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znModeratorNFL casual fans:
JaReD gOFF sucksUninformed Rams Fans:
wHaTs wRoNg WiTh JaReD gOFF?2018 – 13 drops
2019 – 27 drops2018 – 151 blitzed
2019 – 219 blitzedThe entire offense under performed
— Alvin L (@alfsbones) July 8, 2020
znModeratorJordan Rabinowitz@JordanRab
So, about DeSean Jackson.There are many American Jews, mostly of my parents’ generation but some younger, who are currently struggling to reconcile both having white privilege *and* belonging to a group of historically oppressed and marginalized people.
It can be hard to accept that privilege when your parents or grandparents escaped the hell of the Holocaust or pogroms to reach America, only to be treated as second-class citizens.
“How do *I* have privilege?”
I hope the anger they likely feel about DeSean Jackson (mis)quoting Hitler — and I’m mad as hell about it — helps them better understand the anger Black Americans feel almost constantly.
I don’t think Jackson thinks he’s an anti-Semite. But he and others have perpetuated anti-Semitic rhetoric because our education system never taught them better. It’s the same system that taught us that Columbus was a hero, or that didn’t teach us about Tulsa at all.
Anti-Semitism is a scourge, but it is not an institutionalized evil like racism. I don’t have to worry how my Judaism will affect how police view me. I have the luxury of hiding it from people who might harm me if they knew I was Jewish.
Anti-Semitism is REAL and Jackson (and so, so many others) need to do the work. But plenty of the same Jews admonishing him likely have some work to do as well.
znModeratorHospitalizations are a leading indicator, deaths are a lagging indicator. What’s happening in Texas is not bolstering the “fewer deaths” narrative. https://t.co/wjJNyhdYdq
— Jane McManus (@janesports) July 7, 2020
znModeratorfrom https://www.therams.com/news/brandon-staley-building-around-aaron-donald-jalen-ramsey
Staley knows the best way to put Donald in a position to succeed, and in turn the defense as a whole, is to take as much attention away from him as possible. Thus, as he shapes his approach to Los Angeles’ defense, one of his main goals will be just that.
“We want to make sure we can get him as many isolations as possible,” Staley said during a May video conference. “If we can get Aaron to play against one person as opposed to two, then our odds of being successful go through the roof.”
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“As far as the defense, I can’t tell you if I love it or not because I didn’t actually go on the grass and do anything yet,” Donald said during a May video conference. “But as far as the scheme of things and the way he’s going about it, trying to do certain things and the different installs we’ve been getting thus far, I’m definitely starting to like it a lot. I’m anxious to actually get on the grass and get to play and see how this thing plays out.”
znModeratorMohamad Safa@mhdksafa
The man who laughed at me for wearing a mask at the grocery store, just arrived for his job interview with me and wearing a mask! I love Karma!!!
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July 7, 2020 at 7:57 pm in reply to: head coach most valuable traits? (includes Goff’s take) … + ranking the HCss #117686
znModerator6. SEAN MCVAY — LOS ANGELES RAMS
CBS’ take: For as much criticism as Sean McVay took after a disappointing 2019 season, it’s important to put that disappointing season in context. McVay, hired at the age of 30, went 24-8 in his first two seasons with two playoff appearances and a trip to the Super Bowl. His disappointing 2019 season still included nine wins, which means his record after three seasons is 33-15, which means his winning percentage is 68.8.
247Sports’ take: The Rams’ 2019 season was not what anyone expected, but don’t let it overshadow the two previous years. Los Angeles won the NFC West in both of McVay’s first two seasons and won 11 or more games in both of those seasons. McVay has posted a career record of 35-17 in just three seasons and won the NFC Championship in his second season. He’s just getting started, really.
