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znModeratorMike Mayock@MikeMayock
On a windy day in Memphis – Paxton lynch let it rip..big arm and improved footwork = 1st rd===
RamBill: Kirwan and Jim Miller were talking about Lynch today and they don’t think he’ll last until the Rams pick at this point. Miller likes him better than Goff. They compare him to Flacco, but much more athletic. He’ll have one of the strongest arms in the league…..he’s just not ready at this point.
znModeratorWell surgery was today, it went well, visited the hospital twice, she comes home tomorrow or Friday, the rehab will get her up and going in a couple of weeks.
Before today’s surgery, this year it would take her 45 seconds or so to come down a short flight of stairs. So now all that’s over…just the rehab.
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znModeratorPaxton Lynch’s draft range: Rams, Broncos, Cowboys among fits
By Bucky Brooks
The pre-draft process is an intel-gathering mission on prospective employees. And although certain prospects tend to attract groupthink in the scouting community, others generate the varied opinions that come from 32 different franchises with 32 unique approaches to talent evaluation. Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks is taking a closer at some of the most notable — and polarizing — prospects in the 2016 NFL Draft, to determine draft range and team fits.
Today’s subject: Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch
CEILING: Top half of the first round — San Francisco 49ers (No. 7 overall), Philadelphia Eagles (No. 8), Chicago Bears (No. 11), Los Angeles Rams (No. 15).
FLOOR: Low first round/early second round — Arizona Cardinals (No. 29), Denver Broncos (No. 31), Dallas Cowboys (No. 34), San Diego Chargers (No. 35).
LYNCH’S PRO DAY: April 6.
What I like
Lynch is an athletic dual-threat playmaker with exceptional size, movement skills and arm talent. It is hard to find a 6-foot-7, 244-pounder capable of executing the zone read and quarterback power while also possessing the ability to throw fastballs to the perimeter from the pocket or on the move. That’s why scouts have been salivating over Lynch’s potential as a franchise quarterback since he burst onto the national scene with a spectacular performance (39 of 53 for 384 yards with three touchdowns and a pick) in the Tigers’ 37-24 win over Ole Miss last October. Lynch has all of the physical tools to shine in any offense, but it is his combination of arm talent and athleticism that has piqued the interest of creative offensive minds. Play designers with extensive experience melding RPOs (run-pass options), sprint-out passes, bootlegs and traditional concepts could view Lynch as the ultimate prospect to develop as a franchise quarterback. Although he is far from a finished product as a dropback passer and lacks extensive reps taking the ball from under center, Lynch could quickly master those maneuvers and become a deadly playmaker from the pocket.
Studying the All-22 coaches tape, Lynch’s arm talent is intoxicating. It is hard to find a passer capable of delivering the ball with more zip and velocity — to every area of the field — as effortlessly as Lynch. He fires the ball to the boundary from the opposite hash on a rope. The combination of ball speed and placement makes his passes nearly impossible for defenders to catch despite terrific anticipation or timing. Thus, Lynch could develop into an exceptional tight-window passer at the next level when he understands his limitations as a gunslinger.
Why the range?
Despite Lynch’s immense potential as a franchise quarterback, there are plenty of concerns surrounding the Memphis standout. He entered the NFL early, after his redshirt junior season, and will need some time to acclimate to the speed and tempo of the pro game. In addition, Lynch spent his college days in a spread offense that prominently featured RPOs, bubble screens and quick routes. Thus, he hasn’t been exposed to complex passing concepts (full-field reads or pure-progression passes) and his lack of experience with those tactics could make it tough for him to get onto the field — unless a coach is willing to use part of Memphis’ offensive system in the basic game plan.
o a concern for scouts evaluating Lynch. The Tigers played in the American Athletic Conference, and last season, Lynch faltered in the team’s three biggest conference games (Navy, Houston and Temple) down the stretch. Most importantly, he struggled mightily against Auburn in a Birmingham Bowl performance (16 of 37 for 106 yards and an interception) that exposed his flaws as a playmaker on a big stage. Although Lynch’s supporters point to the circumstances affecting his play — Memphis head coach Justin Fuente accepted a job at Virginia Tech and didn’t coach the bowl game — the fact that Lynch didn’t perform well in a series of big games raises some concern over his ability to lead his team to the winner’s circle.
