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znModeratorif he really is an up and comer, i want boras. he knows the personnel. there’d be a smoother transition. yeah. that makes sense to me.
But then, if he does well, he;s a head coach candidate.
znModeratorSome more. Some stuff the guy who edited that version didn’t include. Pretty much all relocation stuff.
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Any word on how the NFL reacted to this news of the stadium in LA!
by Tseals January 6 at 2:23 PMThey issued a pretty standard statement, but I think they made it pretty clear they would like Kroenke to follow the relocation guidelines, which he isn’t at the moment. I’ve heard second-hand, that some in the league weren’t happy with Kroenkie’s move.
Even if the Rams do stay in St. Louis it will clearly be against the owner’s wishes. Do you think Kroenke has to sell the team if he can’t force a move? As of yesterday I started questioning my allegiance to the team solely because of the owner.
by LaughingLion January 6 at 2:26 PMThat’s a very interesting question and I don’t really know the answer. But it’s all moot unless St. Louis comes up with a viable stadium plane.
If the league rejects a Rams move to LA, would league rules allow Kronke to own the Rams in St Louis and the new stadium in LA?
by Mike G January 6 at 2:32 PMI’ve asked the league about that, they declined comment.
Jim, was wondering about the ‘rule’ about a team not being able to move when the city is acting in good faith to keep a team. If the city comes up with a viable plan / stadium deal, is there any way that Kroenke can still move?
by Glendale Kingpin January 6 at 2:34 PMAt this point, not if the league follows it’s relocation rules. So let’s assume St. Louis comes up with a viable stadium plan. Then it becomes a matter of whether the league will enforce it’s relocation guidelilnes or just let Kroenke move.
If STL puts forth a viable stadium plan, and if they then violate their own rules and allow Kroenke to move, then any owner should be able to move for any reason. Theoretically then, one could move to STL (Shad Kahn?). Right?
by LC January 6 at 2:36 PMThat’s the can of worms the NFL doesn’t want to open. The last thing they want is a return to the 80s and 90s when teams were moving left and right.
Can you comment on what I think looks very strange – how is it that Kronke is willing to pend 1billion+ on LA, but not spending on a new stadium in St Louis?
by Zemlak January 6 at 3:02 PMObviously, he feels in the long run that he can make more money in LA. And I believe a part of Stan is enamored with the prospect of owning a team in the nation’s second-largest market.
Hi Jim, if say a majority of owners decide against Kronke’s moving Rams to LA but Kronke has Goodell on his side, does Goodell have the powers to overrule those majority of owners who are against the move?
by sKarnam January 6 at 3:21 PMIt doesn’t take a majority of owners to vote down a move. It takes 9 “no” votes. (Or 24 of 32 yes votes). Goodell can’t overrule the owners.
Does the City of St. Louis have any recourse or do we just have to sit here and take it with our fingers crossed that in the next decade some other owner seeks a new stadium and we are their white knight?
by Tackleberry January 6 at 3:26 PMThe best way to avoid just “sitting there and taking it” is to proceed with the Peacock and Blitz stadium plan and see it through. Make it as tough as possible for the league to say yes on relocation.
Is there any truth to the rumors that Chargers owners already have more than 8 owners on their side against Rams moving to LA?
by sKarnam January 6 at 3:28 PMI’ve heard this as well. I heard a month or so ago that Kroenke currently _ and I underline currently _ doesn’t have the votes.
Assuming Stan just thumbs his nose at the NFL relocation guidelines (like Al Davis did), does the NFL have any teeth to prevent him from moving? Like forcing the Rams to forfeit every home game not played in St. Louis? That would do it.
by Bob in Denver January 6 at 3:29 PM
The NFL didn’t have relocation guidelines when the Rams, Raiders, Browns, Oilers, Cardinals and Colts moved. I’ve heard there are other financial disincentives to moving as well.
You always mention the rams not qualifying to move based on set guidelines for moving. What guidelines will prevent them from moving?
by eman January 6 at 3:44 PMFor one, exhausting all efforts to make it work in the current market. For another, you simply can’t move just to enrich yourself.
