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A Look at the Roster: WRs; Offensive Line
WRs (11)
81 Kenny Britt 6’3 215 6 Rutgers
Kenny Britt at this point is the biggest steal of the off season in the entire NFL. As long as he can stay healthy, and his knees hold up, he will be the WR this team has looked for since the days of Holt and Bruce. Big, physical receiver, who brings a lot of emotion to his game. He is the unquestionable leader of this unit, being both the #1 cheerleader for each and every WR on the field, and its most talented receiver. He just carries himself like an NFL receiver, and his attitude has rubbed off on the other guys.
83 Brian Quick 6’3 220 3 Appalachian State
Whether it’s been the influence of Britt, or just being more in tune with what it takes to deliver on the talent that garnered the 33rd pick of the draft, Quick has been the biggest surprise of the entire training camp. It’s not just that he is making plays, its how he is doing it. In the past, if he made a mistake or dropped a pass, he would put his head down and look for a place to hide. This year, he has a swagger about him that makes anyone who see it, realize HE now believes he belongs. More importantly, Bradford seems to trust him. He is often the first option, as opposed to the last in previous camps. Crossing fingers and hope it finally happens for this kid.
11 Tavon Austin 5’8 174 2 West Virginia
If it is at all possible, he looks to be playing faster this year. Getting reps both outside at WR and in the slot, especially when Britt and Quick are on the field. Also being seen on a semi regular basis in the backfield, and getting reps in the run game. I am a little concerned that many of his reps are between the tackles which exposes him to more hits that necessary. Obviously, he will be the primary Punt Returner, and will be as dangerous as ever in that role.
12 Stedman Bailey 5’10 193 2 West Virginia
Being paired with Austin in 2 WR sets, he has continued his development. Seems to be establishing a comfort level with Bradford, and should be part of the mix once he returns from his ill-fated suspension. Still appears to be a core contributor on Special Teams, and actually may be missed there as much or more than on offense.
13 Chris Givens 6’0 198 3 Wake Forest
Givens seem to have lost some of the luster in the eyes of the coaching staff. His reps have been greatly reduced, and he is clearly behind all four of the guys already mentioned. He has come on in recent practices, and seems to be finding his stride. But it looks as if he will be a role player this year, being spotted in certain packages. It would take someone to suddenly have a major setback for Givens to make a significant jump on the depth chart. His route tree is still limited, and it still very gun shy running any routes over the middle. Unless this improves, he will be used in a limited role.
18 Austin Pettis 6’3 207 4 Boise State
Working in tandem with Givens, Pettis has also seen his reps decrease this year. He still shows a certain comfort level with Bradford, but I think he will find it difficult to get on the field. In previous camps, he was “the vet” and was given many of the 1st unit reps. Not the case this year, and it’s pretty apparent his role has changed. He is still a presence in the Red Zone, and may find his reps in those situations. Once his 6’3 fame is what set him apart from the other WRs on the roster. That isn’t the case anymore. While I think his roster spot is safe, it wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up being the odd man out.
19 Justin Veltung 5’11 182 1 Idaho
Veltung seems to be taking advantage of being the last of the holdovers from last year’s roster among the WRs. He is currently backing up Austin in the slot, and is one of the guys being given a hard look as a return man on Special Teams. He has flashed some good hands and has made plays when called upon. Still a longshot to stick on the 53 man roster, if they do in fact keep an extra WR through Bailey’s suspension, that leader at this point appears to be Veltung.
16 Emory Blake 6’0 196 1 Auburn
In much the same position as Veltung, he has gotten most of the 2nd unit reps, while also getting some work in the slot when Veltung sat out the past few days. Best hope for him would be another year on the Practice Squad.
87 T.J. Moe 6’0 200 1 Missouri
Until this week, he has been buried on the Depth Chart, shainng 3rd unit reps with guys like Harris and Franklin. Has stepped up since the Scrimmage on Saturday, and has had his best two practices this week. He may have the best hands on the team, catches EVERYTHING thrown in his direction. While he doesn’t possess great straight line speed, his biggest asset is his quickness. He routine gets open on crossing routes and has the ability with the ball in his hands to get extra yards after catch. At this point, I would say he has to have some WOW moments in the Preseason games, to have a chance to stick. Special Teams contributor, of all the UDFA WRs, he has the most upside.
15 Austin Franklin 5’11 189 R New Mexico State
Franklin has shown flashes of athleticism that makes you think he could eventually play at this level. Way too inconsistent in his route running, and his hands are average. With another year, if he can find his way to another training camp, he may develop. But as will be the case with many of these UDFA, not this year.
10 Jordan Harris 6’2 215 R Bryant University
He just hasn’t gotten enough reps in camp to get any kind of feel for his ability. Which might be all you need to know about his ability. Another camp body who likely won’t survive the first wave of cuts.
Offensive Line (16)
Tackles:
77 Jake Long 6’7 322 7 Michigan
Maybe the biggest piece of the 2104 puzzle. A healthy Jake Long will allow everything and everyone else to fall into place across the O-Line. He appears to be right on schedule (if not ahead) to be on the field for the 2nd or 3rd Preseason Game. His workload has gradually increased, with him participating in the majority of the practice the past two day. Still limited somewhat in the 11 on 11 team stuff the second half of practice, he is in on most of the running game drill they have been running this week.
