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  • September 19, 2014 at 1:06 pm in reply to: celebrity ram fan #7889
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    joemad wrote:

    I wonder which RAMS message board Ty Burrell posts on?

    Sneaky.

    Nice try….Mr. Burrell.

    No one will suspect you NOW, right? Cause you asked that…..

    Right.

    z

    September 19, 2014 at 11:24 am in reply to: what's wrong with the run defense #7887
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    Winnbrad wrote:

    Mackeyser wrote:

    11 of 29 runs for zero or negative yardage.

    This run defense isn’t terrible. It has breakdowns.

    4 runs for 91 yards.

    14 of 29 for 59 yards.

    Yep. I wonder if William’s D in New Orleans had that same problem for awhile?

    The Rams stuff a lot of running plays, then get gashed for a big gain. If that happens with Murray, we’re boned…

    New Orleans is not a good example because they always had personnel issues. They ended 2009 ranked 25th, and 21st against the run.

    The place to look is Washington. In 2003, before Williams, they were 25th, and 24th against the run. In 2004, his first year, they were 3rd, and 2nd against the run. In their 1st 4 games they defensed the run very nicely.

    There’s really no pattern.

    I really think that in spite of saying it’s important to see what guys can do and not change them, he tried to change how the entire front 7 plays.

    Either they will catch on, or he screwed up.

    September 19, 2014 at 9:18 am in reply to: will the Rams defense be "fixed" enough for the Dallas game? #7883
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    So, there are 29 guys from that 53 man 2011 roster still in football…now?

    Cuz…that just doesn’t make sense. May be true, but doesn’t make sense.

    I don;t know about NOW. I did it through 2013. And, it’s not 29 starters.

    I went over it again and corrected a mistake. Of what I take to the be original 53–it’s now 28 in football, 7 who left either because of injury or walking away from the game in spite of offers.

    Okay. Here are the 28 guys still in football as of 2013, compiled from (my best estimate of) the 2011 week 1 53-man roster…based on this source http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/2011_roster.htm (which lists 71, including the in-season injury replacements). Present starters or key role players bolded (I also count them as starters if they WERE starters in 2013 but got injured).

    Amendola
    Bajema
    Bannan
    Bradford
    Brown, Josh
    Chamberlain
    Dahl, Craig
    Dahl, Harvey (original starter, injured during the season in 2013)
    Fletcher
    Gibson, Brandon
    Gibson, Gary (2013 back-up, Tampa)
    Gordy
    Hoomanawanui
    Hull (2013 back-up, Washington)
    Jackson
    Jones, Donnie
    Kehl (2013 back-up, Washington)
    Kendricks
    Laurinaitis
    Long
    McQuaide
    Mikkel
    Pettis
    Quinn
    Saffold
    Salas (Eagles 2013, Jets 2014)
    Sims
    Stewart
    Welch (back-up, Bills)

    7 who left either because of career-ending injury or because they walked away from the game in spite of having offers:

    Alexander
    Bartell
    Bell
    Brown, Josh
    Clayton
    Harris
    Robbins

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    Of the 71, the way I read it, that leaves:

    18 of the original week 1 53 who were out of football as early as 2011, though sometimes 2012.

    Some of these are gray area guys. So for example, the Rams originally kept Jabarra Williams in 2011. They then cut him. He went to Chicago, who later cut him, and the Fisher Rams picked him up in 2012. They then cut him in 2013. I count him as out of football.

    18 in-season injury replacements who, basically, were out of football already when they were signed during the season. As a rule this type isn’t going to stick around. One example of that is 2007. The Rams signed several OL that year who were out of football when the season began, and then out again after the season ended…even Linehan didn’t want them back.

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    wv wrote:

    Well if Spags won Seven games
    with No talent,
    and Fisher only wins Seven games
    with lots of talent…
    what does that mean?

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    Except they did have some talent in 2010. Not as much as 2013, but they did have some. That includes some guys who were injured or tanked in 2011.

