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znModeratorICYMI: The Rams have 3 RFAs this year, and they're far tougher decisions than last year's. The cheapest tender is expected to be around $2.1M https://t.co/yc9kLFYIV0
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) February 24, 2020
znModeratorBernie’s #MedicareForAll would save about $450 billion per year: https://t.co/apzcrfDi57
If you’re Canadian, like I am, you should already get how that works.
— A Echo (@AEcho13) February 24, 2020
February 23, 2020 at 6:09 pm in reply to: Bernie went to Nevada to kick ass & chew gum & he’s all outta gum #111570
znModeratorFebruary 23, 2020 at 5:13 pm in reply to: tweets & stuff … 2/23 – 2/26 … w/ a lot of Hammond (added Tues.) #111565
znModeratorBack in STL for the @XFLBattleHawks game! Man the dome still brings back memories. I got chills walking on the field with the smell of football in the air! Long story short I appreciate the city that gave me my first start! #BackInTheLou pic.twitter.com/eaybIHOeIZ
— Rodger Saffold (@Rodger_Saffold) February 23, 2020
February 23, 2020 at 12:51 pm in reply to: tweets & stuff … 2/23 – 2/26 … w/ a lot of Hammond (added Tues.) #111562
znModerator"I knew he wasn’t in the end zone and I knew we had won the game."
Mike Jones breaks down The Tackle from Super Bowl XXXIV. pic.twitter.com/TjedQbZWrV
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) February 23, 2020
February 23, 2020 at 12:17 pm in reply to: tweets & stuff … 2/23 – 2/26 … w/ a lot of Hammond (added Tues.) #111561
znModeratorWe can slide either Austin Corbett or Coleman Shelton in at the Center position.
Right now those are roster names and that’s it IMO.
Blythe is an experienced NFL center. You or I have no idea whatsoever whether or not Corbett or Shelton can play NFL center.
And even if they can (and again we don’t have the first clue whether or not they can), they–and the OL–are better off sitting for a year behind Blythe.
February 23, 2020 at 10:43 am in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111558
znModeratorGlenn Greenwald@ggreenwald
With the Sanders surge, one MSNBC host – one of their highest-paid and most prominent ones – now positioning himself to back Trump’s re-election after 4 years of non-stop alarmism about Trump the fascist dictator Russian puppet posing an existential threat to US democracy:February 23, 2020 at 10:26 am in reply to: “You want the government to pay for everyone’s healthcare” #111557
znModeratorManda Rose*NerdGirl* Rose@Mrs_Slinky
Can you imagine getting your feelings hurt by being called a fucking centrist, but thinking poor people don’t deserve healthcare or living wages.I guess being poor gave me some pretty thick skin, cause woooo boy
Rose mousdrvr@mousdrvr
Stop callings us centrists it’s an insult!Ok, how about “moderate”?
No that implies we’re not progressive!
But ..
Shut up! You’re just too far left!
Raaight, so that would make you …..
Shut up!
CEOs for Bernie Man@LiberalCEO
Why is this the only primary I’ve lived through where nobody drops out after they lose 3 states in a row?
znModeratorIf you say you’ll move to Canada if Trump wins re-election…but you refuse to vote for Bernie because of his support for single-payer healthcare…boy are you gonna be surprised when you get north of the border.
— Nathaniel Stinnett (@NCStinn) February 23, 2020
February 23, 2020 at 10:09 am in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111555
znModeratorCNN analyst spins a fantasy of Bloomberg clubbing Bernie in gory detail…with a “spiked club” to “go medieval” on him.
Just in case you need a receipt of “uncivil” discourse for the tone police 🚨 pic.twitter.com/v23h1ane9i
— Brook Hines 🔥 power to the people (@nashville_brook) February 23, 2020
znModeratorDick84
Rich Hammond’s article on The Athletic really went into what McVay’s mindset seems to be, moving forward. When I read what McVay said, and look at the decisions McVay is making, it seems clear to me that McVay believes the biggest issues in 19 had to do with coaching. He’s not giving lip service when he says it’s on him and he’s moving to address those issues. That’s coming from his words AND his actions. He’s only spending a limited time at the combine and wants to work with coaches.
