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znModeratorFrom Joe Lyons, Davis sees first NFL action after Hill leaves with thigh injury
Just some quotations stressing what I think the major issue was this game, in the 1st half anyway (mistakes)…the 2nd half, the major issue was playing qb 3 in game 1
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“Way too many mistakes,’’ tackle Joe Barksdale said. “I don’t know how many penalties we had (13 for 121 yards compared to seven for 60 yards for the Vikings), but it was clearly too many. We just have a lot of things that need to be fixed. We have to be better.’’
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Center Scott Wells added: “You can’t play this game going two steps forward and one step back. We just shot ourselves way too often.’’
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“It’s very disappointing. We certainly didn’t see it going like this,’’ Hill said. “We had some opportunities early and moved the football but (what hurt us) was self-inflicted wounds. We hurt ourselves with some penalties and backed ourselves up. And obviously, the turnover at the end of the half, I’d like to have that one back and go into halftime with a one-score game. That one there is on me, for sure.’’
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Davis said he learned before halftime that he would be starting the second half. . . .“We’re a better team, a much better team, than we showed today, (but) we made too many mistakes. We just didn’t execute when we needed to.”
znModeratorI thought I posted this, but someone from ROD posted that they were at the game and saw Shaun Hill leaving the game heading to his car and he was limping quite badly.
Why was the guy from ROD limping so badly?
Oh nevermind, I know…longterm Rams fan…
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(Yes, kidding, I know Mack meant Hill was limping.)
znModeratorIndeed the penalties were horrible but, nobody and I mean nobody believes that Hill was pulled for a quad injury. Like I stated before, you could see it in the expression on Hill’s face. He was pulled over performance issues.
GritsYeah Grits a lot of people think that was the reason (the quad). I know you dissent, and so do some others. And others have remarked on what you read into his expressions. You see it one way, others don’t. I personally think he was upset at making a mistake like the INT. That’s just how I saw it.
If Fisher actually pulled Hill just for performance, it would be a really wretched mistake. First, you don’t do that. Not for one INT. 2nd, his replacement had never played a down in a real NFL game, and it showed. He took sacks, for example, that Hill would never have taken.
As a rule, with disagreements like this, don’t jump to conclusions about other people’s motives–someone disagreeing is just disagreeing, they’re not doing some kind of “thing” to call out. Just expect some there will be disagreement sometimes and post on.
znModeratorFisher: Rams head coach Jeff Fisher reacts to the team’s loss against the Minnesota Vikings and the injury to quarterback Shaun Hill.
Virtually no sound
znModeratorI didnt see the game. Just saw the score, now.
Holy shit.
Thats all i got.
Maybe I’ll watch it on NFL replay — maybe
I’ll put my head in the oven. One or the other.w
vJust watch the 1st half. That could provide some insight.
The 2nd half? Well I have been saying it all night so far but…that’s probably what happens when your #3 qb plays in game one…….
znModeratorWell so far this improvement thing hasn’t made major inroads yet….
znModeratorWhat does your head or gut or both tell you?
My gut tells me to throw up. My head tells me throw up into a toilet. My wallet tells me, this may just be another $100+ per win season with the Sunday Ticket.
Bring on the soon to be 0-1 Buccaneers.
What does your gut tell you about the Bux game?
znModeratorHill was not hurt prior to the game. He would have had to be listed on the inhury report if he was.
Fisher said he hurt himself in the game and it got progressive worst.
This team was ill-prepared.
Yeah he was. Hurt before the game. Wait for the full report on this. As for not listing him…Fisher got caught.
znModeratorzn wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
The Rams weren’t ready to play. I blame Fisher for this one.And if Hill was playing hurt?
Lots of angry fans out there Zack.I for one don’t understand why the OL looked out of sync.I’m not a big Saffold fan.He’s been on the Rams as long as Bradford and if you don’t include this year has been injured more than Bradford.Not to mention to see his team loyalty this past offseason given his injury history.
Well, to me, it’s as simple as this–the OL looked out of sync because it hasn’t played together. I don’t hold the fact that the Raiders tried to out-bid for him against Saffold. That’s the NFL. There’s no loyalty at contract time, and that cuts both ways.
znModerator<The Rams weren’t ready to play. I blame Fisher for this one.
And if Hill was playing hurt?
znModeratorI sense a board war.
Big one.
Maybe after the war the Rams can sign some of that horde and get it turned around….again
I hadn’t thought of that.
znModeratorobviously, when hill went down, the chances of any kind of win went down the drain, but i expected something better than getting blown out at home.
