a better set of data to evaluate them than the Cowboys.

    Maybe he is kaepernick part II, just an athletically talented guy? But, I liked kaepernick when he came out.

    Agamemnon

    #36982
    Herzog
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    How about RG3 in a Rams uniform? Wouldn’t that put an exclamation point on that trade?

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 10 months ago by Herzog.
    #36994
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    How about RG3 in a Rams uniform? Wouldn’t that put an exclamation point on that trade?

    LOL, Depending on how the QB FA market goes, who signs where, will certainly affect how teams draft.

    Agamemnon

    #36998
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    How about RG3 in a Rams uniform? Wouldn’t that put an exclamation point on that trade?

    I think they should sign both RG3 and Bradford.

    Then, trade them both.

    #37019
    Dak
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    I would definitely take a chance on a veteran QB in need of a second chance, who is willing to accept a backup role. Griffin? Maybe. I’d like to get Colin Kaepernick, if possible.

    #37090
    Herzog
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    🙁

    #37182
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I just drafted 3 QBs. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #37183
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    I just drafted 3 QBs.

    I think thats illegal.

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