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znModeratorA good personnel/coaching team
with cap-space, “ought” to be able to fix
this OLine.That only leaves that…um…one other
little problem.w
vYeah. I know.
Is Mason the guy?
Maybe they need a 2nd round RB this time.
znModeratorI dunno if Barksdale is coming back
or if they should even want him back.
He hasn’t been all that impressive
in the second half of the year.I think Barksdale will be back. I think he’s better playing next to Saffold. I also think that he could work on technique issues in the off-season. I ALSO think starting ROTs are not that hard to find and they could add someone behind him in any number of ways.
Replacing 3 linemen in one year? A lot to ask. But it’s G, C, and ROT, which are not big challenges. I looked up PFF rankings on OGs, for example, and 75% of their top 12 are NOT 1st round picks.
In their line-building histories, both Boudreau and Fisher have been in situations where they turned OLs around in one year. Though…they ain’t gonna do it with 3 rookies. I think they would rather eat their own fingers than start 3 rookie linemen.
znModeratorOne man’s view
of drafting.==========================
maxThe Pats have had only 1 top 10 pick in the past 13 years. They drafted Jerod Mayo #10 overall in 2008.
Yet, there they sit with the best record in the NFL and favorites to win the SB this season….
On the rare occasions when there’s an Andrew Luck in the draft, sure it makes sense to tank. That would be once every 20 or so and you’d have to have a shot at the #1 overall pick.
Otherwise, all the talk about tanking games at the end of the season is ignorant. The idea that there are only a select group of “blue chip” prospects (whatever the media thinks that is) is a joke.
In 2012, there were reportedly 6 blue chip guys. Luck, RG3, Richardson, Kalil, Blackomon, Claiborne. So how did that work out? Outside of Luck, not one of them would be drafted in the first round if there was a redraft.
I remember back in 2005, there were many people who admonished the Rams for beating the Niners and losing out on one of the blue chip guys. Good old Bernie chastised the Rams for missing out on Michael Huff because of that meaningless win. So how’d that turn out?
This is why Belichick advised his friend Dimitroff, the Falcons GM not to traded away the farm for Julio Jones. Julio is great, but the Falcons are a mess almost everywhere else. Imagine if Juiio was a bust? Not hard to imagine really. Just look at Washington and RG3.
Moral of the story….
Don’t trade away the farm to move up for any player (forget about getting a Luck, nobody is trading him away).
Don’t worry about not being high enough in the draft to get one of the “blue chip” players. History shows that’s a sham.
Whether the Rams draft 11 or 19, it makes no difference to me. Winning the next 2 games is much more important.
===============================I think that’s one of them there “go find one big recent example and then generalize all over the place” arguments.
Like, should you spend a high pick on a qb? Look at Kurt Warner.
What NE teaches me is, hire the best coach in football and keep him in place for more than a decade. YOu will win a lot of regular season games that way. Meanwhile, they are always among the 2-3 teams with the best record and favorites to win the superbowl. Heck in 2010 they were 14-2 and lost to the Jets in the playoffs.
But then off the top of my head I think of all those high picks the 70s Steelers had, plus the 90s Cowboys. Then closer to home….the Rams, with picks like Pace and Holt, which were top 10 picks.
So…what’s the generalization?
There’s lots of ways to do it.
I DO know that you don’t get a Greg Robinson picking below 10.
znModeratorYou know I looked up the top 12 guards as rated by PFF.
Interesting…there’s only 3 1st rounders in the bunch (Zeitler, Long, Martin).
Also.
The Rams showed more than usual interest the last 2 drafts in a couple of guards. In 2013 it was Larry Warford. He would have been the pick if Ogletree weren’t there. And of course in 2014, they were on the verge of trading up for Zack Martin but Dallas took him first. That’s good news because both are very good guards. That tells me Rams have a good eye for the premium guards.
The discount ones? Not so much…..
December 17, 2014 at 3:00 am in reply to: qbs who have started for the Rams since the 1995 move #14044
znModeratorI’d like to suggest a list of
the Long-snappers since the Rams
moved to St.Louis.Okay.
I remember 3 of them.
Robinson.
Massey.
McQuaide.