He looks like he is moving well, and even got dinged on his surgically repaired knee at practice yesterday, came up limping, took a few steps and it was like, OKAY, got that out of the way, my knee is good.
72 Joe Barksdale 6’5 326 4 LSU
Barksdale is as consistent as it gets. The best thing you can say about an Offensive Tackle is he doesn’t get noticed very often. While the defensive scheme has been overwhelming at times with all the blitzes, Barksdale hold his own. In the one on one drills, he really shows up. Should continue to improve as the season gets underway. Just one more piece of what could be a vastly improved unit.
64 Sean Hooey 6’9 304 1 Cincinnati
Maybe the most improved lineman in camp this year, he is noticeably bigger. At 6’9 and 300+ lbs, he is long and has issues with speed rushers. But his reach help him recover, and seems to be entrenched at RT and his skill set may be limited to that side of the ball.
73 Mike Person 6’4 299 4 Montana State
Very versatile lineman, has seen reps at both Guard and Tackle most recently being used at LT on the 2nd unit. Somewhat undersized, and gets physically dominate when inside, as enough athleticism outside to have a chance. At this point, has the inside track to one of the final roster spots.
66 Mitchell Van Dyk 6’7 313 R Portland State
Tall lanky, not strong enough to stand up to NFL pass rushers. Will benefit greatly from a year in an NFL weight room. Has decent feet, and has been given a look at LG this week, more as a fill in with players sitting out practice.
62 R. J. Dill 6’7 310 1 Rutgers
One of the last players brought in, has the size to be considered a potential NFL lineman. Not much else. Routinely beaten on the edge while getting 3rd unit reps at RT. Depending on the injury situation with other players on the line, he may survive the initial cut, but not much more than a camp body.
Guards:
79 Greg Robinson (T/G) 6’5 332 R Auburn
Has shown all the athleticism that garnered him the #2 pick in the NFL draft. Highly reported his day to day activity in getting reps at both LT and LG. Once he gets settled at LG, he has all the signs of being an over powering force inside. He physically manhandles guys, and while he still struggles sometimes with the mental side of things (false starts), and still isn’t playing full speed, once he settles it, the sky is the limit.
76 Rodger Saffold (G/T) 6’5 332 4 Indiana
Another player who’s health is vital to the success of this offense, he showed last year he can be a dominant Guard, and will solidify the interior of this O-Line. Versatile, and has worked more at LG than at his projected RG spot, once Long gets back he should be able to get consistent reps at the RG position. Coming to camp at 332 lbs, it shows. Much bigger, but still quick on his feet. One of the leaders of the unit.
69 Davin Joseph 6’3 313 9 Oklahoma
He appears to be recovered from his knee issues. Has missed ONE day of practice, and has taken virtually EVERY snap at RG with the starters. Has a reputation for having a nasty streak about him, in the way he plays the game, it shows in how he attacks his man. Should provide valuable insurance in the event they experience the past health issues on the starting unit. Not saying it will happen, but It wouldn’t shock me either, if they started the season with Joseph at RG, and Saffold at LG.
60 Travis Bond 6’6 330 1 North Carolina
A big & powerful guy, he has been locked in at RG with the 2nd unit since the second day of training camp. Moves well for his size, and is a dominant run blocker. One of those guys when he gets his hands on you, it’s over. Has been a pleasant surprise for me. Could be a guy who manages to make the team, especially if they keep 10.
70 Brandon Washington 6’2 318 2 Miami
One of the holdover from last year, he has missed some valuable time sitting out the past week. His days may be numbered, as I think they have brought in players that have passed him up. He stuck in the past, because he was the best of what was a very thin group, and that’s not necessarily the case now. If he gets back on the field, he could compete with Bond for the last spot.
68 D.J. Morrell 6’6 325 R Old Dominion
Another of that last group of players brought right before camp started, like Dill, he is not much more than a camp body. Doubtful he survives the first cut.
Centers:
63 Scott Wells 6’2 300 11 Tennessee
Another key component on THIS YEAR’S offensive line, he has missed significant time for the 3rd straight training camp. Along with Jake Long, he is working his way back into the mix, getting substantial work in teams drills this past week. Having Wells on the field will be a key, as his experience lining up next to Robinson will go a long way in bringing the talented rookie along. Wells looks good in drills, and his experience will allow him to step right in. He can be effective in pas protection, and with the two big bodies on each side of him, should be much better in the running game in getting to the second level.
61 Tim Barnes 6’4 306 3 Missouri
Has received more reps than anyone on the entire offensive line. With Wells being limited early in camp, to now having Jones M-I-A, Barnes is on the field A LOT. He is bigger and stronger this year, and looks much more confident. He should provide dependable depth at Center, and can play guard if needed. Very good as a shot gun center, he is showing why he has now been in an NFL camp 4 straight year. Also included on the 1st unit Kickoff and FG/XP units.
67 Barrett Jones 6’4 306 2 Alabama
He came to training camp as one of the most polarizing players on the team. He benefited from his time in the weight room, and reshaped his physique and looked much more like an NFL lineman than he did last year. He was involved in a daily rotation with Barnes for the backup center spot, but has been injured, and hasn’t been on the field since before the scrimmage. His injury may be more serious than anyone is admitting to, and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear he finds his to IR.
