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September 24, 2014 at 11:34 am in reply to: Huddle Pick’em Entry Form: where is the link? need to catch PA RAM! #8386
znModeratorhttp://theramshuddle.com/huddle-pickem/
Yeah it’s up there in the toolbar to the right of the chat room.

znModeratorif all those guys are productive together–which they seemed to feel was possible and perhaps likely–what that means is that Sam would be having a killer year. Sam offers the difference between a nice running game last year and a nice running game combined with a nice play action passing game yielding something special.
When I look at our offense, I see no one player or dimension that stands out. The running game is good, but we don’t have Adrian Peterson. Our TEs have some real virtues, but none will make the top 100 players. Our OL is much stronger and has some depth, but there is currently no reason to expect it to be elite. (I would love to be wrong about this.) The WRs have some pieces, but no studs. Even Tavon is dependent for top productivity on the rest of the O pulling defenses out of shape to open up space.
Nope–the only hope we have of a Top 10 offense is that Sam catalyzes a bunch of nice but not elite parts and creates a killer synergy. If he can do that, we’ll have a special offense and team, and he will have broken out … leaving the criticisms in his wake.
Turns out, IMO, that is all happening. The synergy thing on offense. They use a combination of the different WRs, the TEs, the running game, play action, ball control passing, and taking shots–and that combination blends together into a pretty good offense with the ability to get better.
What no one foresaw is that they are doing it first (and briefly) with the #2 qb and then with the #3 qb.
znModeratorRams43
After re watching the game…here are some things that stood out that I overlooked while watching the first time live…
Lance Kendricks quietly had a nice 6 catch game. We need to find a way to keep him next year.
Cook blew that dropped TD pass and screwed up on the sideline, for sure. But he overcame that and played hard thereafter, finishing with 7 catches for 75 yards. Our TE’s are definitely helping Davis and our O overall.
The OL played even better than I had at first thought. Even Wells, other than that botched snap. This OL can be a good one.
Austin Davis is a find. We’ve GOT to give this kid some more starts. He more than did HIS part.
Stacy should get the lions share of the snaps. At least 60% plus. I really like Bennie and Watts, but Stacy is our beast in both running plays and he is a runaway truck on screens.
Our passing game seems now to be quite efficient. Both long and short, plus screens. WR’s, TE’s, and RB’s all contributed. And it’s balanced with 8 different receivers catching passes.
Not crazy about Givens on KO returns, or Pettis on PR. Surely we can do better?
The zebras have been discussed by others, but it was still gut wrenching to see some of those calls. There needs to be a way to ding a ref on blatant non calls and incompetent calls made. As in a pocketbook ding.
How does the “best front 7 in football” not get any sacks or more pressure against a 34 year old QB with a bad back? ESPECIALLY when playing with a 21 point lead in the 2nd quarter? Sheesh!
GZ and Hekker continue to do fine jobs on ST for us. I’ve become guilty of almost taking them for granted, and I shouldn’t.
Clearly, Fisher and GZ need to burn the midnight oil to fix this sputtering D. Might require a complete philosophical overhaul ala our O last year after the first 4 games. What GW is attempting just ain’t working. He’s neutered our front four.
znModeratorGood as usual. I enjoy these. I think we should put you on regular salary.
znModeratorI said positive and negative things about Schottenheimer in that paragraph that covered more than just one play. As for the play, I thought Hitchens got through because Saffold missed him, and mentioned it in the o-line rundown, but vaguely, not being very sure. So I wasn’t completely clueless about execution issues on the play, and wrote about it well before knowing Jeff Fisher’s explanation of the play. Not knowing for sure that Saffold had blown the block doesn’t change my opinion that a QB sneak would have been a better call. You don’t need to pull one guard and need the other to make a second-level block to gain an inch. These are some of the complications that lead to the conventional wisdom not to call a slow-developing handoff in that situation, I expect.
YouTube can’t vouch for the safety of the Shurmur Shovel for me because the play wasn’t part of the Rams’ 2010 offense and they hadn’t run the play all season. For them that was a gadget play. Including the idea of keeping things simple at the goal line, it flew in the face of several pieces of conventional wisdom and even common sense (and I’m not counting relying on Adam Goldberg to make a block). You want to come away with points down there, run plays you know you can run. Steven Jackson in his prime and the Rams don’t give him the ball on two plays from the two yard line. Bad luck for Shurmur, sure, because he had Atlanta completely faked out. But I’ll always feel that play’s a ladder he easily could have walked around instead of under.
–Mike
I actually believe that all coordinator complaints based on individual plays are bogus, no matter who does them.
