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May 5, 2015 at 1:34 pm #24117znModerator
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kailuaram
There is tons of backlash here in seattle over the frank clark pick who was charged, and later pleaded to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct.
schneider and carroll have been consumed by their own hubris. frank clark was the last best pass rusher on their board, according to schneider, and they went ahead and took a woman hitter. this, after schneider was quoted as saying they would never stand for that and those kind of players wouldn’t be on their board. schneider actually said at the press conference on friday when confronted with the police report….”well, that’s just one side of the story.” go read the police report. it’s brutal.
carroll and schneider are lying pieces of garbage. they are so full of themselves. i know this will come back to haunt them.
Hawks didn’t interview witnesses to ugly hotel incident involving draft pick
Two women say they found the girlfriend of Seahawks draft pick Frank Clark sprawled half-naked on her hotel-room floor and barely moving the night of his arrest on charges of domestic violence and assault.
Lis Babson, 44, and Kristie Colie, 43, who were in the room next door with their young daughters at a Sandusky, Ohio, hotel and waterpark resort last November, say they heard loud banging, yelling and screaming coming from Clark’s room. Babson says she immediately sensed something was terribly wrong, ran outside and pounded on the door until Clark opened it.
In an interview with The Seattle Times on Monday, Babson said an enraged Clark tried to quickly slam the door in her face, but she caught it before it could close.
Colie, who had followed Babson into the hallway, said the woman on the floor inside the room “was definitely beat up” and initially didn’t move.
“She looked unconscious,’’ Colie said. “She looked like she was knocked out, and then she started to move slowly.’’
Related: Police report relates victim’s injuries, Clark’s denial
The two women’s accounts corroborate details in a police report describing the incident involving Clark and his then-girlfriend, Diamond Hurt — and they stand in contrast to statements by Seahawks officials who have had to explain their selection of Clark in the second round of the NFL draft on Friday.
A sought-after defensive end with Michigan just six months ago, Clark was kicked off the team Nov. 17, two days after his arrest.
But the Seahawks made him the 63rd overall pick in the draft, saying team officials had conducted an extensive investigation of their own and felt confident that the 6-foot-2, 277-pound Clark had not struck his girlfriend. The team acknowledged on Monday that their investigation did not include interviews with witnesses other than Clark.
The police report describing the incident quotes Diamond Hurt, then 20, saying Clark punched her in the face. Hurt’s younger brothers are quoted saying the same thing.
When Babson and Colie found her, Hurt “was just laying there,’’ Babson said. “She looked like she was unconscious to me.
“The kids were saying, ‘He killed my sister!’ ’’
Colie added that Hurt “was on the ground, curled up and holding her head and stuff.’’
Both women gave written statements to police via email the following day. But they say they never heard back from anybody about the case until The Seattle Times contacted them on Monday.
They remain perplexed as to why there were no follow-up calls to them by police.
Clark was initially charged with two first-degree misdemeanors for domestic violence and assault. Three weeks ago, he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of persistent disorderly conduct in a plea deal with prosecutors.
He was given a $250 fine, received no further jail time beyond two days already served and won’t have a domestic-violence conviction on his record. Police and prosecutors could not be reached Monday to explain why Clark was offered a plea deal, or to detail the extent of any follow-up investigation.
Seahawks general manager John Schneider has said the team investigated the matter thoroughly and would never have drafted Clark if they believed he’d struck his girlfriend. Schneider made those statements Friday and repeated them again in a radio interview Monday with 710 ESPN Seattle. He said in the radio interview that the team had three people investigate Clark’s background, and had concluded that “whether it was punching a woman or striking a woman he would not have been on our board.’’
Told later Monday of what Babson and Colie had said in their interviews with the Times, the Seahawks issued a statement saying the team conducted “confidential interviews with people directly involved with the case.’’
But other than Clark, the statement added, the team did not “speak directly to any witnesses from that night.’’
May 5, 2015 at 1:41 pm #24119MackeyserModeratorSo, in other words…
*sticks fingers in ears*
LALALALALALALALALALALA
I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!
LALALALALALALALALALALA
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
May 5, 2015 at 1:43 pm #24120wvParticipant“…The team acknowledged on Monday that their investigation
did not include interviews with witnesses other than Clark”After the Goodell fiasco,
that really does surprise me.w
v.May 5, 2015 at 2:43 pm #24124HerzogParticipantUnreal. Just unreal.
This is probably how the “investigation” went:
“Hey Frank, did you punch her?”
“Nope”
“He’s clean guys”
May 5, 2015 at 3:21 pm #24127DakParticipantSeems like when college athletes are involved, too often there is no true investigation. The Seahawks were stupid not to look into this further. Whatever heartache they get from this pick, they earned it.
