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    Bad analogy.

    A ship captain should be demonstrably skilled in navigation, among other things.

    A voter is part of a conflicted collective and makes political choices based on a sense of their own interests.

    Believing only elites should vote is based on the groundless assumption that you need certain level of knowledge to vote, and that those elites then make disinterested neutral choices based on a rational sense of the greater good.

    Nah they see and experience the world exactly the same way—through the lens of their own interests. And vote accordingly.

    Meanwhile for everyone on a ship, it’s in all their own interests to have a competent captain who is skilled at the craft of ship sailing.

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    Joyner on Patriots offense: “They do a really good job attacking where you’re weak.”

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    Super Bowl Practice Report: Goff, offense sharp for first on-field work of the week

    https://www.therams.com/news/super-bowl-practice-report-goff-offense-sharp-for-first-on-field-work-of-the-wee

    Gronkowski on the Rams: “They’re a good defense — and especially their front line.”

    https://www.therams.com/news/patriots-te-gronkowski-on-the-rams-they-re-a-good-defense-and-especially-their-f

    Aaron Donald on Super Bowl LIII: “A game-changing play — that’s what you’re here for.

    https://www.therams.com/news/aaron-donald-on-super-bowl-liii-a-game-changing-play-that-s-what-you-re-here-for

    Rams offense readying for Belichick’s in-game adjustments

    https://www.therams.com/news/rams-offense-readying-for-belichick-s-in-game-adjustments

    Injury Report 1/30: Greg Zuerlein listed as limited for Rams

    https://www.therams.com/news/injury-report-1-30-gz-listed-as-limited-for-rams-first-practice-day-of

    Quotes & Notes 1/30: Running back C.J. Anderson give his keys to winning the Super Bowl

    https://www.therams.com/news/quotes-notes-1-30-running-back-c-j-anderson-give-his-keys-to-winning-the-super-b

    in reply to: 2019 Senior Bowl Coverage – Day 1 Takeaways #97525
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    SENIOR BOWL

    North

    1Corey BallentineDC6-0204 WashburnDivision II Intriguing kid, seems a little slow off the ball. Need to see his combine … could be anywhere from 3rd to 7th.

    1Tony PollardRB6-0208 MemphisAAC Always liked him. Plays a lot of slot WR for a RB and could be a James White type.

    2Kris BoydDC6-0195 TexasBig 12 Didn’t have a great week. Definitely dropped him a couple rounds, maybe more.

    2Dexter WilliamsRB5-11215 Notre DameIND Eh … RBs in this draft, if you’re not the top 5 or 6 … you’re gonna slide. The combine will show how good the juniors are.

    3Drew LockQB6-4225 MissouriSEC Showed potential. I have liked him as the top QB in the draft since last year when everyone forgot about him. I like his attitude. But he needs the right situation, the right QB coach, and still likely a year of development. He has 9 inch hands … that’s small in my opinion.

    3Germaine PrattILB6-3240 North Carolina StateACC Every year high quality LBs last late in the draft. This kid will have a career at the next level.

    4Darnell SavageS5-11200 MarylandBig Ten I like safeties in the other games better.

    5Andy IsabellaWR5-10195 UMASSIND Showed better in the game, likely a Patriot next year.

    5John CominskyDE6-5275 CharlestonDivision II Needs at least 1 year of redshirt to get stronger.

    8Will HarrisS6-2210 Boston CollegeACC I have a thing for BC safeties … they are almost always converted CBs with great feet. If we take a safety high I’d still consider taking him late.

    8Keelan DossWR6-3206 UC DavisFCS So … physically the kid is amazing. 1st round talent. I did NOT like his body language. Rubbed me the wrong way. Combine will clinch it beause Ill be able to see his face.

    9Trace McSorleyQB6-0203 Penn StateBig Ten Kid wins games. Great backup to have, just have to plan around his height and let him run a little.

    9Te’Von ConeyILB6-1240 Notre DameIND Pretty active week, went past my expectations.

    10Terry McLaurinWR6-1205 Ohio StateBig Ten One of the biggest risers for me … but listen .. he’s going to drop the football sometimes. However? He will get deep every game.

    11Jordan BrownDC6-1195 South Dakota St.FCS This kid’s play improved day to day so Im still in learning mode … want to see his combine, specifically backpedal drills.

    11Jakobi MeyersWR6-2203 North Carolina StateACC Great practice week, ugly game. This is one of those guys who may be really good and have great numbers and still get drafted late … like the kids that Gree Bay took in the late rounds last year.

    12Jaylen SmithWR6-4220 LouisvilleACC Soft and doesn’t concentrate, confirmed by practice and game.

    13Marquise BlairS6-2195 UtahPac-12 I expected him to have a better week. Its a thick patch at safety and he needs to do something to separate.