(BTW I wasn’t thinking of you when it came to the shovel pass issue–that was a debate among posters. People were saying, no you just never ever run that play in the redzone, and of course, people have and do. That one too was execution. I brought it up because folks here might remember it. And I stand by that. There’s absolutely nothing rare or uncommon or strange about running a shovel pass inside the 10. I did a lot of work then to pull up the info–mostly it was using the search terms “Shovel pass” and “endzone” on google and then when examples came up, seeing if there were game highlights on youtube. I just pulled up some google examples just now, including one by the Chiefs and one from the Broncos, both last season. To me any explanation about why they’re supposed to be inherently bad by any of US is just completely wiped out by the fact that they work in real games.)
A couple of weeks ago, Cosell was on 920 talking about the Vikes game, and the host tried to get Cosell in on coordinator complaints, and he would have none of it. His response was that basically, if a play doesn’t work it’s supposed to be a bad call…and that’s all that ever amounts to. So to me, even recommending a sneak is just more of the same. That’s not aimed at you, and it’s not personal, it’s just a pet peeve–all over the net, we see the “it failed I would have called this instead” syndrome, and I never hear it as legit analysis or criticism. So for example if I look at what Fisher says, and ask why they ran what they ran, it’s because they thought they could bust it for a gain or score. That’s completely a judgement call. All that means to me is that at some point, that tendency or impulse to run one kind of thing as opposed to another kind of thing will pay off.
To me, coordinator complaints only make sense when they’re inclusive and long term. That is, when they have to do with tendencies across time. And when it comes to that, I think most complaints about Schott are iffy. I think he’s a good coordinator, and for some reason that doesn’t register with a lot of people, and I find that frustrating. That’s an interesting debate to have in general. Still, I am pretty much with Cosell on failed individual plays. From everything I see, it really gets down to “if it didn’t work it must have been the playcall,” and then people who are frustrated by a loss will vent.
And the truth is, I never buy the explanations for why the call is inherently bad and what should have worked instead. No matter how well informed, football savvy, or whatever. The way I see it, it’s just the wrong impulse from the get-go. All I really learn about in those exchanges is the playcalling tastes of the critic. The way I am built, I am more interested in figuring out the tendencies and approaches of the coaches themselves. So I find it interesting that on that play Fisher’s first impulse was to run a play that had a chance to bust a big run. Football being football, that works too. If he had the impulse to simply take the 3, that impulse will be there on other plays — not even just plays within the 20. Meaning, if he had the general tendency to call the safer play, it would show up in all kinds of ways throughout a game, and that to me simply means there will be other times where they will follow THAT imperative to take the simple, direct approach, and football being football it WON’T work or will backfire or not pay off a fair percentage of the time too. You run what you run, you play the way you play, and football being football, no matter which imperative you follow, it will fail sometimes. The only lesson I draw from that is that if it’s not one thing, it’s another.
Anyway you should not take this exchange as aimed at you in a personal way–folks on this board know this kind of issue is an old motif of mine. I just used one remark by you as a springboard. I wasn’t harping…it something that virtually always occurs to me around issues like this. I like that it led to discussion. Join us more often, we’re a good bunch.
September 24, 2014 at 12:11 am in reply to: Where they stand in the bye week–Wagoner, Thomas, etc. #8361
znModeratorFisher says a healthy Hill still the starter
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/12021/fisher-says-a-healthy-hill-still-the-starter
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The question is not going to go away anytime soon and with the St. Louis Rams on bye week, it will almost certainly persist for at least the next two weeks.
But Rams coach Jeff Fisher was asked once again Monday whether Austin Davis had done enough to supplant Shaun Hill as the starting quarterback. His response was familiar.
“We’ll see how things go this week,” Fisher said. “We’ll see how Shaun is, but as I’ve maintained Shaun is our starter and Austin is our backup.”
Hill, of course, is still recovering from a thigh injury. But it’s interesting to note that Hill’s thigh was healthy enough for the Rams to keep him active as the No. 2 quarterback against the Dallas Cowboys last week. What’s more, the Rams named third quarterback Case Keenum a pregame inactive, meaning had something happened to Davis, Hill would’ve been the only option.
Fisher offered an explanation for that Monday also. Well, sort of.
“We kept him up as the two because I felt like he could finish a game out of the shotgun,” Fisher said. “But he’s not ready to go under center yet.”
With Hill as the backup, Davis again made a strong statement that he should continue to start so long as he keeps performing at a high level. He was 30-of-42 for 327 yards with three touchdowns and two interceptions.
That performance impressed Fisher.
“I thought he had a pretty good day,” Fisher said. “Threw the ball around, moved around, avoided sacks in the pocket. I thought he played, like I said last night, good enough to win, but you got to see where you’re cutting that ball loose and he didn’t. He cut that ball loose, he got some pressure and cut it loose. Interception for a touchdown is not a good thing. It happens, but overall I thought he played a little bit better than he did last week.”
