Mike Clay thinks the Rams among the worst teams in the NFL

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June 5, 2016 at 11:34 am #45413

Agamemnon
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Mike Clay of ESPN.com joined The Kevin Wheeler Show to detail why he thinks the Rams will be among the NFL’s worst teams in 2016.

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June 6, 2016 at 6:20 pm #45495

zn
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That may be the 101 take for a while.

June 6, 2016 at 7:06 pm #45507

wv
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Well, i dunno. Its the same view Vegas has. I think the Rams are only
favored in six games. That’d make’em 6-10.

6-10 is a reasonable forecast. Its not batshit crazy or anythin.

7-9 is reasonable. 8-8.

But so is 9-7. And maybe even 10-6.

I just think it could play out a lot of different ways
this year. Lots of Talent. Lots of Question marks. Rookie, talented QB.

Biggest Question mark on D, for me, is Quinn. If he is back to being a Beast
it makes a huge huge difference. The D dont need a secondary if Q and A
are playing beastly.

Biggest reason for optimism is the OLine. Looks like the most settled OLine
in many years. Gurley should be better. So, they could grind out some tough wins.

I could see ten wins and a wild-card, if everything falls the right way.

I could also see an up and down, messy, inconsistent year with the New receivers and a rookie QB.

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June 6, 2016 at 10:14 pm #45519

InvaderRam
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other smaller question marks for me are ogletree. can he replace laurinaitis as the qb of the defense.

free safety. who steps in for mcleod? one of the smaller questions for me cuz they seem to be so good at developing defensive backs. gaines too. how does he come back from injury.

one of the receivers needs to step up.

and then how quick can goff be a starting qb? or can he even be a starting qb period.

if they can answer all those questions i see a winning record but they easily go the other way and have a losing record.

June 8, 2016 at 10:04 am #45606

JackPMiller
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The Rams need to make the playoffs for Jeff Fisher. If they don’t, I cannot see why Fisher would deserve a new contract. Another losing season, for me, should be looking for a new Head Coach. One that wins.

June 8, 2016 at 10:06 am #45607

zn
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JackPMiller wrote:

The Rams need to make the playoffs for Jeff Fisher. If they don’t, I cannot see why Fisher would deserve a new contract. Another losing season, for me, should be looking for a new Head Coach. One that wins.

I doubt that’s the way Stan is thinking.

And I submit to you that no coach wins if he has to deal with the kinds of things thet Rams have had to deal with the last 2 years.

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June 8, 2016 at 10:19 am #45610

bnw
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zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

The Rams need to make the playoffs for Jeff Fisher. If they don’t, I cannot see why Fisher would deserve a new contract. Another losing season, for me, should be looking for a new Head Coach. One that wins.

I doubt that’s the way Stan is thinking.

And I submit to you that no coach wins if he has to deal with the kinds of things thet Rams have had to deal with the last 2 years.

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Dick Vermeil won in ’99.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

June 8, 2016 at 11:02 am #45614

wv
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bnw wrote:

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

The Rams need to make the playoffs for Jeff Fisher. If they don’t, I cannot see why Fisher would deserve a new contract. Another losing season, for me, should be looking for a new Head Coach. One that wins.

I doubt that’s the way Stan is thinking.

And I submit to you that no coach wins if he has to deal with the kinds of things thet Rams have had to deal with the last 2 years.

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Dick Vermeil won in ’99.

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Well to ‘me’ DV is a perfect example of what a coach can and cant do.
DV won four games in 97. Four games in 98. He was a great coach. Still couldn
t even win half his games.

In 99 he had
a hall of fame QB,
two hall of fame WRs,
a hall of fame OT,
and a hall of fame RB.

And most importantly, he had a team that
didnt have key injuries all year long. Very very healthy team.

Now, give Fisher five hall of famers, and a healthy team all season long,
and I’d bet he’d at least win ten games 🙂

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June 8, 2016 at 11:03 am #45615

zn
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bnw wrote:

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

The Rams need to make the playoffs for Jeff Fisher. If they don’t, I cannot see why Fisher would deserve a new contract. Another losing season, for me, should be looking for a new Head Coach. One that wins.

