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November 19, 2015 at 1:26 pm #34429AgamemnonParticipant
Rams tackle Greg Robinson working to correct ‘technical’ issues
“I feel like I’ve made a lot of progress from year to year but there’s a lot I have struggled with technically this year,” said Rams OT Greg Robinson. Brad Mills/USA Tdoay Sports
Nick Wagoner, ESPN Staff Writer
EARTH CITY, Mo. — When St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher announced Monday that he was making a change at quarterback, he emphasized that quarterback was far from the only issue facing his offense.
“They all need to play better,” Fisher said. “The receivers need to play better. The tight ends need to play better. Greg Robinson needs to play better. They all need to play better.”
While Fisher is correct on all counts, it was hard not to notice that the only player he called by name was Robinson, the 2014 No. 2 overall pick turned starting left tackle. The call-out came after officials flagged Robinson three times for holding and he allowed a sack against the Chicago Bears in a 37-13 loss. Robinson was far from the only problem on the offense, let alone the offensive line, but he was certainly one of the most glaring.
That tends to happen when you come with the expectations of being picked second in the draft. The Rams picked Robinson over more polished tackles like Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewan and Zack Martin because they believed that his upside would ultimately make him a better player than the others. Little more than a year and a half into his career, the lack of polish has overwhelmed whatever upside exists.
This season, Robinson is the NFL’s most penalized offensive player and is tied for the second-most flags of any player in the league, trailing only New Orleans cornerback Brandon Browner. Robinson has actually been flagged 11 times but two of those were not accepted.
To his credit, Robinson not only refuses to make excuses but also offers honest, detailed assessments of his performance. In fact, he’s the first to admit that right now, he’s just not good enough. The biggest reason? Fundamentals.
“I feel like I’ve made a lot of progress from year to year but there’s a lot I have struggled with technically this year,” Robinson said. “I feel like as the season goes on, I just gain more confidence, just grow as a player, take the coaching and just build off what I’ve already started.”
When asked to elaborate further on how he’s struggling technically, he pointed to one thing in particular that continues to hold him back.
“I think I struggle in pass protection just slightly when I kick, just kicking up,” Robinson said. “It’s something I see on film and it’s just lingered on for too long. So just this week, I’m focusing on my hands and just trying my best to be strict on my set.”
When Robinson says he’s “kicking up,” he means that he has a bad habit of taking a step forward when in pass protection and creating a softer edge, which allows defenders to run past him.
Robinson also said he has a habit of occasionally swinging his arms outside on defenders, which leaves his chest open for defenders to bull rush and sometimes leads to holding penalties.
“He’s making progress from the standpoint of knowing exactly what to do, but how to do it has been a little inconsistent here as of late,” Fisher said. “So, we have to keep working with him. The holdings, sometimes they’re called, sometimes they’re not. But, if they’re looking at him as a grabber right now, then he’s got to keep his hands inside.”
Moving forward, keeping his hands inside and making sure he’s not moving up in his set will be focal points for Robinson. It sounds easy enough on the surface, but it’s important to remember that Robinson came from a completely different scheme and mentality at Auburn. In the Tigers’ run-heavy attack, Robinson was almost always moving forward, looking for someone to knock over.
So it should be no surprise that he now has to unlearn old techniques before he can fully embrace new ones.
“It just comes with repetition,” Robinson said. “Once it happens to you one time, you learn from it and try your best for it not to happen again. But I feel like the things I was taught in college, I tried to transition it to the league and it’s just things that I think are fine are not and I don’t really know until the flag is called.”
Robinson’s struggles in Year 2 have undoubtedly brought outside skepticism about the draft pick from a fanbase that’s endured first-round whiffs at the position, such as Alex Barron and Jason Smith. But Robinson is still just 21 total starts (18 starts at left tackle) into his NFL career. He bounced back and forth between guard and tackle before his rookie year and has been inundated with different teammates at left guard throughout that time.
Patience can be hard to find because the Rams need Robinson to produce at a high level now. Robinson himself acknowledges that he’s been surprised by his inability to make the transition in short order, but also is remaining calm and working with offensive line coaches Paul Boudreau and Andy Dickerson to get better every week.