Fisher also indicated Monday that Hill is nearing a return to full health. But whether he wants to speak publicly about it or not, there is a decision that will have to be made at some point before the Rams next game against Philadelphia on Oct. 5.
Despite his insistence to the contrary, the hunch here is that Fisher will indeed take this bye week to see how Hill has progressed and consider who his starter will be moving forward. Until someone other than Davis starts for the Rams, there’s no use in getting upset over milk that hasn’t yet spilled.
znModeratorSeptember 23, 2014 at 11:52 pm in reply to: Dallas game post-mortems, from Wagoner, Thomas, Karraker, etc. #8356
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September 23, 2014 at 9:38 pm in reply to: 101, 9/23 – Wagoner w/ Karraker & Farr; & Sando; + Thomas on 920 #8347
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znModeratorMIKE: From time immemorial, the worst thing to call in that situation has been a slow-developing run. Hell, the Cowboys barely even had anyone lined up over LG; Davis could have fallen down for a first. But no, let’s pull with slow Joseph and open up a lane for the LB to burst through while we do what looks like a delayed handoff to Stacy. I’m fine with the Rams going for it there, but they needed a much better play call.
FISHER: It was the play we needed. It wasn’t blocked properly. (G) Rodger (Saffold) was supposed to seal the run-through on the middle linebacker and he didn’t. He stayed down on the three-technique. It’s potentially a big play. It was a mistake.”
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I see this all the time. A playcall complaint that begins by saying what you never, ever do…according to the True Football Guide to What You Never Do. And, invariably, when you find out more, it’s an execution issue fans can’t see because they don’t know assignments. This is one reason I just don’t judge a coordinator by boiling the discussion down to a single play. One of my favorites from years ago was a badly blocked shovel pass in the redzone that got blown up. The OC was Shurmur. The discussion centered on the fact that you never, ever, ever, EVER run a shovel pass in the redzone–it’s unthinkable, it’s not done. And then Thomas wrote the play up and it turns out a blocker blew an assignment. Plus it was easy to find examples on youtube and in google searches of teams successfully running shovel passes in the redzone. In the end the entire genre of “true footall knowledge tells us this play in this situation is never never called” is bogus, and best avoided; and the whole idea that you can judge a coordinator based on your read of one play is also always bogus. If you try the one key play analysis of a coordinator, you usually end up just begging the question about execution issues. Most complaints about Schott I see, for example, just routinely fail to separate execution issues from playcall issues.
September 22, 2014 at 10:57 pm in reply to: A QB controversy and a Tight-End controversy: game reactions #8278
znModeratorzn wrote:
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I agree with what Fisher says here.–
When you look at it, it comes down to four or five plays on both sides of the ball. The three turnovers on offense were costly. It’s difficult to win when you turn it over three times against an explosive offense like the Cowboys. Then defensively, we had three or four plays, one play in particular, the touchdown pass on the communication issue in the coverage. It’s hard to overcome those type of things.
Yes.
I would add, though, that that was the case last year, too. And that most of us thought that this year the Rams would be on the right side of those plays 3 or 4 times out of 5.
That’s just nitpicking.

znModeratorI’m not just looking at the Dallas game, though–I’m talking about the first three games.
There has been no real pressure on Romo, McCown or Cassell. For all the exotic blitzes that Williams wants to pull out of his toolbox, the end result has been less than thrilling. In fact they did get some outside pressure on Romo but then he took one or two steps forward to a wide open space. How does that happen? It happened many times. If I’m Greg Williams I make sure it stops happening. I make sure that when he steps up he meets somebody. I have no idea what he needs to do but he should know.
Still, despite that AND game planning against them, the Rams are not getting beat because of the pass.
They have an inability to contain the run. It’s killing them.
They shut down Murray and shut down Murray and suddenly….boooom. He’s gone. 44 yards.
They hold Peterson to 75 yards and Patterson runs one for 67 yards.
Rainey had a 31 yard run for Tampa.
Teams don’t need to hit the big pass play against them–they can just be patient–feed the running back and sooner or later–booom. They’ll get the big play.
Yes–I’d love to see sacks and all that good stuff–but that isn’t what’s killing this team right now. The problem is consistent and it’s the run defense. Dallas started their comeback because Garrett adjusted to more inside runs and Murray got going.
Williams is not adjusting very well.
I believe this team is better than 1-2. They aren’t playing like it.
Whether it’s poor play one week(poor tackling) poor scheme another–whatever–the coaches have to sort this out and correct it–but it’s 3 games in. If they do improve–if they do figure it out, it’s still a coaching issue that they weren’t prepared from the start.
