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January 23, 2019 at 6:47 am in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97153
znModerator4 catches 36 yards— Mike Thomas
9 carries 31 yards — mark Ingram
8 carries 15 yards— Alvin Kamara
The refs decided the game though.
Oh I don’t think the refs decided the game. Far from it.
What I do think is that for many, that argument doesn’t go anywhere. The “non-call” fills their mental horizon.
znModeratorAfter some rather extensive studies, I have learned that the Los Angeles Rams are going to be in the Super Bowl.
I consider these studies to be conclusive.
Yeah. Well. You also said global warming was real.
So. You know.
znModeratorDowntown Rams@DowntownRams
Spoke with some people today in regards to the #Rams and their targets. I’d be pretty shocked if they do not select a QB in this draft. I would almost take it to the bank it’s someone from the #SeniorBowl#Rams could grab developmental prospect. Nice backup or trade bait
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NFL Network dropped this wonderful graphic of the #Rams defense. pic.twitter.com/EsWZRQIz00
— Downtown Rams (@DowntownRams) January 23, 2019
znModeratorBig time play in a big time game, @dantefowler helped secure the @RamsNFL's NFC title. @insidetheNFL | #LARams pic.twitter.com/KzhPVB0wOI
— NFL Films (@NFLFilms) January 22, 2019
znModeratorHi, AG. The Orlovsky was already here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/play-analysis-saints-game-orlovsky-and-others/#post-97130
I generally put “play break down” vids from any given game (by Orlovksy, Baldinger, etc) all in the same thread.
znModeratorRams Q&A: Vinny Bonsignore
Gurley? Just felt he was out of sorts, for whatever reason, on Sunday and they went with the other guy. Is he 100 percent? I doubt it. Is he good enough to play? Yes. Do I expect him to rebound? Absolutely
Any idea what Joyner was thinking on that bomb to Ginn? If he just focuses on swatting the ball away that blown PI call probably never happens.
Misplayed it. He knew he made a mistake. He was mad at himself.
Are Saints fans insufferable?
They have a right to be disappointed. But everyone needs to stop with the “integrity” “fair game” stuff. A mistake happened. A big one. But there were a handful other other mistakes, missed calls, in both games. Every game, for that matter. I know it doesn’t make it any easier. But that’s the truth of the matter.
Pats line is good. But Suh, Donald and Fowler are playing very well right now
most teams have an offensive coordinator. In this system, Sean is the OC. But obviously, he also has a lot of other responsibilities. So Shane and Aaron are in charge of the pass/run games, more to come up with plays they think work best against the defense they are playing that week. All with Sean collaborating, of course. But a lot of leg work in each phase is done by the pass/run guys
The Rams are 15-3 and have basically answered every challenge this year. The Patriots are just the latest one. I have said for a while now the Rams believe they are capable of beating anyone, anywhere, anytime, when they play their game. And I agree.
I think with much less noise and the offense being able to function better and the line firing off the ball more aggressively, I think the Rams can get their run game going. And if so, I think they can do to the Patriots what they’ve done to most teams vertically, horizontally and intermittently. The Patriots and Brady and Gronk….they can hurt you in so many different ways. Rams will be forced to make adjustments regardless
Would not be surprised with Todd being a big part of the gameplan. And deliver a great performance. I think a key to the defense against White and others is making life much more difficult for Brady then it’s been the last two games. The Rams have to get in his face a little bit. Much like they did with Brees.
I’ll use Sunday as an example. Kamara was hurting the Rams out of the backfield – and there were a couple other instances of LB’s in tough matchups against RB/WR. But the Rams, as they’ve done so many times, made adjustments as the game went on. I see that being the case again. It’s going to be a play by play deal, just as it was Sunday.
znModeratorHigbee was a huge against the Saints both in the passing game and as a blocker
Fakes a sift block here and works his way to the outside shoulder before going for the knees to give Reynolds the edge pic.twitter.com/tUG9WzzAQJ
— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) January 22, 2019
znModeratorAgree on Orlovsky, good as always.
January 22, 2019 at 7:32 pm in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97122znModeratorI dunno.
I don’t think many people care enough to cling to any narrative on the game one way or the other.
Well around here it’s everywhere. It comes up constantly and is the single most dominant thing said about the Rams. My wife’s drive to work is about 45 minutes and basically that’s all that got said about the Rams on the radio. They’re not very good, the refs gave them the game. I’ve already experienced it a few times—a friend will say, but they stole the game on the non-call, and I’ll go bs the Saints had a chance after that to win and threw an INT, and what I get is laughter…as in, oh look, Rams fan, of course he’s going to say stuff like that. It’s not even derisive, it’s just hey you;re cute when you stick up for your team like that in the face of obvious truth.
January 22, 2019 at 9:19 am in reply to: Gurley gets emotional after NFC Championship win | Jan 20, 2019 #97098znModeratorHas anyone heard the latest on Gurley?
Is he ok? … both physically and mentally?
Was he overwhelmed by the magnitude of the game??
He got benched basically.