July 7, 2020 at 7:49 pm in reply to: head coach most valuable traits? (includes Goff’s take) … + ranking the HCss #117684
znModeratorNFL’S BEST COACHES 2020
Patrick Daugherty
https://www.rotoworld.com/article/goal-line-stand/nfls-best-coaches-2020
Five of the NFL’s 32 head coaches have spent time on Andy Reid’s staff. That number is four for Bill Belichick, though it balloons to six if you include his former players Mike Vrabel and Kliff Kingsbury. If you count Reid and Belichick themselves, 13 of the league’s 32 bosses can be linked to just two trees. For all that imitation, Reid and Belichick own the past four AFC Championships, and three of the past four Super Bowls. The fourth was won by Reid disciple Doug Pederson. It would seem there is a clear takeaway: To win in the NFL, it is better to set trends than follow them.
Two men who have followed that advice are Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, Reid and Belichick’s past two Super Bowl victims. They offer hope that, maybe one day, someone else might lead this list. As for now, Belichick and Reid remain without peer. As I say every year, players, owners, assistants, injuries and acts of God can matter as much as coaching acumen. That’s why, though this is a rankings article, I try not to think of it that way. I view it as more of a compendium, an assessment of where the league’s 32 coaches find themselves right now. How they got here and where they might be going. Last year’s list can be found here. 2018’s is here.
1. Bill Belichick
Career Record: 273-127 (.683)
With The Patriots Since: 2000
Last Year’s Ranking: 1The inclination will be to turn 2020 into a referendum on the great Pats debate: Tom Brady or Bill Belichick? I won’t indulge. It’s unknowable, and it doesn’t matter. That doesn’t mean we can’t acknowledge the “post-Brady” wonders Belichick has already worked. With his aging quarterback saddled with an underwhelming supporting cast, 2019 Belichick oversaw a defense that allowed a league-low 225 points. Never in New England had the NFL’s greatest mind surrendered so few points. That formed the backbone of Belichick’s 10th straight 11-win campaign, and 16th in 20 years. That includes 2008, when a torn ACL limited Brady to 11 attempts. We already know Belichick is going to keep on winning. That doesn’t say anything about Brady, who is probably the best to ever do it. It just means that a Lennon found a McCartney. It’s not an either/or. It’s both, but the nature of Belichick’s position means he will get to keep doing it longer than his former quarterback, putting his records further out of reach and adding more glorious chapters to an already incomparable career.
2. Andy Reid
Career Record: 207-128-1 (.618)
With The Chiefs Since: 2013
Last Year’s Ranking: 2We didn’t need a Super Bowl to tell us Andy Reid’s place in the pantheon. He is the second best coach of his generation, and one of the greatest of all time. We got a Lombardi anyways, forever inoculating Reid against “he never won the big one” caveats while validating two decades of precise, innovative football. Reid has won at least nine games each of his seven seasons with the Chiefs, averaging 11. He has made the playoffs 15-of-21 years as a head coach, doing so with such disparate quarterbacks as Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes. In a copycat league, Reid has always been a trendsetter. 62-year-old Reid’s résumé is now complete, but his tutelage of 24-year-old Mahomes means the Super Bowls could just be getting started.
3. Sean Payton
Career Record: 131-77 (.630)
With The Saints Since: 2006
Last Year’s Ranking: 6Remember Sean Payton trade rumors? They seem funny now as Payton basks in his second Saints wind, but they were often fueled by the man himself. Payton had seemed to reach the limits of what he could accomplish with record-breaking quarterback Drew Brees. The duo lit up scoreboards and stuffed stat sheets but couldn’t keep the other team out of the end zone. Payton appeared hungry for a change of scenery. He got it in the form of the Saints’ already-legendary 2017 draft class, which has revitalized both coach and team to three straight 11-win campaigns, including 13 each of the past two years. It hasn’t simply been the case of an old dog doing his usual tricks. After a decade of passing pyrotechnics, Payton rediscovered his preferred balance on offense, using two-back attacks to set up Brees’ unparalleled efficiency. Frustration has been found in the playoffs, though Payton has quietly become the 27th winningest coach in NFL history, with the 21st best winning percentage. Only Bill Belichick, Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin have more victories amongst current sideline bosses. Payton can sidetrack himself — hello, Taysom Hill — but his reinvigorated pursuit of a second Lombardi is not about to run out of steam.
