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znModeratorI’ve now had about fifteen minutes to think about this. …and I’d like to be the FIRST to begin the board-war-question: So….who’s better, Aaron Donald or Myles Garrett?
I shall take my leave now.
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vDonald’s better because he did it from the inside, which means he faced more blockers.
But that’s not to say Garrett is just a bag of carrots.
Garrett is an A+. Donald was an A++.
znModeratorI think this is great. And in fact, relatively a bargain. Is he on the downside? I don’t think so at all. I think he’s in peak form.
He’ll give them more than Von Miller did in 2021.
It’s odd to hear some of the criticisms out there (though they’re not common–this is widely considered to be a slam dunk).
On the one hand, some people say you took Simpson, what about “all in for this year”?
On the other hand, some people say with Garrett, what about the future?
I’m with those who say they did both.
Plus they have Young, Turner, and Nacua coming up as free agents. Odds are they were never going to be in a position to sign Verse. Now they have a player who is consistently better than Verse, and already under contract.
In terms of “trading away picks,” they did it before—and thrived. They went “all in” throwing picks at Ramsey, Von Miller, and Stafford. Odds are, when the day comes that Garrett is gone, they will do it again.
I see the Rams as not just leading the pack when it comes to personnel stuff, I see them as lapping the pack.
znModeratorWhy the Rams Decided to Swing for the Myles Garrett Blockbuster
Los Angeles is trying to once again turn the Super Bowl into a home game, while the Browns acquired a great player who fits their timeline.Albert Breer
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/2061499767184593097
Myles Garrett is a Ram.
Let that sink in.
In the years since their Super Bowl LVI title, the franchise’s f— them-picks regime has shed icons like Aaron Donald, Cooper Kupp, Jalen Ramsey and Andrew Whitworth. They’ve built through the draft, bringing in young cornerstones such as Kyren Williams, Puka Nacua, Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Braden Fiske and Jared Verse, among others. And now, they’ve ripped the governor off, and punched the gas toward Super Bowl LXI in their home stadium.
The Rams are trading Verse, a 25-year-old star rusher good enough to draw comparisons to Terrell Suggs, to the Browns, along with a 2027 first-round pick, a 2028 second-round pick and a 2029 third-round pick for Garrett, who has been first-team All-Pro five times and second-team All-Pro twice in his nine-year career.
In doing so, Los Angeles GM Les Snead and coach Sean McVay are pushing their chips in on a team that went toe-to-toe with the Super Bowl champion Seahawks in the NFC title game last year, has the reigning MVP at quarterback, and pushed the button on another monster trade for a veteran only three months ago with the acquisition of Chiefs All-Pro corner Trent McDuffie.
And this blockbuster deal goes back almost that far. In March, the Rams went down the road with the Eagles on the idea of a trade for A.J. Brown—one that would be centered on a 2028 first-rounder and contingent on a corresponding deal to send Davante Adams elsewhere. The team couldn’t thread the needle on sequencing a Brown-Adams double, and there were some concerns about Brown’s knee. But the Rams showed then that they had a big swing in them.
Then, the move to take Ty Simpson with the 13th pick—seen by many as a move that wouldn’t help Matthew Stafford in the here and now—actually was viewed internally as one that gave the Rams the flexibility they needed to help Stafford get another ring in the most profound way possible. With their next quarterback in the fold, the team could afford to be more creative to find a way to add another massive piece because they wouldn’t need to worry about spending a first-rounder in 2027 or 2028 on Stafford’s replacement.
How the Rams landed on Garrett
The Rams, remember, had a difference-maker of the highest order on defense for a decade in Donald, and with that added flexibility with their draft picks, their eyes turned to the idea of landing Garrett, who’d put in and rescinded a trade request a year earlier. And they knew, of course, that generating that sort of rare opportunity would force them to do something uncomfortable, and that in this case was trading a young player they badly wanted to keep—the Rams tried, right up until the end, to find a way not to include Verse in the deal.
As for the Browns, Garrett’s trade request, made during Super Bowl week in February 2025, did force the powers that be to at least ponder the idea of eventually moving him.
As such, GM Andrew Berry and the Browns had three principles they’d stick to on a deal. First, because Garrett isn’t a normal star, the normal two-first-round-picks framework of a star-centered deal (Khalil Mack, Ramsey, etc.) wasn’t going to work—the deal would have to serve the Browns both short term and long term. Second, along those lines, a young star on a cost-controlled deal at a premium position would have to be included in the deal. And third, having that star in the deal would be on top of getting premium draft capital.