    This “Rams had no talent in 2011” thing is only partly true. That is, they certainly weren’t THERE yet–they were not a formidable contender. But they started the year with enough to compete with. Some guys just completely tanked and were no longer really interested in football (Bell, Brown). Some guys got hurt and it drove them out of the game (Clayton could not come back from a previous injury; Al Harris and Robbins got beat up that year; James Hall was still functional but beat up and on the old side; etc.) Some were just young (Quinn for example). There were the legendary 2011 injuries. Also, of course, there was the combination of McD and no off-season.

    In week 1 the 2011 roster was better than later conversations would have you believe. I think part of the “they had no one in 2011” line comes from the present regime, who of course has an interest in believing that when they took over, they had nothing and were starting over from scratch.

    September 19, 2014 at 8:50 am in reply to: what's wrong with the run defense #7880
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    I have a minor conspiracy theory. I keep reading that Langford and Brockers lost weight to offer more pass rush. Also, I think they’re playing the LBs differently this year. For example, Ogletree’s role and the techniques he’s expected to use differ from last year. If so, then, Wms wanted things a certain way. Which kind of goes against his thing where he says he wants to know what the players do instead of imposing something on them.

    September 19, 2014 at 8:36 am in reply to: will the Rams defense be "fixed" enough for the Dallas game? #7878
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    So, there are 29 guys from that 53 man 2011 roster still in football…now?

    Cuz…that just doesn’t make sense. May be true, but doesn’t make sense.

    I don;t know about NOW. I did it through 2013. And, it’s not 29 starters.

    September 19, 2014 at 2:04 am in reply to: what's wrong with the run defense #7859
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    from off the net

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    I decided to go back and re-watch every carry from Bucs RBs last week to see if I could get to the root of the issue. Not to sound too optimistic, but looking back I think the majority of the mistakes we made are CORRECTABLE.

    From re-watching the tape it is clear to me that the LBs are at fault on the MAJORITY of the big runs. DL usually puts them in good position to make plays.

    I charted 3 kinds of significant yardage I charted out of the 29 carries for 150:

    4 explosive runs (18, 18, 24, 31) for 91 yards
    4 runs for no gain
    7 runs for loss (-1, -1, -1, -2, -2, -2, -3)

    Here’s what I saw in the significant runs:

    -On 3 of 4 of the explosive runs, JL stays engaged too long w/FB &/or C. On the other run(18 yds), JL is aligned to the right side of the OL over the TE in what the D thought would be a passing down (2nd & 10). JL was unable to reach Rainey until after he shot through the hole.
    -Tree got blocked out of 2 of the explosive runs by OL, however taking LT Collins in one of those is a tall task. The other run he was involved in (24 yds), he whiffed at the LOS.
    -Dunbar was involved in 2 of the 4 explosive runs. He was washed out of the 24 yd run and didn’t have much of a chance from the backside on the 18 yard run.

    All in all I think JL played the largest part in the explosive runs out of the LBs, with Tree not far behind, and Dunbar playing fairly well (which is what you’d expect) after a so-so week 1.

    A few of my standout plays from the runs for 0 and TFL:

    -2nd & 1: Dunbar & Jenks penetrate & miss Rainey in backfield, but slow his momentum allowing Tree and Gaines to tackle him for no gain forcing 3rd and 1.
    -1st & 10: Brockers & Quinn hold the LOS on dive. Gaines and JL fill gaps nicely to tackle Rainey for -2.
    -1st & 10: Rainey runs left off of the offset I. Hayes makes a great play chasing him down the LOS from the backside for -1.
    -1st & 10: Westbrooks gets quick penetration at LE forcing M. James to cut inside where JL fills gap nicely tacking him for no gain.
    -1st & 10: 5 down lineman w/Tree lined up right of Quinn. LBs blitz. JL takes on FB, but Dunbar is unblocked making a nice hit on Rainey for -1.
    -3rd & 2: Out of shotgun McCown pitches left to Rainey. Bucs can’t seal the edge & Quinn tackles Rainey for -2 with some late help from McDonald. I can’t believe VJax tried blocking Quinn!!! Lol
    -1st & 10: Mankins doesn’t have a prayer vs Donald as he EXPLODES off the snap, swimming past him as Rainey runs left out of the offset I. Donald pounds Rainey for -3. Sims had good penetration & Tree came hard backside as well.

