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October 19, 2014 at 4:39 pm in reply to: Game highlight vids, including ESPN’s Sunday Blitz: Seahawks-Rams Recap #9933
znModeratorRams Special Teams Get Tricky
The St. Louis Rams special teams psychs out the Seattle Seahawks on the kick return. St. Louis Rams wide receiver Stedman Bailey runs the kick return back for a 88-yard touchdown.Rams Fake Punt Seals Victory
St. Louis Rams punter Johnny Hekker fakes a punt and throws a short pass to running back Benny Cunningham for an 18-yard gain and a first downznModeratorI remorsefully acknowledge my part in this.
znModeratorOne thing. Cosell (audio is posted) looked at that play. They ran the exact same coverage 3 plays in a row before that. Jenkins blew it on the 4th.
Cosell of course said that JJ has to be more consistent … and to me, a big huge nationally re-played game-swinging blunder like that might be just the medicine he needs.
Should it be that way? No. He should have been consistent from El Get-Go. But some guys are just like that. They need to hit a wall hard and fast before they can settle down.
znModeratorThere’s going to be all sorts of views of Fisher. I get them all, but I have a slightly different view. I think he’s the type who rebounds. He’s a rebounder. There are reboundings on the horizon.
I think averaging his win total gives a misleading picture.
His Titans teams peaked and valleyed–and it happens in clusters. Consecutive down years, consecutive up years. The issue then is what happened in the valley years. The way I see it, it actually works this way:
95-98: 31-33… avg. (less than)8-8
99-2003: 56-24…avg. (more than)11-5.
2004-6: 17-31 … avg. (less than) 6-10
2007-8: 23-9 …avg. (less than) 11-5
2009-10: 14-18 … avg. 7-9
So he took over a bad team, and had it winning after 4 years. It then had a 5 year streak where he had 56 wins and was in the post-season 4 times. It then fell apart with 3 years of 8-8 or worse. It then had a 2 year winning streak, including the playoffs with Kerry Collins at qb. Then a 2 year valley that was basically 7-9. Their record since he left (through 2013) is 22-26.
Other than taking over a bad team in 95, the best I can make out about the “8-8 or worse” seasons is that it’s personnel. Cap losses, injuries, etc.
I see this team has having HUGE execution issues. The way Cosell put this (I posted his audio) is that Williams is putting a lot on the defense in terms of reads and shifts and mental stuff, and the secondary is too young to handle it. If not for the HUGE mistakes–some caused by a first-time starter at qb (2 pick 6s in comeback situations)–this team would have a better record.
So I put it down to young players on defense in a new system (not new terminology, just a new way of playing the D) who can’t handle it yet.
There’s also some OL issues but this bunch knows how to work around those. They’ve done it before with a far WORSE OL than they have now. (2012, first 8 games: Hunter Ojinaka Turner Dahl Richardson, and every single one of those guys is now either on the bench or out of football…though with Dahl it’s injuries that drove him out).
Combine an inexperienced qb with an up/n/down OL and yet get a lot of streaks of shakey play. Combine THAT with the TEs and RBs not pass blocking, like in the SF game, and it’s even worse. That exact same group also has streaks where they excel, particularly in the 2-minute offense (Davis may be suited for that because he played a spread in college and the 2-minute hurry-up is more like that kind of offense–shotgun, etc.)
What we have on defense, IMO, is a “McDaniels” situation. Wms. overloaded the offense and it started out streaky and out of sync. But it DOES dominate for long stretches, which (to me) isn’t possible if it either lacked talent or coaching.
So I see Fisher bringing them out of this. At the LATEST, next year. Then if history holds, it will be a winning team for a few consecutive seasons.
Anyway, I think it’s misleading to average the W/Ls from Tenn.
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znModeratorJenkins takes blame, says ‘It won’t happen again’
By Jim Thomas
[www.stltoday.com]Guys, when you copy that [www.stltoday.com] thing, it’s not a functioning link.
I went ahead and put in a link in the original post in this thread via edit…cause, the net rules are, you have to link the source when you post a copyrighted article.
znModeratoralyoshamucci
The Good
1). G Rob!!!! Just a preview of what he’s going OT do the rest of the year and at OLT next year. I’m pretty happy about that. He walled Justin Smith off.
2). The Goal Line stand. Made the game worth watching in the second half.
3). Some really good playcalling starting off.
4). Really great run defense. I can’t remember a game where we held so close to the LOS.
5). McLeod is inspiring.
6). Gaines is playing a really tough position as a 6th round draft pick. Wow. I think Jenks slides to the slot when Tru gets back.