Getting a two-time Pro Bowler, Verse, who’s only 25, and has two years left on his rookie deal, plus an option for 2028, on top of top-100 picks in the next three drafts, with a first-rounder coming in 11 months, would satisfy all of that.
Verse also lines up from a timeline standpoint with the Browns’ burgeoning young core. Last year’s trade to Jacksonville of the second pick and the right to draft Travis Hunter was an acknowledgment from Berry & Co. that Cleveland was more than a player away, and the group that made playoff appearances in 2020 and 2022, and won the franchise’s first playoff game since Bill Belichick was its coach, had aged out.
That doesn’t mean, by the way, that they didn’t think Garrett had a lot left. In fact, the Browns expected Garrett to age like Bruce Smith (who was four times first-team All-Pro and had seven double-digit sack seasons in his 30s, and won DPOY at 33) or Reggie White (who had five double-digit sack seasons in his 30s, and was first-team All-Pro at 34 and 37) did a generation ago. They saw him as that freakish, that driven and different.
Browns linebacker Jared Verse
Rams linebacker Jared Verse was traded to the Browns as part of the Myles Garrett deal. | Kirby Lee-Imagn ImagesWhy Verse fits with the Browns
It was just that, at this point, the value started to match up. Verse matches up age-wise with the guys they’ve drafted since the Hunter trade—players such as Carson Schwesinger, Mason Graham, Quinshon Judkins, Harold Fannin Jr., Dylan Sampson, and now Spencer Fano, KC Concepcion and Denzel Boston, who are all in their early 20s. He also plays the same position, again, a premium position, that Garrett does.
And all of those draft picks should help the Browns’ pursuit of their next quarterback, pending what happens with Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders, Dillon Gabriel and rookie Taylen Green over the course of the next nine months, as they go forward with a young core that’ll be built to grow around whoever that quarterback winds up being.
But in the end, there’s also an acknowledgment here that, for Cleveland, this is trading a player like Jim Brown or Otto Graham, one whose name will be up in the stadium years from now and whose football career will be honored 45 minutes down the road in Canton.
Because of all that, the Browns have communicated with Garrett, who needed to waive his no-trade clause for the deal to be completed, on the potential that this could happen, and had Garrett come to Cleveland on Saturday to sit down with the Haslams and Berry.
There were signs this could happen, of course—pushing back the execution of Garrett’s $29.2 million option bonus to September, and Garrett skipping the start of OTAs (he was actually traveling through much of the spring). But the relationship that comes out of it remains intact, and in a good place, with everyone knowing Garrett will be back someday to be honored for the nine otherworldly seasons he had as a Brown, which includes breaking the NFL’s single-season sack record last year.
Similarly, the Rams, and McVay in particular, wanted to make sure the player they were so reluctant to give up, Verse, got the news from them first. That happened Monday. And with that, L.A. can move forward with the NFL’s MVP and now perhaps its best player on the roster, with the goal of turning the Super Bowl into a home game, the same way they did the last time when they made a trade of this magnitude.
znModeratorFrank Schwab@YahooSchwab
31 teams treat draft picks like invaluable assets and if they’re traded it’s like removing an appendage. (yes I’m exaggerating there … but not by much)The other team is the runaway Super Bowl favorite with the best roster in the NFL.
znModeratorJay Glazer@JayGlazer
Rams and Browns started talking about the Myles Garrett trade since draft time. One of the reasons they selected Ty Simpson in first round was because they knew they’d be without AT LEAST next years one. Rams were hoping to make it all draft capital and fought to not include Verse in deal to the end but he was a necessary for the Browns.
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilva
The Rams didn’t want to give up Jared Verse, but the Browns refused to trade Myles Garrett unless they got Verse in return.That’s how highly viewed Verse is in the Browns’ building.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
There are still more terms to be finalized on this one, I’m told. But Rams and Browns have an agreement for one of the biggest non-QB trades (or any trade) in NFL history.Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
Holy shit man. What a trade for the RamsAdam Schefter@AdamSchefter
The trade of the off-seasonSam Monson@SamMonsonNFL
Rams are inheriting Garrett’s contract with low cap hits for 3 years and a functional APY of ~$33m for 3 years – very possibly the last 3 elite years he has left.That’s like 8th in EDGE APY, some ~15m/y under market now.
Contract wise, Garrett is a bargain for the Rams.