Jim how much money is enough Stan is a Billionaire married to a Billionaire and I would bet that the Rams in Stl don’t lose money
by Ramsfan1977 January 6 at 3:48 PMIt’s basically impossible to lose money in the NFL because of all the TV dollars. By some accounts, I think the Rams made $18 million last year.
Do you think the controversy regarding Ferguson and the fallout from the business community also gave a nudge toward LA for Kroenke?
by Aaron Johnson January 6 at 3:53 PM
Of course not. It’s all about business, all about the money, with StanIsnt there a clause inthe bylaws saying that a relocation can be approved if it is in the best interest of the league? Couldn’t the league just say this a move in the best in the best interest of the league and negate the other rules?
by alex January 6 at 4:23 PM
The league can say anything it wants to justify a move. But to anyone who has been paying attention, I think it’s very obvious that Kroenke hasn’t exactly been working night and day to hammer out a stadium deal in St. Louis.znModeratorStaying in house
Tight ends coach Rob Boras: There are others on the current staff with more experience in the league and more experience as a coordinator, but Boras is the one many around the league think has the brightest future as a play caller. In fact, had Vanderbilt hired Brian Schottenheimer as its head coach last year, it’s all but certain the Rams were going to promote Boras to coordinator. Boras has been in the NFL for 11 years, all as an assistant, but did spend three years as offensive coordinator at UNLV. Boras knows the system, he knows Fisher and he knows the personnel. It wouldn’t be a surprise if he got the job.
Interesting.
znModeratorAt first I wondered about the friendly firing angle, but that doesn’t add up.
Here;s my take on the whole Schott thing.
First, Fisher liked his approach. And actually that just accords with what I have heard and read…for example, I remember analysts on broadcasts (usually ex-players) praising his playcalling. Clayton, when directly asked what people around the league thought of him, said he was seen as solid. That fits right with what I saw, personally. I know some disagree but I actually thought he did well in the circumstances.
Next, I think he wanted out because of everything he says–family being a consideration. Which means, probably, that he cares about what his wife thinks (Schott is 41 and so a different generation kind of coach. What his wife thinks matters.) And he wants to be in line to be a college head coach…being the OC at Georgia will help him build that.
In terms of replacing him, I do hear the people who say a new OC and new system will be problems, but I actually think it will be less of a problem this year then it would have been before.
The Giants and Ravens fixed their offenses last off-season by adding OL players and new coordinators. Their offenses dramatically improved after falling off badly in 2013. I think the same thing is possible with the Rams, even though the Rams are younger overall in comparison to Baltimore and NY.
znModeratorSoon in the interests of ordinary smart board management I will start a new LA thread (unless someone else does it first) and link this one in it.
In other words, we’re moving the thread.
With or without league approval.
January 8, 2015 at 11:38 am in reply to: Rams granted permission to speak with Greg Roman and Kyle Shanahan #15855znModeratorDoes Kyle use the same system
that BS does?Itz always the same names that
get reshuffled. It annoys me
for some reason. I’d just as soon
Fisher hire from within.w
vShanahan runs a WCO, Schott ran a variation on Coryell.
znModeratorif this LA/StLouis thing takes months
to unfold — this thread is gonna get awfully
Long.We’ll start a new one every Friday. Always linking the last one.
Howzatt.
znModeratorWell I’ve wondered about that. But
I’ve also wondered whether Fisher
was chosen because he has experience
with moves. Maybe he only promised
Fisher he’d move as a last resort
or he’d consult with Fisher about
move issues, etc and so forth.
Who knows.w
vWell we don’t have to speculate. We can look at what he said (later). And my point really is that the socio-pathic Kroenke is completely capable of telling Fisher no, we will not move AND hiring him precisely because he’s experienced with moves.
That’s my read on SK anyway. He is that single-minded and just jerks everyone around in relation to his single-mindedness.