This tells me a couple of things.
-He’s developed a trust and communication level with Snead and the college scouting staff that he feels good trusting them with most of the lifting when it comes to the draft. He’ll, of course, be in on final decisions, but he trusts them to narrow the pool of candidates. Based on the success of the last few drafts, this makes sense to me.
-He really believes that scheme issues played a huge factor in the Rams lack of success last year, both on offense and defense.
-He really believes he needs to devote as much time as possible, right now, to evaluating the players *currently* on the roster with the coordinators and coaches to see what’s needed. He wants to really “be in touch” with everyone and everything going on.
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February 22, 2020 at 11:31 pm in reply to: Bernie went to Nevada to kick ass & chew gum & he’s all outta gum #111548
znModeratorBill de Blasio@BilldeBlasio
Listen to what @JoyAnnReid just said about a Republican consultant privately admitting to her what it would be like to take on @BernieSanders: “All things considered, I’d rather not run against a movement.” 2016 taught us: we only win by moving the people + rejecting the elites!
znModeratorWe know the health insurance industry & its lobbyists won’t quit trying to scare the public. But politicians who parrot their talking points do so at their own peril. It's now clear: Medicare For All is *the* winning position in the 2020 Dem primary. And opposing it is not. (5/5) pic.twitter.com/Ekwd5p8V2V
— Wendell Potter (@wendellpotter) February 23, 2020
znModeratorAmerican healthcare system: higher cost for worse outcomes.
Group that supports keeping it as is:
Health insurance industry
Overpaid medical practitioners
Pharma companiesNo other advanced economy follows the US system.
ALL have lower costs, and better healthcare outcomes pic.twitter.com/YIUMPL7O5r— Anil (@anilvohra69) February 22, 2020
February 22, 2020 at 10:24 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111543
znModeratorjosh@josh_fbi
it seems bernie has lost that most beloved demographic, vastly overpaid media assholes who know nothing and whom everyone hatesLinda Sarsour@lsarsour
It’s like everyone wants more young people to vote, working class folks, immigrant communities and then when they do their choice is questioned. Unless those groups vote the establishment choices, somehow they are uninformed & making the wrong decision. 🤦🏻♀️Glenn Greenwald@ggreenwald
All the anti-Sanders op-eds, the endorsements against him, the warnings from party leaders, the dirty ads from DC groups, the CIA leaks.None of it matters. They no longer have power. And they know it. That’s why they’re freaking out.
Their last hope: beg Bloomberg to stop this
February 22, 2020 at 10:03 pm in reply to: the one-shot tweets thread (diff'rent stuff, funny angry interesting) #111542
znModeratorThis guy has absolutely zero quit in him 👊
(via @lwproductions4) pic.twitter.com/0jaxJJKG3s
— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) February 22, 2020
February 22, 2020 at 9:55 pm in reply to: Bernie went to Nevada to kick ass & chew gum & he’s all outta gum #111540
znModeratorPolitical Polls@PpollingNumbers
FOR THE FIRST TIME:
A (Dem or GOP) candidate (Sanders) has won the popular vote in all 3 early states: Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada.==
The Gravel Institute@GravelInstitute
Bernie Sanders won with whites and with Latinos. With voters with a college degree and without. He won voters ages 17-29, 30-44, and 45 to 65. He won with men and with women. And he won at all the Culinary Union caucuses.It’s called a winning coalition.
February 22, 2020 at 9:23 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111539
znModeratorFabiana Jung@JungFabiana
There is a white lady on MSNBC right now suggesting that Latinos are voting for Bernie because the pro-Bernie kids in the family are manipulating their parents who can’t speak English. #NevadaCaucus==
James Carville says the big winner in Nevada is Putin pic.twitter.com/KV2TjpNiCD
— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) February 22, 2020
Very disturbing watching @MSNBC’s Brian Williams talking about the Democratic establishment “killing” @BernieSanders. This network is worse than Fox News now. #NotMeUs pic.twitter.com/fcmLNrpWk2
— 🌹 Clark Feels The Bern (@Clarknt67) February 22, 2020
Nobody likes their health insurance provider.
Nobody likes Democratic leadership.
Why does almost no one on cable TV understand this?