I think it’s simpler than that. Hill didn’t go down–he re-aggravated an injury. That means he was playing hurt.
As for the run, it’s the same thing we saw last year with Clemens and Stacy. When teams stack against the run and dare the Rams to pass, they’re supposed to be able to pass.
And we don’t know how hurt Hill was.
See the dilemma?
Meanwhile, most people are going to look at other things in trying to explain it. To me it’s simple. The team was pressing, Hill was playing hurt and they knew it.
Maybe that’s the real reason he didn’t play in Miami, in fact.
znModeratorI think the secret to this game was simple. Hill played hurt. He aggravated it during the game. Given that, there was some kind of number going on out there–players were pressing, and you do that when you don’t have confidence. It’s one thing to lose Bradford–that screws with the team’s psyche already–but now here’s a young team and they know their qb is limited and playing hurt and he’s THE #2.
(How many teams in the history of the game had to start their #3 qb in game one. I want to emphasize that. Played their #3 QB…in GAME ONE.)
If Hill hadn’t aggravated the thing and just continued as he was going, even hurt, they would have had a chance…it at least would have been closer.
znModeratorI have to agree with Jack Miller. This continues and Fisher’s job may be in jeopardy.
Grits
I think you agree with everyone. We all said it becomes an issue if it continues. People put it differently but there was a core agreement–you can’t get several games like this, even if it’s because of what happened at qb, and even though SK is smart enough to know what key injuries do.
znModeratorznModeratorzn wrote:
nittany ram wrote:
Penalties continue to be a problem and now that we’re in the third year I think we should just resign ourselves to the idea that that’s the way it’s gonna be.I don’t think they are a huge priority for Fisher. I mean, sure he’d rather not have them, but he doesn’t put the importance on them some other coaches would. He always sorta has a nonchalant demeanor when he’s asked about them. Sorta like ‘yeah, we’ll take a look at that…” A coach like DV would have been more adamant when asked about that.
Fisher is part of the Buddy Ryan coaching tree. I could be wrong but it seems to me his teams were heavily penalized too. Like Ryan, I bet Fisher desires his teams to play with a lot of emotion and recklessness. He’s probably prepared to sacrifice some discipline to achieve that.
The 7 most penalized teams last year were
Seattle 152
Denver 132
St.Louis 123
Tampa Bay 121
San Francisco 117
Oakland 116
Baltimore 112
A lot of good teams on that list, including perhaps the three best from last season. Yeah, reporters that continually ask Fisher about the excessive penalties his team commits should stop wasting their breath. They are not a priority for him and he’s just going to pay it lip service. He’s trying to build a team in the mold of the 9’ers and Seahawks (and the 85 Bears and Ryan’s Eagles). He’ll sacrifice discipline to achieve that. His players trash talk and try to intimidate. They play through the whistle. That’s what he wants.
I think there’s some truth to that.
But then, last year, remember? Special teams started out being badly penalized in the first few games–and then settled down, to become the NFL’s best coverage units, ever. (That’s true, statistically.)
There’s playing with an edge that can lead to penalties…and then there’s being the only receiver in anyone’s memory who gets called for face-masking.
Leaving the skill players out of it, and looking at the blockers–to me, as a rule when you see someone like Kendricks false start a lot, there’s something else going on. To me…this team is rattled by losing Bradford. It needed a new, external jolt of confidence. To me, when you see a team play out of sync and full of mental errors on offense (still talking about the blockers), it will usually turn out to be a confidence/comfort kind of thing. They’re not comfortable and not confident.
znModeratorDon’t give me the Sam Bradford is out thing, he would have done nothing.
You had me till that sentence. Up until that sentence, you were offering a view I didn’t share but you were making a case for yourself. I was in “well I don’t agree but I see why he says that” territory. But with that sentence you veer into complete “making it up” mode. You have no idea if that statement is true or not. In fact it’s not likely to be true. You may BELIEVE it’s true but that’s really the only thing you can legitimately claim–that you BELIEVE that. I doubt most would agree with you. That was a tentative, mind-messed team that was trying to find its base of confidence. With Bradford they already had that. So, my beliefs are directly contrary to your beliefs on this issue.
And I will say that I don’t think Fisher’s seat is even lukewarm UNLESS there are several games like that in a short span.
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znModeratorPenalties continue to be a problem and now that we’re in the third year I think we should just resign ourselves to the idea that that’s the way it’s gonna be.