Where would he excel?
It is important for any team considering Lynch as a franchise quarterback to entertain the possibility of blending some of the RPO concepts and lay-ups (bubble screens and quicks) into the game plan, to help him find his footing as a young playmaker. In addition, I believe a team with a strong running game and a diverse, complementary play-action passing attack would be a great fit for Lynch, based on his inexperience as a traditional dropback passer. Thus, teams like Denver and Los Angeles strike me as ideal environments for Lynch to grow into a franchise guy. The Broncos, in particular, have a structure in place (strong running game and dominant defense) to help Lynch slowly develop as a playmaker. He could lean on the C.J. Anderson-led ground attack, thus allowing him to throw high-percentage passes off run-action plays on various flood concepts and half-field reads. Also, Lynch could focus on learning how to manage the game with a nasty defense that’s capable of holding the score down.
The Rams offer Lynch a terrific opportunity to play alongside a pair of electric talents (Todd Gurley and Tavon Austin). Moreover, he would play for a coach (Jeff Fisher) who is comfortable featuring an athletic quarterback. Fisher enjoyed success with Steve McNair and Vince Young at the helm in Tennessee; he could take advantage of Lynch’s running skills and mobility as a complement to the Rams’ hard-hitting rushing attack. In addition, he would give the Rams a young, dynamic quarterback to build around for the foreseeable future.
The Cowboys and Chargers also would qualify as good landing spots for Lynch, based on the presence of a veteran quarterback and experienced quarterback teachers. Each team needs to identify a young signal caller to develop for a prominent role down the road; Lynch could be an intriguing prospect to groom.
znModeratorPatriots were 29th. Washington 31st. Two playoff teams.
Musta been well-coached and had some depth.Most of the playoff teams were in the top half
of the health-rankings. Three of the top four.
Health matters.w
vWell, the Patz suffered endless OL injuries. But they had Brady. Brady didn’t get injured, and much of the time—until they faced a top defense—he overcame the line issues.
Washington, on the other hand, had a never injured Cousins. Cousins is not Brady so they needed the OL…and sure enough, not only did they have a good veteran OL, but out of 80 possible starts, their original OL only missed 10 starts.
So the rule? Don’t get both your qb and you OL injured. Or, if you have Brady, don’t get your qb injured.
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April 6, 2016 at 4:08 pm in reply to: Patriots fans sue to get draft pick back, cite ‘emotional distress’ #41547znModeratorThis was posted on April 6, so I assume it is real or just the story line for the next episode of “Better Call Saul”.
It’s real.
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znModeratorQuick setup and release in the pocket — rare for a QB of his size
— quick release …I like that kind of stuff in my qb.
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April 6, 2016 at 8:35 am in reply to: Patriots fans sue to get draft pick back, cite ‘emotional distress’ #41533znModeratorTodd Orsatti, a season-ticket holder, said his daughter is now bitterly jaded because of the whole ordeal.
Oh no.
April 6, 2016 at 7:32 am in reply to: massive document leak reveals a global web of corruption and tax avoidance #41529znModeratorThe Panama Papers Show Us That Every Political System in the World Might Be Rigged
And they’re the result of a brilliant international exercise in investigative journalism.http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a43587/panama-papers/
MADISON, WISCONSIN—You’ll have to forgive me, but it was the weekend, so I didn’t manage to get through all 11.5 million files that were leaked regarding who was stashing how much money where around the globe. But I read enough to know that a whole massive amount of the world’s financial and political corruption got dumped onto the Intertoobz, certainly enough to give more weight to the possibility that every political system in the world—even the nakedly authoritarian ones—is hopelessly rigged, and that the marvelous new world of the miraculous global economy is an even bigger thieves’ paradise than you, me, or even Jamie Dimon thought it was.