4. John Harbaugh
Career Record: 118-74 (.615)
With The Ravens Since: 2008
Last Year’s Ranking: 8John Harbaugh has been the Ravens’ coach for 12 seasons. In Year 1, he reached the AFC Championship Game. In Year 5, he won the Super Bowl. In Year 12, he notched a career-best 14 victories. Harbaugh’s accomplishments have come in the hyper-competitive AFC North, most of them with statuesque quarterback Joe Flacco. Harbaugh’s seat has gotten hot once or twice over the years, most recently in 2018. His coolant arrived in the form of Lamar Jackson, a rare young talent, but one who necessitated a complete overhaul of the Ravens’ substance and style on offense. That is not the sort of change most NFL coaches are willing to make, let alone in Year 11. Harbaugh did it in the middle of the season, saving his job and pointing the Ravens back toward a bright future. “If you don’t like change, you’re gonna like irrelevancy even less,” has become one of Harbaugh’s mantras. That is manifested in his embrace of analytics. You are not going to become an old NFL dog without learning new tricks. Harbaugh got the memo and has put himself in excellent position to become just the 14th head coach to win multiple Super Bowls.
5. Doug Pederson
Career Record: 38-26 (.594)
With The Eagles Since: 2016
Last Year’s Ranking: 4Doug Pederson quickly gained a reputation as the league’s analytics prince, but his recent seasons have been more MacGyver than mathematics. If you need to win a playoff game with your backup quarterback, Pederson is your man. A 4-0 finish to steal the division after starting 5-7? Pederson will get it done. Craving normalcy? Pederson hasn’t really had it since Carson Wentz’s 2017 ACL tear. That’s when things got weird and have stayed so. A huge part of it has been personnel. The Eagles routinely don’t have it in the secondary, while the injuries got so bad on offense last year that “Greg Ward” spent time as the No. 1 receiver. Pederson continues to make lemonade out of lemons, which can obscure his continued devotion to cold, hard logic. Even at 9-7, the Eagles remained one of the league’s most efficient offenses last season, as well as one of the most aggressive on fourth down. Pederson knows what he’s doing, and it will look even better if his team can get just a little bit healthier with a little bit better roster.
6. Mike Tomlin
Career Record: 133-74-1 (.642)
With The Steelers Since: 2007
Last Year’s Ranking: 7The Steelers have only three playoff victories since their defeat in Super Bowl XLV in 2011. They are coming off an 8-8 campaign. So why has Mike Tomlin’s value never been clearer? “(Coach Tomlin) straight up went high school football coach and drew up how we were going to defend Cleveland,“ an anonymous player told ESPN’s Dianna Russini after the Steelers’ Week 13 win over the Browns. “He saved the game.” Let’s not make too much of that. It was simply Tomlin doing his job. But that’s what he did all year after Ben Roethlisberger went down in Week 1. Essentially playing without a quarterback, Tomlin rallied his team to an 8-8 finish. Amongst their defeats were a two-pointer to the 11-5 Seahawks, a four-pointer to the NFC champion 49ers and a three-pointer to the 14-2 Ravens. Six of their eight losses were to playoff clubs. Again, this was with Mason Rudolph and “Devlin Hodges” under center. Tomlin did everything he could to keep his overmatched squad in the hunt until they collapsed to three straight losses after an improbable 8-5 start. Tomlin should have more playoff victories. The same is true of every other long-term coach not named Bill Belichick.
7. Sean McVay
Career Record: 33-15 (.688)
With The Rams Since: 2017
Last Year’s Ranking: 3The key to Sean McVay’s success as a play-caller has been his manipulations of Jared Goff. With the offensive line in disarray and Todd Gurley looking like a shell of his former self, it was much more difficult in 2019. Increased pressure had Goff running for the hills, and Gurley was not an effective safety valve. In the context of that offensive dysfunction, 9-7 was almost impressive. There remains zero doubt about McVay’s ability to scheme offense. The question has become if he’s biting off more than he can chew in other areas. Les Snead is the general manager, but McVay’s fingerprints are all over the team’s hyper-aggressive moves in the trade market. The Rams now have an over-leveraged roster and a shortage of draft picks to fix last year’s issues. McVay has also parted ways with war horse DC Wade Phillips in favor of obscure 37-year-old Brandon Staley. McVay is doubling down on his McVay-ness. Long term, McVay remains a strong bet. He is one of the NFL’s best coaches with obvious room to grow. Short term, McVay might have to work through some growing pains before getting back to the Super Bowl.