There were more than 3 of them though. The others? …don’t know why but for some reason the NFL doesn’t want us to look too closely into the history of Rams long snappers. So it’s hard to search.
December 17, 2014 at 1:29 am in reply to: How good is Shaun Hill? Hill after the last 5 games #14025
znModeratorSee what we have summoned.
That’s right. Board war.

Kidding of course. Hill is controversial at this point and there are clashing views of him. I think it’s interesting to see those contrasting views.
I wonder where folks will stand after the next 2 games.
I think he will bounce back to around the 88-90 qb rating level.
znModeratorIs Marc Trestman safe in Chicago after this season? ESPN’s Mike Sando joins The Fast Lane
znModeratorI heard a rumor that, if the Skins let go of Jay Gruden, as most expect, Brian Shottenheimer may get an interview at the end of the season. Not saying he will get the job, but it would be interesting if he ends up getting the Washington Head Coaching job.
Well, for the sake of continuity on offense with the Rams, and for the sake of Schott as a coach…I hope either the rumor is not true, or that he is smart enough to have nothing to do with Washington.
znModeratorFrom PFF
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/12/11/32-observations-week-14-3/
St. Louis Rams: Defensive tackle Aaron Donald has a Run Stop Percentage of 12.3% which is second-best for all defensive/nose tackles.
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Me:
There’s also some gems in the article I posted in this thread by JT:
Donald’s 40-yard dash time itself was an eye-opening 4.68 seconds, the fifth-highest time of any defensive lineman at the 2014 combine, ends included.The first 10 yards of that 40 is what caused Waufle to do a double take.
“I was like, ‘Oh my gosh. This is unbelievable,’” Waufle recalled. “He has that initial quickness that people have a hard time with. He’s got natural leverage. He’s extremely strong.”
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Last Tuesday on a conference call with St. Louis reporters, Arizona coach Bruce Arians was asked what concerns him about Donald.“Ha, ha. Everything,” Arians replied. “I like everything about him, and all of it concerns me. He’s a high-motor, very talented young guy that I was really sad to see go the Rams, ‘cause we’ve got to play him twice every year.”
znModeratorIf the Rams make no changes on their roster from 2014-2015 there will be 27 players next year with 4-7 years of experience on the team. There will also only be 6 players on the down side of the bell curve with over 7 years of experience.
I am not sure that is right. The draft class of 2012 will be completing their 3rd year this year. So next year they will have three years of experience. I don’t think there are 27 players on the Rams roster who came into the league in 2011 or before. I am guessing he means the players will be beginning their 4th through 7th years. This would include the 2012 players.
Also, there will be a number of players in the “experienced” catigory who will not be with the Rams next year, though I know the statement said if “no changes”.
The way you count years, it’s “in x year” not “x years behind you.” So in 2015, the class of 2012 will be in their 4th year. That’s what Jimi means, I think. I’ve always calculated it that way, myself–the year they are IN = their year. That’s the way, for example, the Rams official site lists it–players from the class of 2012 are now IN their 3rd year.
In terms of how many 4-7 year players there will be, according to the roster at the official site, counting IR, they now have 33 players who are in year 3 or more. Not all of those players will be there next year. Of those, I count 24 who will be IN years 4-7 (and are therefore now listed as being in years 3-6). If you go to the practice squad and count Conrath, it’s 25.
December 16, 2014 at 4:39 pm in reply to: Bill Polian says, "QB's and D-Line Are The Hardest To Find" #14005
znModeratorDonald was a need because the Rams have an elite defensive end rusher in Quinn but they didnt have an elite defensive tackle. Now they do in Donald. He will allow the Rams to get consistent pressure up the middle as well as off the edge.
When I first read this, I thought that Polian was saying that. It is the posters opinion…
Yeah I will edit it so that’s more clear.
znModeratorIf the Rams decide to go with a rookie QB
next year…let us hope it does
not look like this:http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014121404/2014/REG15/bengals@browns#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000443236&tab=recap
Manziel might improve.
In fact I am holding my breath on it.
December 16, 2014 at 1:59 pm in reply to: How good is Shaun Hill? Hill after the last 5 games #13979
znModeratorI think Hill sucks. He has a tendency to make the big mistake. Perfect examples is the end of the Chargers game and the last drive in the Cardinals game last Thursday.