Rams already had the best roster in the NFL and they just upgraded one of their edge rushers to Myles Garrett – the best PLAYER in the NFL.
Steve Wyche@wyche89
Rams know how many points they gave up at the tail end of the season, including 69 in two losses to Seattle – games in which they combined for 64 points – and knew the issues to address. Aaaand Myles Garrett, Trent McDuffie, and Jaylon Watson added.Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
One reason the @Rams were ok giving up next year’s No. 1 pick for Myles Garrett?By acting proactively to address life after Matthew Stafford by drafting Ty Simpson, it freed up next years first rounder to be used to address other parts of the roster
With their next QB already in place it allowed them to be aggressive in using future assets to maximize these next two seasons
Trust me. That’s the thought process and always was
@Rams HC Sean McVay told me at the owners meetings he needed closers on defense. With Garrett/McDuffie he now has two
The @RamsNFL have been playing three dimensional chess all offseason, and it all played out just as they envisioned. For now and the future.
Nate Atkins@NateAtkins_
I think that’s a good return for the Browns, too, if they were ever going to trade the best defensive player in franchise history.Jared Verse has a Pro Bowl floor and a top-5 DE ceiling. They can wait on the ascension since they’re a year-plus away, and the draft haul is great.
Mina Kimes@minakimes
Myles Garrett rushing next to the Rams DTs (Turner and Fiske were 5th and 14th in pass rush win league-wide amongst DTs) is nasty, nasty stuff.Dane Brugler@dpbrugler
I was skeptical CLE would ever trade MG because the draft compensation would never be enough. However, getting back a player like JV changes the math.Still, a no-brainer move for LAR. For CLE, compensation was never going to be enough, but this probably closest they could get.
Brock Vierra@BrockVierra
Myles Garrett should be what Charles Haley meant to the Dallas Cowboys. A clear force and finisher that sets the foundation for offensive success.Very interested to see how the offense evolves as a result
Matt Verderame@MattVerderame
The Rams went to the NFC Championship Game last year and then added Trent McDuffie and Myles Garrett lolAri Meirov@MySportsUpdate
The scary part of Myles Garrett on the #Rams…A lot of Garrett’s production — including his NFL-record 23 sacks last season — came while playing on a team that was frequently trailing.
The thought of Garrett on a Rams team that should be playing with leads a lot more often is a scary one for the rest of the NFL.
znModeratorWell, he’s no Mike Wilcher.
But he’ll do.
Added note. Part of the logic of drafting Simpson was that it let the Rams play with the 2027 1st round pick, instead of waiting to use it for a qb. So much for the “but I thought they were going to go all in this year!” complaint.
znModeratorThe LA Rams have called the Cleveland Browns about star EDGE Myles Garrett, per a source. The Rams have reportedly offered a "Rickey Williams-esque" type trade for Garrett. The Philadelphia Eagles are also making a strong push, offering WR AJ Brown and more for the star. Craziest… pic.twitter.com/5MpRPyU73f
— Easton Butler (@Easton__Butler) June 1, 2026
znModeratorRob is everywhere now.
znModeratorWe hear the AJ Brown deal is as good as done. Where is he going and what's the compensation? Check out @Sportsboomcom for the details:https://t.co/fbfgzywA10
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) May 31, 2026
znModeratorThe major drop in fan travel at this years World Cup held in North America, in-person engagement is primarily driven down by exorbitant ticket cost, hotels jacked up pricing, stricter travel and visa policies. No surprise! https://t.co/0jHmYlJ19g
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znModeratorCJ Daniels, WR, Los Angeles Rams (Round 6, No. 197)
The Los Angeles Rams entered the draft possibly needing a successor for Davante Adams, who is entering the final year of his contract. Nobody expected them to wait until the sixth round and their second-last selection to pick one. That’ll matter little if CJ Daniels develops into the steal Sean McVay and Les Snead think he’s capable of becoming.
Daniels has some underrated route-running abilities and he also thrived as a contested-catch winner at both LSU and Miami. The Rams obviously know a little something about late-round receivers after landing Puka Nacua, one of the steals of the decade. Daniels has a favorable outlook in L.A.
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znModeratorAccording to Pro Football Focus, Kevin Dotson was at his best when the pressure was on. PFF ranked Dotson as one of their 10 highest-graded players in the fourth quarter and overtime from 2025. Dotson graded out at 90.5 in the fourth quarter and overtime, the seventh-highest grade of any player.