Twelve national leaders are among 143 politicians, their families and close associates from around the world known to have been using offshore tax havens. A $2bn trail leads all the way to Vladimir Putin. The Russian president’s best friend—a cellist called Sergei Roldugin—is at the centre of a scheme in which money from Russian state banks is hidden offshore. Some of it ends up in a ski resort where in 2013 Putin’s daughter Katerina got married.
Among national leaders with offshore wealth are Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan’s prime minister; Ayad Allawi, ex-interim prime minister and former vice-president of Iraq; Petro Poroshenko, president of Ukraine; Alaa Mubarak, son of Egypt’s former president; and the prime minister of Iceland, Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson. Six members of the House of Lords, three former Conservative MPs and dozens of donors to UK political parties have had offshore assets. The families of at least eight current and former members of China’s supreme ruling body, the politburo, have been found to have hidden wealth offshore. Twenty-three individuals who have had sanctions imposed on them for supporting the regimes in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Russia, Iran and Syria have been clients of Mossack Fonseca. Their companies were harboured by the Seychelles, the British Virgin Islands, Panama and other jurisdictions. A key member of Fifa’s powerful ethics committee, which is supposed to be spearheading reform at world football’s scandal-hit governing body, acted as a lawyer for individuals and companies recently charged with bribery and corruption. One leaked memorandum from a partner of Mossack Fonseca said: “Ninety-five per cent of our work coincidentally consists in selling vehicles to avoid taxes.”
It strikes me that one of the worst jobs in the world is to be the front man for all the money that Vladimir Putin stole. Somewhere out there is an umbrella full of plutonium with your name on it, tovarich. Another thing that strikes me is that this vast web of interlocking schemes, all 11.5 million files of it, represents the shady doings of one freaking firm. The mind, she boggles and the gob, she is smacked.(Also, it’s almost hard to believe at this point that somebody involved with FIFA’s ethics committee would be part and parcel of massive international corruption. Most sports have had what they call “brushes” with organized crime. International soccer is nothing but organized crime.)
These revelations are the result of a brilliant international exercise in investigative journalism, muckraking in at least half-a-dozen examples. It also is the result of what Edward Snowden did, whether people want to admit it or not. Now, it’s time for all the governments named in these documents to come clean, and for their citizens to demand that they do so. And while there isn’t yet a major American political or financial figure tied to these files, the glimpse they give into how the international oligarchs do their business, while arranging to stiff their native countries of the taxes they by right ought to be paying, is bound to resonate in the current presidential election. These are the ultimate loopholes through which much of the world’s wealth disappears, never to return again.
April 6, 2016 at 7:15 am in reply to: 2016 mocks & rankings & general draft commentaries, thread 2 #41528znModeratorPRO FOOTBALL WEEKLY
Arthur Arkush NFL Mock Draft
http://www.profootballweekly.com/draft/mock/arthur-arkush/
1 Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss
Best player in draft fills Titans’ greatest need; no need to overthink it.2 Carson Wentz QB North Dakota State
Variety of QBs Hue Jackson has developed bodes well for Wentz.3 Joey Bosa D EOhio State
Bolts have lacked front-seven cornerstone for too long.4 Jalen Ramsey CB Florida State
Ramsey and Byron Jones give Dallas two dynamic athletes in secondary.5 Myles Jack OLB UCLA
Jack gives Gus Bradley’s rebuilding ‘D’ loads of flexibility.6 Jared Goff QB California
*Predicted trade with Eagles* How much will Roseman enjoy leapfrogging Kelly for franchise QB?7 Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State
Not sold on Carlos Hyde, Chip lands heavy-back with QB in flux.8 Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame
*Predicted trade with Ravens* Eugene Monroe has inspired little confidence since receiving big extension.9 DeForest Buckner DE Oregon
Buckner, McCoy and newcomer Robert Ayers would combine to spark rush in a big way.10 Vernon Hargreaves III CB Florida
Hargreaves is great value to pair with Jenkins for supremely confident, dynamic CB duo.11 A’Shawn Robinson DT Alabama
Would’ve loved Hargreaves but next-best-player also fills glaring need.12 Sheldon Rankins DT Louisville
