DV v. McV

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  • June 5, 2022 at 8:14 pm #139169
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    It’s hard to make this comparison because DV bailed after the super bowl, which was of course a bad idea he very much regretted. But he only had 3 years.

    It’s clear that McV is in the running to be at least DV’s equal as best Rams coach.

    But one difference is, DV built the team from scratch. McV has had great drafting with Snead and a lot of smart trades, but he inherited a substantial team that just needed adding on, not rebuilding. DV pretty much was the difference in player acquisition–without him, they faltered. Whereas McV has Snead, who has done some amazing things.

    In different ways, they both understand/understood leadership and motivation and building a culture, although I think when it comes to that, McV had to learn some things (eg. I don’t think he will ever treat a player again the way he treated Goff in 2021). But then DV had his bad moments too (like Bruce and the so-called superstar remark).

    McV is the traditional coordinator turned coach and it’s his offense, and DV was a CEO type, but they both had/have great coaches around them.

    Thoughts?

    It’s a good thing of course that there’s 2 coaches in the running for this. A lot of teams have had only 1. If that.

     

    June 6, 2022 at 4:23 pm #139173
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    Its an interesting topic.  Ive thought about it a lot, but other than winning Super Bowls, I cant think of too many similarities.   They just seem really different to me.

    For starters the DV the Rams got was old-and-wise.  As well as old-and-out-of-touch at the beginning.   He’d been away from the NFL for a long time.

    McVay was the youngest kid-coach in the NFL.  He was more like that early Eagle-version of DV.

    I guess my broad takeaway is a championship coach can come in many flavors,

    and they can build a championship team in different ways.

     

    As an aside, I remember well, how the fine defense DV built, utterly fell apart due to age and injuries the year after the Super Bowl win.   I dont remember any of us predicting that would happen.  I mean, they were atrocious.

    (remember they gave up 54 to the Chiefs mid-season

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_St._Louis_Rams_season#:~:text=The%202000%20season%20was%20the%20St.%20Louis%20Rams%27,first%20team%20in%20NFL%20history%20to%20score%20

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    It will be interesting to see how McVay does post super bowl.   It will take a helluva coaching job to get them back to the final 4.

     

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    June 6, 2022 at 4:46 pm #139174
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    i think the competitive landscape, especially at the QB position, in the NFC was a lot tougher for McVay than it was vs. Vermeil.

    This year alone, the Rams had to beat Tom Brady, Jimmy G, who was 6-1 vs SF, and Kyler Murry in the playoffs to get to the Super Bowl.

    1999 Rams had to face Jeff George and Shaun King to get the Super Bowl…. in addition, in 1999 the Rams were very lucky that Brett Farve and Steve Young got hurt that season and didn’t play the Rams.

    1999 NFC Playoff QBs Brad Johnson, (Wash)  Troy Aikman (Dallas) Shaun King (TB, Jeff George (Vikings) and Charlie Batch or Gus Ferrote (Detroit)

    2021 NFC Playoff QBs: Kyler Murray, Jimmy G, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, and Jalen Hurts.

    At the division level:

    1999 NFC West QBs; Steve Beurline (carolina), Chris Chandler (Falcons) , Jeff Garcia (SF), and the Saints had a pair of Billy Joe’s…. take your pick, Hobert, or Tolliver

    2021 NFC West QBs: Kyler Murray, Jimmy G, Russell Wilson

    1999 Rams were blessed with a very low QB benchmark curve in the overall NFC.

    June 6, 2022 at 6:46 pm #139184
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    joemad wrote:

    i think the competitive landscape, especially at the QB position, in the NFC was a lot tougher for McVay than it was vs. Vermeil. This year alone, the Rams had to beat Tom Brady, Jimmy G, who was 6-1 vs SF, and Kyler Murry in the playoffs to get to the Super Bowl. 1999 Rams had to face Jeff George and Shaun King to get the Super Bowl…. in addition, in 1999 the Rams were very lucky that Brett Farve and Steve Young got hurt that season and didn’t play the Rams. 1999 NFC Playoff QBs Brad Johnson, (Wash) Troy Aikman (Dallas) Shaun King (TB, Jeff George (Vikings) and Charlie Batch or Gus Ferrote (Detroit) 2021 NFC Playoff QBs: Kyler Murray, Jimmy G, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, and Jalen Hurts. At the division level: 1999 NFC West QBs; Steve Beurline (carolina), Chris Chandler (Falcons) , Jeff Garcia (SF), and the Saints had a pair of Billy Joe’s…. take your pick, Hobert, or Tolliver 2021 NFC West QBs: Kyler Murray, Jimmy G, Russell Wilson 1999 Rams were blessed with a very low QB benchmark curve in the overall NFC.

    There was another thread you were in which I can’t find now that made a lot of the same points. That thread was focused on 99 v. 21. You add good perspective on all that. I thought about adding my DV v. McV post above to that thread but then thought there was room for a whole thread about the entire issue, coach v. coach in their entirely, not just 99 v. 21, and that both threads could co-exist nicely. I can’t find it now though (?) or I would link it here.

    June 8, 2022 at 2:41 pm #139207
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    Steve Young had the “Same ole fucking Ram’s” number for years……. (Ken Norton punching the goal posts at Busch Stadium) etc… the 1990’s were a dismal time for the Rams

    i remember watching the MNF game in early 1999 when Steve Young got knocked out of football for good vs the Cardinals…as he laid motionless on the turf,  (you never want to see people knocked out), I remember thinking to myself, the NFC West is a bit easier without Steve Young…….this might be the season (1999) that the RAMS finally beat SF….

    You’re right, DV inherited a dismal team….an organization so dysfunctional that nobody wanted to coach. Seifert, Pete Caroll etc, all turned down offers to coach in STL before the Rams settled on DV.

    1999 had some events happen across the league that DV took advantage off. but you got to put yourself in position to take advantage of those events… DV clearly did that…. DV willed that team to win… but I think McVay did a great job with much less experience under his belt in a much more competitive environment.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    June 8, 2022 at 2:48 pm #139209
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    joemad wrote:

    DV willed that team to win… but I think McVay did a great job with much less experience under his belt in a much more competitive environment.

    That’s a good summary.

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