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    Are Hybrid Defensive Fronts the Future of NFL Defenses?

    By Ty Schalter

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2117320-are-hybrid-defensive-fronts-the-future-of-nfl-defenses?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

    Atlanta Falcons fans everywhere want to know the answer to one simple question: Will they be running a 3-4 or 4-3 base defense in 2014? Head coach Mike Smith is being obtuse about it.

    “We’re going to play with 11 players on the field,” Smith told Vaughn McClure of ESPN.com.

    Thanks for clearing that up, Coach.

    Falcons defensive coordinator Mike Nolan has an extensive history with the 3-4 defense, and the Falcons acquired several 3-4 players this offseason, but Smith refused to admit such a switch was in the works. Instead, he argued the difference is much smaller than most football watchers realize.

    “When you start talking about 3-4, 4-3, they’re very similar in principles,” Smith said. “You line up on a 4-3 in a base down, you slide your tackle in and under and over defense. You line up in a 3-4 and slide your tackle over, you’re in an over defense. You slide him under, you’re in an under defense.”

    This runs counter to almost everything today’s fans know about defensive football.

    The dominant defenses of the late 1990s and early 2000s relied on specialized schemes with defined roles and prototypes. Football fans who grew up watching Dick LeBeau’s 3-4 zone blitz and Monte Kiffin’s blitzless 4-3 Tampa 2 struggle to imagine the two base alignments as different names for similar things.

    Even so, we’ve seen some of this flexibility elsewhere in the NFL; the New England Patriots have flexed between 3-4 and 4-3 fronts based on personnel throughout much of Bill Belichick’s tenure. Rob Ryan’s extremely multiple defense worked wonders in New Orleans last season—and the struggles of Ryan’s replacement in Dallas, Kiffin himself, had some Cowboys fans missing Ryan more than they might have expected.

    What’s happening to defensive football? How are base alignments converging, and what does it mean going forward?

    ‘Base’ Alignment

    When we talk about the differences between the 3-4 and 4-3 alignments, we need to know what those things are. There’s no better primer than Bleacher Report NFL Lead Writer Matt Bowen’s Football 101 articles on the topic.

    Here’s Bowen’s “The Basics of the 4-3 Defensive Front” (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1999358-nfl-101-the-basics-of-the-4-3-defensive-front), which walks us through the way 4-3 linemen and linebackers lineup and their relative responsibilities against the run and pass.

    There are “Over” and “Under” 4-3 alignments. They’re “one-gap” systems, where each defender is responsible for defending one running lane. All of it is keyed off which side is “open” or “closed,” i.e. on which side the tight end is lined up.

    This optimizes the run fits for the defense’s best run-stoppers. The nose tackle, strong-side linebacker and strong safety are all put into the best position to collapse the prime running lanes, and the defense’s best athletes (weak-side linebacker, pass-rushing defensive end, free safety) are free to chase down the play from the backside or guard against a counter.

    Now, check out Bowen’s “The Basics of the 3-4 Defensive Front,” and scroll down to the 3-4 Under. Like a traditional 4-3, it’s a one-gap scheme keyed off the alignment of the tight end:

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    Just like Smith said, a one-gap 3-4 Under and a one-gap 4-3 Under are practically indistinguishable, as are a 3-4 Over and 4-3 Over:

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    Defensive coordinators running these alignments are asking similar athletes to do similar things—note that this open-side 4-3 “defensive end” isn’t even playing with his hand down.

    Asymmetrical alignments, though, assume the offense is trying to run to the strong side—or even run at all. As New Orleans Saints tight end Jimmy Graham argued in his (unsuccessful) bid to be franchise-tagged as a wide receiver, today’s NFL tight ends function more like overgrown slot wideouts than hole-opening run-blockers.

    In 2009, now-Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz told Detroit media members, quoted here via The Lions in Winter, why he prefers symmetrical linebackers and safeties:

    We sort of got away (from WILL and SAM linebackers) because we saw so many shifting teams and teams get out of shifting real quick if they’re moving four people and you got all these guys on defense going, are you ready yet? But if they’re moving one guy and you’re flipping four, they’ll just do it 60 snaps a game.

    That’s why you start getting a little less compartmentalized with SAM and WILL, strong safety and free safety. If you’re a strong safety and you line up to the tight-end side and that tight end motions across, you can’t flip because you don’t know if he’s going to stop and come back and if he does you’re looking bad. Guess what, if you have a 230-pound strong safety that’s an in-the-box strong safety you can turn him into the free safety just motioning one guy across the formation. So it puts more (emphasis) on having multidimensional (guys).