New Orleans’ three-technique search yields best one in draft.13 Jack Conklin OT Michigan State
After missing on corner and running back, Phins settle for best remaining O-lineman.14 Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
Reggie McKenzie cares little about Oakland busting out on ‘Bama ‘backer before his arrival.15 Paxton Lynch QB Memphis
Case Keenum isn’t NFL starter but he can build a bridge to one with rare tools requiring molding.16Kevin Dodd DE Clemson
Dodd opposite Ansah could be holy terror for Teryl Austin’s group.17 Laquon Treadwell WR Ole Miss
Treadwell would be a heck of a compliment to Julio Jones.18 Taylor Decker OT Ohio State
Decker is the kind of tough brawler Jim Irsay demanded for last offseason.19 Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
Alexander gives Buffalo third stud CB, insurance with Gilmore in contract year.20 Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Todd Bowles’ aggressive scheme lacks athletic second-level edge rusher.21 Robert Nkemdiche DT Ole Miss
Scot McCloughan believes in second chances and this one’s well worth giving.22 Corey Coleman WR Baylor
Rick Smith, Bill O’Brien not messing around with offensive overhaul.23 Josh Doctson W RTCU
Can Doctson be what Cordarrelle couldn’t for RickSpielman — a dependable, big-play WR?24 Darron Lee OLB Ohio State
Is he a safety? Outside ‘backer? Cincy can use more speed in both areas.25 Shaq Lawson DE Clemson
Kevin Colbert goes back to edge-rushing well with Jarvis Jones nearing bust status.26 Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
Seattle will love his athleticism, even if Spriggs another raw blocker for unit needing instant help.27 Jarran Reed DT Alabama
Tremendous value and need pick for Ted Thompson.28 Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma
Shepard, Maclin and Kelce gives Alex Smith all the weapons he should need.29 Ryan Kelly C Alabama
Arizona hopes its O-line drafting improves with safe, Day One starter.30 Derrick Henry RB Alabama
Move over Cam another athletic freak arrives in Carolina backfield31 Connor Cook QB Michigan State
Patience running thin, Elway take calculated reach to insure future.znModeratorHave not seen it.
The criticism I heard is, it whitewashes the fact that at some point he actually was a party-line defender of commie regimes.
znModeratorJT: And this may surprise you. but at least one evaluation at Rams Park had Tim Barnes as the team’s highest-rated offensive lineman in 2015.
zn: That’s interesting.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
just kidding.
I think it’s a good think. I think Barnes does well when you factor 3 things in. 1. he looks better with an experienced guard next to him. 2. They like him because he plays well on the move, getting to the 2nd level etc. 3. They like him because he knows the system and how to make smart line calls.
The people who don’t like him, I think, mostly grade him low on straight-ahead one on one blocking. But I don’t think that’s what they value in a center. He’s supposed to team with the guard on a lot of that kind of thing. Like Wells before him, they like him because of his movement and smarts.
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znModeratorAnd this may surprise you. but at least one evaluation at Rams Park had Tim Barnes as the team’s highest-rated offensive lineman in 2015.
That’s interesting.
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znModeratorhttp://www.draftcountdown.com/mock-draft/2016-mock-draft/round-1/
Memphis QB Paxton Lynch is going to be an extremely enticing option for teams that are in what I like to call quarterback purgatory. No team better exemplifies that term than the now Los Angeles Rams, who seemingly have all the rest of the pieces in place to contend but just can’t seem to get it right at the games most important position. You don’t often find signal callers with the type of talent and upside that Lynch offers beyond the Top 10 overall. Lynch is still a bit rough around the edges but no more so than Blake Bortles, who was the third overall pick a couple of years ago. Lynch checks in at an imposing 6-6 5/8 and 244 pounds, which has led to some lazy comparisons to Joe Flacco. Lynch certainly isn’t the second coming of Michael Vick but he is surprisingly athletic and elusive and not merely a statuesque pocket passer. Lynch spins a great ball with an effortless delivery, has more than enough arm strength to make all of the throws and displays excellent touch down the field. Lynch will require a small degree of patience but has the potential to be the most valuable of commodities – a true franchise quarterback. If Lynch is available at this point the Rams should thank the football gods for their good fortune and sprint to the podium.