I doubt that’s the way Stan is thinking.

And I submit to you that no coach wins if he has to deal with the kinds of things thet Rams have had to deal with the last 2 years.

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Dick Vermeil won in ’99.

He wouldn’t have in 2015.

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June 8, 2016 at 7:10 pm #45653

bnw
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wv wrote:

bnw wrote:

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

The Rams need to make the playoffs for Jeff Fisher. If they don’t, I cannot see why Fisher would deserve a new contract. Another losing season, for me, should be looking for a new Head Coach. One that wins.

I doubt that’s the way Stan is thinking.

And I submit to you that no coach wins if he has to deal with the kinds of things thet Rams have had to deal with the last 2 years.

.

Dick Vermeil won in ’99.

———————
Well to ‘me’ DV is a perfect example of what a coach can and cant do.
DV won four games in 97. Four games in 98. He was a great coach. Still couldn
t even win half his games.

In 99 he had
a hall of fame QB,
two hall of fame WRs,
a hall of fame OT,
and a hall of fame RB.

And most importantly, he had a team that
didnt have key injuries all year long. Very very healthy team.

Now, give Fisher five hall of famers, and a healthy team all season long,
and I’d bet he’d at least win ten games

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v

Yet in ’99 Vermeil only had Faulk who was top tier talent. Trent Green went down in preseason replaced by a very unknown Kurt Warner at QB. Pace was beginning to shine at LT. Holt was a rookie. Bruce was a known commodity. Marty brought all of it to bear and while the injury bug wasn’t a major factor for starters that season it was Vermeil’s guidance that kept things running smoothly.

The Dick Vermeil of ’99 could have won.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

June 8, 2016 at 8:08 pm #45658

zn
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bnw wrote:

Yet in ’99 Vermeil only had Faulk who was top tier talent. Trent Green went down in preseason replaced by a very unknown Kurt Warner at QB. Pace was beginning to shine at LT. Holt was a rookie. Bruce was a known commodity. Marty brought all of it to bear and while the injury bug wasn’t a major factor for starters that season it was Vermeil’s guidance that kept things running smoothly.

The Dick Vermeil of ’99 could have won.

Well…no. In 99 he had Warner, Faulk, Bruce, Holt, Proehl, Hakim, and a top veteran OL (and in terms of injuries, Nutten missed 2 games). He also had a top 6 defense Doesn’t matter who was a rookie or where Warner came from. That is formidable talent. In 2015 he would have had Gurley, a young (then multiply injured) OL, and a good defense (which however slowly got whittled down with key injuries). He might have had a decently okay Foles except he melted down. There was no Warner behind Foles. In fact, the vast majority of times the starting qb goes down or collapses and is benched, there is no Warner behind him.

Holt was top tier talent in 99 as his play demonstrates. Same with Bruce. Same with Warner. Warner had 41 TDs that year. How is that not top tier.

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June 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm #45666

Herzog
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Vermeil didn’t start out with that talent….he and Arney found and procured and developed that talent.

If Fisher and Snead do t have the talent they need to win then they can blame no one but themselves.

June 8, 2016 at 11:21 pm #45667

zn
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Herzog wrote:

Vermeil didn’t start out with that talent….he and Arney found and procured and developed that talent.

If Fisher and Snead do t have the talent they need to win then they can blame no one but themselves.

Well in principle you’re right, but, I don’t think the issue is talent in 2015, I think it’s injuries (plus a meltdown). I probably didn’t make that clear. I think the 2015/6 roster is crazy with talent, BUT they had 2 years there where a built OL ended up playing injured and then a young OL replaced it and it got injured up too. Then of course they started 3 #2 caliber qbs and watched as Foles started out doing pretty well before he crashed and burned like a drone controlled by a 3 year old on peyote. My point was I don’t think Vermeil would win with that either…and in fact, given the situation, my own opinion is, going 7-9 under those conditions against a tough schedule was pretty good. Better IMO than we had a right to expect.

And yes the talent acquisition in the Vermeil days was phenomenal. And they did it every single way too–high picks, low picks, expensive FAs, budget FAs, undrafted free agents, NFL europe signings, trades.
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