7) Donald in the backfield.
8). Mason’s fresh legs have to be taken into account. Great burst. He should NOT be in often in passing situations, but give him the ball early in the game and see what he can do.
9). Ogletree seemed more active and understanding of the game plan and run fits.
The Confusing.
10). Quinn didn’t take a bull rush or inside move all game that I saw. Just ran outside the whole time, did anyone else see that?
11). Why wasn’t Mason in more? Stacy was obviously not seeing the game right.
12). What kind of coverage on the 80 yard TD leaves a possible deep man running free? Was there supposed to be safety help?
13). What blitzing style were they doing that made Davis so skittish? He looked confused all night.
The Bad
14). Austin Davis freaked. No idea why. He stopped looking for intermediate passes and check downs like we were behind by 30, when we were down by 3.
15). Cook obviously losing his focus after the bad call, which then spread throughout the receiver corps.
The Ugly
16). Our pass rush. I think it’s Chris Long’s absence personally. Hayes seems to have hit a wall. So, if you’re going against us, you simply slide everyone left. That leaves little to no gap in Quinn’s side of the line, forcing him outside more often than not, and allowing the OLT to take a confident wide set against him rather than having to pay him straight up. But I think the wide set is exhausting him. That’s because of there being ZERO DE pressure form the other side. That’s my 2 cents.
Gonna do my draft perspective soon . . like later today
17). Jenks jumping a route in THAT situation.
18). Jake Long giving up sack strip fumbles in back to back weeks.
19). The lack of attendance or energy in the building.
20). The lack of understanding for the awful situation Fisher is in. We have to do better as fans.
Fisher took on this team because he’d get control of personnel, and because he loved Bradford. He has had three drafts, two with his own scouts in place. For a normal situation, this would be the time when the coach should start getting hammered for losses.But THIS IS NOT A NORMAL SITUATION. We are playing with our third string QB. We are getting into a new DC and have lost the heart of our D line. We have the youngest team in the NFL, again. But this is not even CLOSE to the whole situation.
We are the worst franchise in the NFL. This is the truth. Im not counting the Jags, they dont have a history, they weren’t even born when we started getting bad. We have 5 good years going back the last 25. That centered around 5 HOF players. Bruce, Holt, Faulk, Warner, and Pace.
Those years were the exception, and as fans we seem to think they are the rule.
We were gifted a dynasty, findign Warner was DUMB LUCK. Its like we won the lottery and thought we had EARNED the money. It doesnt make any sense. we were so bad at running football operations in the front office that we actually dismantled that lottery winning like a drunk would wittle away his winnings at the track because he forgot he hadnt earned the money and that it was a finite amount. Warner leaves an the team crumbles in TWO years.
We JUST got a new owner, and we have the worst fans in the country. We are a team that is likely about to move and uproot all of its players. We have more odds stacked against us than any other team except the Raiders. But they, and the Browns at least both have good fans.
We can turn our blame on anyone, but the really sad part that we have the ability to face as fans should we choose to do so, is that it isn’t anyone’s fault. The Rams are not well supported. When we look at the Titans and Jags, not well supported. Fisher and Coughlin are the only two coaches to do anything with those teams. Fisher is a great coach, and after Lineman I’m really happy to have him. I assumed before he got control that he would need 5 years. I am not sad with his progress. We can be whatever type of fans we want to be, I’m going to be supportive.
znModeratoralyoshamucci
October 15, 2014 04:14PM Registered: 4 years ago
Posts: 7,681
Status: HOF Inductee
The Psychology of losing. It’s not a joke. It’s not an easy thing to correct. Belichick was with the Browns for how many years?First off, the idea of dumping Fisher is out of the question. Besides the fact that he is one of the best coaches out there with an unreal talent staff below him, he was likely hired because he is the only coach that has successfully moved a team form one city to another. This looks more and more likely to happen. And soon. I don’t know too many coaches that can keep guys focused through losing, and bad calls, and coaching changes, and devastating injuries.
When was the last time a team let their franchise QB in back to back years?
These are excuses. They are not wins. But given what we’ve been dealt I’m happy with a few things, and realistically frightened about a few others, and I’m going to deal withb theta before AI get into the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Losing hurts. It takes serious fortitude to overcome losing, because morale is such a huge part of performance. Having no fans in the crowd, the ESPN commentators talk about how we’re going to move back to LA after 9 abysmal seasons did not kill his. Having the entire city’s focus on the baseball series going on did not. Being made fun of for our ONE sack all year didn’t.