“Honestly, I thought my athletic ability would make up for a lot of it, but I’ve come a long way and I’m just taking the coaching,” Robinson said. “Coach Bou and Andy, they have worked a lot with me and I feel like I’m making progress. It’s just coming with time.”
November 19, 2015 at 7:17 pm #34437InvaderRamModeratori remain hopeful that it’s just a technique and confidence issue. he’s only 23 and in his second year. he’s got everything you’d want in a tackle. and it seems like he’s humble and focused so it’d be a shame if he doesn’t pan out.
i think fans have been harsh on him though.
November 20, 2015 at 12:57 am #34439znModeratorfrom off the net
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“Honestly, I thought my athletic ability would make up for a lot of it, but I’ve come a long way and I’m just taking the coaching,” Robinson said. “Coach Bou and Andy, they have worked a lot with me and I feel like I’m making progress. It’s just coming with time.”
This right here is the biggest cause for all his struggles.
I have come to find out that it’s been a huge chore to get Mr. Robinson in the film room. Veteran members of the unit have approached him numerous times trying to teach him how to prepare as a pro.
His unwillingness to put in the time because of his athleticism has been a source of frustration to more than just the coaches.
As much as they want to focus on technique IMO his lack of preparation has as much to do with it as anything else. The hesitation stemming from the uncertainty of not knowing his assignment on any given play causes a lot of the technique issues.
It’s also a big reason to have a veteran lining up next to him.
They aren’t gonna bench him. Even before the injuries. They’re stuck with him. They have too much invested in him. Both financially and in draft status.
I know for a fact that he’s been approached more than once. Apparently the light is starting to come on. He’s starting to realize he can’t just show up and rely on his athleticism anymore. It’s no coincidence that that quote was uttered by him.
He’s got all the PHYSICAL tools to be a great player. But unless and until the mental side come with some maturity, he’s gonna continue to struggle. And I’m not calling him dumb. I’m calling him immature.
November 20, 2015 at 1:17 am #34442znModeratorCoachO
I have come to find out that it’s been a huge chore to get Mr. Robinson in the film room.
I am in a position to know that CoachO is in a position to know that. It’s not speculation on his part.
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November 20, 2015 at 1:40 am #34444AgamemnonParticipantNovember 20, 2015 at 6:40 pm #34469znModeratorfrom off the net
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Some follow-up re: OL
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Doesn’t matter what team you want to look to when you get to the point where you’re forced into playing you’re 9th & 10th linemen you’re gonna struggle. And this is now the 3rd year that they’ve been in this position.
You prepare for a season with the idea of playing the same five guys as much as possible. Therefore in this age of the salary cap you just cannot afford to invest in your 8th 9th & 10th offensive linemen. But somehow some fans expect Fisher and Boudreau to have a stable of all-stars waiting in the wings. Not realistic expectations?
If they are forced to playing Donnal I hope it’s at RT and not at LG.
Reynolds needs to remain at LG But Donnal is s natural RT and will be much better suited there.
The plan they put in place since they’ve been here has made a lot of sense to me. The ONLY reason it didn’t pan out was the abundance of injuries. And unless you’re using hindsight to be critical, there was no realistic way to predict the overwhelming number of injuries.
They tried the veteran option. Now they’ve chosen to go in the direction of youth. Bottom line for me anyway. When you are forced to play the 9th & 10th players in a unit, it’s never gonna be good. Regardless.
November 20, 2015 at 6:42 pm #34470znModeratorCoachO
Doesn’t matter what team you want to look to when you get to the point where you’re forced into playing you’re 9th & 10th linemen you’re gonna struggle. And this is now the 3rd year that they’ve been in this position.
4th, actually. Under Fisher, that is. Though in 2013, it was mostly the last 4 games. Talking about multiple OL replacements. In 2012 it was only half the season they had to do that.
But, point taken.
Though.
It’s interesting, isn’t it? a total of 8 new young rookie linemen joined the Rams in 2 years. Robinson, Rhaney, Havenstein, Brown, Donnal, Wichman, Battle, and Williams.
Only one of them (Wichman) had a previous injury history.
And at this point, since becoming Rams, 5 have been injured: Robinson, Rhaney, Havenstein, Brown, and Williams.
62.5%.