8. Kyle Shanahan
Career Record: 23-25 (.479)
With The 49ers Since: 2017
Last Year’s Ranking: 15Kyle Shanahan’s quarterback finally got healthy, but that is not the reason he reached his first Super Bowl as head coach. The key to Shanahan’s 2019 was trust in his key lieutenants coming to fruition. Robert Saleh on defense. John Lynch in the front office. As they did their thing, Shanahan did his, deploying a lethal rushing onslaught despite lacking anything resembling a true lead back. Shanahan ground his opponents into dust with the running game while picking his spots with an uneven passing attack. That’s what makes the 49ers’ 2019 so promising. Shanahan wasn’t undermanned only in the backfield, but also the receiver corps. This was not an offense overflowing with weapons or excellent individual performances. It was Shanahan making the whole greater than the sum of its parts. It’s the trait that separates exceptional coaches from ordinary ones. Leaning on scheme instead of talent isn’t the easiest way to make an NFL living, but Shanahan has now proven both as an assistant and head coach that he has the right Super Bowl stuff.
9. Pete Carroll
Career Record: 133-90-1 (.596)
With The Seahawks Since: 2010
Last Year’s Ranking: 5Pete Carroll has stacked up victories everywhere he’s been. Now it’s become a vision quest for the league’s oldest coach, who must not only win, but do it his way. That means running the ball — come hell or high water — despite having one of the most efficient, explosive quarterbacks of the 21st century. Russell Wilson has been reduced to openly begging for a more aerial, up-tempo offense, but there is little reason to expect 68-year-old Carroll to change his ways as he chases his platonic ideal of football. For all the internet fuss, the results have remained strong. The Seahawks have averaged 10 wins in six seasons since their Super Bowl triumph, never posting fewer than nine. It’s just impossible not to think that Carroll could have it even better if he stopped handicapping his offense. Wilson is a nuclear weapon at quarterback. The Seahawks have to stop employing him like a WWI-era dogfighter. Carroll is not only one of the greatest coaches in NFL history, but football history. Nothing between now and retirement will change that. It would still be nice to see him go down swinging instead of running.
10. Mike Zimmer
Career Record: 57-38-1 (.599)
With The Vikings Since: 2014
Last Year’s Ranking: 9Mike Zimmer’s stone age 2019 football produced a playoff victory and head-coaching gig for OC Kevin Stefanski. If you are going to insist on establishing the run, that’s not a bad outcome. Another good outcome was having Gary Kubiak at the ready to replace Stefanski. Kubiak will continue to pound the rock and complement it with a devastating play-action attack, playing into both Zimmer’s wishes and Kirk Cousins’ strengths. Defensive-minded Zimmer takes care of his side of the ball. That’s a huge bar for any head coach to clear. The next step is finding the right stewards for the unit you don’t coordinate, and Zimmer has done so in Kubiak, Cousins and Dalvin Cook. Kubiak’s old school mentality makes for easy jokes on Twitter, but it also has him in excellent position for his fourth playoff appearance in seven years.
znModeratorConservative media: "we shouldn't have to wear masks"
Liberal media: "it's so embarrassing that we aren't even allowed to travel to Europe"
Millions of people: https://t.co/as1inmxAHd— Kate Willett (@katewillett) July 7, 2020
znModeratorAlexis Kraft@TheAlexisKraft
As someone who is of Jewish heritage, I think we should forgive DeSean Jackson. He did not know what he was saying, and even if he did, forgiveness is an attribute of the strong; and the Jewish people have always been strong, through everything thrown their way. Forgive him.Max Holt@max_holt14
yeah of course we should forgive him but it shouldn’t get swept under the rug and let go without any repercussions. Anti semitism along with any prejudice or discrimination is never okAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer
I’m sorry, but if a 33-year-old doesn’t know the implications of invoking Adolf Hitler’s name, and pulling a quote like this (whether it’s properly attributed or not), all of that is 100 percent on them.
znModeratorfrom Coronavirus herd immunity may be ‘unachievable’ because antibodies disappear after a few weeks in some people
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from COVID-19: Trying for herd immunity without vaccine ‘unethical’ and ‘unachievable
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from https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01989-z
What’s the nature of immunity and how long does it last?