But when Cook got the bogus PI we were reminded of the reffing abominations we’ve dealt with, and then we got sloppy, and Jenks gave up a ridiculous TD. Absolutely unacceptable.Then, after the reffing and TD, added to the lack of fans, and energy, we simply did not have enough juice to do anything but flap like a dead fish on the floor of a fishing boat for 90 minutes. That and have some pretty stout run D.
The hope I have is that we have some good strong leaders who do not get down. That is why we sign C Long and J Lau. They don’t ever stop. But they are not enough. The psychology of losing is strong. How long does each player have before they are mentally damaged by losing in the way we do, without support, on a team that may move?
I don’t believe Bradford was that strong. Never did. He sinks his head. Our WRs got a boost from Britt, but how long does that last? Cook gets lost for entire games because of his mood. Donald is a freak energizer bunny, how long does that last? Jenkins obviously is affected by our record and the futility, which is why even though he’s a played well, we may want to pull him when true gets back. McDonald I trust. Barksdale too.We have a team that is basically prone to mood swings and in need of some kind of stability. But we are in the middle of a desert with little to no support. We have to keep adding players that love the game so much that they can stay focused when everything, that is everything goes wrong. I don’t see us as having too many of those players. We have moody talent.
Looking at infusing free agents and draft picks that have a bit more fortitude so that we can build a nucleus that understands the situation the franchise is in and is inspired to be pat of the story rather than easily distracted by it’s theme. We are losers trying to become winners. Its not easy.
The Good
1). G Rob!!!! Just a preview of what he’s going OT do the rest of the year and at OLT next year. I’m pretty happy about that. He walled Justin Smith off.
2). The Goal Line stand. Made the game worth watching in the second half.
3). Some really good playcalling starting off.
4). Really great run defense. I can’t remember a game where we held so close to the LOS.
5). McLeod is inspiring.
6). Gaines is playing a really tough position as a 6th round draft pick. Wow. I think Jenks slides to the slot when Tru gets back.
7) Donald in the backfield.
8). Mason’s fresh legs have to be taken into account. Great burst. He should NOT be in often in passing situations, but give him the ball early in the game and see what he can do.
9). Ogletree seemed more active and understanding of the game plan and run fits.
The Confusing.
10). Quinn didn’t take a bull rush or inside move all game that I saw. Just ran outside the whole time, did anyone else see that?
11). Why wasn’t Mason in more? Stacy was obviously not seeing the game right.
12). What kind of coverage on the 80 yard TD leaves a possible deep man running free? Was there supposed to be safety help?
13). What blitzing style were they doing that made Davis so skittish? He looked confused all night.
The Bad
14). Austin Davis freaked. No idea why. He stopped looking for intermediate passes and check downs like we were behind by 30, when we were down by 3.
15). Cook obviously losing his focus after the bad call, which then spread throughout the receiver corps.
The Ugly
16). Our pass rush. I think it’s Chris Long’s absence personally. Hayes seems to have hit a wall. So, if you’re going against us, you simply slide everyone left. That leaves little to no gap in Quinn’s side of the line, forcing him outside more often than not, and allowing the OLT to take a confident wide set against him rather than having to pay him straight up. But I think the wide set is exhausting him. That’s because of there being ZERO DE pressure form the other side. That’s my 2 cents.
Gonna do my draft perspective soon . . like later today
17). Jenks jumping a route in THAT situation.
18). Jake Long giving up sack strip fumbles in back to back weeks.
19). The lack of attendance or energy in the building.
20). The lack of understanding for the awful situation Fisher is in. We have to do better as fans.
Fisher took on this team because he’d get control of personnel, and because he loved Bradford. He has had three drafts, two with his own scouts in place. For a normal situation, this would be the time when the coach should start getting hammered for losses.But THIS IS NOT A NORMAL SITUATION. We are playing with our third string QB. We are getting into a new DC and have lost the heart of our D line. We have the youngest team in the NFL, again. But this is not even CLOSE to the whole situation.
We are the worst franchise in the NFL. This is the truth. Im not counting the Jags, they dont have a history, they weren’t even born when we started getting bad. We have 5 good years going back the last 25. That centered around 5 HOF players. Bruce, Holt, Faulk, Warner, and Pace.
Those years were the exception, and as fans we seem to think they are the rule.
We were gifted a dynasty, findign Warner was DUMB LUCK. Its like we won the lottery and thought we had EARNED the money. It doesnt make any sense. we were so bad at running football operations in the front office that we actually dismantled that lottery winning like a drunk would wittle away his winnings at the track because he forgot he hadnt earned the money and that it was a finite amount. Warner leaves an the team crumbles in TWO years.