Well, if you remember from the chat rooms, I was saying the blitzes weren’t working. So I agree with that.
In terms of the pass rush, I suspect it’s 3 things. First, teams have had all summer to try and negate it. People say, well, they should respond with something, but it is never that simple. Second, the team may have let the “best front 7 in the game” routine–and that was coming from everyone and everywhere–go to their heads. Third, they’re still learning a new scheme, and one which unfortunately includes a lot of improvisation…maybe it shouldn’t. Maybe these guys don’t have the kind of mindset to handle that.
Another factor to add is that Quinn has never gotten sacks against either Tyron Smith or Matt Kalil. That’s a total of 4 games from 2012 on. (Smith was at ROT in 2011 when the Rams played them.)
znModerator“No. It was the play we needed. It wasn’t blocked properly. (G) Rodger (Saffold) was supposed to seal the run-through on the middle linebacker and he didn’t. He stayed down on the three-technique. It’s potentially a big play. It was a mistake.”
Once again.
We sit here in electronics land, calling something coaching.
You look close, and it’s execution.
This press conference, IMO, is must read. It will be controversial, I think, but still. Personally, I think it’s all completely credible.
Another example:
(On the fumbled snap exchange from C Scott Wells)
“It was a communication issue up front. A lot of stuff going on up front. Between Scott and the quarterback changing protections, sliding protection, making sure you’ve got things picked up. Play clock was running down and Scott thought it was time to go and Austin stepped aside to change the protection because he saw something. So he actually was getting ready. He started the snap process and he tried to pull it back and he lost it. It wasn’t a presumption that he was under center, no.”September 22, 2014 at 8:23 pm in reply to: A QB controversy and a Tight-End controversy: game reactions #8267
znModerator–
I agree with what Fisher says here.–
When you look at it, it comes down to four or five plays on both sides of the ball. The three turnovers on offense were costly. It’s difficult to win when you turn it over three times against an explosive offense like the Cowboys. Then defensively, we had three or four plays, one play in particular, the touchdown pass on the communication issue in the coverage. It’s hard to overcome those type of things.
znModeratorRams Head Coach Jeff Fisher – September 22, 2014
(Opening statement)
“We spent a lot of time looking at this today and I guess the disappointing thing is that we have nearly 450 yards total offense and you score the points that we scored and it wasn’t enough. When you look at it, it comes down to four or five plays on both sides of the ball. The three turnovers on offense were costly. It’s difficult to win when you turn it over three times against an explosive offense like the Cowboys. Then defensively, we had three or four plays, one play in particular, the touchdown pass on the communication issue in the coverage. It’s hard to overcome those type of things. I think, as I said to the team and as we agreed wholeheartedly with the staff, we took a step forward. I thought we played much better yesterday than the previous two weeks, which is encouraging. We just have to continue to build from that. We’ve got some time to make some little adjustments and look at what we’re doing and get some things corrected and continue to improve. I’m also happy to report that we didn’t have any injuries of significance in the ball game, nothing that will cause anybody to miss any practice time or anything, so that was good news considering the loss.”(On if there should be as big of a disparity in the number of penalties called between two teams like there was Sunday)
“Believe me, I looked at them. I’m disappointed. We had several of them that are not fouls, probably four in particular. The (DE) Eugene Sims play is not a foul. It was a huge play. We have a sack and we have a third-and-22. If we create an incomplete pass, they’re punting out of the end zone at that time in the game, huge field position swing. So, that’s an incorrect call. Then we get the ball back in a good four-minute defensive effort. The ball is punted away and we got the ball at the 24, but we are penalized for holding on the punt return, Janoris (Jenkins), and there’s no foul there in my opinion. So, that’s a huge field position swing considering we started that drive on the 14-yard line. So I’m disappointed in that. The roughing the passer, you all saw that wasn’t roughing the passer. We understand why those things are happening because they’re expected to protect the quarterback. That was an issue. I didn’t like the hold either on (WR) Kenny Britt. I didn’t think that was a foul. The guy fell down. In addition to that, on the long touchdown pass, they pulled (DT) Kendall (Langford) down. So it should have been a holding penalty on the long touchdown pass, so that pass comes back. But again, to answer your question, the disparity? I don’t know. In my opinion, there were a dozen or so, maybe more, offensive holds that weren’t called by the Cowboys. The penalties didn’t create our turnovers. The penalties didn’t cause the interception return for a touchdown. We weren’t penalized when we fumbled the snap at midfield. We can control the things that we can control and we didn’t do it well enough to win this game.”(On if he knows how many times the Rams’ opponents have been called for offensive holding this season)