    15Ryan FinleyQB6-4212 North Carolina StateACC Always been a fan. Backup. Great accuracy. Smart.

    15Sutton SmithOLB6-1237 Northern IllinoisMAC Got exposed this week. get him for special teams undrafted.

    17Daniel JonesQB6-5220 DukeACC Ive followed him since he was a sophomore … for me it’s simple. He will not stay healthy in the NFL. He’ll get drafted high. That team will be sorry.

    18Penny HartWR5-8180 Georgia StateSun Belt Gotta put the ball on him. He’s not only short, but has short arms.

    21Amani OruwariyeDC6-1201 Penn StateBig Ten CB 2/4 for someone … nothing flashy

    22Karan HigdonRB5-10202 MichiganBig Ten I can’t believe he skipped his bowl game. It’s not like he was a 3rd round pick or anything. Likely not in the top 20 RBs … I would have him off my draft board.

    23Nasir AdderleyS6-0200 DelawareFCS they really talked him up, and he has some amazing highlights … but I saw him make some mistakes … talk about him going high? I can’t see that.

    24Iman MarshallDC6-1205 USCPac-12 Terrible junior year, great senior year and good senior bowl week. Could be a first rounder or a 5th. Need to see his numbers.

    44Zach AllenDE6-5285 Boston CollegeACC This guy is a monster … but I think I’ve moved on him to 4-3 DE instead of 5tech … he lost weight and looks more like a 7T

    49Donald ParhamTE6-8240 StetsonFCS Injured but gigantic.

    52Ben BanoguOLB6-4249 TCUBig 12 Inconsistent reps. I had him high from college tape and he dropped a ways.

    58Kaleb McGaryOT6-8324 WashingtonPac-12 Maybe the biggest riser for me. A “maybe he can play” to a 1st round Right tackle. Just draft him fr the right side and let him play for a decade.

    63Michael DeiterOG6-6310 WisconsinBig Ten Wisconsin boys had a sub par week. That said they are best as a unit, so I always have to remind myself.

    64Nate DavisOG6-3311 CharlotteC-USA Explosive out of his strange stance … definitely watching him as I want as much depth at O line as possible.

    65Garrett BradburyOC6-3300 North Carolina StateACC Great week, likely played himself above Jenkins and close to round 1.

    66Beau BenzschawelOG6-6315 WisconsinBig Ten He and deiter are both super athletic, but I like my guards a little shorter …

    70Chuma EdogaOT6-4295 USCPac-12 Came out of nowhere and had a great week. Im eyeballing him if he slides at all.

    71Dalton RisnerOT6-5308 Kansas StateBig 12 Whitehead clone? Probably. A tad meaner though.

    73Max ScharpingOT6-6320 Northern IllinoisMAC Did better than I thought but I’d want him as my 3rd …

    75Chris LindstromOG6-4310 Boston CollegeACC Had a good week … overall the O lines here had a ton of depth, the fight to get on rosetrs this year will be interesting.

    78Erik McCoyOC6-4315 Texas A&MSEC had a great week and played himself into the conversation for day two.

    88Drew SampleTE6-5251 WashingtonPac-12
    89Tommy SweeneyTE6-5260 Boston CollegeACC
    I like both, they both block and run hard after the catch … show good hands. I want them in the Carrier spot.

    90Charles OmenihuDE6-6275 TexasBig 12 Did not have the week he anticipated … likely dropped some.

    91L.J. CollierDE6-4276 TCUBig 12 Great 4-3 base end and interior pass rushe on passing downs … someone will get a steal here.

    92Byron CowartDE6-4293 MarylandBig Ten Now this kid is intruiging because I had him at Auburn and liked him, then lost track of him. Need to see if he can 5 tech.

    93Anthony NelsonDE6-7271 IowaBig Ten A little soft and no splash plays from him. Surprised.

    95Renell WrenDT6-6297 Arizona StatePac-12 had a great week for him and can likely play the 5 tech easily … eyeballing him hard for the combine. He had good reps inside and out.

    97Jalen JelksDE6-6245 OregonPac-12 eh … He flashed a little … still looking early day 3 for me.

    98Greg GainesDT6-2316 WashingtonPac-12 … so … Kevin Wolfe from a few years ago? Not super flashy, but then seems to consistently blow up blocks and toss O linemen. No idea where he goes but I’ll be paying close attention.

    99Khalen SaundersDT6-2 312 Guy did a back flip. He pushed the pocket pretty mercilessly too … good leverage player … honestly? I think Brandon Williams here …

    SOUTH

    1Deebo SamuelWR6-0210 South CarolinaSEC Probably better all around at being Randall Cobb than Randall Cobb was coming out.