Who knows why. Maybe he was a bit freaked out. We can only speculate–no one official has said anything.
znModeratorAs for the people who see it otherwise…enh…don’t care. Yeah, for some people, this will be the Blown PI game.
I don’t care. They are wrong, and I don’t care.
Good post.
You kept your poise with a heavy disagreement bearing down on you and still got it off on time to exactly the right spot in the thread. Well done.
znModeratorThe Dickerson/Cowherd discussion in this thread was fun.
znModeratorJared Goff performs well under pressure to send L.A. to Super Bowl LIII
https://www.therams.com/news/jared-goff-performs-well-under-pressure-to-send-l-a-to-super-bowl-liii
January 21, 2019 at 8:07 pm in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97081znModeratori would let it go. i’m usually not this sure. but i can say with almost certainty that i would. and if mcvay had called for a pass instead of a run like payton did, i would have raked him over the coals for that decision.
Okay, fair enough.
znModeratortrey wingo@wingoz
Lost in the hype of everything else in the NFC championship game was this: Week 9 Michael Thomas had 12 catches for 211 yards in The Saints win over the Rams when corner Aqib Talib was out. Sunday with Talib back? 4 catches for 36 yards. Aqib mattersCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Per PFF, Marcus Peters was targeted 3 times on 43 coverage snaps. He allowed 2 catches for 28 yards.Oakland Raiders@Raiders
Jared Cook has been named to AFC Pro Bowl Team.==
All things considered, Nickell Robey-Coleman had quite the afternoon yesterday. pic.twitter.com/f6oIQe78oB
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) January 21, 2019
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7 catches. 107 yards.@brandincooks played his old team and BALLED OUT! #LARams pic.twitter.com/0JN4yIyx26
— NFL (@NFL) January 21, 2019
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
Per PFF, Marcus Peters was targeted 3 times on 43 coverage snaps. He allowed 2 catches for 28 yards.znModeratorOn the world's biggest stage, go bigger. #justdoit pic.twitter.com/D6z0w8mWs1
— Nike Los Angeles (@NikeLA) January 20, 2019
znModeratorLindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Sean McVay becomes the youngest head coach at 32 to advance to the Super Bowl.Jared Goff stood tall in the Rams’ biggest moment and delivered. Now the Rams are headed to the Super Bowl. The three-week slump is old news.
The Athletic@TheAthleticLA
“I can’t hear shit,” Jared Goff said at times inside the the Superdome on Sunday. The soft-spoken QB managed to make himself heard in the huddle to rally the Rams to Super Bowl LIII.Michael Silver@MikeSilver
I’ve known @JaredGoff16 for a long time. He has always been unflappable. On Sunday he was… Super.==
Ted touched Sean McVay? He’s the next big hire. https://t.co/C40miUAhTq
— Patrick Conn (@DraftCowboys) January 21, 2019
znModeratorDante Fowler Jr. blew right by Ryan Ramczyk on this rush 💨 pic.twitter.com/LAaeMfj9ls
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 21, 2019
znModeratorI very much enjoyed Marcus Peters celebrating Zuerlein’s FG pic.twitter.com/Jx59O5jdwy
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 21, 2019
znModeratorAaron Donald play awareness ⬆️ pic.twitter.com/ubpztrjO0y
— Will Brinson (@WillBrinson) January 20, 2019
znModeratorMost non-Rams fans are going to be stuck on the non-call.
Reasoning about it is going to do zero good. As we all already know.
Point is though that if PI had been called the Saints get a first down and the chance to run down the clock and not let the Rams back in the game.
Of course, if the Saints hadn’t thrown the ball at all and had run 3 times instead, same thing happens. They run down the clock and the chances of the Rams having time to come back and tie are greatly diminished.
znModeratorMost fans “Here” = the fine folks of our message board…
Yeah. Agreed.
znModeratorThis is not a ‘Hollywood’ team. Not a finesse team. This is a battle-tested, tough team that hammered Dallas and outlasted the Saints in the dome.
I like this take on the game: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/silver-goffs-miraculous-throw-helps-send-rams-to-super-bowl/
After some ups and downs Goff emerges from this season as the clutch qb we was always hopin for.
Actually the number of clutch plays in that game was huge.
On the game winning FG in overtime Hekker had to manage a bad snap for example.
And speaking of Hekker when was the last time he actually completed a pass during a fake punt.
znModeratorRefocused, NFC Championship: Los Angeles Rams 26, New Orleans Saints 23
FINAL SCORE
Los Angeles Rams 26, New Orleans Saints 23
Los Angeles
In the first half, the L.A. offense looked nothing like it has this season with a sluggish start that struggled to move the ball. A quick two-minute drive led by Jared Goff at the end of the first half got the ball rolling for them, and Goff continued to come up with big throws in the fourth quarter to help lead the overtime comeback.
Todd Gurley had a brutal performance in the first half. He was given just three carries and gained four yards and had two drops on third down. One led to an interception deep in their own territory. The other would have been an easy first down pickup but instead L.A. had to settle for a field goal. In the end, C.J. Anderson was given 12 more carries and four more snaps overall.