“I think we’ve had one in three games. How many have been missed? The hold that was missed on Minnesota’s touchdown pass in the end zone on (DE) Rob (Quinn), that was missed. That was a touchdown. We had the false starts that weren’t called on the touchdown last week at Tampa. Then we had this hold on the touchdown (against Dallas). So, technically we’ve had three defensive touchdowns scored against us that were improperly officiated. Again, that didn’t create a 1-2 start. We look at what we can control and I feel this team is improving.”(On if he got an explanation on Sims’ hold penalty)
“No. I’m not going to go into it. The explanation is, it’s obvious it’s not a foul.”(On how can explain the difference in the amount of penalties called from game to game)
“I’m not happy with the penalties. As of late, our penalty numbers are up, but I can make that we might have had four yesterday, instead of eight. I think we’re mindful of it. We’re working on it. We’re not allowing it to happen on the practice field. We’re coaching it better, so hopefully we’ll get some results.”(On the roughing the passer on Sims and if the rule that it has to be a forceable hit)
“Yes.”(On if he received an explanation on that call)
“Yes.”(On if he would mind sharing that explanation with the media)
“No (laughs).”(On if he agreed with the call)
“I just told you, I disagree with the call. Everybody that saw that, would disagree with that call.”(On if there is anything subconscious that could be going on with the referees when calling Rams games)
“I can’t explain it. I don’t know. They’re going to make mistakes. It’s a fast game, it’s hard to officiate. I don’t think it’s a Ram thing, it’s a team thing, or anything along those lines.”(On if there has to be restrictive movement on a hold in reference to the hold call on Sims)
“Like I said, I was hopeful last night that maybe he got the jersey number wrong and it was someone else that was holding, but he didn’t.”(On the fourth-and-1 play call that they didn’t convert and if it was because it was slow developing)
“No. It was the play we needed. It wasn’t blocked properly. (G) Rodger (Saffold) was supposed to seal the run-through on the middle linebacker and he didn’t. He stayed down on the three-technique. It’s potentially a big play. It was a mistake.”(On if that play was similar to the play call from the fourth-and-1 they had converted earlier in the game)
“Yes. We’re not shy about it…you can tell, the way we set things up in some of our runs where it’s no secret to what we’re doing and that’s ok. Good running teams do that. We just didn’t execute there. I’m sure the defense made a play…you get the first down if you block it right.”(On where the breakdown in mechanics occurred on the touchdown to Dallas WR Dez Bryant)
“It was supposed to be passed off, but it was not communicated.”(On what S Rodney McLeod can do to prevent that situation)
“He can tell the corner that he’s going to take the crossing route. He didn’t.”(On if McLeod can communicate that during the play)
“Yes. It happens, often.”(On if that is product of the defense still learning the new system)
“No, I think it was just that they recognized the splits within the coverage – that’s something that we do – and I just think E.J. (Gaines) just didn’t see it. He didn’t recognize it. We had three issues, both corners and the safety could have played it different.”(On why they would use a lot of three-down fronts when they are deep in talent at defensive line)
“We’re doing different things, showing different looks, throwing different pressures at them. We wanted to put some pressure on (Dallas Tony (Romo) and get the ball out. We did pressures. We did some doubles and things like that with them.”(On if he saw the exchange between TE Jared Cook and QB Austin Davis on the sideline)
“I was aware of it. I knew it happened on the sideline. (DE) Will (Hayes) got involved. ‘Cookie’ (TE Jared Cook) was frustrated. He was mad that he dropped that ball. That’s kind of the heat of the battle stuff, but they’re fine. They were fine immediately after.”(On having Jenkins shadow Bryant throughout the game and if that’s a sign that they trust him more)
“We’ve done it before. We did it last year. We don’t do it every week. Dez was a big part of our defensive game plan and Janoris loves those challenges, so we thought it was our best chance to win this week.”(On how CB Janoris Jenkins played)
“I thought he played well. He has the defensive pass interference call and that’s a huge play. In the play, in the blitz we asked him to cover a double move where the quarterback is to reload the ball. I can’t fault him on that because our young nickel back (S Lamarcus Joyner) took a real late, poor course to the quarterback – would have been unblocked probably would have had a sack. He certainly wouldn’t have had a chance to pull the ball down and throw it down the field. When you see one thing you just say ‘oh, that’s not good out there’ Well, there’s always a reason something happens and that’s what happened inside. Lamarcus has to do a better job on that play.”(On his thoughts on the passing of former Titans kicker Rob Bironokas)
“It came as a real shock. Very early yesterday morning I got the text. Just a very sad, sad deal. Rob was really like I said, he was a great teammate. He was fun to be around. People don’t realize everything that he did off the field in the community. He was really involved with the charity and the music industries and such. I wanted to make sure that not only his family but the Bradshaw family knew we were thinking about him.”(On QB Austin Davis)