You didn’t name the perfect examples, Grits, you named the only examples.
Meanwhile, he played well against a top D (Denver) and in fact has played decently overall.
December 16, 2014 at 1:44 pm in reply to: Which game is more important to you to win? Giants or Seahawks? #13978
znModeratorWhich game is more important to you to win? Giants or Seahawks?
That’s a hard question to answer; I am not even sure it’s a fair question.
I want them to win both.
A loss to the Giants would mean bad things. So you want a win there.
A win in Seattle would mean great things. So you want a win there.
znModeratorI thot the Randy-K article was pretty sensible.
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vRams Can Still Win with Schottenheimer
By Randy Karraker
http://www.101sports.com/2014/12/14/rams-need-can-still-win-schottenheimer/
I received a tweet from a guy wondering what I’ve seen from Rams offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer to make me think the Rams can win with him. … I asked what, specifically, he wanted to see from an offensive coordinator, he replied that he DIDN’T want to see a pass in an obvious running situation.
You know, to be honest, I am kind of getting tired of this kind of thing.
I know there will be complaints about coordinators, and that all around the NFL, fans go after the OC when a team loses. The OC is the default setting scapegoat.
But then there’s the type who comes across as pretending to be this playcalling genius while exposing that they have no idea what the Rams offense is ever even doing.
Here are some things to consider.
1. The Rams RARELY run on 3rd and 4th and short this year, and are not successful when they DO. That means, to me, that the OC is compensating for poor line play in power situations. AND interestingly if you look up which qbs excel throwing in that situation (3rd/4th short) HILL IS TIED FOR 1ST AMONG ALL QBS. In that situation he has an 85%+ completion percentage. What does that tell you. They know they can’t run effectively a high percentage of the time in that situation, so they have worked on being good at passing in that situation.
And then not all the plays work so we have some playcalling genius declaring that according to the Dogmatic Book of Things Fans Know and Coaches Don’t, those are RUNNING SITUATIONS so if they don’t run it;s bad. Jeesh.
2. This is part of Schott’s approach to football and has been since 2012. He will often put run-first personnel on the field and then throws from that. Think of all the big plays from Harkey and Kendricks over the years, where they are so wide open it’s impossible to miss them. That means Schott will run and run, and throw ball control passes, and then BANG set up play action from running situations with run personnel. It’s a thing. Always has been.
But the Dogmatic Book says you’re supposed to run in those situations so we get tweets to Karraker from the School of Playcalling Dogma.
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My motto.
Look at what’s THERE.
Don’t apply a freaking dogma.
Look at what they actually DO.
December 16, 2014 at 10:02 am in reply to: How good is Shaun Hill? Hill after the last 5 games #13962
znModeratorBut we are talking about a guy that’s been in the league for 13 years and has never been anyone’s starter. If u are saying the rams should bring him back to be the starter next season, i couldn’t disagree more.
Well I am not saying he should be “brought back as the starter” and I don’t think Mack is either. He should be brought back though since next year is going to be interesting in terms of the qb situation. And having an experienced qb who knows the system and the players would be a plus.
In terms of his 13 years, I don’t judge that…sometimes a guy ends up in the right place at the right time and comes through. For example, the last time Hill got several consecutive starts, 2010 in Detroit, the Lions had a below average defense and no running game. It’s true that Hill has streaky accuracy. But IMO he makes up for that by being smart about the game.
I think the difference between Bradford and Hill, while there are a lot of them, can be reduced to this: if Bradford has a healthy OL and a running threat, whether or not the run game is working in a given game, he can play. Hill needs both the healthy OL AND for the run game to be working.
The rookie they will bring in? Who knows yet.
I think Hill is the best #2 qb they’ve had since Green in 2000 and Bulger in 2002. (Though both were better than Hill.)
I would not trust the qb to be pushed into the situation of being a consecutive games starter if it were Jamie Martin, AJ Feeley, Kellen Clemens, Kyle Boller, etc. But Hill, to me, is a cut above that.
