La on GW's gameplan for the Steelers

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  • #31461
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    La, comments on a query about GW’s ‘bend but dont break’
    off-coverage during the Steeler game.

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    Laram — After rewatching the Steeler game…

    I have no problem with Williams game plan on Sunday.

    I’m being totally impartial here for I am no Greg William fan, but he picked his poison Sunday.

    The Steelers are a very dangerous offense who can cut you up in several ways.

    Williams obviously decided to make them march the length of the field, and hope for turnovers or shrinkage of the field in the redzone.

    Once the Steelers got in the redzone the field shrank, and the Rams had less field to cover.

    It worked. The Steelers got a lot of yards, but only one TD.

    That’s a significant success against an offense avg 32ppg.

    Watching the game on Sunday I didn’t appreciate the approach, but after settling down and really analyzing it, it was the best plan.

    Now off coverage in general, I would like to see a mixture.

    I wish he would throw as many change-ups in the back-end as he does upfront.

    But to specifically answer your question, you always want to make the qb hold the ball a beat longer, to give the pass rush an opportunity.

    But that can be accomplished by playing tight coverage, whether off or on man.

    #31462
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    Fisher’s style keeps the game close against the good teams and it keeps the games close against the bad teams. One is good the other is bad. imo I don’t want it close. I want to beat everybody a 100 to naught. 😉

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    #31463
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    Fisher’s style keeps the game close against the good teams and it keeps the games close against the bad teams.

    A lot of the time it does that. But then they also held Denver to 7 points. And, mostly, holding a top offense to 12 points is not supposed to lead to a “close game.” The Rams defense held the Seattle offense to 16 points. 16 points is only a close game with this offense.

    The interesting thing is that I don’t see the objections leading anywhere.

    One objection is, it cuts down on Rams sacks. Rams are tied for 1st in the league in sacks.

    Another problem I see with the arguments against the Rams approach is that no one balances it with a list of the drawbacks to press/man coverage. Instead they act like there are no drawbacks and therefore don’t recognize that with defensive systems, you’re choosing your poison.

    Another problem I see is that some say the Rams D is predictable. Yet no defense is more routine in its ways than Seattle, and they were #1 last year. Seattle doesn’t fool you, Seattle says here we are try and beat what we do, and then outplays you. It’s talent and execution.

    It could actually be that the Wms. defense is a good one and that we’re all complaining for no good reason.

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    #31464
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    Rams defense had chances to get the ball..

    1) Big Ben’s injury, was close to a fumble.
    2) Vick was stripped in the 4th qtr but got a luck bounce.
    3) they had 2 or 3 chances for picks that were dropped.

    I liked what I saw too…

    Once Tre and Gurley get rolling, this team will be very good.

    Even if the RAMS lose the next two, (I’d love to see them split the next two game or sweep the next two, but highly unlikely vs AZ and GB,) I think the NFC conference is a bit of mess with injuries (Brees, Romo, etc) and teams not really that strong (Giants, Skins, etc)

    #31466
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    Fisher’s style keeps the game close against the good teams and it keeps the games close against the bad teams.

    A lot of the time it does that. But then they also held Denver to 7 points. And, mostly, holding a top offense to 12 points is not supposed to lead to a “close game.” The Rams defense held the Seattle offense to 16 points. 16 points is only a close game with this offense.

    The interesting thing is that I don’t see the objections leading anywhere.

    One objection is, it cuts down on Rams sacks. Rams are tied for 1st in the league in sacks.

    Another problem I see with the arguments against the Rams approach is that no one balances it with a list of the drawbacks to press/man coverage. Instead they act like there are no drawbacks and therefore don’t recognize that with defensive systems, you’re choosing your poison.

    Another problem I see is that some say the Rams D is predictable. Yet no defense is more routine in its ways than Seattle, and they were #1 last year. Seattle doesn’t fool you, Seattle says here we are try and beat what we do, and then outplays you. It’s talent and execution.

    It could actually be that the Wms. defense is a good one and that we’re all complaining for no good reason.

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    I am not talking about the defense specifically. I am talking about the entire philosophy of Fisher’s approach to the game. It brings with it certain pluses and minuses. If you play to keep the game close, it can be a plus or a minus depending on if you are better than or equal to or worse than your opponent.

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    #31468
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    Well, i dont really get into the “to press or not to press”
    argument — I’m sticking to the
    “stop the damn RUN” argument.

    If they stop the run, everything
    will be good enuff on defense.

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    #31475
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    I am not talking about the defense specifically. I am talking about the entire philosophy of Fisher’s approach to the game. It brings with it certain pluses and minuses.

    Fair enough.

    #31476
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    I am not talking about the defense specifically. I am talking about the entire philosophy of Fisher’s approach to the game. It brings with it certain pluses and minuses.

    Fair enough.

    If we just discuss the Defense against the Steelers, then I agree with Laram. Although I am more aggressive in philosophy as a general tenet. I won’t argue with success. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #31477
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    If we just discuss the Defense against the Steelers, then I agree with Laram.

    I agree with a lot of his stuff too. Especially—

    Once the Steelers got in the redzone the field shrank, and the Rams had less field to cover.

    It worked. The Steelers got a lot of yards, but only one TD.

    you always want to make the qb hold the ball a beat longer, to give the pass rush an opportunity.

    But that can be accomplished by playing tight coverage, whether off or on man.

    #31481
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    they have to continue to play excellent run defense. against seattle and pittsburgh they were able to do this. it didn’t happen against washington. if they can’t stop the run, i don’t think it matters if they play on or off.

    #31486
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    they have to continue to play excellent run defense. against seattle and pittsburgh they were able to do this. it didn’t happen against washington. if they can’t stop the run, i don’t think it matters if they play on or off.

    Amen.

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