znModeratorApril 5, 2016 at 7:35 pm in reply to: Is everything in the Universe made of the same 'thing'? #41505znModeratorArticles about Quarks, and atoms and string theory,
and big bangs, etc, etc etc etc — should highlight
the fact that ‘we’ have no idea what the Universe/people/anything
is “made of”.Well we know that people/and most every thing we see are made of atoms, and atoms are made of protons and electrons, and protons are made of quarks.
What we don’t know is whether electrons and quarks are made of anything else, or not.
It’s not that we don’t know what they are made of. It’s that we don’t know even IF they are made of something else or not. (Though, most likely, not.) But then, why keep adding that?
As a rule science doesn’t talk about “everything” a lot of the time. Most of the time, it talks about specific things. So it gets old and redundant to say over and over “the sun is made of a complex interaction between gravitational pressure pulling atoms inward and nuclear energy pushing them out. Now please add standard caveat that we don;t know what gravity, energy, and sub-sub-atomic sub-particles are made of.”
I personally don’t need mystery. I also don’t need its opposite. I just like hearing what they know, so far. So I personally understand why they don’t keep adding the “don’t know” part.
It’s like football talk. There’s only so far it can go, and we know that. “Keenum gets a 1st down! Granted, this does not help us determine if quarks are elemental particles or not. And why did the French invent ragout?”
znModeratorGR Reynolds Barnes (pickem) Hav
I like the vet next to GR.
znModeratorJason Cole@JasonColeBR
Source: #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick will not take pay cut, nor will team pay off part of deal to make trade happen. No deal with #Broncos.znModerator. but this is also his first full offseason without having some type of injury to rehab from. so here’s hoping.
Yeah he hasn’t even gotten to the real coaching yet.
I mean, yeah, he just ought to be better…I don’t want to guarantee it, but, it seems pretty likely.
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April 5, 2016 at 1:55 am in reply to: informal poll–for or against trading up? trading down? staying put? #41469znModeratorfrom off the net
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Was just listening to Sirius and Gil Brandt mentioned that there isn’t much difference from player 17-50 that basically there was only 16 sure fire 1st round bets for him this year.
znModeratorNot sure I follow. You talking about NFL.com archives? Coach’s 22? That kind of thing?
znModeratorfrom off the net
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Rams Junkie
The Kap situation has ramifications for the quarterback availability in the draft.
On Path to the Draft Jeremiah said it looks like it will come down to the draft. He referred to it as musical chairs and said we will have to have some of the players seated before we see what happens with Kap. He mentioned Harvard. He also said a team that did not get the QB they wanted in the draft will make a trade for Kap.
I would expect either Denver or the 49ers are going to take one of the top QBs off the board and it will be the team who does not have Kap.
If you are pulling for the Rams to trade up for Goff maybe you hope that Kap stays a 49er so they give Kelly and Kap a year to work together and not turn Kap into Tre.
If you are pulling for the Rams to draft Lynch (and not having Elway trying to trade up to 14) then you are hoping for Kap to Denver.
If you are hoping for a WR at 15 and Cook with a 2nd round pick you are probably hoping for Kap to Denver .
In any event it will be interesting.
znModeratorI think Fisher likes TALL QBs.
Well we know about 3 qbs then who Fisher actively liked when they came out.
Bradford. They scouted him in 2010.
Cutler.
And, according to this report, Cook.
znModeratorif he can be a solid starter i’ll be happy. don’t necessarily need the next orlando.
I am optimistic that he will become a good starter, but I also still believe he has a ceiling much higher than that.
You brought up Pace. Many people mention that Pace started faster than GR. But the world then was different. No one raised this issue here, but I will just rant on about it a bit anyway.