We JUST got a new owner, and we have the worst fans in the country. We are a team that is likely about to move and uproot all of its players. We have more odds stacked against us than any other team except the Raiders. But they, and the Browns at least both have good fans.
We can turn our blame on anyone, but the really sad part that we have the ability to face as fans should we choose to do so, is that it isn’t anyone’s fault. The Rams are not well supported. When we look at the Titans and Jags, not well supported. Fisher and Coughlin are the only two coaches to do anything with those teams. Fisher is a great coach, and after Lineman I’m really happy to have him. I assumed before he got control that he would need 5 years. I am not sad with his progress. We can be whatever type of fans we want to be, I’m going to be supportive.
znModeratorCosell discusses Davis. 1st half v. 2nd half from the SF game. Discusses Long. He’s hurting them. Robinson wasn’t too bad. Mason has feature back ability…may end up being the starter. Jenkins is up and down. They played that same coverage on the previous 3 snaps and he made a terrible mistake the 4th time. Cosell has been asked about the Rams lack of sacks “by a hundred people.” This defense makes a lot execution mistakes. The D plays fast but makes mistakes. Quinn is doing all the same things he did last year…he gets close, but no sacks. Talks about Seattle. They rely too much on deception, and Wilson improvising. When Wilson doesn’t do that…they lose. SF was able to throw on the Rams because of rookies (Gaines) and mistakes (Jenkins).
Lottsa other stuff.
This is good.
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znModeratorfrom off the net
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Quick2daSpotSeattle is probably as good as they were last year, but like most champs, they will get the best of almost all teams and they will wear out as the year progresses. In fact they are showing signs of wear already. The rams are just the opposite. Teams will overlook them. But because they are young (and talented) every game they will get better and better. (although there will be some clunkers thrown in because of the inexperience of youth). I think Fisher has shown great patience with his rookie classes, not getting down on Quick, not starting Donald and not playing Mason and Robinson. Now Quick is showing #1 receiving potential, two are starting (one of those, Donald showing pro-bowl potential-the other Robinson, just battled a future hof’r to a standstill-in his 1st start, no less) and the other(Mason, the big play potential rb) is finally in the rotation. The rams are now at another level, team wise. And will get much better than most as the rest of the season progresses. Rams 23, Seattle 19.
znModeratorzn wrote:
I am travelling. Right now I’m in the airport.
There will be responses, later. Including, observations and thoughts about football, and blocking.
For now….gotta go.
Enjoy Zooeys wedding to Nittany.
w
vI am not sure I approve.
I mean is either REALLY an actual legit Rams fan?
I mean, yeah, sure, they hang out and post about the Rams regularly, n everything, but…where’s the commitment?
Where’s the Rams Freude?
znModeratorI am travelling. Right now I’m in the airport.
There will be responses, later. Including, observations and thoughts about football, and blocking.
For now….gotta go.
znModeratorThat’s weird. Me too. You aren’t going to my niece’s wedding, too, are you?
No my daughter’s.
Wait. Is my daughter your niece?
And are you on a remote island in the great lakes?
If so…the walleye is great. The perch too.
October 15, 2014 at 2:00 am in reply to: Thots from being at the game. Momentum, heart, coaching #9738znModeratorThank you for posting that. Sry you had to see that particular game.
znModeratorI dont know. They got the three big wins last season and it did not last or carry over to this season. Why do you think that is? Is it because of the turnover in QBs?: Bradford, Clemens, Bradford, Hill, Davis?
Well, I don’t think things like that carryover. But yeah all the ups and downs at qb and so on…they might not know yet where their strengths come from.
znModeratorDidn’t Greg Williams help the
Titans defense last year?Wonder what the difference
is between that situation
and this one.I dunno.
If you take away the JJ-idiot-play,
maybe the defense didnt play bad.
Take away that play and the 49ers
only have what 17 pts off the defense.Maybe they’ve hit bottom.
Destitutus ventis, remos adhibe.
Storms make Oaks take Roots,
you know.The best way out is always
through.Constant dripping hollows out a stone.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
When it is dark enough, you can see the stars.
Self-trust is the first secret of success.
Um….Go Rams.
w
vWe’ll burn that bridge when we come to it.
Oh…wait…uh…how does that one go? (?)