65 Demetrius Rhaney 6’2 301 R Tennessee State
This team’s last player picked in the NFL draft, he shows surprising athleticism. He has gotten a look at both Center and Guard, he has had his moments, both good and bad. Seems to have the strength to hold up to the bigger bodies of the NFL, but struggles against the quicker guys (Donald). Should be a guy who they have interest in adding to the Practice Squad.
znModeratorInteresting article.
znModeratorWell, he seems to be finding the confidence he has always lacked. He seems to be finding a competitive edge battling with DBs….If it’s all real, if he has really found himself as a competitor, man, he deserves a huge amount of credit.
I’m skeptical about Quick. I’m a doubter. w v
I think I am agreeing with both of you at the same time when I say that I hold both those views simultaneously. Wondering how it will turn out. As in, I have no reason to doubt the reports, which come from everywhere–and it’s not just that he’s making plays, which he always did in practices, it’s that a light has come on. But then, I want to see it consistently in the season.
Of course this could all be true and he could still have the ceiling of a 3rd WR type. Just a consistent, reliable one.
And that would help A LOT. Just that right there would make a difference.
znModerator[Pead:] I don’t think he is on the fence because of the injury. I think he may have finally worn out his welcome. I have heard a few things I am not at liberty to share just yet, about some things that have happened. Let’s just say, the things you hear about him not being exactly the best teammate might be more accurate than previously reported. His issues are ALL about a lack of maturity and selfishness.
Jimi said something similar.
I wonder if they researched Pead the way they did with picks they targeted. You would think that kind of attitude issue would turn up if they had dug into it before the draft. It could be they didn’t have him on a target list so didn’t put in the time they did say with Jenkins or Ogletree.
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[Pead:] I don’t think he is on the fence because of the injury. I think he may have finally worn out his welcome. I have heard a few things I am not at liberty to share just yet, about some things that have happened. Let’s just say, the things you hear about him not being exactly the best teammate might be more accurate than previously reported. His issues are ALL about a lack of maturity and selfishness.
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do you think it’s “fair” for what is basically a new offensive line to face G Williams blitz packages on almost every down?Well, I know for a fact that Schottenheimer is good with it. They BOTH are working off the same script of plays, so Williams knows what the offense is running. These practices are so structured and organized, that they know exactly what will be worked on every single day. I mean in terms of what installation they are implementing. That is why IMO, you see the offense “winning” on some days, and the defense “winning” on days like today.
Obviously, they are evaluating how each unit performs and handles the stuff they are working on, on that particular day. But trust me, this offense will benefit greatly from practicing against this defense every day.
… while we all expect this defense to be special, the offense has been able to make enough plays to make you wonder, if, just maybe we are seeing something come together that may surprise us all.
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[Sam] is being included in the Kickoff Return Team, and I suspect as they started whittling down the roster, (they have to get down to 75 with the first cut) you may see him showing up more and more.
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Quick is being used in many different routes. He has looked good when running the deep post, finally using his size to his advantage. He runs the sideline fade, (ala Danario), running intermediate dig routes, and comeback routes. There really isn’t much he isn’t be asked to run, and he has shown a whole new confidence. Not only that, but BRADFORD is showing tremendous confidence in him by targeting him as a PRIMARY target quite often.
Harkey will be used as a receiver, but mostly on the waggle type routes as the underneath guy. But that was the same play he scored a TD vs. New Orleans last year.
kendricks does look much faster this year. It appears he has slimmed down some, but still will be counted on as an in line TE. He ran a seam route in Saturday’s practice at the dome htat would have been a HUGE gain. They ran BOTH Kendricks and Cook up the seam and the single high safety was in a no win situation.
Moe is still working primarily with the 3rd unit, but has shown up in each of this week’s practices, catching 2 or 3 passes in each. He catches EVERYTHING, and shown the quickness to out run (separate) CB on the crossing routes out of the Slot.
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Tavon will be the BIG PLAY guy, but to think he needs to get 10 offensive touches a game to make a difference is naive. The more success Quick and Britt have, will only benefit Tavon, by giving him more space to operate in. Also, keep in mind, the overall approach on offense will not lend itself to any of these receivers having huge “breakout” years in terms of catches and yards. Just my take on it, but there also should be more big play opportunities off of play action. Also, with this defense, teams SHOULD be punting the ball back to us more frequently. He will have plenty of opportunities to make plays.
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If [the OL gets] to the point where they lose 3 starters all at once, it won’t matter who they have as backups. They will be so limited in what they can do scheme wise, it will be 2012 all over again.
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Hooey was one of the first guys to stand out to me on the very first day of camp. Its obvious he spent plenty of time in the weight room this off season. Aside from being 6’9, he is now well over 300 lbs, and looks to be much stronger at the point of attack. While he has some early struggles vs, Michael Sam, once they put pads on, that seemed to level out. The thing about him, he is limited to the RT spot. He struggles with speed rushers, but has gotten better with using his length and reach to recover.
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Don’t see Carrington having any issues adjusting to this defense. Plus he has the advantage of being a rotational guy, not a key starter as Langford was when he got here.