Pace of course played in an era when college linemen learned more advanced systems, and then he came to an NFL world where they were allowed to devote untold hours to coaching, including in the off-season. Neither of which is true for Robinson, He came out far more raw than Pace and probably has been allowed something in the order of 25% of the coaching time that Pace got (and of course not only could coaches spend more time with players then, but that was Vermeil—who demanded more face time from players than any other NFL coach on top of it.)
The difference between then and now includes more than Pace v. Robinson. In 97, Pace’s draft year, 4 OTs went in the first round, and they all did well as rookies. (Pace, Jones, Glenn, Verba.) That’s how much more advanced college schemes were then, v. the rudimentary spread systems they have now.
In contrast, if you look at OTs drafted in round 1 from 2013 on, it is rare for any of them to do well as rookies and most still aren’t significantly better their second year. That’s v. 4 performing well as rookies in 97. These days, it’s unthinkable that 4 1st round left OTs taken in the same draft could all play well as rookies…and Robinson, if anything, was less prepared than most.
BUT like I said, I am optimistic about GR, and I think he will be the Rams LOT, and a good one…possibly even (eventually) a great one…and will hold down that position for another 10 years.
In which case, if we’re right, then, yay.
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znModeratorQB
http://www.nfldraftresearch.com/qb
Over all a much better group then the 2014 QB’s and maybe the best in over a decade and likely best qb class since 1983. Crazy talented 5 QB’s with 1st rd grades
1. Jared Goff 6’4 215 California top 5 pick..not as good as P Manning but similar skill set a WOW! passer used to carrying his team on his shoulders 36 wonderlic
2. Paxton Lynch 6’6 240 Memphis top 10 pick has some Roethlisberger/Cam Newton similarities very accurate deep thrower 36 vertical and almost 10′ broad jump elite arm/elite athlete with some footwork issues, very competitive a battler
3. Carson Wentz 6’5 231 North Dakota St top 15 6’6 230 handles pressure well both inside and on the move, fearless accurate passer 2X Academic All American some Bradford/Flacco similarities very talented game manager 40 wonderlic4. Cardale Jones 6’5 253 9 3/4 hands 1st handles chaos/high ceiling very raw and will take time but very talented highest ceiling of all the QB’s in this draft real risk factor but love the competitiveness, brains and tangibles…likely will win multiple Super Bowls
5. Conner Cook 1st 6’4 217 9 3/4 hands Michigan 1st fast reads, nfl arm/body but struggles with chaos but also a winner 9-2 in games decide by 7 pts or less. 34-2 overall as a starter hard evaluation but the more games I watch the more I like him 3X Academic All-Big Ten Completion % hurt by few numbers of drop offs not playing qb friendly offense
6. . Brandon Allen Arkansas 6”1 8 7/8 hands 2nd/3rd Jeremiah,” reminds me of “Jimmy Garoppolo”…me too r undersized QB . elite ability to throw on the move and throw under pressure..plus very smart, plays like a #1 draft pick similar hand size/skill set as Tony Romo
7. Dak Prescott 6’2 226 10 7/8 hands Mississippi St 3rd/4th a bull dog/winner with some talent similar to Wilson..has the ability to run for 40+ first downs a year while still being a decent nfl passer a foxhole type player hates to lose and a natural leader
8. Brandon Doughty 6’3 215 Western Kentucky /3rd/5th has the swagger/instincts of a top NFL qb elite sleeper reminds me of Drew Brees skinny body not sure how well he will hold up average arm
9. Jake Coker 6’5 232 5th/6th Alabama Florida St transfer couldn’t beat out Winston at Florida st or Blake Sims at Alabama similar to Sean Mannion(with more mobility) without the experience..big time arm/size/intelligence but lacks production 49th rated qb per pff
10. Kevin Hogan 4thrd/5th 6’3 1/2 217 Stanford no WOW! but a decent prospect with below avg pocket presence
11. Jeff Driscoll 4th/6th Louisiana Tech 6’4 230 looks like a nfl qb former #1 high school qb prospect in the nation great senior season great sleeper pick
12.Christian Hackenberg 6’4 228 9 inch hands 4th/6th Penn St elite arm arm, team captain, hard worker but with an erratic arm. real wildcard Our fifth-lowest graded quarterback in this draft class in 2015, and lowest graded in 2014 per pff