Immunologists are working feverishly to determine what immunity to SARS-CoV-2 could look like, and how long it might last. Much of the effort has focused on ‘neutralizing antibodies’, which bind to viral proteins and directly prevent infection. Studies have found that levels of neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 remain high for a few weeks after infection, but then typically begin to wane.
However, these antibodies might linger at high levels for longer in people who had particularly severe infections. “The more virus, the more antibodies, and the longer they will last,” says immunologist George Kassiotis of the Francis Crick Institute in London. Similar patterns have been seen with other viral infections, including SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome). Most people who had SARS lost their neutralizing antibodies after the first few years. But those who had it really severely still had antibodies when re-tested 12 years later, says Kassiotis.
Researchers don’t yet know what level of neutralizing antibodies is needed to fight off reinfection by SARS-CoV-2, or at least to reduce COVID-19 symptoms in a second illness. And other antibodies might be important for immunity. Virologist Andrés Finzi of the University of Montreal in Canada, for example, plans to study the role of antibodies that bind to infected cells and mark them for execution by immune cells — a process called antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity — in responses to SARS-CoV-2.
Ultimately, a full picture of SARS-CoV-2 immunity is likely to extend beyond antibodies. Other immune cells called T cells are important for long-term immunity, and studies suggest that they are also being called to arms by SARS-CoV-23. “People are equating antibody to immunity, but the immune system is such a wonderful machine,” says Finzi. “It is so much more complex than just antibodies alone.”
Because there is not yet a clear, measurable marker in the body that correlates with long-term immunity, researchers must piece together the patchwork of immune responses and compare it with responses to infections with other viruses to estimate how durable protection might be. Studies of other coronaviruses suggest that ‘sterilizing immunity’, which prevents infection, might last for only a matter of months. But protective immunity, which can prevent or ease symptoms, could last longer than that, says Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology in California.
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from Coronavirus: Immunity may be more widespread than tests suggest
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53248660#share-tools
Researchers at the Karolinksa Institute in Sweden tested 200 people for both antibodies and T-cells.
Some were blood donors while others were tracked down from the group of people first infected in Sweden, mainly returning from earlier affected areas like northern Italy.
This could mean a wider group have some level of immunity to Covid-19 than antibody testing figures, like those published as part of the UK Office for National Statistics Infection Survey, suggest.
It’s likely those people did mount an antibody response, but either it had faded or was not detectable by the current tests.
And these people should be protected if they are exposed to the virus for a second time.
Prof Danny Altmann at Imperial College London described the study as “robust, impressive and thorough” and said it added to a growing body of evidence that “antibody testing alone underestimates immunity”.
znModeratorEagles’ statement on DeSean Jackson: pic.twitter.com/IPDUYpTRTJ
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 7, 2020
znModeratorCoronavirus herd immunity may be ‘unachievable’ because antibodies disappear after a few weeks in some people
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from COVID-19: Trying for herd immunity without vaccine ‘unethical’ and ‘unachievable
A large epidemiological study published in the July 6, 2020, advance online issue of The Lancet found that most individuals who became infected with SARS-CoV-2 developed antibodies to the virus, confirming that infection usually results in at least a short-term immune response.
However, the results of antibody testing also showed that at least a third of SARS-CoV-2 infections were asymptomatic, and in some of those patients, the antibody response waned more quickly, potentially leaving them vulnerable to reinfection.
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Within Europe, Sweden’s attempt to achieve herd immunity via avoiding lockdowns for the general population has resulted in one of the highest per capita COVID-19 death rates of the world. But as of the end of April, around 7.4% of the Swedish population had antibodies to SARS-CoV-2.
In a commentary that was published along with the ENE-COVID study results, researchers at the University of Geneva’s Center for Emerging Viral Diseases wrote that “any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable.”