— John Iadarola (@johniadarola) February 22, 2020
February 22, 2020 at 8:38 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111538
znModeratorFor once, I'm not being sarcastic here. I'm dead serious.
I'm really, really insulted by a major pundit on an allegedly liberal news network comparing a Jewish candidate's overwhelming caucus victory to the French losing a battle with the Nazis.
Get this lunatic off the air. https://t.co/HZXWl3ceS7
— Alex Kotch (@alexkotch) February 22, 2020
znModeratorGeoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
The same mistake teams continue to make with OL. Draft the unpolished athlete at OL and hope he develops with 20 padded practices before week 1
znModeratorJohn Clayton@JohnClaytonNFL
You sure get the feeling the players are going to vote down the the new CBA agreement. Not enough support for 17 games.Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
This notion that if Players don’t take this deal they’ll be locked out in 13 months is more spin. The owners need labor peace to negotiate new media deals. That’s not changing.Charles Robinson@CharlesRobinson
Part of this CBA push is #NFL owners eying the economy + TV ratings. #NFL owners see a perfect storm right now. Economy & ratings are strong. The fear is what does the landscape look like in a year? If a recession is triggered within 12 months, TV deals could change dramatically.Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
Going back to the NFL for one last negotiation feels like the best option before putting the current proposal to a vote.Andrew Brandt@AndrewBrandt
What, exactly, is the risk in the NFLPA trying to get a better deal? That the NFL shuts down negotiations for 13 months while it tries to sell the networks on labor peace? Good luck with that.Darren Rovell@darrenrovell
It’s not money in their pockets, so it’s hard to realize its impact now, but the biggest thing NFL players need to negotiate for is this: Lifetime Medical Coverage.Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
I’m in full agreement here. But we’d need to sit out an entire season to get them to agree to this.
znModeratorFour reasons the NFL’s CBA proposal is bad for the players
If you’re a football fan, you’ve probably read about ongoing negotiations on a new CBA between the NFLPA, which the union representing the players, and management council, which represents the 32 NFL owners.
The NFL’s current collective bargaining agreement expires after the 2020 season, but negotiations have been ongoing this offseason.
The NFLPA executive committee voted 6-5 to not recommend the current proposal to the members, so negotiations continue.
The complete proposal hasn’t been made available to the public, but enough details have leaked over the last two days to get some sense of what’s included.
The NFLPA released this fact sheet outlining key points in the CBA proposal.
And there are a lot of positives for the players. It expands pension eligibility and improves insurance benefits for retired players and raises minimum salaries, eases drug testing and reduces fines.
All good.
But there are plenty of red flags, enough that numerous high-profile players have been tweeting against the proposal.
Here are four reasons the deal as currently proposed is a bad one for the players:
1. The proposal calls for a 17-game regular-season schedule while also calling for an increase in player revenue from the current 47 to 48.5 percent. That’s about a 3.1 percent revenue increase for a 6.3 increase in games played. How is that fair? The owners are going to be raking in massive TV revenue increases, especially with the expanded playoff schedule, but the players won’t be receiving an equivalent share of that money.
2. All players under contract when the league goes to a 17-game schedule — presumably in 2021 — will be paid only $250,000 more for that 17th game game. So anybody with a base salary over $4.25 million in 2021 will essentially be taking a pay cut. The Eagles have 10 players with 2021 base salaries of at least $5 million. Carson Wentz is on the books at $15.4 million. That’s $905,882 per week based on a 17-week schedule. So his weekly salary would go down to $869,440. That’s a $36,000 pay CUT per week. He’ll essentially be making less money per week. Now multiple that pay cut by several hundred players. The NFL will be raking in billions more dollars by increasing the regular season from 256 games to 272 – and eventually more with expansion – and increasing the postseason from 11 games to 13. While essentially asking the players to earn less per week.
3. The proposal does shorten the preseason from four games to three, but there is apparently no second bye week included. So the players are being asked to play 17 regular-season games in an 18-week span in an era where the NFL loves blabbing about player safety. Add to that the likelihood of increased international travel and the wear and tear that takes on a player as the league explores more and more international games. This is just pure greed on the NFL’s part. It’s clear that everything the league says about player safety is just lip service if they are so desperate to add a 17th regular-season game in an era with increased focus on concussions, injuries and player health after football.