13.Jacoby Brissett North Carolina St 6’3 235 has the arm/body but noticeably slow in his reads will be over drafted because skill set
14. Nate Sudfield 6’6 240 Indiana 4th/5th has a top nfl arm lacks elite vision/instincts
15.Cody Kessler 6’1 215 USC 6/7th lacks NFL talent..backup type
16. Vernon Adams 6th/udfa 5’10 1/2 200 Oregon small 8 3/4 hands vs Russell Wilson large 10 1/4 hands and Wilson weights 10 lbs so not the same player but both are natural QB’s. 2nd most accurate deep thrower in the draft per pff. good shrine but likely a good career backup because of his hands/size who needs to play indoors or for a warm weather team
17. Matt Johnson 6’0 220 Bowling Green ppf top graded qb shades of Chase Daniel lacks elite talent
when evaluating I start with swag..all top qb’s have a narcissist type confidence. They are the ones who succeed in the 4th quarter. In fact out of 16 Meyer Briggs personality types many of the Hall of Fame qb’s have the exact same personality type…Forget that “face of the franchise” bs…you want a rebel. The QB who is willing to call his own plays and lead in the 4th quarter. Swagger
2nd touch/vision. Can they throw to their te’s, can they loft a ball over a lb and in front of a safety and most importantly can they find a te/wr in the back of the end zone in the red zone..either they have it or they don’t.
3rd size/arm decent height/weight to survive and and at least an average NFL arm. Lot of stars in spread offenses lack the arm strength to hit wr’s on deep outs.
pocket presence/courage feel inside the pocket and courage to take a hit to make a play.
ability to throw accurately on the move and using different throwing angles. Can’t count on a clean pocket. All college qb’s should complete 60% of their passes but how well they can throw into tight windows matters more.
znModeratorfrom MMQB
Chip Kelly has his hands full in San Francisco
The other day, NJ Advance Media reported that Eagles scouts had it up to herewith Chip Kelly, beginning with his first draft in Philadelphia in 2013. It reminded me that until a coach wins, and wins big, there’s going to be great skepticism, regardless of the coach’s résumé. “Right before that draft, the scouts set the board,” a club official was reported to have said. “Then Chip got a hold of it and totally turned it around. Scouts had no say at all in that draft. Anybody that Chip didn’t want, that player’s card got removed from the board and thrown in the trash. Those guys were never even in the discussion. Almost immediately, you had a lot of scouts looking around and wondering, ‘Why am I even working? Why the hell are we even here?’”
I’m reminded of 2011, when the Patriots had the first pick of day two, No. 33 overall. The scouts, I’m told, were expecting the Patriots to pick one of two front-seven players, Jabaal Sheard or Brooks Reed. Instead, Belichick went with his gut, taking a tall corner with an injury history, Ras-I Dowling. He ended up being a bust. Sheard, particularly, and Reed haven’t been superstars, but they’ve had significantly better careers. Point is, you never heard a peep out of the Patriots, mostly because Belichick earned the right to pick whoever he wanted, with three Super Bowls at the time to his credit. And Kelly will get the skepticism until he wins.
Today, Kelly begins his second try to win in the NFL, after his 26-22 run with the Eagles that ended in his unceremonious firing by Jeffrey Lurie last December. At 8 a.m. Pacific Time today, he’ll get to meet with his players for the first time since being named coach of the team nearly three months ago. I talked to him about the past, and his future—but before the Colin Kaepernick news broke over the weekend.
MMQB: Does part of you feel like you’ve got to prove yourself as an NFL head coach?
Kelly: Not coming after what I’ve just gone through. I don’t look at it like that. I think you want to prove yourself every day. I want to prove myself after my first year, I want to prove myself after my second year, after my third year … I look at it that I landed in heaven and I am really excited to be in San Francisco. The organization is first class and it is about excellence. We’ve won 20 division titles since 1970, six NFC championships, five Super Bowls. You walk down the Bill Walsh Way on the way into the building and you’ll see five Super Bowl trophies in the lobby. It’s an unbelievable organization. How it is set up, the York family, what they do, how they treat people, I was blown away to be able to be part of that.