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As far as Donald being a “primary starter”, I don’t think you will see that for a while. I think he will become a vital part of the rotation, but the way Mike Wauffle rotates his DL, it isn’t going to matter who’s name gets announced as the starter.
znModeratorThat’s a good write-up!
August 6, 2014 at 3:02 am in reply to: Rams LB Ogletree could be scary good in his second NFL season/Balzer #3396znModeratori remember ogletree having problems shedding blocks. what are camp observers’ impressions on how much ogletree has improved in this regard?
also. i’ve read that ogletree has spent some time working with the dline on pass rush moves. have any of the camp observers’ taken note of this?
Good questions. I don’t remember anyone addressing it in the stuff I’ve read.
August 5, 2014 at 10:30 pm in reply to: LaCanfora: Bradford, offense backed by beastly defense #3384znModeratorYup. Size. That’s why Donald was around for the Rams. But, D’Marco says that his arms are really long for his body size. He has just about everything you need, just not all of the measurables. I thought he looked damn good, so I was happy to see him “fall” to 13. Actually, early on, the mocks had him lower in the 1st round.
He’s also strong for his size too, right? (Plus very advanced in technique, as many have said here already).
I think he is more and more being regarded as a steal.
It really is possible he ends up being the best pick in this draft.
znModeratorWagoner has gotten good at these.
I wonder if he reads poster camp reports and realizes how good they are and that those are his real competition.
August 5, 2014 at 9:41 pm in reply to: 8/5 Jim Fadler twitter reports from camp…and twitter reports from others too #3380znModeratorRamBill
Jim Thomas @jthom1
It’s the last open practice of week for the public. So far, Rams practice attendance up 15 to 20 percent from 2013 _ which was a record.
Rams string of 1,000-plus attendance days at practice broken. A crowd of 789 attended Tuesday night’s practice at Rams Park.
Forgot one on did not practice list: Avery Cunningham, and undrafted rookie safety from Middle Tennessee.
Whether it was first team or second team defense Rams had a serious pass rush going throughout practice.
A couple of practice highlights: Quick had a nice diving sideline catch; Britt tracked a deep ball in double coverage for a big gainer.
Longtime Rams security chief Dan Linza, now retired, attended Tues. night’s practice.
Among those returning KOs Tuesday night: Chris Givens, Tre Mason, Greg Reid, Benny Cunningham.
Sean Jensen, former Vikings, Bears beat writer visited Rams Park. He’s now managing editor for the Thrive Sports web site.
WR Brian Quick, who had missed a couple days with an abdominal strain, was back at practice.
C/G Barrett Jones, LG Rodger Saffold, DT Michael Brockers, DT Kendall Langford.
Not practicing Tues: WR Justin Veltung, CB Janoris Jenkins, RB Isaiah Pead, RB Trey Watts, FB Kadeem Jones, LB James Laurinaitis.
Speaking of RBs, Fisher said ideally he’s like to give each RB about 6 carries Friday night.
Zac Stacy left practice early; injury uncertain, doesn’t appear to be serious.
Fisher also said LT Jake Long, C Scott Wells unlikely to play (also as expected).
As he mentioned at the start of camp, Jeff Fisher says QB Sam Bradford unlikely to play vs. Saints on Friday.
August 5, 2014 at 9:21 pm in reply to: 8/5 Jim Fadler twitter reports from camp…and twitter reports from others too #3378znModeratorRamBill
Rams Training Camp Practice Twitter Reports: Aug. 5
Messages are in reverse order–Read from the bottom up of each reporters tweets
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Jamal Collier @JCollierD
Offense working on screen game #RamsCampZac Stacy cramping up. He’s probably done for the day. #RamsCamp practice is a couple hours old.
Janoris isn’t out there, but secondary is gonna be an issue. Absolutely requires elite D line play to not get routinely torched. #RamsCamp
Tavon just came up with a filthy one-handed catch in stride, spins two defenders off a step later & jogs to the end zone. #ramscamp
Sam threw a pretty deep ball. It was off target to the left, but Kenny Britt adjusted and pulled it in. #RamsCamp
Jared Cook struggling with drops. #RamsCamp
Tavon’s grab with LaMarcus Joyner in coverage. #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/LYecZoRmdq
Tavon Austin just made a spectacular catch right in front of me. Schottenheimer even came over after this. #ramscamp pic.twitter.com/me0ZTo59hV
#62 slow to get up, limps off. #RamsCamp
Stedman Bailey hauls in a wobbler on the sideline, running at the crowd. Applause. #RamsCamp
Defense getting all types of wins.
Benny got the edge. This was after the whistle. #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/5zfUawyFmq
Tre Mason is pretty good, y’all. #RamsCamp
Tre Mason just put the D on skates #RamsCamp
Trumaine nearly had a pick when the offense went to the middle on a crossing route. #ramscamp
Janoris out again.
There have been a lot of sideline completions being made all camp. Not sure if CB problem, or big WRs coming into their own. #RamsCamp
Austin Pettis out here making plays again.
Garrett Gilbert dropped a nice one to Chris Givens over Cody Davis. #RamsCamp
znModeratorI think the hesitancy of other GMs to draft Donald was due to his relatively small size. I recall one quote by an NFL personnel guy, which I can only paraphrase as: who in the NFL is he going to overpower?
Yeah it’s true that with the Rams, he fits in and plays a role on an established DL. He’s like the 5th or even 6th guy. But a team would probably be hesitant to build their line around him.