    Let me just say that Donald was INSANE when he got PT, making the older but savvy vet Mankins look silly on several occasions. He officially had 2 TFLs, but also played a role in forcing another run for no gain.

    I think if we can just clean up some of our miscues from last week that we can have a good week (70-110 yds) vs Murray. We held well against AP in week 1, even if we did have TMac coming down frequently. Its just a matter of becoming more CONSISTENT and MINIMIZING those explosive runs. We have so much talent in this front 7 that ANY game could be our breakout game vs the run. I think we can do it and our guys will be up for the task!

    September 19, 2014 at 1:13 am in reply to: It's early but PFF ranks some Rams high #7857
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    QB controversies aren’t fun, but sometimes the reason you have them is because someone steps UP

    I’ve used this line before but what the heck.

    To (mis)quote Young Frankenstein, “a qb controversy is an ugly thing! And I think it’s just about time we had one!”

    September 19, 2014 at 1:09 am in reply to: Rams need to step up running game/PD #7856
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    Harkey isn’t just one of the toughest Rams…he’s just one of the tougest.

    Not sure I followed that sentence. Edit? x

    Not sure it;s good for the board to have a mod who writes sentences that sense make potato green not cannister. Ya know?

    September 19, 2014 at 1:02 am in reply to: will the Rams defense be "fixed" enough for the Dallas game? #7855
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    That team was SO devoid of talent that within just TWO years (and we thought the Linehan teams were bereft of talent…which they were…) that of the 53 on the active roster in 2011, not including the injury subs, more than 40 weren’t just off the Rams roster by 2013…they were out of the entire NFL.

    I’ve actually explored those numbers. They get repeated a lot so taken on faith. If you look at them, they’re not accurate. Or they’re misleading.

    Bear in mind that the 2011 Rams was mostly the product of massive injuries. LIke, 10 CBs and (according to Football Outsiders), the single most injured offense since 2002.

    Under those conditions they were forced to sign a lot of guys out on the street who were already out of football. For example, they didn’t even carry 10 CBs…losing 10 to injury meant having to replace more than they ever had on the roster.

    As a rule, in-season injury replacements don’t get kept after the season. That’s true even if it;s the same coaching staff.

    The number I heard no longer in football who were on the 2011 roster is 30 something (you hear a slightly different number every time). Of those–and I broke it all down once–several were driven out of the game by injuries (Clayton, Harris, a couple of others), 2 had offers but left the game (Brown, Bell) and 16 are out of the game or were by 2013 (16 or so, this is memory–meaning, remembering who was on the roster originally and who were in-season injury replacements.)

    So how many players were there who were on the original week 1 53 and were still in football at least through 2013, with the Rams or anyone else?

    This is hard to do. The 2011 roster lists 71 guys. Many of those were in-season injury replacements, and I don’t count those. Rarely if ever do in-season injury replacements stick around. They’re already out of football when you sign them, or they would not be available.

    By my quick count–it’s about 29. That’s 29 of the original week 1 53.

    How many left the game because of injuries or (like Bell and Brown) had offers but did not return to fooball? 6.

    So of the original 53, I count 35 who were either (1) still in football as of 2013, or (2) (a) out of the game cause of career-ending injuries, or (2)(b) left the game in spite of offers.

    That leaves about 18 who were on the original 53 (I think) but were no longer in football as of 2013.

    So by my quick count, if you leave out in-season injury replacements, of the original 53 from the week 1 roster, 29 are still in football, 6 (like Clayton or Harris) are out cause of career-ending injuries…or left the game in spite of having offers. 18 of the original 53 were just out of football as of 2013 (and earlier–2011 in fact).

    So in fact if you just look at the original week 1 53-man roster, the number who were just cut and out of football–without career ending injuries–is 18.

    More are still IN football (29).

    September 19, 2014 at 12:21 am in reply to: Assessing the trade market for RG III #7844
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    Yeah I don’t want him.

    The fact that they could spend that much on him and then consider unloading him? Speaks volumes.