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November 20, 2015 at 9:17 pm #34479AgamemnonParticipantI think it is a good thing we drafted all those offensive linemen. I even wouldn’t mind Battle starting at LT. I think his pass pro is better than Robinson’s at this point. I think Donnal is their second best RT. Reynolds is best at LG and he can baby sit GR. If Stanley drops in the draft, I would be tempted to draft him. He would have been the best OT in last year’s draft.
November 21, 2015 at 4:37 pm #34503znModeratorRams leaning on patchwork offensive line against Ravens
The Rams will have to rely on rookies such as Andrew Donnal to plug holes in St. Louis’ injury-depleted offensive line. Brace Hemmelgarn/USA TODAY Sports
Nick Wagoner
Y, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams and Baltimore Ravens kick off Sunday at 1 p.m. ET from M&T Bank Stadium. The Rams have not won a game in Baltimore since beating the Colts in 1969. Here are three things to watch in this matchup:
1. Making a Case: Since 2001, new Rams starting quarterback Case Keenum is one of just six quarterbacks to lose his first eight career starts. But he’s the only one to win consecutive starts after losing those initial eight. All of Keenum’s starting experience came when he was with the Houston Texans, the first eight coming in his first stint with the team and the latter two in his second. Included in Keenum’s two wins from 2014 was a victory against the Ravens.
The good news is that Keenum should have familiarity with Baltimore’s defense since he just started against them in Week 16 of last year. The bad news is that while Houston won that game, Keenum didn’t have much to do with the victory. He was 20-of-42 for 185 yards with no touchdowns and an interception in that game.
The Rams turned to Keenum because they believe he can give them a much-needed offensive spark. Don’t be surprised to see the Rams using Keenum in different ways than they did Nick Foles, getting him outside the pocket and allowing him opportunities to make plays with his legs.
2. Keeping it close: Every game the Ravens have played this year has been decided by eight points or fewer. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, no team in NFL history has ever started a season with 10 consecutive games decided by eight points or fewer. But this game could certainly be next in line. The Rams have had their share of close calls this year, including an overtime loss to the Minnesota Vikings two weeks ago.
In that context, there are a few players to watch and one statistic that could alter the outcome of the game. Baltimore quarterback Joe Flacco has struggled in the final quarter this year, posting a 27.9 Total QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime.
This game could also come down to the kickers. The Rams’ Greg Zuerlein had a big day against the Vikings but missed a 48-yard field goal late that might have nudged the Rams to victory in that game. He’s also had his share of struggles this year.
Baltimore’s Justin Tucker isn’t having his best year but he’s been money late in games, converting 91 percent of his fourth quarter and overtime attempts since 2013.
As always with the Rams, penalties are worth watching, too. The Rams are 28th in penalties this year with 75 but the Ravens haven’t been much better, ranked 22nd with 68.
3. What’s my line? One way or another, the Rams are going to lean on a patched together offensive line this week. They lost guard Jamon Brown (fractured leg) for the rest of the season and right tackle Rob Havenstein is battling a calf issue. The Rams will likely have to plug in fourth-round pick Andrew Donnal and sixth-round choice Cody Wichmann at two spots on the line. How that looks remains to be seen though the Rams seem to prefer having veteran Garrett Reynolds next to tackle Greg Robinson on the left side.
If there’s good news to be found here, it’s that the Rams are facing perhaps the worst Ravens defense since the team moved to Baltimore in 1996. The Ravens have their worst points per game allowed and third-down conversions allowed since that inaugural season and their worst total yards per game and passing yards per game allowed numbers in franchise history.
There should be some opportunities to make some plays for the Rams but they’re going to need a young, inexperienced line to provide them and that’s far from a sure thing.
November 21, 2015 at 5:51 pm #34504znModeratorfrom off the net
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IMO, we have all the pieces on OL, it’s just a matter of getting a little better, being healthy, learning, and repping, fundamentals, and finding the right mix. I think we have some depth, after all is said and done. I feel it’s the best group, top to bottom, potentially, in a long time. I say potential, but I’m not talking huge leaps, just natural progression, and hard work..
Robinson didn’t start playing the offensive line, until his junior year at high school. He played two years in college, in a very simple gimmicky offense. Snead drafts for upside, and it’s something that we keep seeing. Robinson had foot surgery in the offseason, so all this improvement in fundamentals everyone keeps mentioning, couldn’t happen in the offseason. The 3rd year is the year.