Dotson finished last season as PFF’s third-highest-graded guard overall, driven largely by his dominance late in games. He allowed just two pressures in the fourth quarter and overtime all season, and neither resulted in Matthew Stafford taking a hit.
He was even more dominant in the run game. Dotson’s PFF run-blocking grade improved from 84.5 through the first three quarters to 90.8 in the fourth quarter and overtime. Only Lions tackle Penei Sewell graded higher as a run blocker in late-game situations.
Dotson’s ability to move defenders off the ball was a major reason the Rams led the NFL in fourth-quarter rushing yards before contact.
znModeratorSleeperNFL@SleeperNFL
The Rams reportedly believe Matthew Stafford’s lack of training camp reps last year was a “critical form of load management,” and plan to manage his reps again this offseason.Stafford returned and had “the best season of his life.”
znModeratorBest Rams? Before 2020. Olsen, Jones, Youngblood, Donald, Warner
And my list suggests the possibility of defying time, and starting a 4/3 DL that consists of all these guys in their prime:
Jones Donald Olsen Youngblood
That would be fun to watch

znModeratorAccording to Pro Football Focus, the selection of receiver Puka Nacua with the No. 179 pick in 2023 ranked as the fifth-best pick outside of the first round since 2026
There is a factual/grammar situation going on here that I am not comfortable with.
Here;s the title of the PFF article that guy is quoting from: Ranking the most valuable non-first-round NFL Draft picks since 2016
It was obviously a tpyo.
I mean a tupo.
Uh…typ9.
znModeratorI like keeping track of comeback wins but the number isn’t necessarily all that indicative. 50 is good for Stafford. The better stat would be percentage of wins in comeback situations, but then that’s a hard stat to determine.
Did you know that in 2016 the Lions went 9-7, and 8 of those wins were 4th quarter comebacks.
znModeratorAccording to Pro Football Focus, the selection of receiver Puka Nacua with the No. 179 pick in 2023 ranked as the fifth-best pick outside of the first round since 2026. Only Brock Purdy, Jordan Mailata, Tyreek Hill and Dak Prescott were higher.
Over the last three seasons, Nacua’s play has left him impossible to count out. The BYU alum leads the league in PFF receiving grade (95.6) and contested catches (56) while finishing second in first downs gained (224). Nacua has become a beacon of efficiency with a ludicrous 3.16 yards per route run in his career, fueled by a relentless motor — as reflected in his career average of 5.9 yards after the catch per reception.
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“Hey, buddy…”. A patient Matthew Stafford quietly suggests to a young, green Ty Simpson that he has not put his helmet on properly.
znModeratorAnother moment in that game that I remember is Staubach’s goof pass. Dallas had a chance with 2 minutes to get a field goal and win. But the Rams D confused and confounded him so much that his final throw was to an offensive lineman, who (befuddled in the moment) caught it, making it an illegal pass. The next play, on his final pass of both the game and his career, he throws an incomplete.
That was also the game where Jack Youngblood famously got a stress fracture in his leg, and ordered the medical guy to tape it up so he could go back out and play.
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Roger Staubach’s Final Drive vs LA Rams ’79 Divisional Playoffs
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All 3 of VF’s TDs are in this vid:
znModeratorfrom PFF, 10 NFL players who could become first-time All-Pros in 2026: https://www.pff.com/news/10-nfl-players-who-could-become-first-time-all-pros-in-2026
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S Kam Kinchens, Los Angeles Rams
Kinchens went from a well-kept secret to a breakout force in 2025, playing to a 78.0 overall PFF grade across 975 snaps for the Rams’ sound defense. Kinchens’ 81.9 PFF coverage grade was the sixth-highest among his positional counterparts, and he finished in the 75th percentile in coverage mark at safety.
What would enable Kinchens to become a true star is more balanced work vs. the run, although he took a step in the right direction with a 6.4% run stop rate last season. Working alongside new top-tier cornerback duo Trent McDuffie and Jaylen Watson — and bringing Kam Curl back into the fold — could spark the former third-round pick to blossom even more in Chris Shula’s defense, which might better its 10th-place finish in EPA per play.
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRams
Sean McVay said figuring out how to fit all of the pieces in the secondary together has a been a “good, positive process.”McVay said those players are learning all of the spots on the back end of the defense, and that “you’re seeing Trent McDuffie all over” those spots.