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znModeratorJim Fadler @jimiramsboy
If D’Marco Farr held up on the interior then Aaron Donald can hold up also….play the kids #GoRamsJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
Last year in the playoffs I noticed that Kaep would look to his #1 and then pull it down, that has continued this year.Jim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
Harkey missed early but threw the key block on Benny’s TD #RamsJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
Austin Davis play fakes and ball handling are vastly superior to Sam’s….and I started that before the TDJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
You could clearly see the ball when Sam play faked, and he didn’t quite sell it enough…..Davis really does it #GoRamsJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
On numerous running plays Austin Davis still sells it as if he still has the ball….followed him twice on the last drive. #HiddenThingsJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
Austin Davis hangs in there so tough on 3rd down conversions…has a great sense of how far he needs…seldom completes short.Jim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
Where the hell was the safety and once again Jenkins peeks into the backfieldJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
When a team throws quick 3 step drops the Dtackles have to stay in their lanes and get their arms up. #Rams are failing on bothJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
Dtackles swinging way too wide on their rush…still way too much room in the middle of the 49er pocketJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
Rams persisting in blitzing schemes that don’t workJim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
I have thought for some time now that due to the #Rams rep for silly penalties the zebras don’t give any benefit of doubt….And will throw flags without the slightest hesitation….like on Cook last night. Are they even watching Quinn being held?
And you would think with Fisher being on the competition committee it would be the opposite…flags have followed him everywhere
Jim Fadler @ jimiramsboy
I have come here to kick ass and fix the #Rams….and I am fresh out of ideas to fix the Rams…#WhatToDo?znModeratorzn wrote:
I think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.
I just have to disagree with this.
There is no way on earth Jenkins is supposed to play it the way he did. He blundered and hugely. Who is supposed to anticipate that happening? It’s like, you’re not supposed to text while driving during rush hour. If you text while driving during rush hour, I won’t be sympathetic to the idea there should have been a traffic cop there to warn the other drivers.
I know the ESPN talking heads tried to put this one on Wms but I just saw that as them shamelessly exonerating Jenkins for a basics 101 level dumb dumb dumb play.
There’s reason why SF called that play right before half… they knew there would be no coverage over the top… at it burned JJ with no help over the top.
Yet if Jenkins played it right there would have been no play and it would have been a dumb call.
So! See? See what you get? See what you get when you start…
…a board war?
znModeratorzn wrote:
I think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.
I just have to disagree with this.
There is no way on earth Jenkins is supposed to play it the way he did. He blundered and hugely. Who is supposed to anticipate that happening? It’s like, you’re not supposed to text while driving during rush hour. If you text while driving during rush hour, I won’t be sympathetic to the idea there should have been a traffic cop there to warn the other drivers.
I know the ESPN talking heads tried to put this one on Wms but I just saw that as them shamelessly exonerating Jenkins for a basics 101 level dumb dumb dumb play.
Jenkins may have screwed up but why put him in the position to screw up–because if he does–it’s 6 points.
A good DC does not let that happen.
Chances are? Because they were covering for something else we don’t know about.
And you’re not supposed to think “hey wait I have to account for the fact that a veteran player who has been doing well this year will make the single dumbest mistake a player could make in this situation.”
Last year everyone was complaining because they used too much cover 2 and didn’t man-up the corners. Now that they do what we ask, we put fantastically bad execution errors on the coaches?
znModeratorI think what they can do is line up someone to play the safety position. SF has had great success against this Gregg Williams scheme, even during the bounty gate era. There was no friggin safety in position to make a play last night…. it was frustrating, like watching a bad HS team.
I just have to disagree with this.
There is no way on earth Jenkins is supposed to play it the way he did. He blundered and hugely. Who is supposed to anticipate that happening? It’s like, you’re not supposed to text while driving during rush hour. If you text while driving during rush hour, I won’t be sympathetic to the idea there should have been a traffic cop there to warn the other drivers.
I know the ESPN talking heads tried to put this one on Wms but I just saw that as them shamelessly exonerating Jenkins for a basics 101 level dumb dumb dumb play.
znModeratorfrom off the net…trying to get all sortsa views
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tbux
Warner made an observation—if anyone knows what a QB is doing and not doing it is him. He didn’t bash Davis, but he said Davis does some things well, but doesn’t handle pressure well. The late pick 6 a perfect example of that. They need to practice more on teams blitzing and reading it and how to beat it. It will continue until we beat it routinely.
znModeratorzn wrote:
PA Ram wrote:
Actually that dog looks like me after most Rams games.Look, breaking under pressure, being mentally weak–I don’t know, maybe. I can’t get inside their heads. But if that’s the problem you’d better draft some new players because I don’t see how you “coach” that out of them. That seems to be a mental make-up kind of thing–you either have mental toughness or you don’t.