    1Lonnie Johnson Jr.DC6-3206 KentuckySEC I like the Kentucky DBs, been watching them since their freshman years and they have that extra of “turned a program around” in them.

    2Terrill HanksOLB6-2230 New Mexico StateIND Kid can play .. need to see more.

    3Tyree JacksonQB6-7245 BuffaloMAC Backup. Do not try to start this kid, he is not accurate enough.

    4Jaquan JohnsonS5-11195 MiamiACC I have him as a 1st rounder … he did nothing to dissuade me. Need to see his foot speed, but he plays like Earl Thomas.

    6Rock Ya-SinDC6-2190 TempleAAC He came in with hype and had a good week of practice, main thing was attitude and willingness to compete. He’s a 1st rounder, may be the first CB off the board, but I think Greedy is better.

    7Oshane XiminesDE6-4255 Old DominionC-USA Was he there? I saw him get destroyed a few times and that’s it.

    7Will GrierQB6-2223 West VirginiaBig 12 Im just not a huge fan. Again, unless these top 4 guys get a perfect situation I can’t see them as starters.

    8Kingsley KekeDT6-4305 Texas A&MSEC the interior DTs at A and M have strength and endurance most will not expect. I have them solid mid rounds (Mack higher)

    8Jarrett StidhamQB6-3215 AuburnSEC I can just echo the sentiments from the others …

    9Montez SweatDE6-6245 Mississippi StateSEC He blew some people up in practice and game, my guess is he goes top 20.

    11Tyre BradyWR6-3206 MarshallC-USA He’ll be underdrafted but plays big, fast, and aggressive. I’d have him in my top 40.

    11David Long Jr.ILB5-11221 West VirginiaBig 12 He’s going to start at WILL … off the charts instincts and explosive first step … Lavonte David is my comp. Ill bet on him in a second.

    12Gary JenningsWR6-2215 West VirginiaBig 12 Both WVU WRs had a great week. makes me doubt Grier more actually because they played lights out.

    13Hunter RenfrowWR5-10180 ClemsonACC Amendola.

    13Jonathan LedbetterDE6-4280 GeorgiaSEC Stout 4-3 base end. Really strong.

    14Isaiah JohnsonDC6-4203 HoustonAAC handsy so I’d be careful, but seems ot have plus ability and agility with length and size … 3rd rounder?

    15Travis FulghamWR6-3215 Old DominionC-USA Had some solid plays … looked a little tentative. Put him late and see if he steps into the game.

    16Gardner Minshew IIQB6-2220 Washington StatePac-12 the backup I’d want. mainly because confidence and comand of offense and intelligence.

    16Sione TakitakiOLB6-2230 Brigham YoungIND Liked him all year. Sideline to sideline and arrives angry. But Lbs after the top few are always a confusing thing for me.

    17Jimmy MorelandDC5-11175 James MadisonFCS Smaller, but agile cat quick and adds in the return game … 3-5?

    18Foster MoreauTE6-6256 LSUSEC Tough kid. I prefer the North squads, but I liked him okay.

    20Bobby OkerekeILB6-3234 StanfordPac-12 I don;t know that he always makes the best decisions.

    21David Sills VWR6-4210 West VirginiaBig 12 great week, will be underdrafted. Id likely have both he and Jennings in the second frame … but both could slide to the 5th.

    21Juan ThornhillS6-0210 VirginiaACC Kind of a rough week, Iiked his tape during the year much better.

    25Darius WestS6-0210 KentuckySEC Made some plays, late rounder.

    26Mark FieldsDC5-11180 ClemsonACC Played his way into the conversation this week after missing much of the year at Clemson.

    27Darrin HallRB5-11225 PittsburghACC Love this kid. Power, burst, lateral agility and home run speed out in the open.

    31Wes HillsRB6-2218 Slippery RockDivision II Injured during game, hope not serious … absolute meat grinder with plus speed. He aims for contact, so you’re looking at a one contract RB.

    32Mike EdwardsS6-0200 KentuckySEC Great week, outplayed expectations, he’d be close to a second rounder right now. bBut .. safeties slide. He was great in coverage.

    34Daylon MackDT6-1320 Texas A&MSEC Strong enough to put everyone he faces at a disadvantage. I’d like him at the nose, no idea how high he’ll climb after these two weeks.

    38Johnathan AbramS6-0215 Mississippi StateSEC Got hurt I think.

    45Jaylon FergusonDE6-5262 Louisiana TechC-USA Flashed … I think he’ll be overdrafted, but he flashed.

    49Isaiah BuggsDT6-2286 AlabamaSEC I am not sure what to do with him.

    57Deshaun DavisILB5-11246 AuburnSEC London Fletcher.

    58Tytus HowardOT6-6311 Alabama StateFCS He really played tough … improved daily.

    60Andre DillardOT6-5306 Washington StatePac-12 Top tackle in the draft now for me.