“Gosh, I thought he had a pretty good day. Threw the ball around, moved around, avoided sacks in the pocket. I thought he played, like I said last night, good enough to win, but you got to see where you’re cutting that ball loose and he didn’t. He cut that ball loose, he got some pressure and cut it loose. Interception for a touchdown is not a good thing. It happens, but overall I thought he played a little bit better than he did last week.”(On how close a call it was to have Davis’ start before the game)
“Shaun, (Hill) it was not an issue. Again Shaun probably could have…we kept him up as the two because I felt like he could finish a game out of the shotgun. But he’s not ready to go under center yet.”(On if Davis has earned a third start)
“We’ll see how things go this week. We’ll see how Shaun is, but as I’ve maintained Shaun is our starter and Austin is our backup.”(On the second interception and if he blamed the throw at all)
“(WR Brian) Quick, he slowed down a little bit and jumped late. No, it’s a great play by the defensive back. You’ve got some time left, you’ve got a check down, we’re getting close to field goal range and you can check the ball down and continue to move the ball. Based on what happened earlier in the game, the two big plays he made earlier, he felt at that time would give us a chance to make a significant gain. I’d like to see Brian play the ball a little bit better than that.”(On the defense and concerns overall)
“We’ve got to get better against the run. We’re inconsistent. Some plays we’ll…obviously you see tackles for losses, a swarming defense and we’re giving up too many big plays in the run game. This was the first deep ball we’ve given up this year and disappointed in that. So from a deep ball standpoint we’re doing alright. I think we could improve significantly on third down. We’re not getting the turnovers and we’re not getting the quarterback right now. When you have reputation for being able to get there, people, they coach you different and they get the ball out.”(On the pass rush)
“We’re getting good pressure. Ball’s coming out because we’re forcing a shorter passing game. We’re getting pressure. We’re just not getting there. It’ll come. We’ve got the guys who can do it. Like I said, when teams know that you can rush, that’s a concern of theirs, they’re going to run the football. Obviously try and stay in manageable third down situations and not going to hold on to it. Because if you hold onto it you’re going to get hit.”(On if there are certain risks that Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams takes with the defense)
“No more so than anything we’ve done here the last couple years. We just haven’t gotten our self in a situation where we’re going to defend a two-minute drive at the end or get up significantly where people have to throw the football. When they do, then I would expect us to get some good pass rush.”(On the absence of DE Chris Long)
“I thought (DE) Will (Hayes) played much better this week than he did last week. So, of course you miss Chris but we’ve got depth here. (DE) Eugene (Sims) is playing good football right now as is (DE) Rob (Quinn).”(On what they’re going to do during the bye week)
“We’re going to…the staff is addressing in some of the things that we need to work on. Whether that’s third down or third and long defensively or the red zone stuff, or the two-minute stuff. We’re going to look at all of that. The specifics in the run game. Protections and what we’re doing defensively. And then we carry that over on to the field. We’ll do that Wednesday and Thursday. We’ll do a little bit of some things on Thursday that we haven’t been able to work on just because of the nature of the preparation weeks. Read option, we’ll start taking a look at Philadelphia. That’s typically what you do. In addition to that we’ll get some younger guys some reps. We’ll get Case (Keenum) some reps this week in the offense. Some of the younger guys. Got to get Tre Mason involved, not only more in the offense but also more on special teams, things like that.”(On the status of CB Trumaine Johnson and C Barrett Jones)
“They’re getting closer we’ll see. I think we’ve got a real good shot with (WR) Tavon (Austin). I think we’ll have a pretty good shot with Shaun (Hill) and we’ll just see where it goes.”(On the fumbled snap exchange from C Scott Wells)
“It was a communication issue up front. A lot of stuff going on up front. Between Scott and the quarterback changing protections, sliding protection, making sure you’ve got things picked up. Play clock was running down and Scott thought it was time to go and Austin stepped aside to change the protection because he saw something. So he actually was getting ready. He started the snap process and he tried to pull it back and he lost it. It wasn’t a presumption that he was under center, no.”(On what he sees from the team)
“I said earlier, I see a team that’s improving, that probably played it’s best game of the year in all three phases. That had four or five critical errors on offense and defense that cost us the game. They’re playing hard, they’re playing physical, and they’re mad. And that’s good.”
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All the 3 man fronts probably confused me more than anything yesterday.
You have an o-line that was among the leaders in sacks allowed. Romo had been sacked 7 times in two games.
Romo is coming off of back surgery and has lost some mobility and he’s an injury risk.
Why in Sam Hill would you run so many 3 man fronts under those conditions?
That was the most idiotic thing for me yesterday.
Plus, breakdowns!