I don’t think they are a huge priority for Fisher. I mean, sure he’d rather not have them, but he doesn’t put the importance on them some other coaches would. He always sorta has a nonchalant demeanor when he’s asked about them. Sorta like ‘yeah, we’ll take a look at that…” A coach like DV would have been more adamant when asked about that.
Fisher is part of the Buddy Ryan coaching tree. I could be wrong but it seems to me his teams were heavily penalized too. Like Ryan, I bet Fisher desires his teams to play with a lot of emotion and recklessness. He’s probably prepared to sacrifice some discipline to achieve that.
The 7 most penalized teams last year were
Seattle 152
Denver 132
St.Louis 123
Tampa Bay 121
San Francisco 117
Oakland 116
Baltimore 112
September 7, 2014 at 4:53 pm in reply to: What happened to my post "Something Else to chew on"? #6434znModeratorGreat and what post is that?
znModeratorYeah they killed themselves with penalties and mistakes in the 1st half. I thought that was all correctable IN THE GAME, if they had been able to keep Hill in there.
znModeratorHe was jerked.
Grits
So you said.
September 7, 2014 at 4:44 pm in reply to: What happened to my post "Something Else to chew on"? #6425znModeratorIt wasn’t removed. It went the way of many posts that repeat a topic that’s already going…it was moved to the thread where that discussion was already underway.
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znModeratorI’m sorry the look on Hill’s face did not look like a guy who had an injury. He looked like a guy who had just been demoted.
I don’t buy the injury story. This is Davis’s team now.
Grits
We just disagree on all of that.
Time will tell.
Because if he did just jerk Hill–it would have been the worst mistake he’s made as a head coach, going back to the early Tenn. years. I doubt he’s that crazy.
znModeratorHill was injured.
Either way, even if it had been a yank, coaches sit qbs and return to them all the time.
znModeratorI don’t believe it will be a long season, and I think it is way too soon to talk about the draft.
There will be different opinions on this by my bet is they rally, and sooner rather than later.
Until Hill went out, they were holding up on defense, and killing themselves with mistakes on offense…but not being outmatched.
The rout was a result of Davis…but then how many teams look good with their 3rd qb.
For that matter…how mean teams play their 3rd qb in game ONE. !
In fact…how many times has that ever happened in the history of the game? QB 3 has to come in and play a HALF in GAME ONE?
And what was the score BEFORE that happened?
znModeratori think he should be starting by the start of the second half of this season.
or i’ll be worried.
Well I wouldn’t be worried even then, myself.
Either way, though, yeah, I expect he will be starting at some point this year.
They thought of this. Hence, Joseph.
znModeratorThey go through ALL this trouble to trade up for Keenum, and he’s NOT EVEN ACTIVE!?
BTW, PA, good info thnx.
znModeratori still think the running game has to carry this offense. so i’d add rushing yards per game.
130 rushing yards per game would put them in the top 10. last year was 109.5
more than that they averaged 4.1 yards per carry. it’d be nice if they could improve that to 4.5 yards per carry. that would have ranked in the top 10 last year.
Fair enough but how close were they to that last year, really? In fact if you account for the 1st 4 games (Richardson) they were already there last year. I get that by subtracting the 1st 4 games and then extrapolating those numbers across 16 games.
If you do that, they were averaging 130.25 yards per game, and 4.43 yards a carry. (The math, for those who want to see it: 353 carries divided by 12 and them multiplied by 16 = 470, rounded down…1563 yards divided by 12 and then multiplied by 16 = 2084)
In terms of 2013 numbers, 130.25 a game would would be ranked 9th, and 4.43 a carry would also be ranked 9th.
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Those 2 averages include at least 2 games from the end of the season where the OL was riddled with replacements (first Long, then Saffold, but also Wells).
znModeratorThis is a good series. WW is a little unseasoned as a video presence, but when he gets the hang of it this could be a really good weekly watch. I don’t see where anyone else has noticed it yet–good catch by you, ag.
znModeratorfrom off le net
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Matt Cassel is Matt Cassel. Norv Turner is Norv Turner for better and worse. What I mean by “worse” with Norv is that he’s not known for adjusting his scheme. And with the Rams DL, there’s potential for that to be really bad if the Minnesota OL isn’t up to task with Turner’s longer developing routes and deeper drops.
IMO, the Rams have the advantage in the trenches on both sides of the ball on paper. And the Vikings still have a majorly questionable defense (that finished 32nd last year in PPG Allowed). But that’s on paper. We shall see.
I can see a close game.
I’ll say:
Rams – 24
Vikings – 17=========
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