So I agree with Mack that the ARz game tripped him up, but to me it didn’t “expose him” per se the way Davis was exposed, for example. I expect him to bounce back, at least against the Giants (I don’t know about Seattle on the road but we’ll see).
December 16, 2014 at 1:45 am in reply to: How good is Shaun Hill? Hill after the last 5 games #13954
znModeratorI don’t know about the numbers but after watching the Washington game Hill was not at all impressive in my view anyway.Looks like the same thing that happened to Davis when he started playing against good Defenses, they have recent film on him now. When he gets rattled he throws way too high and ball security goes to shit. A number of the “good throws” were in reality great plays by Britt and Bailey on poorly thrown balls.Vermeil said backups can have a good game or two but to win consistently you need more talent at the QB position. He also said they should get rid of Long because he gave up the hit that took Bradford out. </span></span>
It is true that the ARz defense got to the Rams OL and that had an effect on Hill. But from what I saw, nothing about it was Davis level. And in fact all that happened there, to me, was that a defense that matches up well with the Rams offense did to Hill what the Rams defense did to Manning this year and Luck last year.
Not that Hill is Luck or Manning, but he is better than that one game. Evidence of that was the way they broke out late in the 4th and drove on ARz, and that included some timely sharp throws from Hill. It wasn’t enough that game, but he did not melt down Davis style.
December 16, 2014 at 1:39 am in reply to: reporters, analysts etc, do the post-mortem on the ARZ game #13952
znModeratorRams Can Still Win with Schottenheimer
By Randy Karraker
http://www.101sports.com/2014/12/14/rams-need-can-still-win-schottenheimer/
I received a tweet from a guy wondering what I’ve seen from Rams offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer to make me think the Rams can win with him. I pointed out that, despite losing their top receiver in Brian Quick, their left tackle Jake Long and quarterback Sam Bradford, the Rams were seventeenth in the NFL in points scored.
I asked what, specifically, he wanted to see from an offensive coordinator, he replied that he DIDN’T want to see a pass in an obvious running situation. I wasn’t sure if he was referring to the 3rd and goal from the one yard line against Dallas (a touchdown pass to Lance Kendricks) or a 1st and 10 play against Denver from the Rams 37 (a 63 yard TD to Kenny Britt), but I pointed out this little factoid: over the last three seasons, the highest scoring teams in the NFL have been Denver (1,472 points), New England (1,402), Green Bay (1,273) and Indianapolis (1,155)
Each of those teams has had an offensive coordinator leave for a head coaching job in that time. Mike McCoy left Denver for San Diego, Bill O’Brien left New England for Penn State and then the Texans, Joe Philbin left the Packers for Miami, and Bruce Arians left Indianapolis for Arizona.
Are those teams THAT good at identifying offensive coordinators, or is there something else at work here?
I would suggest that it’s something else.
That something would be franchise quarterbacks Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck. Not surprisingly, those four are among the touchdown pass leaders in the NFL over that period…with Manning throwing 128, Rodgers 91 (despite missing seven games in 2013), Brady 89 and Luck 82.
So I must ask the question; does the coordinator make the offense, or does the quarterback? When Rodgers was out for seven games in Green Bay last year, they averaged 21.7 points per game. When he played, they averaged 29.4. Same offensive coordinator. Same play caller. Same supporting cast. Different results. Manning’s injury in Indianapolis turned a team that scored between 377 and 522 points for eight straight years into a 243 point offense. Same offensive staff, but a different quarterback, and a much worse offense.
Not that there’s no reason to question Schottenheimer. We all love to question and criticize play calling. But the best coordinators, the guys who wind up getting head coaching jobs, are inevitably the guys who have the best quarterbacks to work with.
Another tweet I received after the 12-6 loss to Arizona said “I guess we can stop talking about how the Rams are ‘close.’ Tonight showed pretender vs contender.” I would suggest that wins over the Seahawks, Broncos and 49ers at San Francisco provide evidence that the Rams are close to being competitive for a playoff spot. A bad team, like the Rams teams of 2008, 2009 and 2011 would have had no chance against those teams. In fact, that team lost by an average of 13.4 points per game. This Rams team has been outscored by a TOTAL of six points all season. As good fans know, a team can be close to being good but not be in the playoffs. That doesn’t make them bad. The Rams right now define mediocre. They’re likely to win seven games for a third straight year.