    70Javon PattersonOG6-3314 Ole MissSEC Late rounder.

    71Ross PierschbacherOC6-4309 AlabamaSEC Did not hold up as well one on one.

    72Ben PowersOG6-4313 OklahomaBig 12 Mean. Like Im scared of him now.

    73Oli UdohOT6-5356 ElonFCS He’ll get an opportunity .. he has skill.

    74Elgton JenkinsOC6-4310 Mississippi StateSEC Maybe not the first rounder he was once seen as, but he’ll start and he can definitely move human beings.

    75Dru SamiaOG6-5303 OklahomaBig 12 Inconsistent but I don;t want to harsh on him that bad.

    78Dennis DaleyOT6-6324 South CarolinaSEC had some good reps but may never make a team.

    79B.J. AutryOG6-5340 Jacksonville St.FCS injured?

    83Anthony JohnsonWR6-2210 BuffaloMAC I expected more from him, he dropped some passes.

    87Dax RaymondTE6-5250 Utah StateMW Like his movement skills and hands … but is he better than Mundt?

    90Demarcus ChristmasDT6-4305 Florida StateACC Barely saw him, but he’s good and will last late because of inconsistent play.

    91Carl GrandersonDE6-5261 WyomingMW Didn’t wow me … but IM open to seeing his numbers and considering him late.

    95Dontavius RussellDT6-3320 AuburnSEC Just a lot of quality beef in this draft. He won’t outplay his teammate at the next level, but he’s a rotational starter.

    in reply to: tweets & other bits … 1/29 & 1/30 #97520
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    Rams faced a brutal schedule of EDSR defenses down the stretch. Playing 1 defense that ranked
    below average in the Saints.
    4 defenses ranked top-10 in their last 6 games.
    Pats will be the easiest def they have faced since week 13.

    Los Angeles Rams@RamsNFL
    “His energy he brings every day, you know, his good attitude— you like working for a guy like that.”

    @TG3II on Coach McVay, team returning to practice and feeling good.

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    For the Rams to Win, They’ve Got to Stifle the Run—and That Inside Pass

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/30/super-bowl-preview-rams-defense-patriots-offense?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social

    Belichick and McVay are Super Bowl LIII’s odd couple

    https://www.profootballweekly.com/2019/01/30/hub-arkush-belichick-and-mcvay-are-super-bowl-liiis-odd-couple/asl4y57/

    What makes McVay’s offensive scheme successful? “He’s trying to fit his offense around our players.”

    https://www.therams.com/news/what-makes-mcvay-s-offensive-scheme-successful-he-s-trying-to-fit-his-offense-ar

    Rams counting on Greg Zuerlein to tell them what he needs out of practice

    Rams counting on Greg Zuerlein to tell them what he needs out of practice

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/30/rams-counting-on-greg-zuerlein-to-tell-them-what-he-needs-out-of-practice/

    Why Peter King Believes Patriots Will Beat Rams In Super Bowl Shootout

    Why Peter King Believes Patriots Will Beat Rams In Super Bowl Shootout

    https://nesn.com/2019/01/why-peter-king-believes-patriots-will-beat-rams-in-super-bowl-shootout/

    Sean McVay anxious for Rams to get out on field

    Sean McVay anxious for Rams to get out on field

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/30/sean-mcvay-anxious-to-get-out-on-field/

    Rams living by “we not me,” with the star of the team being the team

    Rams living by “we not me,” with the star of the team being the team

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/30/rams-living-by-we-not-me-with-the-star-of-the-team-being-the-team/

    in reply to: articles on Goff, including Manning & Silver on JG #97504
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    California cool
    Jared Goff’s football career has been a roller-coaster ride, but the 24-year-old Rams quarterback offsets all highs and lows with an unwavering chill.

    Michael Silver

    http://www.nfl.com/labs/sidelines/jared-goff/jared-goff.html

    LOS ANGELES — The mood was tense. The stakes were enormous. The din was deafening — and that was just in the Los Angeles Rams’ huddle.

    Trailing 13-0 early in the second quarter of the NFC Championship Game in New Orleans two Sundays ago, his team rattled by a cacophonous Superdome crowd he’d later describe as “the loudest thing I’ll ever experience … disorienting … dizzying,” 24-year-old quarterback Jared Goff finally snapped. Yet it wasn’t the relentless roar of the 73,028 fans that triggered the young passer; rather, it was the well-intentioned intervention of some of the equally besieged men in his midst.

    “He took control in a way that I’d never seen before,” veteran tackle Andrew Whitworth recalled last Thursday. “It was crazy loud, and a bunch of us kept trying to chime in and give input, and he just said, ‘Hey! Everybody shut up. I’ll get you guys into the right places. This is my show. I’ve got it.’ First time I’ve ever heard him do that … and you know what? Everybody listened.”