And what is he single-minded about? Being in california? No. Maximizing value and winning entrepeneurial contests. It’s nothing more than that.
znModeratorI’m confuzed — this article sez the LA Stadium wont be finished until 2018. So does that mean if the rams move, they will
play somewhere else for a coupla years?This is one bloody complex issue.
Remember Kroenke still has to fix the cross-ownership in Denver AND he wants to buy the Broncos and sell the Rams IF he buys the Broncos.
What we have here is a socio-pathic Spock playing 3-dimensional chess while we gaze on confused.
I think one of the conditions of taking the job for Fisher was reassurance they wouldn’t move.
Apparently SK only really hears his inner entrepeneurial longings and everything else is just grist for that mill.
January 8, 2015 at 12:28 am in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15829znModeratorThe family might have a better quality of life in a college atmosphere.
Makes perfect sense.
Athens. The B52s………..
January 8, 2015 at 12:16 am in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15827znModeratorIf they change systems, I would think it would,
once again, lead to a slow start.
I mean, its not just the QB who has to learn
a new system, its Tavon, Stedman, etc.w
vMeans they would entirely change how they run block and even the kind of linemen they look for.
Of course, Bradford was already in a WCO for a couple of years.
January 7, 2015 at 11:09 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15817znModeratorso he’s going to learn a new offense while also trying to rehab from major reconstructive surgery.
Well a lot of learning a new offense is sitting down and reading.
And, coming back from surgery, he is going to have to re-tool his mechanics anyway, that is, rep and re-acquire them. Might as well learn a new version.
Flacco was drafted 2 years before Bradford. It’s not like Flacco is ancient.
I do not see this as a big impediment. Honest, I really don’t.
January 7, 2015 at 10:40 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15812znModeratorI don’t know if Cignetti or Boras would be good coordinators.
But in his 6th year, I don’t think a system switch would be bad for Bradford. It was bad when he was less experienced.
2 examples. Last year, both the Giants and the Ravens had heavy issues with their run game and their OLs. The overall offense suffered but both qbs suffered too.
In the off-season, both fixed their OLs (interestingly, not with high picks. It was mostly trades, free agents, and development of their own younger guys who were already there).
AND both teams switched coordinators.
The changes worked.
GIANTS OFFENSE 2013: 28TH
GIANTS OFFENSE 2014: 10thRAVENS OFFENSE 2013: 29TH
RAVENS OFFENSE 2014: 12thTo me, what the Ravens and Giants show is that you can fix the OL in one off-season, even without using high picks, and hire a new coordinator and improve.
Now granted that depends upon Bradford playing. If it’s not Bradford, then they will not improve as dramatically.
January 7, 2015 at 10:15 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15809znModeratorJust finished talking with GM Les Snead, who said that this was a move Schottenheimer thought was best for him & his family.
I wasn’t doubting you, I just didn’t know what you meant. In what sense best? I know it’s just speculation on our part…..
January 7, 2015 at 10:13 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15808znModeratorare there any internal candidates for the job.
Boras, the TE coach.
znModeratord the team’s inability to make adjustments at halftime
This is a crock. I would sit there during games listening to the broadcast analysts (usually an ex-player) talk about the adjustments.
znModeratorRams likely won’t rush into new offensive coordinator hire
By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/
EARTH CITY, Mo. — As of late Wednesday afternoon, there wasn’t much to know about the St. Louis Rams’ now vacant offensive coordinator position.
We know that Brian Schottenheimer has taken the same position (with added quarterback coach responsibilities) at the University of Georgia. We know the Rams now have an opening. But we don’t know who will be next in line to take Schottenheimer’s place.
The one thing we do know, however, is that Rams coach Jeff Fisher probably won’t rush into any hire unless he decides to hire from within.
Jeff Fisher typically takes his time hiring new assistant coaches.”I think there’s always a list,” general manager Les Snead said Wednesday. “Jeff’s philosophy is always, ‘Hey, be patient, don’t rush into it.’ But it’s like anything. what’s the pool like? This is all happening. You’ll see the philosophy with Jeff is let’s be patient, let’s go through. I think that’s what you’ll see.”