There are certain guys that will play just safety or just outside corner, McVay said, but they have a lot of guys who can play safety, star, dime, and money positions
znModeratorZach Brandon@MVP_Mindset
Matthew Stafford shares how his QB coach, Dave Ragone, once studied his performance after turnovers and sacks.They found his stats on the next possession are exponentially better than league average.
“I just equate that to being able to compartmentalize…Be honest and real about it and not ultra emotional.”
In performance environments, your execution on the next play often depends on how long you stay attached to the last one.
The key is not wasting energy arguing with reality and training yourself to respond and re-engage quickly.
InefficientNFL@InefficientNFL
There is a stat out there that is a bit dated now (Detroit days) but it showed QB Win Probability compared to expected by situation. Stafford was by far the best comeback QB. Rodgers for comparison struggled to comeback but was good with a lead. Peyton was strong across board.Tej Seth@tejfbanalytics
The study in question,
znModeratorI actually don’t remember VF to Smith. So thanks for that.
In that game VF was not all that great except on the 3 TDs. (He was 9 of 21 for 210 yards and had 2 INTs). Obviously I don’t mean to downplay the TDs–VF to Waddy absolutely is legendary. Anyway Staubach wasn’t great in that game either. (12 of 29 for 124 yards). Rams could run the ball (159 yards on 39 carries against the league’s 8th ranked defense.) But then so could Dallas. The key I think was the Rams defense holding the NFL’s 2nd ranked offense that year to 124 yards passing. (Dallas was 4th in passing yards in 1979). It was that game that Bud Carson invented the “dollar defense” (7 DBs). That defense confused and stymied Staubach (who was the NFL’s highest qb rated that year).
znModeratorfrom Bill Barnwell, 2026 NFL offseason: NFC teams’ best and worst deals, picks–https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/48866785/2026-nfl-offseason-nfc-teams-best-worst-moves-trades-signings-draft-picks-contracts
Los Angeles Rams
Best: Signing Jaylen Watson as part of the cornerback revolution. The Rams’ cornerbacks were often found wanting in their losses a year ago. They made a big move, trading a first-round pick to the Chiefs for Trent McDuffie, who then signed a four-year, $124 million contract extension as the team’s new top cornerback.
Given the terms, I might like the move to sign Watson for three years and $51 million more. Watson will make $34 million over the next two years, and while he doesn’t have the inside-outside flexibility or playmaking ability at the line of scrimmage that McDuffie does, he is an excellent cover cornerback with plenty of experience in difficult situations behind those Steve Spagnuolo blitzes. Watson has allowed passer ratings of 75.4 and 79.0 over the past two seasons, and he posted a microscopic 1.5% missed tackle rate last year.
The Chiefs were perfectly comfortable with Watson covering the opposing team’s top receiver at times in 2025. We saw big wideouts like A.J. Brown and Jaxon Smith-Njigba torment the Rams last season, and Watson’s 6-foot-2 frame should help against those large targets in 2026. After the Rams played dime defense more often than any other team last season, the additions of McDuffie and Watson should allow them to play it even more this upcoming season.
Worst: Not adding more offensive line depth. There was consternation about the Rams not using the 13th pick to add another receiver, but I’m not sure that was really warranted. If the Rams are going to live in 13 personnel again in 2025, they should be covered with Puka Nacua and Davante Adams (and no receiver they drafted was going to be a suitable replacement for the former). They did draft another tight end in Max Klare, giving them five who might be active on game days between Klare, Colby Parkinson, Tyler Higbee, Terrance Ferguson and Davis Allen.
When the Rams have struggled or disappointed, though, it has usually been because the O-line has been missing key contributors. Think about the team that fell apart in 2022 and how many linemen it was forced to turn to throughout the season. In 2024, the Eagles were able to attack center Beaux Limmer, who was forced into the lineup when the Jonah Jackson/Steve Avila positional switch didn’t take. The entire 2025 NFL season might have turned on Justin Dedich taking a procedural penalty while filling in for the injured Kevin Dotson in Week 16, costing the Rams a touchdown early in their loss to the Seahawks that eventually decided the division and home-field advantage.
That might be a bit of an exaggeration, but the Rams do need offensive line depth, especially now that right tackle Rob Havenstein has retired. Coach Sean McVay will promote Warren McClendon Jr. to the starting role and used a third-round pick on Keagen Trost, but the Rams don’t have a swing tackle they would trust for any length of time on the left side or a good backup guard. Finding the former might be tough, but adding a veteran guard between now and the start of the season would be a quietly important addition for a Rams team with championship aspirations.
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