rfl wrote:

zn wrote:
So this is nothing new.

Exactly. Which is the problem. Nothing has been fixed.

Well that’s 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, or glass half full/empty.

It means that we know this D can be re-gathered.

And it might be as simple as knowing the system. They tripped up at first with Walton, they trip up at first with Wms. I know this is always supposed to be “Fisher’s defense” but that’s not really the case. Walton brought things that were new and so did Wms.

It’s not dangerous to project. We;re discussing things on a message board. No harm is caused. My line is, if they did it before, they’re capable of it again. That’s not a promise, but it;s also a factor. These things have many sides to them. I am just speaking for one of them. Either way, we don;t know that the issues with the run defense THIS year are different from or the same as the issues LAST year. It’s like teaching beginning writers. Sometimes when you fix one thing, you end up with a different series of problems. So we don;t know. One thing we DO know. It;s not just personnel. The same guys have done better.

Here’s something to watch for. So far the Fisher Rams are always better after a bye. They really do fix stuff.

Pretty much the same defense started out poorly last year, too. It was the main culprit in the Atlanta, Dallas, and SF losses last year. In the Dallas game, they had allowed 86 yards rushing by the end of the 4th quarter.

Then halfway through the season, they became the best run defense in the league.

So this is nothing new.

A thought for the future, regarding draft picks. If they were that right about McDonald, maybe they’re right about Alexander too.

Here’s a highlight vid of the catch:

http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/Pettis-Makes-Spectacular-27-yard-Catch/38864947-dae7-4a8f-b059-04b2d2725afd

Grits and TD called it.

Davis came through.

Good game by him.

Cal wrote:

Sorry, complete joke on my part!

Well it’s a very good one.

But you picked the wrong guy. (Or…the right guy, I guess.)

I am fairly anatomy ignorant.

I was ready to fall for it. I thought, okay, he made a bad throw cause of the quad, maybe if you check for throwing strength……

So…good one.

Now I am not THAT bad, mind you. When I got gout, I knew it was in my foot, and that it had to do with not eating enough red meat and seafood. But that’s all I knew.

Dak wrote:

It’s obvious that I cannot post a photo. Nevermind.

Try again. Just drop the pic url in a post and I will edit it, if you want.

But goes like this.

click img above.

clear out the “http” code from the box provided.

deposit your pic url

hit okay

you will be asked for a response (type in one letter, it’s arbitrary) and asked to click a box (yeah do it)

then hit okay

THOMAS: Quinn averages just under $11 million a year under the new deal, which isn’t exorbitant for a star defensive end these days. But he gets roughly two-thirds of that money — $41.2 million — as guaranteed dollars.

That pretty much sums up our discussion.

Lighter than some in avg. dollars per year…high in guaranteed money.

I am looking forward to seeing how it works out structurally, year by year.

Agamemnon wrote:

Promise me we don’t have to do that.

Agamemnon wrote:

zn wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:
>Watt is only guaranteed ~20m and there is a some fluff at the end. They also chose to take a big hit in 2015 and they can cut him after 2015. I am sure Quinn isn’t cutable until 2016. imo

Yeah I discussed those things about that contract in a different thread. I even pointed out that if you subtract the 17.5 in the final phoney year, it still avgs. 13.7 M or so.

I did say that probably what Quinn wanted was the guaranteed money upfront.

But even given that, an 11 M annual avg. is surprising. That’s an interesting trade-off. More guaranteed upfront for a lower annual avg.

As invader already pointed out in a different thread, that makes Quinn a very interesting player. He didn’t care about the showboat “total contract” comparison with other players, and opted instead for the upfront money.

>It is the more the real money vs fluff. Annual salary is in someways meaningless.

Ag we;re not really disagreeing.

Part of my point was that it’s fluff v. real money.

What surprises is me is that a player knows that and acts accordingly.

Watt for example didn’t act like he knew that.

In fact Watt is the norm.

This is the discussion from before, which parallels this one:

http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-and-quinn-close-to-contract-extension/

zn wrote:

one advantage the Rams have, besides guys wanting to play for Fisher (and in RQ’s case, Waufle too), is that they frontload–guys REALLY ARE getting that money, upfront.

InvaderRam wrote:

i’m sure robert realizes this. instead of going for the headline “record contract”.

zn wrote:

I think you’re right that RQ wants the real money upfront, and I would be surprised if it had a trick money backloaded final year the way Watts deal does.