And I really can’t overstate how little help we give him on passing plays (We gave Jake Long more help), and he’s had a revolving door at guard.
To me, what speaks volumes, is that Robinson isn’t making any excuses, even though some of those calls were horrible. He’s a beast, a lot of us knew he’d take a minute to develop, because of his college experience. He is still a beast. I would still take GR. I’ve seen Matthews play this year, he’s not great, and if he was picked on, could easily have more holding penalties.
Next year will be his year, but he’s not as bad as everyone is saying, or he’d have a TE on top of him, or a RB on his side, on every passing play.
At some point, like a couple years in the weight room, Donnal might be able to play some spot Guard, but he is a much better, and more natural RT. Not as good as Havenstein, but our best option after D. Williams went down.
Williams may very well be a very important part of this team in the future. He didn’t look completely overwhelmed in his first action.
November 22, 2015 at 12:54 am #34512znModeratora total of 8 new young rookie linemen joined the Rams in 2 years. Robinson, Rhaney, Havenstein, Brown, Donnal, Wichman, Battle, and Williams.
Only one of them (Wichman) had a previous injury history.
And at this point, since becoming Rams, 5 have been injured: Robinson, Rhaney, Havenstein, Brown, and Williams.
62.5%.
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Actually that’s incorrect. Wichman was injured as a Ram.
Corrected version:
a total of 8 new young rookie linemen joined the Rams in 2 years. Robinson, Rhaney, Havenstein, Brown, Donnal, Wichman, Battle, and Williams.
None of them had a previous injury history.
And at this point, since becoming Rams, 6 have been injured: Robinson, Rhaney, Wichman, Havenstein, Brown, and Williams.
75%.
November 22, 2015 at 4:07 am #34518InvaderRamModeratorwell. i’ll be watching greg this sunday.
November 22, 2015 at 4:20 pm #34528nittany ramModeratorAfter seeing the Baltimore game, he’s got a lot more work to do.
November 22, 2015 at 5:19 pm #34548znModeratora total of 8 new young rookie linemen joined the Rams in 2 years. Robinson, Rhaney, Havenstein, Brown, Donnal, Wichman, Battle, and Williams.
None of them had a previous injury history.
And at this point, since becoming Rams, 6 have been injured: Robinson, Rhaney, Wichman, Havenstein, Brown, and Williams.
75%.
With Donnal hurt it’s now 7 of 8, or 87.5%
November 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm #34551AgamemnonParticipantNovember 22, 2015 at 5:39 pm #34553PA RamParticipantI swear it just looks to me that Robinson daydreams out there sometimes. His head is NOT in the game.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 22, 2015 at 5:42 pm #34554nittany ramModeratorI swear it just looks to me that Robinson daydreams out there sometimes. His head is NOT in the game.
I don’t think he fully knows his assignments. He looks confused to me.
November 22, 2015 at 5:45 pm #34555PA RamParticipantI swear it just looks to me that Robinson daydreams out there sometimes. His head is NOT in the game.
I don’t think he fully knows his assignments. He looks confused to me.
That play where Upshaw beats him is just unbelievable–even the announcer couldn’t believe it. Robinson doesn’t even seem to look at the guy and he’s RIGHT THERE. Only when Upshaw is blowing past him does he turn and swat at him–much too late and he’s left watching the QB go down.
He’s awful.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 22, 2015 at 5:50 pm #34557nittany ramModeratorI swear it just looks to me that Robinson daydreams out there sometimes. His head is NOT in the game.
I don’t think he fully knows his assignments. He looks confused to me.
That play where Upshaw beats him is just unbelievable–even the announcer couldn’t believe it. Robinson doesn’t even seem to look at the guy and he’s RIGHT THERE. Only when Upshaw is blowing past him does he turn and swat at him–much too late and he’s left watching the QB go down.
He’s awful.
The Rams might as well resign themselves to the fact that they will need a new LT.
And a guard.
And a QB.
And some WR’s.
And a TE.
Probably a DE.
And a coupla corners.
November 22, 2015 at 6:24 pm #34558znModeratorThe Rams might as well resign themselves to the fact that they will need a new LT.
I don’t agree with that. And he IS having a rough time, but I don’t think he is going to bust.
It’s frustrating in the meanwhile but to me he’s not even the worst issue on the OL.
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