    Old School, New School

    As I recently wrote in a piece about the disappearance of the traditional between-the-tackles run-stuffing middle linebacker, NFL teams no longer run to establish the pass.

    Leaguewide, NFL teams averaged 35.4 passing attempts and 2.5 sacks per game, compared to 27.1 rushing attempts. That means NFL teams averaged a 41.7/58.3 percent run/pass balance in 2014, per Pro-Football-Reference.com—and, of course, average means many teams are passing even more often. Even when teams run, it’s often out of passing formations.

    That’s why when we talk about “base alignments” and “two-down linebackers,” we’re using outdated terms. Weak-side linebackers who are too small to cover tight ends like Jimmy Graham and strong-side defensive ends who are too slow to rush the passer will struggle to find work in today’s NFL.

    Pure run-stuffing middle linebackers and strong safeties who play like linebackers aren’t useful when teams are running three- and four-receiver sets and passing almost two-thirds of the time.

    That’s why teams are using nickel and dime packages at unheard-of rates.

    “The thing that I think people don’t realize,” Smith said, via McClure’s report, “is that the game has become substitutional defense. About 65 to 75 percent of large snaps have been in sub defense where you’re playing with five defensive backs. There are more snaps with five defensive backs than four. That nickelback is more of a starter than your fourth linebacker or your third linebacker. The multiplicity and the complexity of the game have changed.”

    As Bowen wrote, the traditional 3-4 Okie front uses a symmetrical defensive alignment: Three big, strong defensive linemen each responsible for two running lanes, leaving the outside linebackers responsible for edge containment. The power of old-school, aggressive 3-4 defenses like LeBeau’s is that they disguise where the pass rush is coming from.

    The power of new-school 3-4 hybrids is that they disguise what the coverage is.

    Ryan’s “base” defense is theoretically a two-gap 3-4, but as the author of the blog Code and Football wrote, he’ll use four, two, one or even zero defensive linemen to keep opposing quarterbacks confused. Ryan doesn’t need to overload the defense with six or seven pass-rushers to get a sack; he can do it by rushing an unexpected set of four or five and constantly changing which four or five come.

    The limitation on 3-4 Okie front defenses has always been that two-gap nose tackle up front. There just aren’t enough athletic, 350-plus pound men who can handle two running lanes by themselves. When so few offenses rely on a traditional power run game, though, that’s not nearly the problem it used to be.

    The door is open for coordinators like Nolan to go find talented, versatile players and start swapping them around.

    Defender Taxonomy

    The shift toward indistinguishable one-gap 3-4 and 4-3 fronts and wildly multiple “amoeba” defenses like Ryan’s is causing just as much confusion in football scouting and analysis.

    When scouting, grading, ranking and giving awards to defenders, we break them down into categories that no longer make sense.

    A 4-3 3-technique tackle such as Ndamukong Suh is similar to a 3-4 defensive end such as J.J. Watt, not a 3-4 tackle such as Vince Wilfork. A 4-3 defensive end such as Robert Quinn is similar to a 3-4 outside linebacker such as Brian Orakpo—not a 3-4 end such as Watt. A 4-3 outside linebacker such as Lavonte David doesn’t play anything like Orakpo.

    Going forward, the football-watching world needs to consider classifying defenders in an alignment-agnostic way. These old descriptors (“tackles,” “ends,” “outside linebackers”winking smiley just don’t mean the same thing anymore.

    Just like offensive coordinators are aggressively spreading the field, eliminating some positions (like fullback) and de-emphasizing the roles of others (like tight end), it makes sense that defensive coordinators are responding in kind.

    Already, defensive coordinators are moving toward complex, hybridized, symmetrical alignments that give them maximum flexibility in coverage (and create maximum confusion). As the 2014 season approaches, don’t be surprised to hear more teams like the Falcons eschewing the idea of a “base alignment” altogether.

    in reply to: Are Hybrid Defenses the Future #945
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    I’m gonna put in the whole article pictures and all if you don’t mind.

    in reply to: Boldness and Contrast #944
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    Does anyone else think the letters on this board are
    a little hard to read? They seem smaller and paler
    than on other boards.

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    Do you like that better? Bolded?