August 5, 2014 at 4:20 pm in reply to: Gordo's Tipsheet: Dalton contract raises bar for Bradford #3360znModeratorDalton contract raises bar for Bradford
Well it kind of doesn’t, really.
The way I have seen this market go, it’s a very simple thing. If you want to keep your starting qb, either you pay him the going avg rate (give or take) gotten by starting qbs in their 2nd contract, or someone else does and you start over.
Last couple of years, that avg. has been around 18 M. Dalton got 19 M so maybe the avg is going up, but not in a “new bar setting” way.
By the time Wilson and Bradford and Foles and RG3 are up, it could be around 20 M.
The guy who will break the avg. is probably going to be Luck.
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znModeratorKenny Britt and Tavon Austin are listed as the starters.
OK, this is really surprising to me. Unless it’s just a matter of semantics.
I do NOT see Tavon as a WR. I would be surprised to hear that the Rams do. He’s a slot, flanker guy.
Now, maybe they are just reflecting him as the starting slot, and listing that position with one of the WRs. That would be a strange way to do things, but …
But if this is not a misleading labeling, I am not thrilled. Tavon should NOT be seen as a WR, IMO.
I think it is just a matter of semantics. To me it simply looks like there’s no “wildcard multi-purpose yards weapon” slot in official roster terminology.
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znModeratorBrief point on Brockers.
I think the problem with his reputation is that people want him to be an impact DT making big plays.
What they forget is the value of a space-eating DT who occupies double teams, clogs the running lanes, and gets some pressure upfield WITHOUT really having the speed to get actual sacks. Those guys are very, very valuable even if they never make the splash plays.
I am not necessarily expecting Brockers to have a breakout year. He may have one, but I don’t see much reason to expect it or to demand it.
What I am excited about is the combination he will form with Donald. Donald is the penetrator who will make big plays. Brockers is the steady partner who will provide a base stability and relentless upfield pressure. Together, they will be the ideal combination. And Brockers will be able to play a crucial role brilliantly.
Unfortunately, many may fail to recognize the value of Brocker’s part of the equation and may continue to complain about him not getting sacks and dramatic tackles for losses.
Can you believe we’re talking about a Rams DL like this.
August 5, 2014 at 11:37 am in reply to: Video: interviews with Greg Robinson, EJ Gaines, Shaun Hill #3345znModeratorActually, she does quite well in her interviews. I am impressed with the young lady.
On a side note: In her interview with Greg Robinson I couldn’t help but notice that he is a really big man.
Demoff talked about that in an interview. IE Robinson. He said that it’s one thing to know how big Robinson was from film and tv, but seeing him in person is just a whole other story. He mentioned running into him in the building one day unexpectedly and called it “a Green Mile moment.”
August 5, 2014 at 9:53 am in reply to: Video: interviews with Greg Robinson, EJ Gaines, Shaun Hill #3339znModeratorCasey Phillips doesn’t do too badly as an interviewer.
znModeratorwhat do people think of the new rule changes and the impact that will have on tavon?
i figure the new rule changes WILL help austin. with dbs not allowed to be as physical it should help a jitterbug type like tavon.
i also believe bailey is the guy to step. it’ll be austin and bailey. with quick or britt making a very effective third wr.
i also think that brockers dominates. it won’t just be donald. he’s the new guy, and understandably, people are excited. but brockers has come in the best shape of his life. he didn’t come in with the technical proficiency that donald does. but people forget. brockers is only 6 months older than donald. he came in as a young raw physical specimen. i fully expect him to have a breakout year. and then combined with donald, this dline should be frightening.
I am not sure about the impact of those rules on Tavon, because the thing with him was not being held, it was keeping guys over him in zones and not giving him space. BUT if other WRs are running free, then, the defense has to choose between stacking up on Austin and paying attention to those other guys.
You could be right about Brockers. Seems to me, when you combine Brockers, Waufle, and Wms, it’s legit to expect something.
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[Dunbar] looked really tough in the middle today and hold his point very well. They have struggled at times with a back up to JL55 that can play other spots to save roster space. My take is if Dunbar can be his backup as well as one of the outside guys it could save a roster spot.
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Stacy had his best day, running hard, and making that decisive cut that he is known for. Bennie Cunningham might be the most improved overall. He is leaner, and in much better shape, and has been maybe the most physical of the Rbs. Cunningham looks to be much better this year. Mason still has much to prove. His quick feet are evident, but he still is “jumpy” in the backfield, and isn’t hitting hole the way he needs to. He shows a nice burst getting to the edge, but right now, is behind Stacy, Cunningham and even Pead on the depth chart, and its about right where he should be. (for now).
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Michael Sam has leveled off some, but he won’t embarrass himself if he makes this team. And it appears he will be given every chance to do just that. He has a role a Special Teams, whereas Westbrooks hasn’t shown up on any so far.
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Reid is NOT found on ANY of the Special Teams at this point. Admittedly, they have not worked on any Punt Returns, but he is NOT going to make this roster as a 6th CB if only capable of being a backup Punt Returner. I know I spend a lot of time talking about Special Teams with guys like this, but to me, its a very good way of seeing how the depth guys are looked upon by this coaching staff. If they are gonna make the team as the 5th or 6th CB, 6th LB, or in Sam’s case, 9th DL, it will be BECAUSE of ST. The who aren’t showing up on these units by now, will have a long road to hoe in the next 4 weeks to make this roster.