The authors of the study themselves made the same point. “Despite the high impact of COVID-19 in Spain” – which was the epicenter of the European outbreak after Lombardy, and has had the highest number of diagnosed cases of any country in the European Union – “prevalence estimates remain low and are clearly insufficient to provide herd immunity,” they wrote. Such herd immunity “cannot be achieved without accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems.”
znModeratorBREAKING: Donald Trump’s father “destroyed” him by short-circuiting his “ability to develop and experience the entire spectrum of human emotion,” Trump’s niece says in her new book, obtained by The Washington Post.
By @shaneharris @PostKranishhttps://t.co/Fhe7kGCJnT— Carol Leonnig (@CarolLeonnig) July 7, 2020
znModeratorI'm not sure what the Eagles will do, but I do not expect them to release him. https://t.co/YHUfEmEi6K
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) July 7, 2020
znModeratorThe Rams posted this on TikTok yesterday and i’m speechless… pic.twitter.com/WFSOqLeTap
— Goff’s ball boy (@thisishowiwin) July 7, 2020
znModeratorfrom A white Florida man who was filmed yelling at a Black homeowner while waving a BB gun also faked being a Navy SEAL for years, report says
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-florida-man-filmed-yelling-101251367.html
It also appears that Fucheck may have broken a state law by having a license plate designated for Purple Heart recipients.
In order to get that license plate, one has to submit military paperwork to the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.
Fucheck remains jailed on a charge of aggravated assault with prejudice. If convicted, he faces up to 15 years in prison.
znModeratorfrom Coronavirus herd immunity may be ‘unachievable’ because antibodies disappear after a few weeks in some people
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibodies-study-herd-immunity-unachievable-spain-2020-7
A major new study in one of Europe’s worst affected countries for the coronavirus finds no evidence of widespread immunity to the virus developing.
Just 5% of Spaniards were detected to have antibodies to the virus.
14% of people who previously tested positive for antibodies, tested negative just weeks later.
znModeratorfrom PFF–NFL offensive line rankings: All 32 units entering the 2020 NFL season
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-units-entering-the-2020-nfl-season
25. LOS ANGELES RAMS
No offensive line took as big of a step back as the Rams, a team that dropped from one of the league’s best to 31st during the 2019 regular season. They had eight linemen pass protect at least 250 times and only left tackle Andrew Whitworth put up a pass-blocking grade better than 61.6. Whitworth took a step back overall, grading at 72.8, his lowest since 2008. He remains as one of the better tackles in the league, and he’s been fantastic since joining the Rams, but he’ll turn 39 years old during the season.At right tackle, Rob Havenstein’s regression remains a mystery. He had four solid seasons under his belt, including an 83.6 overall grade that ranked seventh among tackles in 2018. Last season, however, he posted a 50.9 grade that ranked 81st out of 89 qualifiers. If the Rams are going to get back on track, it must start with Havenstein.
The interior of the line saw huge turnover last season as left guard Rodger Saffold and center John Sullivan needed to be replaced, but the youth movement has gotten off to a slow start. At left guard, Austin Corbett and Joseph Noteboom both saw significant snaps, with Corbett posting the better grade at 51.8, good for 71st among guards. Right guard Austin Blythe saw his grade drop from 73.4 (12th) to 50.3 (76th) last season, so much like Havenstein, a return to form is crucial for the Rams.
Center Brian Allen finished 26th among centers with a 58.6 grade, and his biggest issue was pass protection, where his 45.4 grade ranked 33rd out of 35 qualifiers. David Edwards should also be in the mix for playing time after posting a 61.0 grade on 689 snaps as a rookie while fellow 2019 draft pick Bobby Evans remains a developmental option after a 49.4 grade on 479 snaps at right tackle last season.
Development is the key word for the Rams as they’re rolling it back with last year’s 31st-ranked unit, but with five players all within their first three years in the league, Los Angeles is expecting improvement from at least a few of them.