That’s what we’ve seen from Fisher when the defensive coordinator job has popped up in each of the past two offseasons.
In 2013, Fisher fired Blake Williams, the de facto defensive coordinator and linebackers coach, on Jan. 2. From there, Fisher deliberately went through the interview process, spending time with the likes of Dick Jauron and Mike Singletary before he hired then-Detroit Lions defensive backs coach Tim Walton on Feb. 15.
Last year, Fisher appeared to be committed to keeping Walton, but after taking some time to go through his options and, most importantly, repair his relationship with Gregg Williams, he fired Walton on Jan. 29. It was quickly apparent that Gregg Williams would be the new defensive coordinator, but Fisher didn’t even make that official for another two weeks.
In this case, Schottenheimer’s departure doesn’t come at the behest of Fisher. At Fisher’s end-of-season news conference, he was asked what he thought of Schottenheimer’s performance. To the chagrin of many Rams fans, Fisher offered an enthusiastic endorsement.
“I think Brian is an outstanding playcaller,” Fisher said. “He’s very organized. He’s an excellent teacher. You can’t put the record on his shoulders. That’d be very, very unfair.”
That endorsement followed another underwhelming performance from a Rams offense that regularly forced the defense to play almost perfect football just to have a chance. The Rams finished 28th in yards per game, 20th in rushing yards, 23rd in passing yards and 23rd in points per game in 2014.
That effort wasn’t much of an upgrade over his previous two seasons in charge. In 2013, the Rams were 30th in yards per game, 19th in rushing yards per game, 27th in passing yards per game and 22nd in points per game. In 2012, the Rams ranked 23rd, 19th, 18th and 28th in those respective categories.
Of course, Schottenheimer had his share of challenges along the way, including the repeated loss of starting quarterback Sam Bradford, several injuries along the offensive line and a big injury this season to receiver Brian Quick. And it’s also important to remember that Schottenheimer coached for Fisher, and much of the conservative approach falls in line with what Fisher prefers.
Nonetheless, the Rams offense regularly struggled to find ways to use Tavon Austin in the offense and the team’s inability to make adjustments at halftime repeatedly put the Rams behind the eight ball on offense in the final 30 minutes of games.
The Rams offense averaged a feeble 2.6 points in the third quarter of games this season, which ranked 30th in the NFL. They weren’t much better in the fourth quarter, either, posting 4.8 points per game in the final 15 minutes, which was tied for 24th in the league.
As for possible replacements, there are many former head coaches with offensive backgrounds who could be appealing. That list includes former Bears coach Marc Trestman, former Browns coach Rob Chudzinski and in-limbo Niners coordinator Greg Roman. If Fisher decides to stay in house, one name to remember is current tight ends coach Rob Boras.
No matter the ultimate decision, Fisher’s history would indicate two things: He won’t be looking to turn the offense in a drastically different direction and we won’t get an answer in the immediate future.
January 7, 2015 at 8:27 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15792znModeratorWell. The off-season’s gettin interesting,
early
this year.I wonder if BS jumped
or was pushed.
I hope he was pushed,
cause if he jumped it might mean
he dont like the QB situation
for next year.w
vThere could be other reasons to jump.
One being, the move maybe.
znModerator“It’s a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he’s got and all he’s ever gonna have.”
Little Bill Daggett: Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!
Will Munny: Well, he should have armed himself
January 7, 2015 at 7:37 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15784znModeratorI don’t think he was forced out. I think family played a part in his decision. imo The Georgia fans seem to be happy to have him.
How do you mean family? IE how did family factor in to his decision, you think?
January 7, 2015 at 7:06 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15778znModeratorI was just listening to Snead on 101 (it’s posted).
I am not so sure about the “friendly fired” scenario. Snead sounded taken aback. Clayton (also posted) did not present it as a friendly firing. It sounded like Schott wanted out.