However, if you would have told me before that monstrous nine game stretch of Dallas, Philadelphia, San Francisco (twice), Seattle, Kansas City, Arizona, Denver and San Diego that they’d go 3-6 without their three highest paid players, I would have taken it. Especially after an 0-3 start to that stretch.
At the end of the day, I don’t judge teams on one game. I’m going to take a longer view. And in MY view, the Rams are a much better team than the one that allowed either 34 or 31 points six times in their first nine games. In fact, since the last time the Rams allowed 31 or 34 (34 against Arizona in game nine), they’ve allowed 46 points in five games. So I see progress. The Rams ARE close. They need a quarterback and they need to add muscle and toughness on the offensive line. And like every other team, they need to add young depth throughout the roster, especially at linebacker and cornerback. But to say the Rams aren’t close because of the loss to Arizona is ridiculous.
I love the reactionary passion after wins or losses, but in football it’s important to get away from emotion and look at reality.
znModeratorWell, styles make fights and Davin Joseph (and Wells) struggles with power. It wasn’t just Rucker giving him fits, either…
What a time to have a terrible game…
You know my take on that game was that the OL struggled, and so did Hill, BUT they could have still won if the defense held up.
I don’t know how many people noticed, but their 2nd half struggles were a direct result of playing it conservative in situations where field position dictated it.
So yeah they had all those three and outs, but they just refused to do anything that potentially led to defensive big plays.
Not till time ran down. We’ve seen it before…this team plays differently in the 4th when it’s time to seal or get a win.
My point is, if it was ONLY the ARz defense stifling them, how do we explain this drive? I start after the offensive pass interference that made it 2nd and 20 from the 23. Of course they only got a field goal from this but still.
quarter time down distance play
4 10:10 2 20 RAM 23 Shaun Hill pass complete deep right to Stedman Bailey for 38 yards (tackle by Jerraud Powers)
4 9:29 1 10 CRD 39 Tavon Austin right end for 8 yards (tackle by Deone Bucannon)
4 8:58 2 2 CRD 31 Stedman Bailey left end for 13 yards (tackle by Alex Okafor and Jerraud Powers)
4 8:22 1 10 CRD 18 Penalty on Dan Williams: Encroachment, 5 yards (no play)
4 8:02 1 5 CRD 13 Shaun Hill pass complete short left to Kenny Britt for 6 yards (tackle by Tony Jefferson and Antonio Cromartie)
4 7:29 1 7 CRD 7 Tre Mason up the middle for no gain (tackle by Calais Campbell)
4 6:53 2 7 CRD 7 Shaun Hill pass complete short middle to Stedman Bailey for 6 yards (tackle by Jerraud Powers)
znModeratorfrom Dad’s Conversations About Race: ‘Most White Kids Don’t Get This Talk’
Calvin Hennick
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/dads-conversations-about-race-most-white-kids-104952792887.html
Race doesn’t exist for my kids yet. To my 3-year-old son, I’m “blue” or “gray” or “yellow,” depending on the color of my shirt. And my 5-month-old daughter is primarily concerned with whether or not I’m holding something shiny.
Soon, though, they’ll notice that Mommy has dark brown skin, that Daddy’s skin is sort of pink, and that theirs is somewhere in between. Eventually, they’ll figure out that these differences actually seem pretty important – that people who look like Mommy and Daddy tend to live in different neighborhoods from each other, tend to attend different schools, and are often portrayed differently in the media.
And they will have questions.
I have no idea what I’m going to say to my kids about race (or sex, or bullying, or any other number of complicated topics that haven’t come up yet). So I set out to talk to parents of older black and biracial kids, as well as a couple of experts, to get some tips.
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The ‘Police Talk’ Is Real, and It’s Awful
Every parent of black and biracial kids I spoke with has talked to their kids about what to do if they’re stopped by police. My brother is a cop, and I don’t want to make my kids think that police officers are out to get them. But in the wake of the Mike Brown, Eric Garner, and Tamir Rice incidents (among others), many parents view “the talk” as a necessity.