    And THIS is just nonsense:

    look for teams like Tampa Bay, St. Louis and Houston to emerge as the likeliest suitors in trade talks for RG III.

    No way on earth St. Louis trades for him.

    That;s just a sports writer sitting at a desk meeting a deadline without actually knowing anything.

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    September 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm in reply to: audio – Bruce on 101 (discusses Quick), Ogletree on 101, Vermeil on 920 #7837
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    Dick Vermeil
    Thursday, September 18, 2014

    September 18, 2014 at 10:27 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7835
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    I don’t recall posting this as an informal poll. I would appreciate the Admins not editing my posting titles.

    Grits

    We do it to posts all the time, including our own, to keep the board flowing. All that is, is, combining scattered posts on the same topic into more active group threads, and sometimes the thread title has to be changed to signal that. (I also sometimes move posters’s posts that are buried/hidden in long news and video threads, and start new threads with them.) The idea is just to facilitate conversation. Near as I know, folks are okay with that practice, but you spoke up, so I will respect that. If you would prefer never having a post title changed to accommodate combining posts into more active threads, what that will mean in effect is that we will never use a post of yours as the first one in a thread. If that’s what you would prefer, that’s fine.

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    September 18, 2014 at 9:40 pm in reply to: Fisher – Hill's the starter #7819
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    wv wrote:

    Anybody think Austin Davis will have
    as good a game against Dallas
    as he had against Tampa?

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    v

    I think at this point, every game contains surprises. Of all kinds. Who for example knew that McDonald was a multi-tasking, game-changing monster.

    September 18, 2014 at 9:22 am in reply to: 101 – 9/17… John Clayton, Wagoner on Bailey #7777
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    Will Stedman Bailey get some snaps on Sunday? Nick Wagoner tells us

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    How much action will Rams WR Stedman Bailey see on Sunday? Nick Wagoner talks to Randy Karraker on 101ESPN. All are disgusted that TJ McDonald didn’t get NFC Special Teams Player of the Week. Nick gives an injury update. Bailey will definitely be on special teams and with Tavon Austin out, get some snaps on offense. Wagoner thinks the Rams won’t push it with Hill with the bye week coming up.

    September 18, 2014 at 8:26 am in reply to: Fisher – Hill's the starter #7765
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    http://rams.247sports.com/Bolt/Davis-could-get-another-start-at-QB-for-Rams-31259384

    Sure looks like it is Davis again this week to me.

    Grits

    But we knew that Grits. Before today. c

    FISHER ON WEDS:

    On how the quarterback reps were distributed)
    “ Austin (Davis) took 95 percent of the reps and Shaun (Hill) did a little bit of stuff. We’re just going to be day-to-day on that. Just like I’ve said.”

    (On what he needs to see out of Hill to see if he will be ready to play on Sunday)
    “More than what we’re seeing right now. Again, this is about not setting him back so we don’t want to put him in position out here on the field to where we’re risking setting him back. He’s day-to-day and we’ll see where it goes.”

    So right now, same as yesterday, Hill is the starter but out while healing, Davis is the back-up taking his place. That makes sense for the Dallas game.

    If Davis is the starter after the bye, that means Fisher hedged his bets and went with Davis. Otherwise, it’s Hill. Who starts in Dallas doesn’t tell us anything either way…and frankly I don’t think anyone expected Hill to be ready yet, from an injury standpoint. It is now, and always has been, the Eagles game after the bye that tells us if Fisher is sticking with Hill as the starter or changing his mind. So either way he’s not changing his mind (if he does) until after the Dallas game. Personally I doubt he will change his mind after Dallas, regardless how that game goes. But that’s just an opinion.

    September 18, 2014 at 1:02 am in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7743
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    He played okay, but Long was missed. Hayes is best when he’s used in that Justin Tuck, inside/outside 5th DL role. That’s his BEST role. He did okay. There were times that he didn’t hold contain and the run D suffered in Long’s absence.

    I was afraid of that.

    September 18, 2014 at 1:00 am in reply to: Our defense is a fraud. #7742
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    rfl wrote:

    I guess I am old Ram fan who learned to understand the game watching Deacon and Merlin and Isaiah and Jack, and I refuse to accept a Ram defense this soft.