Nothing is clear yet but I will say this. When Fisher fired Walton, it was open and explicit. No secrets, no hedging, no sugar-coating. So I don’t know on this one.
Maybe Schott wants no part of a move scenario. (?)
And, starting as an OC in Georgia means getting in line to eventually be a college head coach. Maybe that’s what he wants.
znModeratorzn wrote:
Maybe this whole thread is a bad idea.I’m sorry zn. I was just sharing the info. Didn’t know it was going blow up like this.
We have run frequent “moving to LA” threads. They often involve controversy and deeply entrenched opposed positions. Today is the only time we ever had to say something (“we” = me and invader, also a mod).
People obviously want to discuss this. There are a lot of different views and voices. So I ask people to keep it within bounds.
January 7, 2015 at 6:26 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15772znModeratorHarvin was a cancer in the locker room. That is why he had to go. Good move by Carrol. Harvin was also injured too much and at the end refused to play. I wish the best for TA but in real progress I like what his WV teammate Bailey has shown this year in what shortened season he had.
Yes that was said about Harvin too. It was also said there was only so much they could do with him.
…Harvin was difficult for offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell to integrate into the Seahawks’ offense. He’s not your average receiver that runs the entire route tree and can get open on his own. Seattle had to scheme plays to get him the ball, and they were struggling to do so.
I agree that Bailey looks good.
znModeratorMaybe this whole thread is a bad idea.
znModeratorPLease, LA is full of distractions? So, there is no night life in STL?
LA the evil empire by the sea huh?
Grow up and get real.
Grits
yes way more distractions.
you’re getting way too touchy. i’m actually kind of in support of the rams moving back. for selfish reasons.
Grits…cool it, okay. I don’t want to lock the thread.
January 7, 2015 at 4:54 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15762znModeratorI’m not automated and such mantra about Schotty is deserved. Whether TA was worth a first round pick is on others.
Yeah that “automated” phrase came off wrong. But I also really don’t buy the “creativity” thing on Schott. How “creative” were Bevell and Roman? Heck one of the reasons Seattle let Harvin go–according to them–is that there is only so much you can do to fit a guy like that in. And IMO there’s no problem with Tavon or with picking him, it’s just that he should never be thought of as a (pure) receiver. And when he was a slow learner in 2013, I didn’t see any reason why that would change overnight in 2014. Heck it took Dante Hall 3 years before he caught more than 30 something passes. I just think that as a receiver, Tavon is in the same boat. I think he will learn a lot more than he knows, if people are patient, but so far he is more or less what many thought he would be–a multi-purpose, combined yards guy.
January 7, 2015 at 4:23 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15755znModeratorTwo years? Doubt it. Lack of creativity on the OC.
I don’t doubt it for a second, myself. LOok at Brian Quick, for one. And in college Tavon was never really a receiver. Remember he said the playbook in 2013 was like it was in Spanish. I doubt he can run more than a handful of routes at the pro level with any real effectiveness, at least so far. That’s one reason I always saw him, before they even drafted him, not as a receiver but as something else (combined yards weapon). He’s just not a natural receiver type…it isn’t what he is. And I was for drafting him. Plus I never bought this “lack of creativity” mantra on Schott. I always thought it was just this automated mantra.
January 7, 2015 at 3:40 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15743znModeratorWhat OC takes forever getting a first round draft pick (Tavon Austin) into the offense? Into an anemic offense at that.
One who is stuck with a slow-learner.
January 7, 2015 at 3:26 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15738znModeratorGood riddance. Hire Mike Martz now.
I like Schott actually. But either way, they ain’t gonna hire Martz, I bet. Anyway, onward and upward…we’ll see what they do.
January 7, 2015 at 3:25 pm in reply to: Reports out of Georgia that Schottenheimer is the new offensive coordinator #15737znModeratorFunny thing is Josh Heupel(Bradford’s Old OC) Resigned from his job yesterday.
Well ain;t that interesting.
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