    It’s all I’ve got…. smiley6

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #943
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    The most important is getting everyone home having said that the fact is we were given zero warning there is no arguing that and that is the only fact wv states as such . There is a reason this board has stayed together across 3 decades (90′s 2000′s and 2010′s) while while other boards rise and fall.wv’s whole point was we shouldn’t have to go join another board and ask why they blew up ours.Linking the old url to ROD where there is no mention of the buzz well it’s not defendable

    ER…wv made his point, and I think it’s time to move on. Fair enough?

    I don’t think there’s anything to be gained from keeping this alive.

    If Bob wants to compare histories, he can. Right here, as I said. Short of that, I say let sleeping dogs lie. The same applies to Alan/Albe.

    I hate doing this. Being a “move on” cop. But, we should be enjoying the community and its multiple views of the Rams (among many other things!). I want to urge people to do that. People naturally have passions but we need to move on I think.

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #938
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    That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

    Alan?

    That’s the sole reason you posted here, Albe? To get a dig in like that? I sincerely hope not.

    Meanwhile what did WV say? He said that it was wrong to take a board down without giving prior notice to its posters. Are you disagreeing with that? That doesn’t “misrepresent” anything. In fact I don’t regard it as history. It’s just true…if you want to dump a site, you should tell the posters. My guess is that even Bob agrees with that, now that it is all said and done and over.

    And btw I know both sides of that story. You know one.

    The difference is, I am not going to post on it. In fact I don’t think it’s RIGHT to post on it. Not unless Bob wants to debate the rights and wrongs with me…in which case he can come here and do it in this thread. Other than that, my own feeling is this. We here got what we wanted…a site. The rest is history. So unless Bob comes over here and discusses it, I won’t. Things have to go on into a new world…or, if people want the history, Bob can come here and we can compare versions. I can’t go there…I can’t even read the site from home because I am IP blocked (ie. I have to go to log in through another network like my workplace to even read it).

    My own main concern right here and now is this. TRSF directly asked where we went. Did anyone tell him? He should have a choice. Right now I don’t know that he does. That’s all I care about.

    If you are going to be a member here, try to be a constructive one who joins in the good spirit on the Rams board. Anything else is worse than board wars…it’s INTER-board wars, which is just useless stuff. So I am asking you to move on. Jump into the new world, which now includes a reconstituted huddle board. Enjoy that…talk football.

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    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #921
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    All I care about is someone getting word to TSRF. The rest is ancient history, IMO.

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    in reply to: The REAL Joker? #919
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    Well, there you have it–copied and pasted on two of the examples and removed asterisks on another and tied my thumbs in knots on another but no luck. It either shows up large or not at all. Seems whatever I tried did not work. Can we just get a button? I like buttons. I can do buttons.

    I edited it so it works now. The asteriks and lines ( _ ) weren’t part of it. My apologies, I screwed up the instructions. (They were too complicated.) I cleared them up in the instructions post plus include them below.

    We don’t have a full-time tech, PA. We can’t request buttons. We just have to learn things. smiley5 It’s more up to us now. (For example I have to learn to write better instructions.)

    Here are the commands without brackets [ ]…you just have to remember to add brackets.

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    in reply to: Coach O on Safeties #907
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    Several things here are True. Though we don’t know yet how they will add up.

    It’s true that McLeod played both safety and nickel. Now he plays safety only. Maybe getting rid of Stewart and Giodorno and putting McLeod at safety only will help, as CoachO suggests.

    It’s true that he’s the most likely starter for 2014.

    It’s true that this is an absurdly young secondary. These are the years on J, J & the Macs:

    Jenkins: 3rd year in 2014
    Johnson: 3rd year in 2014
    McDonald: 2nd year in 2014
    McLeod: 3rd year in 2014, 2nd as a starter

    Keeping with the Rams tradition of starting either a J or a Mac in the secondary, the candidates for the nickel are either McGee (2nd year) or Joyner (rookie).

    Personally I don’t see Davis supplanting McLeod.

    So anyway it’s true they are young.

    It’s also true that Williams is often credited with improving secondaries.

    So maybe some coaching and some experience combined will make them a better unit. Scheme too.

    It’s not an impossible hope.

    hope1

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    This topic was modified 21 minutes ago by franz kafka.

    For those who don’t know, you can elect to have an invisible edit.

    At the bottom left of the page when you edit, there’s a checked box that says “Keep a log of this edit.” Just uncheck that box.

    Matter of choice. Some care, some don’t.