    Do you personally think it can improve? (I do, myself.)

    Wagoner was on 101 and talked about talking to JL. JL watched film on the game on the plan coming back from Tampa. Interestingly, he thought they gave up a lot on 2nd and long, when guys would get too undisciplined.

    September 18, 2014 at 12:45 am in reply to: Stedman to be re-instated ……. #7733
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    from de l’Internet

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    Yuma Ram

    Bailey and Hines Ward both drafted in the 3rd round …Ward had 14 catches as a rookie Bailey had 17. Style of play is about the same.

    Ward was a great football player that happened to be a wr. Bailey is also a football player first. He does not have the wr diva gene that others have or had.

    September 17, 2014 at 11:51 pm in reply to: qbs? so…how many do they have? #7730
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    Let’s not forget that Hill makes throws that Davis doesn’t. That was apparent live. Davis can hit certain routes, but they didn’t even ASK him to throw certain balls that they feel comfortable asking Hill to throw.

    Can you expand on that?

    I have been in other discussions, where I say there are throws they don’t ask Davis to make (like deep sideline passes or deep digs or deep outs).

    That’s what I thought I saw anyway.

    September 17, 2014 at 9:18 pm in reply to: Quinn signs #7712
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    zn wrote:

    Speaking of the cap.

    Finnegan made the Dolphins final roster.

    So…Rams get their 3 M, right?

    I don’t think the Cap Sites have credited that yet.
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    I think Thomas said somewhere that the Rams get that credit next year.

    Yeah I wasn’t clear.

    I meant, I don’t see it credited for next year yet, on the sites.

    I was suggesting that the sites haven’t kept up with it.

    September 17, 2014 at 9:16 pm in reply to: qbs? so…how many do they have? #7711
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    Hill is an overrated piece of crap. Sorry, just gotta call’em as I see them.

    Grits

    Me too. I call em as I see em too.

    And, I don’t agree. x

    Which is fine. This ain’t no 4 o’clock old ladies tea party. Sometimes folks disagree.

    September 17, 2014 at 9:03 pm in reply to: Fisher – Hill's the starter #7705
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    GreatRamNTheSky wrote:

    The title on this posting is very misleading. Fisher did not come out and name Hill the starter this week as of yet.

    Grits

    No what he did come out and say is that he is not going to rush him back.

    Hill is the starter as soon as he is ready. He HAS said that. He also said he’s not going to revisit it, and the decision is final. But it just depends on what he comes back…and that’s probably after the bye. Not this week. But then that was expected.

    September 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7702
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    If the Rams go 2-1…that’s an in-season winning record. When was the last time the Rams had an in-season winning record?

    They were 3-2 after the Washington game on Oct 4, 2012.

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    September 17, 2014 at 8:21 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7697
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    Well, the Bucs blatantly held Quinn all game long. I mean, some of the holds involved literally hugging him once Quinn was passed… no call.

    So, hopefully the Rams get more consideration at home than they did at Tampa… ‘cuz that was just wrong. Play the game and call it straight up. If it means 20 sacks and going through 4 QBs because OLs can’t block, then do that. Change the rules or whatever. But don’t NOT call fouls or only call them sporadically… That creates a game without legitimacy or integrity.

    You wuzz at the game. Did you notice much about Hayes? I am wondering about him, because he got NO reps over the summer.

    September 17, 2014 at 8:14 pm in reply to: Building An NFL Team From Scratch: Which 10 Would You Pick? #7693
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    I TOTALLY missed on Gerald McCoy. I thought he had BUST written all over him.

    I did too. In college, I thought he just shot blind into the backfield. No instincts for what the play was or where the ball was. (Unlike Donald, who has both things.)

    Guess you can be coached out of that.

    September 17, 2014 at 8:12 pm in reply to: Quinn signs #7692
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    Speaking of the cap.

    Finnegan made the Dolphins final roster.

    So…Rams get their 3 M, right?

    I don’t think the Cap Sites have credited that yet.