4. The NFL is way too eager to get a deal done now when the current CBA doesn’t expire for another year. It definitely benefits both sides to have a deal hammered out and guarantee labor peace for a decade. But you just get the feeling the owners want to get this done before the NFLPA really has a chance to digest the full proposal and its long-term financial implications for the players. The owners over the last few days have embarked on a carefully strategized PR campaign to make this proposal seem like a good one for the players and try to rush a vote through before everybody knew what the implications were. Nobody wants a strike. Nobody wants a lockout. But the players are what makes the league work. Without them there is no NFL. They deserve more than what this CBA proposal calls for.
znModeratorWeek 2, 1970 #LARams #Falcons @RGabriel4HOF 15-29-144
Berry 15-22-301-1-1
Ellison 19-138-1 4-27
Cannonball Butler 19-48 2-30-1 pic.twitter.com/h8vvFL6E5C— Old Time Football 🏈 (@Ol_TimeFootball) February 22, 2020
znModeratorNFL promotes 'player safety' …but players should risk brain & body for a max of $250K for a 17th game?
Ok… sure… owners should only make $250K as well, the rest of the profits should go toward lifetime health care for the players and the of funding post career benefits.
— Rich Ohrnberger (@ohrnberger) February 21, 2020
znModeratorThe NFL’s motivation behind its push for a 17-game schedule is obvious, especially considering nobody (not even the fans) is asking for regular-season expansion. If the league can tout 17 games as opposed to 16 games in its upcoming negotiations with potential broadcast rights holders, it can and will charge more for those rights.
Yes, the players would earn a game check for that 17th regular-season contest, but the terms of the proposed CBA reportedly would limit that check to $250,000 per player, a laughable deal to the many players who make more per game. Yet, according to the sentiments expressed by Richard Sherman almost a month ago, the players’ pushback against the idea of a 17-game schedule is rooted deeper than compensation.
“I don’t think it’s something that players are interested in, honestly. And if that’s the point they’re negotiating on, I think these negotiations are going to go on a lot longer than anticipated.
“It’s odd to me — and it’s always odd — when you hear player safety as their biggest concern. They’re really standing up for player safety, player safety, player safety. But it seems like player safety has a price tag. Player safety up to the point of, ‘Hey, 17 games makes us this much money. So we really don’t care how safe they are, if you’re going to pay us this much money to play another game.’
“That’s the part that’s really concerning for us as a union and us as players, because they think that players have a price tag on their health. And I don’t think we’re in the same ballpark in that regard. Players have been more aware of player safety and longevity and just life after football. And the league kind of pretends that they’re interested in it, pretends that they care about it, makes all these rules and fines all these players, but then still proposes for players to play an extra game.
“And not just 17. They’re really just saying 17 so they can get to 18. So that’s two more opportunities for players to risk their bodies and put their bodies on the line. That’s what’s so ridiculous about it, and nobody calls them out. Nobody calls out the hypocrisy.
“I’m hoping that one day people will be brave enough to call out the hypocrisy of saying, ‘Hey we really care about player safety, but hey we also want you to play an extra game, put your body on the line and risk your career.’”
What’s the main sticking point?
Put simply, the players don’t want to play 17 games. They feel it’s asking too much in a sport that is already ridiculously tough on their health and safety. Sources close to the situation said the reason the NFLPA executive council voted to not recommend the deal was because of concerns some of its members still have over the idea of an expanded regular season and doubts some of them have over the owners’ projections for how much more revenue it would generate.
The meeting in Indianapolis between the two sides is likely to address these issues directly, possibly giving members of the board of player reps a chance to hear the owners’ side of the issue. It’s unlikely that vocally anti-17-game executive council members like Richard Sherman and Russell Okung will be convinced, but it’s possible that meeting could help convince enough player reps to vote in favor of the proposal.
It should worry the players that the NFL owners want this deal done so badly.
If the owners are so willing to do this deal now, almost a full year before it’s necessary and several weeks before the start of the new league year, what is the reason and what are they gaining from this new CBA?