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    For some reason the Tucker podcast changed the way they post their podcast urls. I have edited my original post and all of them should be working again.

    Thanks ag.

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    in reply to: Wagoner: get to know rookie Ethan Westbrooks #891
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    Ethan Westbrooks, DE
    School: West Texas A&M | Conference: LSC
    College Experience: Senior | Hometown: San Leandro, CA
    Height/Weight: 6-4 / 267 lbs.
    Proj. Rnd. 4-5

    Player Overview

    Every scout dreams of discovering a diamond in the rough talent; a player whose gifts are undeniable and yet either the player, himself, needs polishing or he simply hasn’t caught the attention yet of other talent evaluators.

    Westbrooks…lacks polish but is undeniably gifted.

    The Oakland, Ca. native signed with the Buffs after a successful JUCO stop at Sacramento City College, where he was named the 2011 MVP of the Mid-Empire Conference. Westbrooks thoroughly dominated the D-II level in his first season, registering 60 tackles, including an unbelievable 29.5 tackles for loss and 19.5 sacks, the most QB-takedowns at any amateur level in 2012. Among the accolades Westbrooks won for his efforts was the Ron Lenz Daktronics Division II National Defensive Player of the Year and Super Region Four Defensive Player of the Year.

    With opponents keying in on him, Westbrooks numbers dropped significantly in 2013 (43/19.5/seven), though he again showed his ability to dominate at the East-West Shrine Game, earning Defensive MVP honors during the game, with two sacks and two more tackles for loss.

    Westbrooks talents are legitimate. His size and athleticism will intrigue every team in the league. Character red-flags, however, will make him one of the more popular interviews for teams at the Combine.

    STRENGTHS:

    Looks and plays bigger than his size. Possesses broad shoulders, long arms and the frame to handle an additional 10 pounds of muscle without a significant loss of quickness. Moved around the defensive line to create mismatches for the Buffs, logging time on the nose, three tech DT and as a traditional 7-tech defensive end. Physical and highly aggressive. Good initial quickness. Surprises opponents with his burst to split gaps and flashes upper body explosiveness to rock them on their heels, as well as effective (if rudimentary technique). Good balance and lateral agility to break down and stalk mobile quarterbacks. Flashes impressive acceleration for a man of his size while in pursuit. Could just be scratching the surface of his potential.

    WEAKNESSES:

    Has been able to get by with just his athletic tools to this point and remains quite raw in his technique. Sells out to attack the quarterback, getting fooled by play-action and draws. Doesn’t always pursue hard once the ball gets past him. Probably projects best as a RDE in the 4-3 alignment but must learn to use his hands better to rip through would-be blocks, or his speed/power will be controlled. Likely is at least a year or more from significant playing time and there are concerns about his commitment. Plays with a degree of ferocity that too often results in foolish penalties. Sports a heavily tattooed frame (including on his face) and that some will take as a character red-flag.

    COMPARES TO: Armonty Bryant, Cleveland Browns – The team that invests in Westbrooks is going to want to have a plan in place for him, just as the Browns did with Bryant, who was off some teams’ boards a year ago but flashed as a rookie with 12 tackles and two sacks in limited duty. There is no denying his physical gifts but he comes with red-flags and may need a strong locker room to support him.

    –Rob Rang

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    aeneas1

    well if you believe the folks at football outsiders, the rams defensive line was already one of the bad boys in the league, one of the best in the business, for both the 2012 and 2013 seasons. football outsiders ranked the 2012 rams defensive line 2nd and the 2013 rams defensive line 5th.

    if gw’s history is any indication, the rams secondary should improve enormously against the pass, at least in terms of completions allowed.

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    My reaction to Johnny Manziel:

    My feelings about JM not being a Ram:

    in reply to: The REAL Joker? #866
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    I changed the size on your vid.

    You can see how I did it here:

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/how-to-post-youttube-vids/

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #847
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    Could someone do something about this though? I wouldn’t be too direct about it though. (The owner of ROD and the owner of the former Buzz are the same person).

    TSRF

    http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/im-a-board-orphan.27146/#post-341759

    What does “404 site not found” mean??

    I’m a board orphan!

    … my link to Ramsbuzz just took me here.

    No offense, I think you have a great board here, but I kind of liked the old backwater board. What happened?

    That’s at ROD. I’m not registered there and in fact I am IP blocked from reading it (I’m not on my normal network at the moment so I was able to skirt around the IP block).

    This is no big deal…just trying to make sure the scattered folk at least know we’re here.