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I have never been a fan of the trash talking. My boyhood idol was Roger Wehrli, who never said a word. He just lined up and knew he was better than you. And better yet, YOU knew he was too. I don’t mind a quick witted comment every now and then, but these guys seem to think it somehow adds something to their game, when . . .more often than not it just sets you up to fail and then be embarrassed on top of it.
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It has been reported more than once that [Bradford] is bigger, and stronger due to his working out and being forced to work on his upper body. He has plenty of zip on his throws, and seems to be very confident in making throws he seemed hesitant to make in the past. Also, he is showing much more confidence in guys like Quick and Bailey. In previous camps, he only looked at Quick as a last resort. Now he is often his first option. They have been on the same page on a few “Sight adjustments” which was unheard of before now. Unless there is a major setback, I expect him to be as close to 100% come Sept 7th.
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I have never expected [Jones] to be the savior that many thought he would be. Can he still be a factor? Not if he isn’t on the field. Have no idea what is up with him not being around since last week. I mean, he isn’t even on the sidelines. The guy was very good on a very good line at Alabama. But the question begs to be asked, how much of that is the program, and how much is the players? Not exactly a long line of great O-linemen among the NFL ranks.
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Bond has taken almost every 2nd unit snap at RG since camp opened. He is a big powerful guy, and his run blocking is devastating. He could be the surprise coming out of camp.Bond is definitely more involved than Washington, who has not practiced now for almost a week. Just a hunch, but I think his days may be numbered. The thing about Bond, at least for me, I would like to see if he can get some work at OT. If there was enough there to prove serviceable as a utility T/G, it would increase his value. They need to find someone who can supply depth at OT, we have plenty of depth at G. Bond got some early work at OT, but nothing since they settled on him at RG. Hooey, Person and Van Dyk all have their moments, but have been inconsistent. I think right now, they seem to be more impressed with Hooey at a Tackle, but he has been kept at RT primarily. Person has moved all over the place, so his versatility may be the deciding factor.
Over matched might be a stretch, but when [Wells] was being counted on to pick up the garbage leftover from Williams or S. Smith, I can see why [someone would say that]. Doubt that is a problem this year with Robinson and Saffold on either side of whoever the Center is. And provided it stays this way, Wells is healthy, and WILL be the starter.
Joseph is still firmly entrenched at RG with the 1st unit. . .when Saffold isn’t.
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[Gilbert] has a lot to like about him. . . .Gilbert got lost in the shuffle with all the love being shown the SEC QBs. And playing for June Jones is a definite plus to me in his development. When comparing his skill set to the likes of McCarron, Murray, Conner Shaw, and even to a point Mettenberger, I like Gilbert. He may just end up being the best of them all.
znModeratorI will be disappointed if he blitzes getting off the bus. Our DL doesn’t need that.
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-always have at least one LB or DB threatening the blitz.
– Send the blitz occasionally, often enough to keep the QB guessing.This one is hard to get a read on. He will blitz probably more than we have seen before from this…or come to think of it, most Rams defenses. According to one camp report, he already has blitzed 2 LBs at once. So if I had to bet, I would say he blitzes more than you expect, or hope.
Now that I am on the subject, it reminds me how much he blitzed in New Orleans. This isn’t part of a “what will he do with the Rams” discussion, because the New Orleans situation was over the top and desperate. The percentage of sacks going to non-DL there was preposterously high. According to a quick tally, in 2011, his last year there, 47% of the sacks were made by back 7 players, LBs and DBs…but then the teams as a whole only got 33 sacks. (That means the entire 2011 Saints DL combined did not get as many sacks as Quinn did last year by himself.) Percentage of total sacks doesn’t tell you what percentage they actually blitzed, of course, but that high a number tells you something.
August 5, 2014 at 12:21 am in reply to: LaCanfora: Bradford, offense backed by beastly defense #3317znModeratorMy point exactly.This is the same clown that was saying the Rams were not going to resign him by any means possible.LaCanfora=useless gossip columnist.
Thomas on 920 was directly asked about LaConfora’s report that Bradford didn’t look entirely back yet, and Thomas openly disagreed with that.
That’s here. The 2nd Thomas podcast in this post. He discusses LaConfora’s version of things at 10:50 in.
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/920101-audio-demoff-witherspoon-who-replaces-softli-wagoner/
August 4, 2014 at 11:23 pm in reply to: LaCanfora: Bradford, offense backed by beastly defense #3312znModeratorRegardless of this storie,LaCanfora is a piece of trash reporter that is no more than a gossip columnist ala Rona Barrett.
He is the only one saying Bradford might not be in their plans:
The Rams did oodles of work on quarterbacks in the 2014 draft, and their intrigue regarding Johnny Manziel was very real. Had Johnny Football fallen a little bit deeper I wouldn’t have been surprised if the Rams traded back into the first round to grab him.
znModeratorDo you think Cook will improve on what he showed last year? It’s just camp I know but your guess is better than anybody’s because you’ve seen him. I mean I know he showed promise, and I know he did catch his share, but early in the season for example I swear he was matador-ing on blocks.
znModeratorI see deep out and go routes being more of an option than before. I think that is a by product of the ground and pound attack featuring Stacy. I think Sam’s attempts will be down but YPA (yards per pass attempt) will be way up.