They’re just not a disciplined defense right now.
If its not missing a tackle on a run, its missing a run fit or blowing a coverage.
In the Minny game it was missed tackles, and not maintaining gap integrity. Against the pass CP caught two 3rd down passes for first downs because Gaines was playing so far off.
Against Dallas same things, run fits (Murray had 77yds on 3 carries) and Williams getting cute with blitzes and the Rams not getting there. Every time you blitz it leaves opening behind them.
They get caught a LOT in the wrong defense.
Offenses seem to have a counter for Williams schemes.
Run a 3-man front with a delayed a-gap blitz, or AO is the hybrid and comes on a delayed blitz.
How original, nobody has ever seen those before.
znModeratorIf they get routed after two weeks to prepare,
I’m gonna start watching Oprah on sundays.w
vThe Eagles just might be THAT good.
September 22, 2014 at 10:53 am in reply to: This is what happens to teams that are poorly coached. #8224
znModeratorI agree that things have to get a lot worse before Fisher is on the hotseat.
znModeratorThere were some bad ones in that game.
Who has a list.
znModeratorBKCowboys
Brooklyn Cowboys Fan Tipping the Cap…
Diehard Cowboys fan here giving the Rams and all their fans a well-deserved nod of respect.
In my opinion, you guys gave us the game. You were clearly the better team yesterday. Davis (As most young backups) just got caught under the pressure of a NFL comeback with all eyes watching. Had he not overthrown his receiver this game was over. (As evidenced by marching up the field at will on us throughout the entire game).
Some people at one the boards I frequent are delusional enough to stick with the “we overcame a 21 point deficit” narrative. Not me. This offense carved us up from the start.
Best of luck going forward.
-Brooklyn
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znModeratorzn wrote:
Well yeah I think it can be defended, under the idea that they made bad mistakes last year against Dallas and improved, and will likely do the same this year. I saw breakdowns; I don’t think I saw the start to finish, every down catastrophe you did.But…you’re venting, right? So it’s not really a discussion. That’s not supposed to sound like anything. I think it was a very demoralizing loss. That doesn’t always lead to discussion. Which is fine. All part of the process.
Venting? I guess so.
But let’s not blame the victim … the disgusted fan.
Nor did I say it was a “start to finish, every down catastrophe.” That’s not the only way to badly screw up a game.
What I saw was worse. This isn’t a talentless bunch of sad sacks.
It is a team with a lot of talent vacillating wildly between results. “Breakdowns”? Yeah. I guess. Heartless, gutless, unforgivable ones. And here’s the constant:
They cannot get off the field in important drives. Case in point.
They had DAL 3 and 14 on their own 10 or so. I think it was when they had the 1 point lead.
They drop TWO interior DL into the zones and rush 2. Not a zone blitz ’cause no one else came. Two freaking guys rushing Romo.
He steps up, finds a complete vacuum, and trots for the 1 down. DAL goes on to score.
A breakdown, eh? You can call it that if you want. After almost 3 months in training, 4 PS and 3 regular season games. I guess they just weren’t sure what they were doing. They need more time, right?
You know what, man? Quality football is about being consistent. You can’t look at 1.5 quarters of containing the run, then at 2 plays which changed the game–easy 39 yards rushing–and say, “Well we contained the RB until those 2 plays …”
They count. They bloody well count. In the NFL, 6-7 big plays on offense add up to lots of points. A good defense does not simply give it up on half a dozen plays and say, “Well, we were fine apart from those breakdowns.” That’s not how the league works. You can’t do splits with stats and say, “Well, toss out those 7 plays and we were good.” That is not the way football teams learn to win. That thinking is for losers.
This defense has not yet through 7 games shown the ability to get key stops in games. It hasn’t. It stinks as a defense. It is performing at a level far below that of the offense with its 3rd strong QB and patchwork OL. It is losing games virtually on its own, and would have lost last week had Lovie not blown a time out.
Am I venting? Sure.
And part of my frustration is with the smokescreen pumped out by the HC and organization and supported by too many fans that this is a good defense that is having understandable developmental issues.
It stinks. Can we at least admit that? Can we simply say that the defensive performance yesterday, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, was unacceptable?
Except I’m not blaming you.
You weren’t being “accused” of anything. And, you know, seeing things differently…even slightly differently…isn’t a matter of someone “not admitting” something. It’s just a difference, right or wrong. If people didn’t see things like this differently, then we would only need to nominate a poster of the week to type up the consensus view while the rest of us all agreed.
September 22, 2014 at 9:32 am in reply to: This is what happens to teams that are poorly coached. #8202
znModeratorAnd by the way, his call to go for the 1 down the SECOND TIME was a massive fail. I knew it at the time. I thought, “We won’t get this a 2nd time and if we don’t we’ll lose the game.” Yep. Passing up a chance for a chip shot FG to extend a lead and slow down the team that has all but erased a 21 point lead? Ridiculous call.