    Said guard Rodger Saffold: “He said it with some bass in his voice. That was pretty cool. It was like, OK, Jared — I see you. The noise was insane, but the fact that he was able to settle us down, show his leadership and lead us to victory shows you how much he’s grown these last three years. He had so much poise — and that’s the biggest thing you need to know about Jared Goff: He has poise, win or lose.”

    After spurring the Rams to a 26-23, overtime victory over the Saints, Goff charged onto the field and made some noise of his own. As he recalled last Wednesday during an interview at his home near Calabasas, California, that will air on NFL Network’s “GameDay Morning” on Super Sunday, “As soon as we got a few points on the board, it started to get a little more quiet. The more we’d score, the more quiet it’d get. You know, after a big play, it’d be dead silent. And when Greg (Zuerlein) hit that (game-winning, 57-yard) field goal, all you could hear was us screaming.”

    Now, Goff and the Rams have a chance to make some legacy-defining noise in Atlanta, where on Sunday they’ll face living legend Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in Super Bowl LIII at Mercedes-Benz Stadium. The matchup between a pair of quarterbacks raised in Northern California a generation apart is not one Goff will take lightly; he called the opportunity to compete against the 41-year-old Brady, who has been to eight previous Super Bowls and won five, “an honor.”

    That said, he is highly unlikely to get overwhelmed by the enormity of the occasion. For if Goff, the first overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, has a defining characteristic, it’s probably not his golden arm, wicked release or bold nature; rather, it’s his uncanny ability to remain calm and collected in adverse conditions or, similarly, to stay grounded when things are going great.

    Or, more succinctly: His chill factor is off the charts.

    “He is unfazed,” Rams coach Sean McVay said of his quarterback. “He has unreal poise and confidence that allows him to handle the success and adversity the same — which is a great characteristic for your quarterback to have.”

    And Goff, who has absorbed an inordinate share of outside skepticism during his young career — having been stigmatized for, among other things, having small hands, going 0-7 during a rough rookie season and being a so-called system quarterback — believes that staying even-keeled gives him the best chance to be exceptional.

    “I think that’s the way you should be as a quarterback,” he told me last Wednesday. “I think there is some time to show emotion and to have passion, and to show that intensity to people. At the same time, I think having a guy that can be the same all the time, good or bad, is super important.”

    And, it turns out, Super: In becoming the first passer to guide the Rams to the Ultimate Game since Hall of Famer Kurt Warner 17 years ago — with a chance to emulate Warner’s Lombardi-seizing performance in Atlanta two years before that — Goff has made a mockery of those critics who wrote him off as a bust as recently as the summer of 2017.

    * * * * *

    As with many rookie quarterbacks, Goff’s indoctrination into the NFL was a choppy one. Unlike many No. 1 overall picks, however, this signal-caller’s path to the top of the draft was also a choppy one.

    Goff, who grew up north of San Francisco in the sleepy town of Novato, didn’t earn the starting job at Marin Catholic High School until three games into his junior year. Despite a highly prolific prep career, the 6-foot-4 passer wasn’t a blue-chip recruit when he enrolled at nearby Cal in the fall of 2013. He proceeded to win the starting job as a true freshman — only to suffer through a 1-11 season bracketed by indignity and injury. As a sophomore for the defense-deficient Golden Bears, Goff was occasionally sent to the sidelines in favor of his more mobile backup, and Cal failed to qualify for a bowl game once more. Then, after guiding the Bears to an 8-5 mark and an Armed Forces Bowl victory as a junior, Goff declared for the draft, and a steady procession of snide comments began.

    Some of the negative perceptions quickly evaporated. Goff, who as a freshman had been pulled from a game at Oregon because he’d struggled amid rainy conditions, refuted that stigma when he shined during a wet pre-draft workout for the Rams in Berkeley. At the NFL Scouting Combine, Goff’s hand measurement caused a stir — at nine inches, he was supposedly deficient in that department. To this day, Goff and his closest friends laugh at the “small hands” imbroglio. As he said last week: “They’re big enough to get to the Super Bowl, I guess.”

    When the Rams traded up to land the first overall pick a couple of weeks before the draft, they were targeting Goff, who would begin his career as Case Keenum’s backup. He got his first start on Nov. 20, when the Rams were 4-5; three weeks later, after a blowout home defeat to the Atlanta Falcons, head coach Jeff Fisher was fired. Playing behind an underperforming offensive line, Goff would end up losing all seven of his starts as a rookie, and the ‘B’ word — bust — began popping up in TV segments, newspaper columns and various social media platforms.