Sandy told her son to do whatever he’s told by police officers “and we’ll worry about justice later.”
“After years of saying you need to stand up for what’s right, it’s heartbreaking to tell your child, it doesn’t matter what’s right, you need to lie down,” she says.
One of Sandy’s friends Askia says she’s told her black son to raise his hands as high in the air as possible if confronted by a police officer. “He was looking at me so sad, like, you’re telling me to surrender. I said, ‘If you put your hands up or put your hands behind your back, they can never say you tried to shoot him.’”
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Adrienne, another of Sandy’s friends, tells her 10-year-old son not to act in fear when he sees a police officer, but gives these tips: “Move very, very slowly. Always be respectful. Say ‘yes sir.’”
Now, these might sound like decent guidelines for anyone to follow. But most white kids don’t get this talk. I know I didn’t. And I’m not looking forward to having it with my son.
There’s No Way Around the Tough Stuff
One thing I worry about is making my kids paranoid, so that they’re constantly on the lookout for racism. But again, the parents I talked to said that, for them, their kids’ safety trumps everything else.
After Trayvon Martin was killed, Askia wouldn’t let her son wear hoods for a period. “As sweet as his smile is, they’ll never see it in the rain, in the dark, with a hood on,” she says. “They’re going to see him as a six-foot-tall black man. They’re not going to see him as a baby.”
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Sandy stopped her oldest son from playing hide-and-seek with friends in the neighborhood at night. “I had to explain to him, that even though you’re a child playing a child’s game, you’re man-sized, you’re black, and you can’t run around with your hoodie on in the dark, because people might think you’re a criminal.”
It’s Important to Emphasize the Positive
When I watch the news (or worse, read comments on the Internet), it’s easy to feel like practically everyone in the world sees black kids as a threat. But that’s not true, and it’s not what I want them to think.
“I’m always reminding my kids that good exists, and if they talk to their black father or their black grandparents, they’ll hear how much better things are than they were,” Sandy says. “I want my kids to feel that the world is good and that people are good. So I do tend to focus on progress.”
“When my kid can see that the president is a brown guy,” says Gary, a friend of Sandy’s who is black and has a biracial son, “he should know there’s nothing anyone can say to him to make him feel less-than because of his skin color.”
All of This Might Change
Gary’s father suffered a detached retina at the hands of a white Alabama police officer, and he grew up seeing people hand out Ku Klux Klan fliers. But his son isn’t exposed to any of that.
“Years ago, when I talked to him about the Civil Rights Movement and slavery, he asked, ‘Why would people treat other people like that?’” Gary says. “His question was, ‘What are you talking about? How is that possible?’”
Eventually, I hope my kids (or their kids) will be able to look back at the things happening today – racial gaps in wealth and education levels, largely segregated housing and schools, etc. – and ask the same questions.
znModeratorzn wrote:
Cosell once said that as green as he is, you don’t find big men with those kinds of movement skills.Greg or Howard?
Greg.
Howard doesn’t talk to me any more.
znModeratorIf nothing else, the Washington trade got them Robinson. Yeah he’s a bit of a project, and green, but he’s a 10 year solution at LOT.
Cosell once said that as green as he is, you don’t find big men with those kinds of movement skills. He said he would one day be in the conversation for best LOTs of all time.
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December 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm in reply to: What's your "bet"? (feeling) (analysis)–Rams beat Giants? #13925
znModeratorWin this week against the Giants then go into Centurylink Stadium and destroy the Seahawks on the eve of yet another Superbowl run.
That would sorta kinda salvage something of the season.
Sorta.
I don’t know. I have not really thought much about this game since we have been eliminated and we have no chance at a winning season. I suppose it would be nice to see the defense bounce back and stop the run. It would also be nice to see if someone can step up and start projecting toward “difference maker” status. For example, it is great that Bailey shows flashes of becoming a dependable receiver but it would be great if he could start making plays that win games.
I’m just different from you guys. Once they were eliminated, I let that go. Now I watch to see them play and win. Doesn’t matter to me at all if the games “mean anything” or not.
Plus of course ending on wins is far better. I mean, just imagine the off-season suicide watch if they lose their last 3.