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No changes to Rams’ O-line, but team optimistic about better results
Lindsey Thiry
The Los Angeles Rams’ coaching staff and roster underwent numerous changes throughout the offseason as star running back Todd Gurley was cut, receiver Brandin Cooks traded and three new coordinators arrived. But there was one group that went largely untouched: the offensive line.
After an uneven season, it was widely expected that the position group would be addressed in free agency, or more likely — because of salary-cap constraints — the NFL draft. But the lone addition came in the form of a seventh-round offensive guard.
Rams general manager Les Snead said he knew the lack of movement within the group would buck conventional thinking.
“We did go into [the draft] probably a little different than maybe the outside of our building where, ‘OK, hey, it’s a major, major glaring weakness,'” Snead said. “We felt confident that if we continue grooming and developing these players, they’d have a chance to become a really solid offensive line.”
Since Sean McVay joined the Rams as coach in 2017, the Rams have used six of 39 draft picks to select offensive linemen, all of whom remain on the roster. And all 13 linemen (including practice-squad players) from last season’s 9-7 team will return in 2020, including left tackle Andrew Whitworth — who signed a new three-year, $30 million contract — and guard/center Austin Blythe, who returns on a fresh one-year, $3.9 million deal.
“We know we have players that can play, but it’s about finding ways to get the best five on there,” McVay said. “Certain guys might have a little bit more position flex.”
After the Rams held a virtual offseason program amid the coronavirus pandemic, it remains uncertain who will make the starting five, and how they will line up.
Whitworth, who is entering his 15th season, will maintain his post at left tackle. After an unexpected decline in production last season, Rob Havenstein — who was sidelined after nine games because of a knee injury — is anticipated to return to right tackle. Blythe, a dependable starter at center and guard, also is expected to maintain a starting role.
“I’m still comfortable going back and forth,” Blythe said. “Wherever the team thinks that I can help the best or help the most is a position that I’ll play.”
Last season, the Rams’ line experienced instability previously unseen in McVay’s tenure as coach.
In 2017, the Rams started the same five linemen in 15 games (McVay did not play starters in Week 17). In 2018, the Rams started the same five linemen every game as they powered their way to a Super Bowl LIII appearance.
But last season, the offensive line shuffled through five different starting lineups because of injuries and fit issues.
As the Rams drew 118 penalties in 2019, which ranked 25th in the NFL, 42 of those penalties were committed by the offensive line — including 13 from Whitworth and eight from Havenstein.
The offensive line’s pass block win rate dropped from 74.3% in 2018 to 56.9% last season, according to ESPN metrics powered by NFL Next Gen Stats.
McVay and Snead have emphasized that the unanticipated injuries and growing pains last season could pay dividends in 2020.
“We’ve been adding those players and I’ve said it many a times,” Snead said. “Fortunately or unfortunately, a lot of them got to play last year.”
Whitworth emphasized the unit’s steady growth through the final seven games after the lineup stabilized.
“You really think about the inexperience we had up front and how little guys have played in football games,” said Whitworth, who played alongside four left guards during 2019. “To see where we finished the season offensively and really were able to build ourselves up.”
If optimism about the development of the offensive line pans out, the Rams’ biggest issue next season could be sorting which players will fill interior spots.
Guard Joe Noteboom and center Brian Allen, who started a combined 15 games in 2019, return from season-ending knee injuries. Guard David Edwards and tackle Bobby Evans — who both were thrust into starting roles as rookies — and guard Austin Corbett, who started seven games last season, also will compete for starting spots.
“We have a lot of guys who can play really good football,” Blythe said. “When you have guys go down to injury like we did last year, there are silver linings to all of it.”
znModeratorJoe Curley@vcsjoecurley
Ran into Joe Noteboom tonight at a driving range in Moorpark. He seemed optimistic about his ability to participate in training camp. The OL tore knee ligaments in the home loss to SF on Oct. 13.
znModeratorAfter attending a church coronavirus party with no face mask requirement, a 17 y.o. girl was given antibiotics, hydroxychloroquine & oxygen at home after falling ill 9 days later. Her parents declined intubation & she died in a Miami-Dade County hospital. https://t.co/Z5cOmCEqHh
— Woobie🌹Tuesday (@WoobieTuesday) July 7, 2020
znModeratorTarget, Walmart Pull Redskins Merchandise from Online Stores https://t.co/WsethYcCN6
— SportsRadio 610 (@SportsRadio610) July 7, 2020
znModeratorPlease enjoy these Orlando Pace highlights, which include him decimating this Rice DB 60 yards downfield 🥞https://t.co/aE6CPn1vgX pic.twitter.com/1pxgeVthvq
— Colton Denning (@Dubsco) July 6, 2020
znModerator6x Pro Bowler.