    “It didn’t really mean anything to me,” Goff said. “I played seven games, and three of them without a head coach. I had a good perspective on it. I understood that seven games shouldn’t define me and won’t define me. I know what I can do and I know who I am. I never lost any confidence. And I hope all the rookie quarterbacks out there this year can look at my story and see how quickly it can turn around, and just continue to keep their head up.”

    The Rams’ hiring of McVay, who at 30 was the youngest head coach in modern NFL history, was inspired by his reputation as a budding quarterback guru. It would end up being a game-changer, for both the franchise and the young franchise quarterback, but Goff’s transformation wasn’t as sudden or immediate as is commonly perceived.

    “Honestly, we didn’t really know how it was gonna go, ’cause there were so many things he needed to improve upon — from having consistency with his football, to his movement in the pocket, to reading defenses with his feet, to having the confidence to stand in there and deliver the throw,” recalled newly hired Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur, who was McVay’s offensive coordinator in 2017. “He got beat up pretty good the year before, and it wasn’t like we got there and it was magical. Early on, in OTAs, our defense made a ridiculous amount of sacks. But to his credit, he worked extremely hard, and it was the coolest experience I’ve ever had in coaching — to see his confidence grow by the day, to see a young player mature before our eyes. It was like watching a boy become a man.”

    At first, Greg Olson — now the Raiders’ offensive coordinator, he was the Rams’ quarterbacks coach at the time — didn’t embrace Goff’s chill.

    “Initially, I thought it was indifference,” Olson admitted. “But I soon realized it was a calm demeanor under pressure. I’ve never, ever sensed panic in him. It’s just his personality. He never gets rattled. He has nerves of steel.”

    Said LaFleur: “That’s the one thing I can say about him as a person: He’s got a resilient mindset. A lot of people would have crumbled and failed. He’s unfazed. The thing that’s so cool about him is, if he makes a mistake, he’s able to bounce back. Some guys pile on; he’s able to hit the reset button.”

    After a strong second season that featured the Rams winning their first NFC West title since 2003, Goff got much, much better in 2018, spurring the Rams to an 8-0 start. Yet even as he entered the upper echelon of quarterbacking, Goff’s achievements were often marginalized by outsiders who credited the team’s offensive success to McVay’s innovative game plans.

    Goff, some critics charged, was merely executing the coach’s orders, sometimes receiving input through his helmet before receiving the snap (as allowed by NFL rules before the play clock reaches 15 seconds). Others claimed he was simply a product of — wait for it — The System.

    The tag became a running joke among Goff’s cadre of close friends since childhood — one of whom, Patrick Conroy, showed up at the Rams’ playoff opener wearing a T-shirt he’d just ordered off the internet, complete with Rams colors and the words “Los Angeles System QB” scrawled across the front.

    “When people started coming out with that, we kind of laughed — people wanted to put that claim on him,” Conroy said. “So when I saw that online (on a website with merchandise that poked fun at various L.A.-based athletes), I had to grab it. He saw it and said, ‘That’s pretty good.’ And yes, I’ll be wearing it to the Super Bowl.”

    Said another of Goff’s close friends, Cam Croteau: “We’ve had some fun with that. We’ll be at a game, and every time Jared drops a dime, we’ll go, ‘Oh, wow — that was a great throw, Sean.’ McVay has been hyped up as The Guru, and understandably. For a lot of people, things like (the Rams’ rapid improvement) are binary: There’s one reason why this happened. It’s a little bit of a chip on the shoulder for [Goff], but it’s not what defines him.”

    For what it’s worth, the person most bothered by the System QB label is McVay himself. Said the coach: “He makes ‘The System’ what it is — because he’s great.”

    Goff’s response: “I appreciate him defending me. And, you know, it means a lot. But [the label] doesn’t bother me. I mean, honestly: We win games, and you can call me whatever you want.”

    * * * * *

    Midway through the season, with the Rams sitting atop the NFL with a perfect record, many people were calling Goff a legitimate MVP candidate. In mid-December, after a three-game stretch (including defeats to the Chicago Bears and Philadelphia Eagles) during which the quarterback threw seven interceptions and only one touchdown pass, Goff was suddenly being portrayed as a liability who’d leveled off after a promising start.

    In both cases, Goff stayed level-headed and even-keeled. His parents, Jerry and Nancy, say he has always been that way, sometimes to the point of semi-absurdity. This past November, when a pair of wildfires raged near the Rams’ training facility, Goff’s parents were visiting from Northern California. As the flames drew closer to his home in the hills, Goff unplugged and checked out.

    “That (Thursday) night when the fire got close to the house, he just went to sleep,” Nancy recalled. “He was trusting the people close to him to look out for him, which is true to his nature. Once we saw how close it was, we woke him up, and it was, ‘Alright, let’s go.’ He got in the car like it was nothing (and evacuated). He worries about the things he needs to worry about, but not what other people need to worry about.”