Now I have no idea why I have such a healthy outlook, and you guys don’t. It;s fine either way though because I don;t judge…to each his own.

znModeratorThe Rams cannot roll into next season with Bradford as the only legitimate starting QB on the roster.
Grits
Well…when it comes to that declaration, get in line.
But it depends on what you mean by “legit starting qb” cause…there ain’t a whole lot of those, and they ain’t signing a vet free agent starter.
So that really just means that they draft a guy too.
I think everyone on the planet assumes that’s what they will do.
December 15, 2014 at 10:56 am in reply to: qbs who have started for the Rams since the 1995 move #13911
znModeratorOh my bad. Thought u meant starters. In that case, u gotta include Dave Barr
Well I did mean starters…I just rolled out a variation on Germaine. That was not improvised, it was planned for him to take over for Warner during the game. Others might not have put Germaine on the list. I excluded Covington because he didn;t make it past 5 passes, though others might have counted that. You get the same number if you sub Covington for Germaine.
Btw, a fully footnoted version of this post, with graphs and charts, is available in the latest volume of Quarterly Review of NFL Minutia. That’s here: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/qbs-who-have-started-for-the-rams-since-the-1995-move/
December 15, 2014 at 3:26 am in reply to: qbs who have started for the Rams since the 1995 move #13905
znModeratorBasically you’re right. Germaine did not technically start but he came in to finish the final game in 99, at Phil.
Covington was of course pulled after 5 attempts.
So maybe Germaine and Covington can be seen as splitting a game.
Just not, you know, the same game.

znModeratorI think the Rams should just go OL in the draft ,we need a center and R&F Guards,I like Saffold but he gets hurt a lot. A dominant OL would help more than any rookie QB the Rams can draft.
I agree with that, in principle.
znModeratorDonald making run at defensive rookie of the year
By Jim Thomas
As Rams defensive line coach Mike Waufle tells the story, you had to see it to believe it when watching tape of Aaron Donald in college and at the Senior Bowl.
“I was sitting there at the scouting combine with (general manager) Les Snead and coach (Jeff) Fisher,” Waufle recalled. “We’re all sitting there together, and we’re going through the interview’’ with Donald.
“The first thing I asked him was: ‘Who taught you technique?’” Waufle said. “I was curious.”
And impressed.
NFL players spend countless hours working on technique, learning how to use their hands to fend off blockers or set them up. But Donald came out of the University of Pittsburgh looking like he’d played in the NFL for several seasons.
His technique came courtesy of Demond Gibson, Donald’s high school coach in Pittsburgh.
Donald already had much of the rest of the skill set required to succeed in the NFL: the strength, leverage and, of course, his quick first step.
“He’s extremely quick. He has one of the fastest 10-yard (dash) times that I’ve ever timed,” Waufle said.
Waufle’s always on the floor at the NFL scouting combine in February running the defensive line drills.
Donald’s 40-yard dash time itself was an eye-opening 4.68 seconds, the fifth-highest time of any defensive lineman at the 2014 combine, ends included.
The first 10 yards of that 40 is what caused Waufle to do a double take.
“I was like, ‘Oh my gosh. This is unbelievable,’” Waufle recalled. “He has that initial quickness that people have a hard time with. He’s got natural leverage. He’s extremely strong.”
All of that helps explain why Donald has made the transition from college to the NFL without a blink. And why he has to be considered a leading contender for the league’s defensive rookie of the year award.
“No question,” Waufle said. “I mean, he’s one of the better defensive tackles in the league, period, regardless of anything.”
The numbers back that up. With two games to play this season, Donald has eight sacks, more than any rookie defensive player regardless of position. Among rookies, the next-highest total entering Sunday’s games was San Francisco’s Aaron Lynch — with five. And he didn’t have any sacks in the 49ers’ loss to Seattle.
OPPOSITION TAKING NOTICE
Donald’s total already is the highest for a Rams defensive tackle since D’Marco Farr had 8½ sacks in the 1999 Super Bowl championship season. Four years earlier, in 1995, Farr had the highest sack total for a Rams defensive tackle during the team’s 20 seasons in St. Louis — 11½.