    I found that post accidently this way…ie as I say in my last post this thread, I did a google search to see what would come up, and if you look, TSRF is in the list of items that came up:
    https://www.google.com/#q=Where+is+the+Ramsbuzz+board

    in reply to: What happened to the Rams Buzz board ? #846
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    You can move this one . I didn’t really want a discussion just thought the title might pop on a search and help people find their way here.

    That was good thinking because someone found the board that way. Searching the terms that came up in your title.

    https://www.google.com/#q=Where+is+the+Ramsbuzz+board

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    in reply to: Ever Wandering Lost-Tribe of Ram fans… #838
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    RM?

    Oh. Sorry. RamsMaineiac. He is the founder, owner, and admin of the original huddle and of this one.

    in reply to: how will Bradford rate? #836
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    zn: Where they need to improve the most…and it’s not just Bradford…is on 3rd down.

    That’s their big Achilles heel.

    what were the 3rd down stats last season before and after zac stacy? just curious.

    I just did the 1st 7 games.

    4 games w/Richardson, 25.8% conversion rate on 3rd down
    3 games w/Stacy, 38.4% rate

    38.4% for the season would rank 14th in the league.

    25.8% would rank below 32. It would rank 33rd. (The actual lowest was the Jags with 31%).

    Yeah just 3 games but I don’t think it was an anomaly. 25.8% to 38.4%? From worse than the Jagz to better than the Eagles? That’s a pretty bloody big improvement. And 2 of those 3 games were against top 7 defenses. That would be good if it’s real and it holds up.

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    in reply to: Ever Wandering Lost-Tribe of Ram fans… #833
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    Not that this really matters but,What happened to the original huddle?

    It got supplanted by this one. Or that’s as much as I know. RM has the full story.

    in reply to: Ever Wandering Lost-Tribe of Ram fans… #831
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    email from Trench Ram:

    I’m glad that there’s a new board already. Heading to Aruba for a week tomorrow, so probably won’t post for a bit. Hopefully everyone finds their way to the new board by time camp starts.

    in reply to: Ever Wandering Lost-Tribe of Ram fans… #825
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    Cool. Found ya! Thanks to the OP, and Google. :-)

    Welcome aboard! what did you search on google?

    in reply to: how will Bradford rate? #820
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    trying not to dissect bradford’s play too much. just taking his career so far as a whole? he compares very favorably to eli manning. in fact. he rates better.

    eli manning (first four years)
    57 games 55 started 54.7% 11,385 yards 77 tds 64 ints 6.3 ypa 73.4 passer rating

    sam bradford
    49 games 49 started 58.6% 11,065 yards 59 tds 38 ints 6.3 ypa 79.3 passer rating

    the one area where he pales is… durability.

    i think he can be better than eli. i think numbers wise. even without considering all the circumstances under which bradford has had to play. the main thing holding sam back is his ability to stay healthy.

    Where they need to improve the most…and it’s not just Bradford…is on 3rd down.

    That’s their big Achilles heel.

    I got that from looking at the numbers for the last 2 years. Bottom third of the league.

    in reply to: question about Youtube Video on The Rams #816
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    Oh, I thought I was going to find a video link here based on your title.

    Other than that, I am not sure what you are speaking of. Maybe you could give us some some background?

    I will just do a quick title edit for the sake of clarity.

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    Ross sits down with rookie Offensive Linemen Greg Robinson

    STLramdynasty

    When Ross Tucker asked him about the physicalness of guard vs. tackle Robinson said coaches have had to back him down. He said he “got his hands on Quinn and he went down” and coaches were like you can’t do that to the face of the defense. Robinson said how he is different between the lines. Said they get paid to finish plays. Guess taking it easy on All Pros is tough for our big new mauler. Can’t wait to see him smashing defenses.

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    the site was getting really good.What I liked the most was the absence of trolls.

    Well we can get all that going here, too.

    ..

    in reply to: how will Bradford rate? #792
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    I said I wouldn’t jump in but the thread is falling so I get to pounce on it. So..here’s my thing on Bradford. I put it up before but it got lost in the shifting sands of board moving.

    My bold and reckless claim is that Bradford has already “made it” and if he plays at less than his previous level, it will be a regression.

    That’s not saying he can’t improve. He can. They need to throw more and more successfully in the 11-20 yard range, for example. And he needs to improve his performance under pressure (though he already plays well against the blitz). (Against the blitz in 2013 he had a 69.6% completion percentage which is 2nd only to Peyton Manning).