    Two months later, Goff stood on the Superdome field feeling besieged. The coach-to-player communication system in his helmet malfunctioned before the Rams’ first drive, forcing him to wear backup Sean Mannion’s helmet instead. At times, Goff put his hands over his earholes in an effort to hear McVay’s play calls, and when that footage was broadcast on the stadium scoreboards, things got even louder.

    At the end of the first quarter, the Rams trailed 13-0 and would need a fake punt from their own 30 to extend their first scoring drive — with Goff’s shut up and let me handle this huddle speech sparking a new level of focus.

    “I essentially realized how much of a premium communication in there needed to be,” Goff recalled. “Even more so than we initially thought, because of the noise. I don’t remember what I said.

    “It was definitely a stressful first few drives there. You never want to start off that way. I could barely hear anything. I’m wearing someone else’s helmet. They got up 13-0. It was not a good situation for us, but it was an awesome one to scrape our way back and come out on top.”

    In other words, even though he stays calm on the outside, Goff is not completely impervious to pressure.

    “I think part of it is just the way I am,” he said. “Stuff just kind of rolls off my back pretty easily, regardless of the situation, if it’s pressure-packed or not. And I think a lot of it is, I am feeling that pressure. I’m just trying not to show and trying to be the steady, calm personality that I think a quarterback needs to be.”‘

    * * * * *

    On Super Sunday, Goff will go up against the most accomplished quarterback ever to play the game — a man who won his first Lombardi Trophy 17 years earlier against the then-St. Louis Rams, when Goff was in second grade.

    Brady was 24 at the time, and that victory launched him on a path that made him one of the sports world’s biggest celebrities. Goff, the same age now as Brady was then, knows that a victory over the Patriots could be life-changing.

    “I hope so,” he said. “I hope we win and I hope it’s great. (But) I don’t think I’ll change too much; I don’t think my immediate circle will change too much.”

    And if Goff starts to show signs of affectedness — well, the noise he hears from his friends and family members will be Superdome-level loud.

    “He’s always been the same, and stuff never gets to his head,” said Robbie Terheyden, another of Goff’s close friends since childhood. “If it starts to, we’ll bring him back.”

    Goff’s father, Jerry, has little doubt about that: “His friends would tune him up so fast. If he wins, there are gonna be a lot of things thrown his way — at least, I assume there will be — but in terms of his personality, he would never change, because we would call him on it. We know he has humility, and we know what he stands for. It’s not something I’d ever stress out about.”

    Chances are, neither will his son. And if he does, you can bet he won’t show it.

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    So how many spread/air-raid QBs have made it to the Super Bowl?

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    That’s really 2 different things.

    How many qbs from a spread?

    How many qbs from an Air Raid? (The AR is TYPE of spread but the terms “Air Raid” and “spread” are not interchangeably equivalent. Like, gumbo is a stew but not all stews are gumbo.)

    College spread qbs in the superbowl: Newton, Flacco, Kaepernick, Roethlisberger, Brees.

    Air Raid qbs in the superbowl: Foles

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    Field Yates@FieldYates
    Patriots running back/offensive line prowess: they had just 19 carries all season that lost yardage, fewest in the NFL. A sign of powerful dudes up front and decisive runners.

    Downtown Rams@DowntownRams
    Report: WR DeSean Jackson wants to sign with the #Rams this off-season.

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    Greg Zuerlein said he normally doesn’t kick in Wednesday practices, but that he’s fine. No boot or anything on his left foot today.

    Bleacher Report@BleacherReport
    Rams WR Brandin Cooks gifting the team custodian with a pair of tickets to the Super Bowl is what it’s all about

    Michael Silver@MikeSilver
    The people who actually coach and draft quarterbacks think [Goff is] tremendous.

    Dan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
    Part of why the @RamsNFL & @Patriots are in #SuperBowlLIII is because their best players/leaders are also their best/hardest workers. #Rams have Gurley & Whitworth & AD the #Patriots have Brady & Edelman & McCourty Twins. Their actions match their words-everyone else follows.

    Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
    On Christmas Eve in 2016, after the 6th straight loss to start his career, Jared Goff promised to fix the Rams

    “I promise you guys it will get fixed – everything in my heart and soul to get it all fixed.”

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    That’s us trying to explain Aaron Donald to a Dallas fan.

    “But, he’s small, right? How can he play defensive tackle that small.”

    “Well, because he’s compact, and yet also strong AND quick AND fast, he wins leverage battles, and is hard to block.”

    “I heard he wants to be paid like a quarterback.”

    “Well, he isn’t paid the same amount as the top 5 quarterback contracts, but it’s about the same as the next 5 down.”

