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October 9, 2018 at 1:01 am #92102znModerator
Rams show troubling flaws on defense in victory over Seahawks
Rich Hammond
link: https://www.pe.com/2018/10/07/rams-show-troubling-flaws-on-defense-in-victory-over-seahawks/
SEATTLE – The legend had been established before the first snap. The knees of opposing quarterbacks would knock at the sight of the Rams’ defensive front. Sacks would be too plentiful to count.Perhaps something significant got overlooked in the hyperbole: Did the Rams improve their run defense?
That was an issue at times last season, and emerged again Sunday, when Seattle ran for 190 yards and consistently seemed to win battles at the line of scrimmage against the Rams’ defensive front. Chris Carson gained 116 yards on 19 carries while Mike Davis gained 68 yards and one touchdown on 12 carries.
Eventually, the Rams figured it out. They shut out the Seahawks in the fourth quarter and held them to only two first downs, allowing the Rams’ offense to rally with nine points and hold on for the victory.
“We got everything together,” lineman Michael Brockers said. “We got on the sideline, came together and just talked about how we needed to improve as a defense and do better for our offense. Our offense did a (heck) of a job today and we just wanted to step up for those guys, most importantly.”There are some clear issues, though. After a second-week shutout of Arizona, the Rams now have allowed a total of 85 points in their last three games. A Seattle team that hadn’t scored more than 24 points in a game this season put up 31 on the Rams, who were presumed to be bulletproof just a few weeks ago.
The problems started up front, in the Seattle run game, and the Rams also had a tough time containing quarterback Russell Wilson, at least until the fourth quarter. The Seahawks seemed unimpressed.“They haven’t seen a team that’s played physical,” Seattle guard D.J. Fluker said. “They want to be pass rushers. They haven’t seen a team go out there and actually take it to them every single play.”
The game, in some ways, mirrored the previous one against Minnesota, although this week Seattle exposed the Rams’ run defense a bit more. Problems also remain in the pass-defense game. Cornerback Marcus Peters, who is playing through a calf strain, got beat in coverage several times. Seattle scored two touchdowns in the third quarter against a Rams defense that previously had shown good adjustments, and had allowed only two second-half touchdowns in their first four games.
The Rams also mirrored the Vikings game in a positive way. Last Thursday, Minnesota had the ball late in the fourth quarter with a chance to tie or win the game. Then, like Sunday, the Rams were stout.“The defense stepped up when we needed it, similar to last week,” quarterback Jared Goff said. “Same thing. They grind and grind and grind, then step up and win the game. These wins are tough on the road.”
October 9, 2018 at 1:31 am #92103znModeratorjrry32
CBs & DL, Seattle game
The CB depth wasn’t the problem today. Hill and Shields played well (outside of Hill’s boneheaded PF). Hill played on running downs with Shields entering on passing downs because of Shields’ issues as a perimeter run defender.Doug Baldwin did nothing. Brandon Marshall did nothing. Jaron Brown did nothing. Troy Hill had a nice deflection on the long pass to Marshall. Shields nearly had a pick six on a third and three pass. The biggest problem with our pass defense today was Marcus Peters. He was playing like early-career Janoris Jenkins out there. Instead of sticking to his man, he kept gambling and giving up TDs. David Moore had two TDs. Both came against Marcus Peters (to be fair, one should not have counted). Tyler Lockett had three big catches. His long TD came against Marcus Peters.
As for Suh, Wade doesn’t run a typical 3-4. He doesn’t want a NT who occupies space. He wants his NT to penetrate and disrupt. Suh had some inconsistencies today as a run defender, but he’s been a very good player for us this year. Suh at NT isn’t really an issue. He’s been a 1T for much of his career. I think Suh is the prototype for what Wade wants in a NT. He had some inconsistencies today, but it was Brockers who was struggling mightily. That’s quite abnormal. Brockers is an animal in run defense usually, but they were gashing us through his gap today. He’s an outstanding run defender, so I’ll give him a mulligan for what went down today.
October 9, 2018 at 11:03 am #92114znModeratorRams Defense Once Again Shows Up When Needed Most
https://www.therams.com/news/rams-defense-once-again-shows-up-when-needed-most
Wilson’s offense was moved out of Janikowski’s range by a pair of penalties, and then sent off the field by a batted down pass and intense pressure by linebacker Cory Littleton. “Oh man, you can put him [Littleton] anywhere,” defensive tackle Michael Brockers said after the game. “He can cover running backs, cover tight ends, one on one, he can rush off the edge and inside off running backs — he can do anything.”
“It felt great because we got back to the basics, everybody trusted each other, played their gap, won their gap, and when it came to the perimeter runs, the secondary stepped up and closed it off,” Brockers said of the fourth-quarter performance.
“We just have to calm down,” Brockers said. “As a defense, we have a lot of great talent on this team, so everybody wants to make a play, everybody wants to be seen and wants to be that guy. As this defense, we have to work together, we don’t have to be the guy, everybody just has to do their job and do it well.”
October 9, 2018 at 5:42 pm #92122znModeratorMcVay: Issues with Run Defense are ‘Very Fixable’
https://www.therams.com/news/mcvay-issues-with-run-defense-are-very-fixable
October 9, 2018 at 8:45 pm #92139znModeratorfrom Rams Q&A recap: Vinny Bonsignore
(this is in 2 threads but that’s okay, this is just a time when something belongs in 2)
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My personal feeling is Peters isn’t totally healthy, and some of what he usually can do from an athletic standpoint he just isn’t able to do right now. I think he might have to make an adjustment to compensate – which I believe he has to some extent. But if I’m a fan, I remain patient. When it’s all said and done he’s going to be fine
The defensive struggles against the Seahawks, I felt, was related to honoring Russell Wilson and dealing with him and some guys trying to do too much. They got burned in the counter game as a result. Once they started playing more disciplined and focusing on their individual assignments it got better. That said they have to do a better job tackling. They were attacking much too high on runners I felt
They need to play the full game the way they play the fourth. They’ve only given up three points in the fourth quarter over the last three games. Only six all together.