That’s what’s needed.
What do you think is going on with Givens?
znModeratorNot really…..talked more about the new electronics venture than anything else….but that move by Quinn believe I wasn’t the only one making such a fuss.
I have a theory. They seem to be very conscious about working in the medium range (21-30) and deep (31+) passing game this summer. You hear about it when Fisher and Bradford get interviewed. Is that your impression too? I personally think that Fisher doesn’t just want to hold scores down and win close ones with tough defense. I think he wants to put that defense on the field with leads, and demolish teams. Anything to all this?
znModeratorSpeaking of which at one point I turned to my friend and said…”Britt is the first NFL professional caliber bona fide wide receiver Sam Bradford has had since Mark Clayton….which of course was Mark Clayton’s cue to come up and sit beside and tell us….”Hi I’m Mark Clayton.” He was in town for business concerning his new electronics venture and just coincidentally picked that moment to come up….that or the universe is calling to me.
Great story.
He say anything worth telling?
znModeratorRamBill
Jim Thomas @jthom1
Mizzou WR T.J. Moe had a couple of nice catches Monday, including one where he tiptoed to stay in bounds on a sideline route.
Joyner and WR Kenny Britt had some interesting sequences as well.
There were lots of collisions Monday, with S Rodney McLeod and RB Zac Stacy running into each other on several occasions.
Also out were CB Janoris Jenkins, WR Brian Quick, DT Kendall Langford, CB Brandon McGee, RB Trey Watts, FB Kadeem Jones, LB Pat Schiller. ..C/G Barrett Jones, OG Brandon Washington, and G/T Rodger Saffold. None of the injuries is thought to be serious.
MLB James Laurinaitis (ankle) and DT Michael Brockers (ankle) were among those who missed practice Monday.
“That’s brotherhood out there,” Joyner said of the scuffle. “We’re not playing for paychecks out there. We’re playing for championships.”
Joyner got in a scuffle with WR Austin Pettis that ended up with more than a dozen Rams teammates involved trying to break things up.
He was his feisty self in what was a very spirited practiced Monday _ lots of hitting. Thud tempo, but with a capital T.
DB Lemarcus Joyner back on field after tweaking groin during special teams practice last Tuesday.
On a warm, humid day, the Rams kept their string of 1,000-plus spectators at camp going _ but just barely, at 1,003.
Coming to an electronics store near you in the fall: Former Rams WR Mark Clayton has a company (LIVV) that is producing high tech headphones
Production begins in October. Clayton, in town for business, took in Rams practice and said he was impressed w/what he saw from WR corps.
During a one-one red zone period S Cody Davis grabbed a bobbled ball by Franklin for an INT in the end zone.
With the Rams in pads CB Greg Reid is starting to show up. He had a couple of nice hits, and stepped in front of an out pattern from. . .
QB Garrett Gilbert intended for WR Austin Franklin for a pick 6.
One followup note to Laurinaitis not practicing, Jo-Lonn Dunbar was at middle LB with the starters.
I usually don’t put much stock in these depth charts this early in the year. (BTW, Michael Sam listed as 3rd-team RDE behind Quinn, Sims.)
znModeratorRamBill
Nick Wagoner @nwagoner
WR Brian Quick also did not practice again.
Wrong CB in mentioning those sitting. Not CB Reid, should say CB Brandon McGee, who did not practice. He’s been battling ankle issue.
LB Laurinaitis, DT Brockers, OL Saffold, DT Langford, CB Jenkins, CB Reid, OL B. Jones among those not participating on Monday.
Rookie S Christian Bryant, who had yet to practice as a Ram, was on the field Monday. Was previously on non-football injury list.
Some big collisions involving RB Zac Stacy also. Dropped shoulder on LB Armstrong, S McDonald and S McLeod (a few times on latter).
Joyner also mixed it up with WR Kenny Britt a couple of times. But only real fight was Pettis/Joyner.
And we had our first official skirmish of this camp. DB Lamarcus Joyner and WR Austin Pettis swung at each other after a play in team drill.
#Rams off the field from very physical Monday afternoon practice. Lots of “thudding” and contact run drills.
Again, don’t read too much into these depth charts. Unofficial and for those watching, #Rams shuffling through guys all over the place.
Cunningham listed as No. 2 behind Stacy. Tre Mason is on fourth line with Trey Watts. Could simply be product of status as rookies.
Chart lists Britt and Austin as starting receivers with Quick and Bailey as backups. Pettis and Givens listed on third line.
Since it’s game week, #Rams official release comes replete with an unofficial depth chart. Some notes to follow with that important caveat.[/quote]
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Jamal Collier @JCollierD
Austin Davis got some extra work in with Jordan Harris and Chris Givens. #RamsCamp
All of the tight ends had a little post-practice running to do. Penance for the drops, presumably. #RamsCamp
Sam Bradford would’ve been sandwiched between Aaron Donald and Robert Quinn just now, which means Donald is running with the 1s. #RamsCamp
Greg Reid just broke on a pass intended for Austin Franklin. Pick-six in practice, pick-six in a game. #ramscamp
Looks like Tre Mason is one of those fall-forward types.