For the second week in a row, Ndamukong Suh was playing at his best. Suh recorded two sacks and took control in the run game, winning with his power and speed against the Saints’ interior offensive line.
The return of Aqib Talib made a big difference to the Rams’ defense from their Week 9 meeting with New Orleans. Talib helped the Rams’ secondary prevent the Saints wideouts from dominating the affair. Ted Ginn Jr. finished with a team-high 58 yards.
New Orleans
Drew Brees struggled to move the ball downfield for the Saints. The majority of the offense ran through short passes to Alvin Kamara, who caught 11 of Brees’ 26 completions.
The Saints’ defense played very well early in the game and, coupled with the stadium noise, had the Rams off their game in the first half. But they couldn’t make enough plays in coverage late in the game when they needed to. If Robert Woods hadn’t gone to the ground on a slant on the Rams’ game-tying drive, it was entirely possible that they would have taken a touchdown lead after P.J. Williams misplayed the route giving him a wide-open shot in the middle of the field.
The Saints’ offensive line struggled with the Rams’ defensive front, as they were unable to open any holes to create running room. The Saints only averaged 2.3 yards per carry in the contest.
New Orleans got a decent amount of pressure on Goff, but they couldn’t convert many into sacks, nor get the pressure to cause incompletions in the final minutes of the game when it mattered most. Cameron Jordan had the Saints’ lone sack in the game but still beat Rob Havenstein a few other times.
Keys to the Game
Los AngelesThe Rams overcame a slow start on offense to score 16 points in the second half and eek out the win in overtime.
New Orleans
The Saints will forever see this game as one that was a blown call away from a win and another Super Bowl appearance. The missed pass interference call on third down in the last two minutes would have given the Saints the chance to run down the clock to win the game in regulation.
znModeratorIt was interesting how Wade put Suh on Kamara at times. Kamara could not have enjoyed that
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vIt’s the same thing Bellichick did to Faulk in the last Rams/Patz superbowl.
znModeratormost fans here see it this way…
Most RAMS fans.
Not most football fans.
You guys just posted 2 dissenting views but it’s not the majority view.
My point on that is simple. As Rams fans we know better but the non-call dominates everyone else’s view of that game. To the point where we will just have to live with it, like it or not. Once the McVay Rams win a lot the non-call won’t be as important but it’s never going to go away.
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January 21, 2019 at 5:00 pm in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97056znModeratorAnd, yeah, if it happened to the Rams that would be another mouthful of ashes. But I accept the possibility of that every time I sit down to watch the Rams play. That’s what’s at stake. I accept those terms.
Two weeks from now, I may have ashes in my mouth.
i would eventually get over it. i got over the 2002 superbowl, and i thought the pats cheated and got away with it.
but the rams lost. there were things they could have done to avoid it, but ultimately that’s the way the game went. nothing you can do about it. the rams lost. and payton made errors that also cost the saints. to me. passing on first down is unforgivable. it added at least 40 seconds of clock so that the Rams could come back and tie. that decision was under his control and harmed them as much as the non pi call. he should be kicking himself for that instead of the refs.
me? if that happened to the rams, i’d have taken mcvay to task for that. just run the ball, and force the opponent to burn a timeout. you’re introducing less variables to the equation and giving yourself a better chance to win. instead he passed. less things were under his control, and that non pi call was allowed to decide the game.
The issue I am addressing is how OTHERS see it not us.
Rams fans know the Saints had chances to win.
But the narrative of that game for OTHERS, the rest of the football world, will always be the non-call.
There is no way around that. A controversial call late in a game can will and often has completely dominated the narrative. That has already happened in this case.
So much so that it’s just something we have to learn to live with. Because it’s not going to go away. We can say and think what we want but for the majority of the football world, that game will be defined by the non-call, and always will be.
Hence my real point–that won’t go away but if (actually, when) the McVay Rams keep winning, it will diminish in its importance.
Again that’s regardless what WE think. Yeah WE say they had other chances to win. It won’t go anywhere…among non-Rams fans. The non-call will always be the story of the game for everyone else. Like it or not.
znModeratorhaving to wear his backup qbs helmet and it’s still cutting out?
To be fair that was just on 2 series. The speaker in the helmet radio system malfunctioned and they replaced it.
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January 21, 2019 at 1:34 pm in reply to: Refs also missed several calls that really hurt Rams #97038znModeratorEven with home field advantage, the Saints could not pull it out.
The Patriots still hear about the “tuck” rule.
They still have all those championships. I still bitch about the Pats mugging Falk in the Superbowl. Doesn’t matter.
This will eventually fade, although it will hover like a ghost.
Yeah when a game defining call or non-call happens late, it is always remembered. So for example we all know about The Tuck Rule (which you mention) and The Immaculate Reception.
BUT a good team can persevere and when it does, that kind of thing takes on less importance in its legacy.
It doesn’t go away. And no one ever gets more reasonable about it. It just matters less.
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