    And they really do need a consistent, reliable, productive game-in and game-out receiver. I don’t even mean a star. Just someone who can catch 70 balls a year at least and get 1000 yards.

    BUT–in terms of all you need to compete, and have a winning record? Bradford has already proven to me that he can uphold his part of the bargain. Or better–Bradford has already done it.

    I base that on this–a very simple formula (which some might remember).

    If you look at the Fisher Rams and just count the games where they have 2 key things, he has played well on average.

    Those 2 things are:

    1. a relatively healthy OL. At worst, just a couple of short-term injury replacements (like when they replaced Dahl for a couple of games in the 2nd half of 2012)… all lines go through that, more or less. But it can’t be the kind of OL Armaggedon Rams fans have seen all too often, like from the 1st half of 2012 (where they had 3 injury replacements, including both LOT and OC, which is deadly). Now why do I have this criterion? The “relatively healthy” OL criterion? Because NO qb plays well if the OL falls apart (beyond ordinary level of a couple of injuries).

    2. A running threat. I only say that because he didn’t play as well early in 2013 when Richardson could not run. Now to be fair, some rare qbs CAN excel without a running threat. The majority of good qbs can’t. (And I mean the vast majority of GOOD qbs…not talking about game managers like Alex Smith). Either way, this feeds into a clear Bradford strength–play action. Bradford is one of the 3-4 best play action qbs in the game. (In 2013, Brafdford’s completion percentage on play action was 9th in the league. That’s better than Roethlisberger, Stafford, Kaepernick, Brady, Flacco, Romo, Foles, Wilson, Cutler, and Luck.) And btw I am not saying he plays well when they run well. I am saying he plays well when the defense knows the RB is a threat and accounts for him–and sometimes shuts him down. It’s not running yards, though that never hurts, it’s the THREAT of a run that counts here.

    If you look at the Fisher Rams, Bradford has at least 11 games that meet both conditions–the 2nd half of 2012 (when they got the OL starters back) and the final 3 games of 2013 (when Stacy took over for Richardson). (You could count up to 14 games but then the criteria get fuzzier). He did not play as well in all of them, but on average he played well with those things–better than he did without those things. And btw those 11 games include 8 against top 12 defenses. Or if you prefer, 7 against top 8 defenses. Or if you still prefer, 6 again top 7 defenses.

    How well did he play?

    In those games he averages a 64.3% completion percentage, 2 TDs, 0.63 INTs, & a 100.7 qb rating.

    There’s other stuff.

    If you look at big passing plays of 25+ yards, Bradford’s 2013 numbers across 16 games would have ranked him 9th in the league, ahead of Palmer, Rodgers, Romo, Brady, Kaepernick, Luck, and Newton.

    On long passes (which is different from big plays of 25+ yards cause the former includes RAC)….Bradford’s 1.42 attempts a game is just a hair behind Brady and more than Rodgers, Romo, Wilson, Kaepernick, Luck, Manning, Smith, Ryan, Stafford, and Rivers.

    So I am saying he was already playing well enough to be legitimately considered a good tier 2 qb. Like I said. IMO if he DOESN’T play that well in 2014, I will consider it a regression.

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    Blue and Gold

    The Colts had a chipper on him. Pagnano is asking who was there, the other coach said he ran right through it . . .talking about the chip.

    Rams teach their ends to attack the chipper, rather than avoid him and go straight to the tackle. The motto is “Don’t let the chipper take away your fastball”

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    I dunno, I get the impression Salimu is more of a guard at this level.

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    in reply to: You guys really make a fella feel welcome…… #775
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    Always a pleasure to see HPD on the board.

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    You haven’t given up on the avatar, have you?

    It’s easy.

    in reply to: Sando – Ranking 32 NFL QBs by tier #751
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    I think that (1) it is almost inevitable that someone would rate Bradford in tier 3, because the Rams just have not done enough with their passing game yet to do anything, plus he has been hurt 2 of the last 3 seasons.

    But then…truth is, they put Bradford in tier 3 cause of the injuries.

    SANDO: I asked 26 league insiders …. Eight general managers, two former GMs, four pro personnel evaluators, seven coordinators, two head coaches, two position coaches and a top executive participated….

    Just about everyone placed Bradford in the third tier, almost as a hedge. They thought he had the talent to be a solid two, if only he could stay on the field.

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