Darren Woodard chased Chris Givens down after the whistle. #ramscamp
Another Kendricks incompletion. Ray Ray Armstrong in coverage. #ramscamp
Austin Pettis and LaMarcus Joyner got into it. Couple punches thrown. Pics later. #ramscamp
Zac Stacy trying to run over everybody. Smacked into Rodney McLeod after whistle. #RamsCamp
Kendricks drops a low Bradford ball. #ramscamp
Made an effort to watch Trumaine Johnson since he’s back out here. Stedman Bailey escorted him away from Tavon after a WR screen completion.
Gilbert finds Moe across the middle. #ramscamp
Garrett Gilbert put it on the back shoulder for TJ Moe. Applause. #ramscamp
I was watching defense. Tip or drop almost ended up in the hands of a crashing TJ McDonald. #ramscamp
Tavon had a nice run after catch in the middle of the field. #ramscamp
In other news, Stedman Bailey just got another catch in traffic. #RamsCamp
Somebody just took Kenny Britt’s helmet off. #ramscamp
OK, Sam Bradford dropped a dime to Austin Pettis. Right sideline, between two DBs, over a jumper. TD. #RamsCamp
Ray Ray Armstrong getting first-team defense work with JL55 out. #ramscamp
They’re trying to hit the camera guy with kicks again. Getting reeeeeal close. #RamsCamp
FA TE Alex Bayer just drew some oohs with a sideline grab. #RamsCamp
A lot of jawing going on from the defense. #RamsCamp
D’Marco Farr right behind me saying more glowing things about Stedman Bailey on radio. Loves him on every down. #ramscamp
Austin Davis dump to Tre Mason falls incomplete. #ramscamp
Kenny Britt grabs one over the middle and then gives a shimmy to a DB. #ramscamp
Bradford is starting to turn up the heat on his throws. #ramscamp
Bradford zips one to Stedman Bailey. Robert Quinn and Jake Long hit the deck together. #ramscamp
Janoris Jenkins not practicing either. #ramscamp pic.twitter.com/mExlQji71W
11s. Defense says “it’s personal!” #ramscamp
Cody Davis intercepts Garrett Gilbert in a 1-on-1 on the outside. Receiver tipped it up
All the WRs are on the side that Bradford is on now #ramscamp
Sam Bradford & Austin Davis just switched places. Wouldn’t read into it just yet #ramscamp
Diving grab from Jordan Harris. #ramscamp
Still looking for more velocity from Mr. Bradford #RamsCamp
Special teams practicing against each other. Half have red caps on top of their helmets. #RamsCamp
It’s allegedly 92 degrees, but I’m pouring sweat right now. Offense is in navy. Defense in white. Tavon has pants on. Trippin. #RamsCamp
Guys are awaiting punts with ball in hand already, then tossing a ball or two up as they try to catch those AND the punted one. #ramscamp
It is hot out at #ramscamp. Chris Givens among the guys doing early field work. Chase Reynolds was signing autographs when I came in.
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Mathieu Debuchy « @WoozyVirtuoso
Greg Reid was picked on a bit, giving up 5 receptions on 7 targets. Made up for it a little bit with an interception at the end. #RamsCamp
Tavon Austin and Sam Bradford hooked up effectively on 3 different occasions. Really worked the slot well. #RamsCamp
Garrett Gilbert had one of his better days today. 11/13 (85%), 1 INT, 6 Checks/Screens. #RamsCamp
Seemed like coaches wanted to work on the timing throws underneath, so no need to worry about that too much. #RamsCamp
Sam Bradford Today: 18/24 (75%), 11 Checks/Screens. #RamsCamp
Greg Reid intercepts Gilbert on a short curl to Austin Franklin. #RamsCamp
Pettis and Joyner get into a fist fight. Punches thrown. Teammates have to separate them. #RamsCamp
Tavon just killed Joyner in the slot on a quick out. #RamsCamp
Joyner and Britt getting into it! Joyner rips off Britt’s helmet! #RamsCamp
Sam just fit a BEAUTFUL ball in to Austin Pettis, over Tru and in front of McLeod. #RamsCamp
Sam throwing underneath quite a bit today. But seems like that’s what coaches want today. #RamsCamp
Hill-Bayer have been on all day. #RamsCamp
Bayer is 4/4 today. Connecting in soft spots in zone, underneath, making hands catches. #RamsCamp
Alex Bayer has been Mr Consistency this camp. #RamsCamp
I haven’t seen a practice with this much energy. #RamsCamp
Double reverse to Tavon…. Sam the lead blocker… #RamsCamp
Ray Ray just did the DX chop after the run stop. #RamsCamp
Janoris in shorts again. #RamsCamp
Mo Alexander just got schooled on a slant by Franklin. #RamsCamp
Cody Davis impressive in 1 on 1′s. Picked off Gilbert.. Covering Franklin. #RamsCamp
Joyner hits like a mac-truck for a guy of his size. But we knew that already. Just confirming it today in drills. #RamsCamp
Kid out here with a #43 Dahl jersey. Would love to hear the backstory on that one. #RamsCamp
Pead and Bailey working as gunners on punts. #RamsCamp
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znModeratorthat te group is special
Interestin.
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