The NFL owners want a CBA done ASAP so they can start negotiating new TV and streaming deals. That’s where the bulk of the revenue is generated, and with an additional few weeks and two more playoff games, the NFL can name its price for its rights.
On top of that, if an agreement can’t be reached, it could lead to a lockout next offseason. That would leave a bad taste in the mouth of consumers, who have driven NFL ratings and profits up over the last two years of the current CBA deal.
Lastly, tucked away in the bullet points of that deal is a vague mention of gambling:
Gambling definitions that ensures money is included in players’ definition of All Revenue, including portions of non-football activities
That will explode the revenue of the league. This needs to be more defined, but it adds to the reason the NFL wants this done now.
znModeratorLMU93
Overt at OverTheCap.com playing around with salary cap and some scenarios. Assuming Whitworth comes back at something close to $10M I have a pretty hard time seeing any of the three defensive starters (Littleton, Fowler, Brockers) returning.
This is after:
– restructuring Goff
– extending AW for one year, $9.5M
– extending Christian and Blythe for two years each
– extending Zuerlein for one year
– trading Havenstein and Everett
– releasing Malcolm Brown
– RFA tenders for Mundt, Fox and DeayonAfter these moves and with a rookie draft pool estimate of $4.4M they’d have roughly $14.5M left. Maybe Deayon and/or Fox are not tendered but that $2-4M tacked back on still won’t allow them to keep Littleton and sign a couple other bargain FAs. It could, though, let them sign a FA left guard in the $5-7M range and maybe an edge guy in that same range.
znModeratorCameron DaSilva: https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/22/nfl-rams-mailbag-questions-trade-rumors/
Who is key free agents you feel Rams will resign and why ? Littleton to me is a must !
I think the Rams will bring back Andrew Whitworth and Cory Littleton. Dante Fowler Jr. is going to command around $17 million per year on the market and probably price himself out of the Rams’ range.
Austin Blythe should be back, too, and I think there’s enough of a mutual respect between the Rams and Michael Brockers to get a deal done at a reasonable cost.
znModeratorLMU93
Overt at OverTheCap.com playing around with salary cap and some scenarios. Assuming Whitworth comes back at something close to $10M I have a pretty hard time seeing any of the three defensive starters (Littleton, Fowler, Brockers) returning.
This is after:
– restructuring Goff
– extending AW for one year, $9.5M
– extending Christian and Blythe for two years each
– extending Zuerlein for one year
– trading Havenstein and Everett
– releasing Malcolm Brown
– RFA tenders for Mundt, Fox and DeayonAfter these moves and with a rookie draft pool estimate of $4.4M they’d have roughly $14.5M left. Maybe Deayon and/or Fox are not tendered but that $2-4M tacked back on still won’t allow them to keep Littleton and sign a couple other bargain FAs. It could, though, let them sign a FA left guard in the $5-7M range and maybe an edge guy in that same range.
znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer
I would not consider ratification of this CBA proposal a fait accompli. It has strong, influential detractors in the player ranks.The players’ leverage is the owners’ desire to get going on the TV deals. And certain guys realize that. The owners may be willing to quit on negotiating with the players. They won’t quit on TV talks.
Anyway … I think with the CBA stuff where it is now, it underscores a) how important the TV deals are to everything and b) how impactful exec comm guys (who voted NOT to recommend the owners’ CBA proposal today) can be.
Big days ahead.
znModeratorDan Graziano@DanGrazianoESPN
Players had tried to eliminate the NFL’s “funding rule” in this deal. The proposal doesn’t do that, but it does weaken the rule somewhat.The rule, which dates back to the early days of the league when there was some doubt about teams making payroll, requires all teams to hold in escrow any amount of guaranteed money over $2 million in a player contract.
For example: If you get a $50 million contract with $25 million guaranteed, the team has to hold $23 million in escrow, ostensibly so you can be certain it will pay you.
The new CBA would raise the funding rule threshold to $15 million in the first year of the deal and $17 million in 2029, the final year of the deal. So in that earlier example, in 2020, the team would only have to hold $10 million of the $25 million guarantee in escrow.
It wasn’t designed to help players, but to ensure that teams stayed afloat in the league’s early days. No longer a concern, obviously.
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