I agree with that.
You can’t just make that decision by looking at the distance.
It’s more involved–like the momentum in the game. You were losing it.
I thought that was just a bad decision at the time.
But, one way to respond to the momentum issue was to take it to them on 4th and 1 and go for the TD.
znModeratorWell, let’s look at this a bit at a time. You say rushing the passer is no longer a strength. I don’t look at it that way. I see teams negating the pass rush at the gameplan level. And even that’s not what hurt them, because if another team is planning that heavily around the pass rush, then, that means they are cutting back on something else. (Plus Robert Quinn has never gotten a sack against Tyron Smith. There’s a reason Smith is so highly regarded.)
So if you look at how the D played, there were several breakdowns, some not caused by the Rams. Like McCleod letting Bryant run right by him. And some very untimely penalties that had HUGE effects. Some of those were clearly bogus.
And people complain about Murray. Tenn and SF both had good defenses last year, and Murray averaged 5+ something a carry against them. In fact it’s 51 attempts, 285 yards, which is 5.6 yards a carry…Rams allowed 100 on 24 carries which is 4.17.
So you have Murray running behind one of the best offensive lines in the game, and Rams actually did better against him than 2 defenses that were ranked higher last year than the Rams were.
Dallas is THAT tough on offense this year, but it tooks some Rams breakdowns as officiating issues for Dallas to beat them.
These are just wandering thoughts. I have no Final Conclusion. As a rule, people tell you, over the years, I don’t take bad losses as badly as many others do. (And it’s not because I think I am “more rational,” or anything like that. It’s just that my emotional make-up is slightly different over this kind of thing.) So I like to chip away at the first impression picture, and see what remains. It’s supposed to help make for good conversation.
The thing I like about good conversation is, you can never predict where it will go. September 22, 2014 at 2:21 am in reply to: Dallas game post-mortems, from Wagoner, Thomas, Karraker, etc. #8194
znModeratorDallas does not have one of the best offensive lines in the league. Uh uh.
They probably do, actually. Their OL coach is widely respected. Quinn has played against their highly-regarded LOT Tyron Smith twice now in 2 years and did not register a sack either time. Last year they were 7th in sacks allowed. Center Travis Frederick is also highly regarded. It was ranked high by various sites last year, and rightly so I think…if anything they have gotten better since last year.
znModeratorWell yeah I think it can be defended, under the idea that they made bad mistakes last year against Dallas and improved, and will likely do the same this year. I saw breakdowns; I don’t think I saw the start to finish, every down catastrophe you did.
But…you’re venting, right? So it’s not really a discussion. That’s not supposed to sound like anything. I think it was a very demoralizing loss. That doesn’t always lead to discussion. Which is fine. All part of the process.
September 22, 2014 at 12:49 am in reply to: A QB controversy and a Tight-End controversy: game reactions #8178
znModeratorNothing like a controversial loss before a bye.
If we’re lucky debate will be so multi-faceted, it won’t be able to devolve into fixed quarrels.
“Well, I partly agree with you on Hill, and partly DISagree on Davis, I don’t agree on Fisher, I agree on Schottenheimer, I think you’re half right on Williams, I somewhat disagree on Cook, plus Robinson, Stacy, and Watts, and, uh…oh yeah 4th and 1, not sure how I feel.”
September 22, 2014 at 12:39 am in reply to: post-Dallas vids: Pettis, Fisher, Austin Davis, Watts, Cody Davis #8176
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September 22, 2014 at 12:07 am in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8161
znModeratorzn wrote:
Zooey wrote:
I will say one thing about Davis. He seems to go through progressions better than Bradford does.Oh I don’t believe that for a second. Bradford went through progressions, and if anything, they have scaled back the number of options Davis has per pass play. What Davis has that Bradford didn’t is the 2014 Rams receiving corps…which is just better.
All I know is I see Davis drop back and look at two or three guys before he throws quite often, and I don’t see Bradford doing it as frequently.
Naw, we definitely don’t agree.
You know what that means, right?
Yep.
Board war.
September 21, 2014 at 10:37 pm in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8151
znModeratorI will say one thing about Davis. He seems to go through progressions better than Bradford does.
Oh I don’t believe that for a second. Bradford went through progressions, and if anything, they have scaled back the number of options Davis has per pass play. What Davis has that Bradford didn’t is the 2014 Rams receiving corps…which is just better.
znModeratorThat PA Ram is amazing. I truly am his biggest fan.

So you’re going to pretend it wasn’t the refs.
Fine.
Be that way.
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