May 5, 2015 at 6:55 pm #24142wvParticipantSeems like when college athletes are involved, too often there is no true investigation. The Seahawks were stupid not to look into this further. Whatever heartache they get from this pick, they earned it.
It really is astonishing.
I mean, under certain circumstances, i can understand picking a guy with a domestic battery
in his past — but taking a guy without even TALKING
to the witnesses — after the Ray Rice thing ? Wow.Maybe they just think they have such a good
domestic violence program they can help
anybody. Thats the only thing i can figure.
(I KNOW thats how the seattle PR guys
are gonna spin it…)I dunno though.
w
vMay 5, 2015 at 7:07 pm #24144HerzogParticipantSeems like when college athletes are involved, too often there is no true investigation. The Seahawks were stupid not to look into this further. Whatever heartache they get from this pick, they earned it.
It really is astonishing.
I mean, under certain circumstances, i can understand picking a guy with a domestic battery
in his past — but taking a guy without even TALKING
to the witnesses — after the Ray Rice thing ? Wow.Maybe they just think they have such a good
domestic violence program they can help
anybody. Thats the only thing i can figure.
(I KNOW thats how the seattle PR guys
are gonna spin it…)I dunno though.
w
vThis just doesn’t seem like a “Carrol” move to me. It’s just strange.
May 5, 2015 at 7:13 pm #24146AgamemnonParticipantMay 5, 2015 at 7:15 pm #24147wvParticipantSeems like when college athletes are involved, too often there is no true investigation. The Seahawks were stupid not to look into this further. Whatever heartache they get from this pick, they earned it.
It really is astonishing.
I mean, under certain circumstances, i can understand picking a guy with a domestic battery
in his past — but taking a guy without even TALKING
to the witnesses — after the Ray Rice thing ? Wow.Maybe they just think they have such a good
domestic violence program they can help
anybody. Thats the only thing i can figure.
(I KNOW thats how the seattle PR guys
are gonna spin it…)I dunno though.
w
vThis just doesn’t seem like a “Carrol” move to me. It’s just strange.
Well the NFL rules are pretty clear:
1. If you beat up your girlfriend you can still go in the 1st round.
2. If you are a suspect in a murder of your pregnant ex-girlfriend,
you won’t be drafted.I’m not sure what the other rules are.
But there’z two of the rules right there.w
vMay 8, 2015 at 6:36 pm #24318znModeratorFrank Clark may face possible ban if he has future altercation
Geoff Baker
May 7, 2015The Seahawks’ top draft pick won’t face NFL discipline for November fracas, but disorerly conduct plea would be a factor in a subsequent incidents.
Seahawks draft pick Frank Clark won’t face NFL discipline for a hotel altercation with his girlfriend last November, but could be banned indefinitely if anything similar occurs again.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Clark’s criminal offense occurred before he was drafted by the Seahawks, making him ineligible for discipline under the league’s code of conduct policy. But Aiello added that Clark’s arrest and guilty plea to a reduced charge of disorderly conduct “would be a factor in any subsequent incident as an NFL player.’’
The policy, strengthened after last year’s controversy over the NFL’s handling of the Ray Rice case, would see Clark considered a “repeat offender,” with any further violations subject to possible banishment from the league.
“It’s not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime,’’ the conduct policy states. “We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL and is lawful.’’
Clark was arrested Nov. 15 in Sandusky, Ohio, and charged with first-degree misdemeanor domestic violence and assault after an altercation with his girlfriend in a hotel room.
He accepted a plea deal April 10 on a lesser charge of fourth-degree misdemeanor persistent disorderly conduct. He paid a $250 fine, $100 in court costs, and jail time was limited to two days already served. The domestic-violence charge has been stricken from his record.
But the arrest, initial charge and eventual plea will follow him to the NFL and be considered in the event another violation occurs.
Once the league becomes aware of a possible violation, NFL security, private firms, or a combination of both undertakes an investigation. The league can hand out discipline independent of any court decision.
“This decision will not reflect a finding of guilt or innocence and will not be guided by the same legal standards and considerations that apply in a criminal trial,’’ the policy states.
Violations of the policy include disorderly conduct, to which Clark has already pleaded guilty. Domestic violence and assault, which he was initially charged with, carry a minimum six-game suspension without pay.
If Clark is charged with domestic violence or assault, he would face that six-game suspension if league investigators determine he violated the conduct policy. But he could also face a heftier suspension, since the policy lists “similar misconduct before joining the NFL’’ as an aggravating factor.
“Repeat offenders will be subject to enhanced and/or expedited discipline, including banishment from the league,’’ the policy states.
The league offers counseling and other resources to players and family members involved in domestic-violence incidents.
May 9, 2015 at 11:46 am #24340InvaderRamModeratornot just seattle but tampa bay as well. i don’t believe they interviewed the victim at all. pretty disappointing but not the least bit surprising.
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