5x All Pro.
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znModeratorPatrick Mahomes signed a 10-year, $450 million extension that could be worth up to $503 million, per sources. The extension includes a $141.48 million injury guarantee, as well as a no-trade clause. It marks the first time an NFL player has had sports’ most lucrative deal. pic.twitter.com/kohX8rFSFN
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znModeratorYeah, we used to talk about a Thomas Frank collection of essays back in the 90s, called ‘Commodify Your Dissent.’
Thomas Frank
Here is it folks: populism and the people who hate it. The book has finally come lumbering off the production line and will be mailed on Bastille day. My first book ever with color illustrations. The perfect pandemic pastime.

znModeratorI didn’t really see the video guy doing that. But I can see how you see he sees things that way. I won’t add the final see, cuz I’m trying to limit my dad jokes these days.
I see.
(Yuck yuck).

znModeratorI may be misreading you . . . but being anticapitalist isn’t “anti small business.” At least not necessarily.
My major point is that social democracy is left by any appreciable definition but existing social democracies are mixed economies.
Just saying that the “left” umbrella is a big one and to me any adequate definition should be inclusive.
What I personally want to avoid is the clash of purists thing which as we all know haunts leftist discourse. So for me the definition should be inclusive.
There might be a time for the clash of micro-details later, but right now, in this historical moment, all allies are welcome.
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To me, it’s not a matter of “purity” at all. There is great diversity on the left, as we all keep saying, and that includes those of us who are anticapitalists but not anti-business. We’re a part of this, too — this crazy, unruly leftist quilt.
Not saying you do this, but I’ve encountered it endlessly through the years. Even bringing up “capitalism” seems to piss some people off, and a mere critique (without a discussion of a replacement yet) elicits all kinds of accusations, the favorite being “Stalin!!”
The more mild rebukes are of the “anti-business” sort. So I think it’s a valid response to say that being full-on left-anticapitalist isn’t anti-business . . . unless that particular leftist has that stance. To me, it’s not a logical assumption to make, because there are thousands of different (non-capitalist) modes of production we could use to start and run a business, and those who do could well love the idea of commerce itself. It could be their raison d’etre, etc. etc.
I also think it’s an important distinction . . . between social democracy and socialism. The former isn’t anticapitalist. It’s mixed, as you say. The latter is, though, and by definition. It seeks to replace capitalism with economic democracy, etc.
There’s plenty of room on the left for both views, and thousands more besides.
My only points are that (1) I prefer an inclusive definition of left/progressives, (2) I include social democracy in the left and it is neither anti-business nor anti-capitalist (existing social democracies are mixed economies), and (3) when I personally get into discussions of what is “left” I don’t debate the details–it’s just important that it be inclusive, because (IMO) the historical moment requires it.
That’s just a declaration of how I vote on the issue of “what is left/progressive.” (IE. “What is left/progressive” as opposed to what is liberal, what is purely socialist, or what is purely anti-capitalist…the latter 2 of course being part of “what is left/progressive.”) Given all that to me the vid that opens this thread offers a definition that is too exclusive.
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znModeratorI may be misreading you . . . but being anticapitalist isn’t “anti small business.” At least not necessarily.
My major point is that social democracy is left by any appreciable definition but existing social democracies are mixed economies.
Just saying that the “left” umbrella is a big one and to me any adequate definition should be inclusive.
What I personally want to avoid is the clash of purists thing which as we all know haunts leftist discourse. So for me the definition should be inclusive.
There might be a time for the clash of micro-details later, but right now, in this historical moment, all allies are welcome.
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