No question the Seahawks were taking advantage of the Rams aggressive rush.
This is what Michael Brockers told me when I asked him basically about that very thing:
“Definitely got to have great assignment on your end because it’s like we have to squeeze a box on him. I said it before you have to kind of collapse on him and if you don’t collapse on him you leave that open and he’ll take advantage of it. His guys do a great job of doing the scramble drill and you know, getting open when he gets to moving around. It’s definitely a strategic way to rush Russell Wilson.”
“Yeah, because we got everything together. We got on the sideline, came together, and just talked about how we needed to improve as a defense and do better for our offense. Our offense did a hell of a job today and we just wanted to step up for those guys most importantly. It’s just about playing defense. Executing the defense, the way we should. Everybody tries to play the game within the game and I think that was a big deal with me today is trying to read what I’ve got and play off of it and stuff like that. As long as we do what we practiced and win our gaps, execute, and just dominate, I think we’ll be fine.”
“Personally for me. I feel like I was just trying to get out there and get to the quarterback or make plays in the back field, stopping the running stuff. Just doing way too much when I could’ve just been doing my job and everything would’ve handled itself.”
Their fourth-quarter defensive play shows what they are capable of when they lock down on their assignments and play disciplined. They just need to get off to better starts
October 10, 2018 at 12:26 am #92151znModeratorThere are 62 points that imply the Rams’ defense needs to tighten
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-report-20181009-story.html
The Rams are undefeated and boast one of the NFL’s most productive and dynamic offenses.
But the elation that permeated the locker room after last week’s narrow victory over the Seattle Seahawks was tempered on the defensive side.For the second game in a row, the Rams gave up 31 points.
In the final minutes with the Rams ahead by two, coach Sean McVay reversed a decision to punt — which would have put the outcome in the hands of a Rams defense — and went for it on fourth down. The call paid off when quarterback Jared Goff sneaked for a clinching first down that enabled the Rams to run out the clock.
McVay said his decision stemmed from his confidence in the team’s ability to gain a half-yard.
But as the Rams prepare for Sunday’s game at Denver — where defensive coordinator Wade Phillips won a Super Bowl — the defense will be working to correct mistakes and reestablish dominance.
“We held up when we needed to at the end of the game,” middle linebacker Cory Littleton said after the victory over the Seahawks. “At the end of the day, it doesn’t make you happy. Yes, we still get that win but we know we can play better and that’s what we plan on doing.”
The Rams, who shut out the Arizona Cardinals in Week 2, are giving up 19.6 points a game, which ranks sixth in the NFL. They are ninth in total defense, giving up 341.4 yards per game, and 10th in passing defense (234.6 yards).
But they are 18th in rushing defense, giving up 106.8 yards per game.
The Seahawks rushed for 190 yards.
“They haven’t seen a team that’s played physical,” Seahawks offensive lineman D.J. Fluker said of the Rams after the game. “They want to be pass rushers.“They haven’t seen a team to go out there and actually take it to them every single play.”
Asked how much, if at all, he was concerned about the Rams’ run defense, McVay this week praised the efforts of Seahawks running backs Chris Carson and Mike Davis, and said there were solutions for the Rams’ mistakes.
“I wouldn’t say you’re concerned,” McVay said. “We need to address some different things and there’s a reason why each one of those runs popped out. … What we’re encouraged about as you watch it as a staff are they’re very fixable things.”
In last season’s 42-7 rout of the Seahawks at CenturyLink Field, the Rams sacked quarterback Russell Wilson seven times. On Sunday, Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh each sacked Wilson once, but he extended multiple plays and passed for three touchdowns.
“Everybody gets terrified with 99 [Donald] and 93 [Suh],” Fluker said. “We weren’t terrified. We weren’t scared.”
Wilson’s elusiveness put pressure on a Rams secondary that is struggling without injured Aqib Talib.
A few weeks ago, cornerback Marcus Peters showed toughness by playing against the Minnesota Vikings only four days after suffering a calf strain against the Chargers.
But Peters struggled against the Vikings, and he appeared to get beat for touchdowns twice against the Seahawks. He also was called for defensive holding twice, one of the infractions nullifying a sack by linebacker Matt Longacre.
“The thing you love about Marcus, and I think any great corner that I’ve ever been around, there’s going to be some plays that you have to be able to respond from, but this guy is mentally tough,” McVay said, adding, “We know that those are part of the deal when you’re playing at that corner spot and he’s going to respond and make a lot of plays for us.”The Rams linebacker corps ostensibly was strengthened by the return of Mark Barron. The seventh-year pro returned from an Achilles’ injury and played 48 of 60 snaps. He made a team-best nine tackles.
“His ability to go sideline-to-sideline — some of the plays where he’s closing — you feel Mark,” McVay said, adding, “You can really just feel the way he’s able to immediately get guys to the ground because of the explosion and the suddenness that he plays with.”
The Broncos are 12th in the NFL in total offense (393.8 yards per game), third in rushing (137) and 18th in passing (256.8).
They are coming off a 34-16 defeat to the New York Jets, a loss that dropped their record to 2-3.
Broncos quarterback Case Keenum completed 35 of 51 passes for 377 yards and two touchdowns, with an interception. The Broncos rushed for 92 yards. -
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