Donald also has a team-high 16 tackles for loss, and ranks third in quarterback pressures on the squad with 25. His 64 tackles is second among Rams defensive linemen to William Hayes’ 70.
With that kind of production, there isn’t a head coach, offensive coordinator or offensive line coach on the Rams’ schedule who doesn’t know all about Donald.
“He’s just a relentless rusher,” Washington coach Jay Gruden said prior to the Rams’ 24-0 victory over the Redskins on Dec. 7. “Man, he gets straight penetration, uses his hands extremely well in the pass, and really holds up in the run game.
“I think the concern of him coming out was maybe he wouldn’t hold up in the running game on double-teams and all of that, but he does a good job in the run game also. Very disruptive player, and that’s what you want from your three-technique.
“Everybody wants to talk about (Robert) Quinn and how good he is, and deservedly so. But Donald has a lot to do with that pass rush, also.”
Gruden said he was hoping Donald would somehow fall to Washington in the second round of the draft last May.
No such luck. The Rams took him at No. 13 overall.
Last Tuesday on a conference call with St. Louis reporters, Arizona coach Bruce Arians was asked what concerns him about Donald.
“Ha, ha. Everything,” Arians replied. “I like everything about him, and all of it concerns me. He’s a high-motor, very talented young guy that I was really sad to see go the Rams, ‘cause we’ve got to play him twice every year.”
Keep in mind, Donald has put up the numbers he has even though he was a rotation player for the first four games of the season, playing a fair amount but still playing behind starters Michael Brockers and Kendall Langford.
But in Game 5, the Rams’ 31-17 Monday night loss to San Francisco, Donald made his first NFL start (ahead of Langford) and has been starting ever since.
Entering this week’s home finale against the New York Giants, Donald has been on the field for 607 defensive plays. That’s second only to Quinn’s 694 plays among the Rams’ nine defensive linemen.
SMOOTH TRANSITION
Some observers wondered how the undersized Donald (6 feet 1, 285 pounds) would hold up over the course of a long NFL season. But he has shown no signs of hitting the rookie wall.
“Just the normal things, but just like any other football player,” the low-key Donald said when asked about any aches or pains. “I feel good. The season’s gone by pretty fast.”
This is a man who loves to compete and loves playing football. So much so, that showing up to Rams Park every day doesn’t seem like a job to him.
“Not at all,” he said. “Any time you get to do something you love doing with great guys — always cracking jokes with each other, having fun — it makes the day go a lot faster.”
The transition has been about as smooth as possible from college to the NFL. Of course, it helps when your technique is so good that your D-line coach instructs you simply to “keep doing what you’re doing” when you arrive.
That approach has worked well enough to put Donald in position to become the Rams’ first NFL defensive rookie of the year since linebacker Isiah Robertson in 1971. Even the modest Donald admits —for just a second or two — that’s something for which to shoot.
“That’d be an amazing accomplishment,” he said. “But right now I’ve got more games left. Right now I’m just worried about the season. After these games are over, then that’s when I’ll start worrying about that.”
znModeratorI replaced the live link in the original post with a podcast.
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Kevin Demoff on the thing we need to fix – and stuff.
He was on KMOX today, so I figured I’d give it a listen. When asked if there was a common denominator in our losses, he said, “I think the one thing that’s frustrating as a whole is there have been 4 games where you have the ball with 2 minutes or less to go down and win the game, but we didn’t convert on any of those chances.”
Also said, “You like to think that maybe if we had, you know, Sam Bradford, maybe we’d get some of those, but I don’t think it’s that. It’s learning how to win, and it’s something you wanna think you can do. We haven’t necessarily had that confidence to come back and win in a difficult situation. It goes back to the SD game. We overcame a lot of adversity … if we had found a way to win that, the confidence would have translated to other things.”
“The Seattle game is the one we need where we have to have a breakthrough.”
“We gotta fix the QB situation; we’ve gotta get that settled and get someone to play a full 16 games. That’s the key ingredient to being a playoff team – I don’t care who you are.”
znModeratorFinal results:
Manziel 10/18, 54 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTS, Cleveland 1-10 on 3rd down, 27.3 qb rating.
I would say he has a ways to go before he reaches Austin Davis standards.
Let alone Kellen Clemens.
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