Why suddenly this year?
This year they can’t handle anything wrong that goes against them?
How does that happen?
I think that the coaches HAVE to take responsibility–and particularly Greg Williams. He was the one big coaching change and look at the result. From where this defense was–to where they are–and having MORE talent? I’m taking the Occam’s razor approach and asking–what has changed? Greg Williams. The result is–terrible. Now you can say–new scheme, players aren’t adjusting and all that. But I don’t buy it. If they can’t execute the new scheme for whatever reason–find one they can.
And after the game, Ray Lewis and some of the other players were dumbfounded at the scheme on that 80 yard touchdown. They called it “high school football”. Lewis was incredulous they would have been set up like that and even in his comments after the game, Fisher said it was a mistake.
That’s a glaring one.
How many foul-ups or “high school football” moments aren’t noticed?
I am thoroughly disgusted with Greg Williams. I believe it was a mistake to bring him in and I’d be happy if he took his wonderful reputation and moved on to the next team.
You can’t coach them out of it and it takes too long to draft new players.
Like all teams that gain confidence, you can only do one thing…win a “tide-turning” game.
I don’t know how many times I have watched “America’s Game,” the show that does an hour long take on great seasons by superbowl winning teams, and heard this: xyz game turned it around, after that we were playing with real confidence.
It’s the only way. Hiring a new coach won’t change it. Waiting to develop new draftees won’t change it. Fisher doing this or that or one thing or another won’t change it.
Ok, then I’m in favor
of winning a
tide-turning game.w
vProblem is this team doesn’t have the right types as leaders.
To be a leader, you have to actually perform. But then not everyone who actually performs is an out-spoken, gets them to listen guy. Imagine Quinn telling his fellow players how to act. It ain’t in him.
The qb is visible but then Davis is this bipolar act-out type. He’s up when he’s up and down when he’s down and you can freaking see it through the tv. Over and over when you hear qbs praised by their own teammates, you hear one recurrent theme: he’s the same when we’re up or down. Not Davis. So who’s going to listen.
Laurinaitis? My hunch is he’s respected but no one is going to cower at his displeasure.
Remember in 2012 when Saffold false started again in the RZ and Jackson lit into him? There were no more false starts that day. They scored on that drive.
They don’t have anyone like that.
If they were WINNING and Bradford were the qb, my bet is, he could tell a team to calm down and play within themselves. Maybe Hill too. Davis? He can’t even do it himself.
znModeratorzn wrote:
wv wrote:
21Dog wrote:
wv wrote:
I have not seen the game yet,
but did 500 year-old Brandon Lloyd
actually outrun JJ ?
Is Lloyd faster than JJ?w
vWord to the wise (I’m giving you credit for wisdom, wv).
Don’t watch it.
Brutal. Inexcusable.
Watched the replay of it.
O dear.
One of the worst regular-season
plays I’ve seen from a ram CB
in my 40+ years of watching ram
football.JJ loves the big plays
dont he.w
vYep.
Lloyd is slow. We knew that when he was a Ram and is older now. Jenkins is much faster.
Jenkins made a bigtime, primetime, big circus mistake. He peeked in the backfield with one on one coverage late in a half.
You don’t do that.
ESPN tried to make it about the coverage, so there was supposed to be safety help.
No…Jenkins is SUPPOSED TO KNOW not to do that.
He knows he’s supposed to know that. That’s why he’s hiding under the table like a cowering dog.
Maybe they draft a CB high
next year.w
vJenkins has been great all season till now.
Far better if he just finally learns.
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znModeratorthehammer
Austin “can’t hit the curveball” Davis
for the season under pressure -5.2 no pressure 1.8
now rated 30 out of 38 qb’s per pff…
his future rides on his ability to play under pressure…gave him a 4 game window..flunked the 1st game. Has to audible out of those blitzes/pressure and find his hot reads or bring on Case Keenum or Hill
Robinson +1.3 in his 1st start..that number will only go up as he gets experience..Donald was +1.5 and now 5th-74 dt’s…smallish Tre Mason was a -.9 in pass pro..right now only Stacy can pass block. Kendricks was an awful -3.1 vs SF and now 41-60 at te
Harkey is dead last at fb 23-23 but good at te 25-108 at te
Long 35/72 ot now after 2 miserable -1.9 games back to back
people talked about Warner vs Austin, the real number is Rams were 5-0 in Warners 1st 5 games and 1-4 in Davis’s..4 starts and played 2nd half vs Minn. 13-0 at half in a still winnable game but outscored 21-6 in 2nd under Davis. We all love Davis enthusiasm and energy but has to play better..people forget Bradford made players like Amendola, Gibson, Mark Clayton, Danario Alexander, Chris Givens and Brandon Lloyd look good..only Danario put up similar numbers playing elsewhere
good news was Barnes played in 2 snaps..can’t be worse then Wells..dead last at center..