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    Rams Q&A: Vinny Bonsignore

    The Patriots were young back in the day too. I don’t see it being a factor. I think the Rams are ready for this

    Get pressure on Brady. Slow down the run game. Don’t turn it over

    I felt like both teams are comfortable this week, so far. Which to me, bodes well for the Rams. You’d expect the Patriots to be loose and relaxed given their Super Bowl experience. The Rams being relaxed is a good sign

    Rams 35 Patriots 31

    . Edge rusher is where I see them going early in the draft

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    Has a “SB articles thread” been created?

    Right here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-v-pats-media-predictions/

    However, sometimes articles have a compelling interest that puts them in their own thread instead of in the “topic x” thread (like SB articles).

    That’s up to you but this looks like it can be its own thread.

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    Andrew Siciliano@AndrewSiciliano
    Teams that return to the Super Bowl after losing in the Super Bowl the previous year have lost five straight Super Bowls.

    Does that make sense?

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    There is always going to be some error in judgement calls and a certain amount is unfixable. imo

    Yeah I agree with that.

    And many, famously, have gone against the Rams.

    For example all I have to say is “Mack, false start.”

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    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    It was a terrible call. And the #NFL admitted as much to the #Saints and Sean Payton. Which has been publicly disclosed. Not sure what the “bad look” is outside of the human error that was admitted to to the coach and owner. What more does anyone need?

    Mistakes happen. If you’ve decided to be a sports fan or sports participant, you’ve pretty much signed off on the fact there is a human element that might one day rip your heart out and stomp on it

    I’ve been following sports a long time. I am OK that sometimes humans just blow it. Even referees. It’s every bit a part of sports as a QB missing the obvious read and throwing a pick. I don’t need public “denouncing” I get the human element. We all F up.

    Every Friday during the regular season I and many other reporters were sent an #NFL officiating video/breakdown from the previous Sunday in which calls were explained and mistakes were owned up to. I have no doubt the NFL is on the up and up.

    Aaron Schatz @FO_ASchatz
    Fun stat: @SportsInfo_SIS has the #LARams running 561 plays with 11 personnel/QB under center. No other team is above 200! Most teams tend to go shotgun when they go to 11 personnel.

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    Kurt Warner@kurt13warner
    The difference is the @RamsNFL try to make everything look the same & run a lot of same plays in their approach… we tried to make everything look different & ran plays weekly no one had seen before

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    Don’t like the guy’s anti-union message. Unions serve purposes and have value that go way beyond the mythical “they always irrationally back their own” message this guy delivers. In fact he’s pointing out that officiating was especially bad this year (due to lots of retirements and new officials). Well that means it was better before…and, there was an officiating union before too. So it ain’t the problem.

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    Driving The 101 With Sean McVay: On Texting Belichick, Trusting Goff and the Plan for Super Bowl 53

    FMIA—Driving The 101 With Sean McVay: On Texting Belichick, Trusting Goff and the Plan for Super Bowl 53

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    ENCINO, Calif. — Sean McVay said he’d be leaving his home for work Saturday at 4:15 a.m., Insane Standard Time. But there he was, on Coughlin Time, at 4:10, opening his Range Rover driver-side door in this silent neighborhood in the hills north of Los Angeles.

    “I felt bad about you waiting out here,” said McVay, perky even two hours before dawn.

    Truth is, I had no idea if he’d be on time or a half-hour early for our date, a ride to his office on the last day of Super Bowl LIII preparation at the Rams’ home base. So I got to his place at 3:30 and waited. McVay, about to be the youngest coach in Super Bowl history (he turned 33 last Thursday), is so excited about his job, it’s hard for him to sleep. On this night, he got about four-and-a-half hours. “I gotta do better,” he said. “Big week coming up.”

    For the Rams, Super Bowl week is a stunning culmination of the franchise turnaround executed by the energetic McVay. But it’s no time for McVay, exactly half Bill Belichick’s age, to turn all doe-eyed about the craziness of what he and the Rams (26-9 since he got the big gig) have done. Though he is gee-whiz about it all, and you’ll hear that, plenty, in the next few minutes, you could feel a more chip-on-his-shoulder McVay when I asked him, “How do you think you guys will play next week?”

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    Offensive lines key in Super Bowl for both Rams and Patriots

    https://kdminer.com/news/2019/jan/27/offensive-lines-key-super-bowl-both-rams-and-patri/

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    you definitely see more rans gear these days. even at the beginning of the season. there’s decent support here. not like what the lakers and dodgers get. but it was always going to take time.

    Whereabouts do you live?

    I used to live in Claremont. That meant I spent some time in LA…that’s when I first started following the Rams (77 or so).

    ….

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    Joe Curley@vcsjoecurley
    Rams PBP voice JB Long to the crowd: “Can you imagine a Super Bowl banner hanging in the stadium when it opens?”

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