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    September 17, 2014 at 6:37 pm in reply to: Will the Rams beat Dallas? Informal poll #7683
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    Mackeyser wrote:

    If the Rams can contain DeMarco Murray, then things look really good for them.

    I think they really didn’t want anything deep by the Bucs and they succeeded. Other than one 20yd pass to Vincent Jackson, there was nothing and there wasn’t even an attempt at a 30+ yard pass. So, if the Rams wanted to keep the Bucs on the ground and essentially take Jackson and Evans out of the game… they did.

    Now, I’m sure the Rams will probably focus on Murray more than they focus on Dez Bryant because Murray can not only take over a game, but also the clock. When the Rams focused on AP, they held him to 85 yards on 17 carries and he gashed the Rams ugly, too. So, we’ll see.

    I like the Rams in this game.

    Plus, I won’t be wearing my Warner jersey which I’m clear now is ONLY for wearing to the stadium… so no jinxing the team…

    Murray’s good…but it’s that OL that makes them SO good.

    Last game was a bad one in part because their OL handled the Rams DL. Partly by cheating, but still (reportedly they would grab the triceps of Rams DL players and hang on).

    September 17, 2014 at 5:03 pm in reply to: Stedman to be re-instated ……. #7673
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    samitsroy

    For what it’s worth – I met E.J. Gaines at a restaurant recently and he told me Stedman Bailey was the best receiver on the roster.

    September 17, 2014 at 1:25 pm in reply to: Stedman to be re-instated ……. #7657
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    just some background/context for that

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    Five players to be reinstated

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11535705/five-nfl-players-reinstated-new-drug-policy

    The NFL and the players’ union are close to finalizing the drug policy changes they tentatively agreed upon last week.

    Union spokesman George Atallah told The Associated Press on Monday that the “drug policies are currently getting finalized.” League and NFL Players Association attorneys and officials are reviewing the documents and could approve them this week, but ESPN’s Chris Mortensen and Adam Schefter report approval is likely to occur in the next 24 hours.

    Upon agreement of the term sheet for the new drug policy, Broncos receiver Wes Welker, Rams receiver Stedman Bailey, Cowboys defensive back Orlando Scandrick, Giants lineman Eric Herman and former Vikings defensive end Spencer Nealy will be reinstated, sources tell Mortensen and Schefter.

    Josh Gordon and former Colt LaVon Brazill will have their season-long suspensions reduced to 10 games. Gordon continues to be allowed to work out at the Browns’ training facility.

    Those seven names are part of the estimated 20 who will be affected by the new policy once it is approved by the NFL. Those other players’ names will remain confidential under the policy. The players are not being reinstated but moved into different stages of the program based on retroactive adjustments.

    Hours after the union voted Friday to accept the NFL proposal on changes that included HGH testing, the league said it was not a done deal. Further discussions have taken place since then.

    Player representatives to the union also voted for changes to marijuana testing, classification for amphetamines, punishment for driving under the influence, and neutral arbitration on appeals.

    Testing for human growth hormone was originally agreed upon in 2011, but the players have balked at the science in the testing and the appeals process for positive tests. If the proposal they voted on Friday is put into action, testing would begin for this season.

    The player reps also approved an increase for the threshold for positive marijuana tests. Some players have complained that the NFL threshold of 15 nanograms per milliliter is so low that anyone within the vicinity of people smoking marijuana could test positive. The threshold was increased to 35 ng/ml in the league’s proposal.

    A two-game suspension would be issued for a player convicted of driving under the influence. But an NFL proposal to immediately suspend a player, owner, coach, team executive or league employee for a DUI arrest was rejected by the union.

    The players approved arbitration for appeals under the substance abuse and the PED policies. The NFL and NFL Players Association would hire between three and five arbitrators.

    The league and the union also would retain independent investigators to review cases in which player confidentiality under the drug policy had been breached. Punishment for leaks could range up to $500,000 and/or termination of a job.

    September 17, 2014 at 12:29 pm in reply to: Laram on Tru vs Gaines #7649
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    laram wrote:

    IF 71% comp % against the likes of McCown and Cassel is better…the Rams are in trouble.

    They’re better LA. You can see it. And that’s with a rookie starting.

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