Quinn been dominated by both Tyron Smith and Staley..anyone explain why he isn’t being moved around to take advantage of better matchups? Just don’t understand the lack of urgency by this coaching staff to make obvious changes
znModerator21Dog wrote:
wv wrote:
I have not seen the game yet,
but did 500 year-old Brandon Lloyd
actually outrun JJ ?
Is Lloyd faster than JJ?w
vWord to the wise (I’m giving you credit for wisdom, wv).
Don’t watch it.
Brutal. Inexcusable.
Watched the replay of it.
O dear.
One of the worst regular-season
plays I’ve seen from a ram CB
in my 40+ years of watching ram
football.JJ loves the big plays
dont he.w
vYep.
Lloyd is slow. We knew that when he was a Ram and is older now. Jenkins is much faster.
Jenkins made a bigtime, primetime, big circus mistake. He peeked in the backfield with one on one coverage late in a half.
You don’t do that.
ESPN tried to make it about the coverage, so there was supposed to be safety help.
No…Jenkins is SUPPOSED TO KNOW not to do that.
He knows he’s supposed to know that. That’s why he’s hiding under the table like a cowering dog.
znModeratorActually that dog looks like me after most Rams games.
Look, breaking under pressure, being mentally weak–I don’t know, maybe. I can’t get inside their heads. But if that’s the problem you’d better draft some new players because I don’t see how you “coach” that out of them. That seems to be a mental make-up kind of thing–you either have mental toughness or you don’t.
Why suddenly this year?
This year they can’t handle anything wrong that goes against them?
How does that happen?
I think that the coaches HAVE to take responsibility–and particularly Greg Williams. He was the one big coaching change and look at the result. From where this defense was–to where they are–and having MORE talent? I’m taking the Occam’s razor approach and asking–what has changed? Greg Williams. The result is–terrible. Now you can say–new scheme, players aren’t adjusting and all that. But I don’t buy it. If they can’t execute the new scheme for whatever reason–find one they can.
And after the game, Ray Lewis and some of the other players were dumbfounded at the scheme on that 80 yard touchdown. They called it “high school football”. Lewis was incredulous they would have been set up like that and even in his comments after the game, Fisher said it was a mistake.
That’s a glaring one.
How many foul-ups or “high school football” moments aren’t noticed?
I am thoroughly disgusted with Greg Williams. I believe it was a mistake to bring him in and I’d be happy if he took his wonderful reputation and moved on to the next team.
You can’t coach them out of it and it takes too long to draft new players.
Like all teams that gain confidence, you can only do one thing…win a “tide-turning” game.
I don’t know how many times I have watched “America’s Game,” the show that does an hour long take on great seasons by superbowl winning teams, and heard this: xyz game turned it around, after that we were playing with real confidence.
It’s the only way. Hiring a new coach won’t change it. Waiting to develop new draftees won’t change it. Fisher doing this or that or one thing or another won’t change it.
znModeratorYou presume it’s the team tanking and not the NFL essentially doing it TO them…
See, for the team to tank, that would be too hard to conceal. For the NFL, it wouldn’t take that many people. Why do you think the Refs held out and they have such a STRONG contract? You can’t even criticize obvious missed calls for fear of being fined!
It’s one thing to respect the Refs dignity. It’s another for them to codify silence even in the face of incompetence or injustice.
In watching this Rams team, I’ve never felt for a second that they’ve not been trying to win. And I’m not shy in sharing my opinions.
But I do feel like…something… is amiss. And the refereeing is the vehicle to that end. That’s the pattern, the demonstrated bias. I don’t know why. To move to LA? To further punish Gregg Williams? I have only guesses, some of which make more sense than others at any given time.
But the team quitting or tanking? I just haven’t seen that.
Well, but, I don’t know what else I would assume. Do I believe the Rams are a special target of the refs? No. But it doesn’t matter, because they have the same reaction to their own mistakes as they do to bad calls–any kind of setback. They break under it. They go all hang doggy.
Heck they aren’t even the most penalized team in the league. They’re tied for 9th. The 49ers are actually ahead of them at 4th.
Going hang doggy is not good. I think they need Hill at qb. I also think the Wms defense asks too much of them. I think both Fisher and Wms overestimated the team and thought it could handle more.
znModeratorA lot of people feel this way.
Just a couple of examples:
BILLS FAN:I watched the game yesterday. I saw at least 4 horrendous calls go against the Bills. I want to try and be objective but it’s becoming increasenly difficult.. How many bad calls went against the pats yesterday? I didn’t see any bad calls that went the Bills way. NFL football is becoming too hard to watch. Yesterday I had to wonder if these officials could possibly be this incompetent. I get tired of listening to the pundits saying don’t blame the refs, the team should be able to overcome the officilas, blah blah, blah. Well, I don’t agree. Refs do cause outcomes to change, like it or not.
COLTS BLOGGER:
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2014/10/9/6955421/final-score-colts-33-texans-28
These NFL refs are atrocious this year. They missed several no-calls tonight and had several other bad calls. They gifted one to the Colts on a pass interference call on Houston, then gave it right back to the Texans by overturning a call that was in no way conclusive. The refs ruled it a catch by Reggie Wayne, then the Texans challenged. I’ll admit, it was incredibly close – but there was zero way you could prove that the ball touched the ground or that Wayne didn’t have his hand under it. Zero. That’s one that’s inconclusive regardless of what is called – but the refs reversed the call. Again, just no continuity between games or even between plays with what these refs call. It went both ways tonight. The refs this year have been awful. And the NFL needs to do something about it.
znModeratorWell, that and the blatant bias the Refs are showing.
I just can’t get past that. Quinn is held on every play including the 80yd TD. I just saw a pic showing Staley held him…badly. Almost a bad a hold as the Langford takedown on the Dez Bryant TD.
No team is going to overcome that level of bias. So, unless something changes in that regard the Rams are peeing into the wind no matter what they do.
What’s that phrase? Just because I seem paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t really out to get me…
Sure, I agree that the Rams have a fragile psyche right now. However, they may also seem to be responding to the rather obvious bias that they also see and feel that once that first really bad call comes, that they KNOW a bunch more will come that allows the opponent to score dozens of unanswered points. It’s starting to feel inevitable. And that has to SUCK to feel that inevitability as a player.
How must Robert Quinn feel to beat his guy on almost every play and KNOW that he’s not gotten a holding call in what? 300 snaps? is that even possible that he’s not been held ONCE in 300 snaps???
I just think it was a bad call. The Cook call. I am never one to buy into theories like that. A confident team doesn’t let itself get deflated that way, regardless.
I also think that they aren’t doing what they promised with Quinn, and setting him up to succeed.
Of course he’s being held. Heck Jake Long should try it. But you can set up a top passing rushing DE to make plays. What happens instead is that every game he’s in the same spot doing the same things.
znModeratorHey old friend. This is all IMO of course, but fwiw, I don’t agree with most of that. I think we both see both the problems and the solutions completely differently.
Talent isn’t the issue. We agree that they have raw talent. But I don’t think coaching is the issue either. I said it somewhere else, but there’s something missing from this team (confidence) and they can get it with a couple of wins.
That’s just my own, very different take.
znModeratorTo me there is a main culprit here. Team psyche. Now…that gets close to “psych 101” posts but I don’t know, I think I have a feel for this particular issue. You can tell if a group has a “mental issue” and I think this group does.
Let’s assume for a sec that the bad call on Cook started them down the slippery slope. Interesting, did you notice that after that call Cook started just sucking as a player? Whole 2nd half. So did the bad call undermine them? If it did, and I think it did, that’s bad. A good, solid, veteran team with confidence overcomes setbacks like that.
So that to me is the key. This is a team with fragile confidence. Mistakes have killed them even though they knew they could have had a couple of games. When confidence goes, so does steady play.
Look at Pettis for an example. Before Phil, he was the hands guy, who could make crazy good catches in traffic on poorly thrown balls. But he drops 2 against the Eagles, and by god it carried over to tonight. He wasn’t the same player as the guy who made the crazy good catches we have talked about before.
You could see them deflate. Davis too. In fact this is why I never accept that a qb who is exuberant and enthusiastic and shows emotion is good. Because there’s a flip side to that coin. I prefer the dead fish qb who is the same in all conditions. You can SEE Davis getting down on himself after mistakes. You think the team can’t see it? And when he does that, you KNOW more mistakes are coming. You can make money betting on it.
A confident team will overcome bad calls, and overcome their own mistakes. How many game-killing mistakes did SF and Dallas make?…before they finally won?
The Rams need a dramatic win to give them team confidence. The paradox of course is that lack of confidence undermines them.
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