MMQB: Do you feel battered after the Philadelphia experience?
Kelly: No, not at all. I coach football in the NFL. I have one of the greatest jobs in the world. I don’t think I would ever feel battered.
MMQB: Biggest lesson learned in the NFL so far?
Kelly: Everybody has got to be on the same page.
MMQB: Players, front office, owner?
Kelly: Everybody, really, but it’s really important with the front office.
MMQB: How far away are the Niners from being really good again?
Kelly: I don’t know. The unique thing about the CBA is I feel like I have been there for awhile, but I don’t know our players. [The 2011 Collective Bargaining Agreement mandates that new coaches are not allowed to have significant contact with their players till April, and the NFL’s new coaches have their first contact with players today.] All you are allowed to do is introductory superficial conversations, Hey, how are you doing? So we really don’t know what exactly we have. I mean, I know we have a lot of talented players, but until you work with them …
And I think the landscape changes even in the division, who is adding and subtracting players. You look at the Rams. James Laurinaitis isn’t there anymore, Chris Long isn’t there anymore. But Aaron Donald still is there though. So when you go through it, it will be interesting because in this league so much changes on a yearly basis that looking at film from a year ago and looking at it moving forward, you just go, Wow, it’s changed. And it happens fast. This team three years ago was on the 5-yard line going in at the end of the Super Bowl, that close to winning it all. Three years later, I’m the third coach they’ve had since. You can win the NFC championship one year, then win four games the next year. Things change fast.
MMQB: Cliché question, but I wonder when you look back at what you did at Oregon, and how the pro game is different from the college game, what’s the biggest difference?
Kelly: In the first game of our 2010 season, we beat New Mexico 72-0. No one beats anyone in the NFL 72-0. I think 55 percent of the games last year were decided by seven points or less, 24 percent by three points or less. It’s really intriguing, to be honest. Smaller rosters, obviously. We’d dress 100 guys for home games at Oregon. A lot of that was we used to use dressing for games as kind of a reward for guys who worked hard in the program. But now, with 53-man rosters, and you’re not even dressing all of those, you’ve got to use key starters on special teams. And when you eliminate eight offensive linemen and two quarterbacks and most of your defensive linemen, that means you have a pretty small pool to choose from for all of your special teams. That’s very big.
Then I’d say the talent is the biggest factor after that. It’s so close. You look at college football. There’s a saying that the top teams in the country—Alabama, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin—they win nine games in February [through recruiting]. They pick the players they want. Here, of course, you can’t do that. So you have to find other ways to win. You’ve got to be smart about who you draft, who you develop and how you coach them. That’s the great challenge. I love the challenge of it.
znModeratorReport: Kaepernick trade to Denver being held up by $4.9 million
Discussions about a potential deal to send Colin Kaepernick to the Denver Broncos appear ongoing, but all signs point to the embattled quarterback attending the start of the 49ers’ voluntary offseason program Monday.
ESPN reported Sunday morning that the Denver Broncos are willing to pay $7 million of Kaepernick’s $11.9 million salary for the 2016 season, but they want the 49ers to pick up the rest.
Late Sunday, an NFL source indicated Kaepernick would be in Santa Clara for the start of OTAs, the Sacramento Bee’s Matt Barrows reported. A photo of Kaepernick purportedly boarding a plane for the Bay Area also popped up on Twitter.
The backdrop of the will-he-or-won’t-he-show-up drama is that the teams apparently are close to finalizing a trade if the money for Kaepernick’s 2016 salary can be worked out. But the 49ers have been unwilling to pay the remaining $4.9 million of Kaepernick’s salary, and the quarterback is unwilling to forfeit that money so the deal can go through, the ESPN source said.
Money is the only issue, according to ESPN. The compensation involved can be finalized “with one phone call.” The 49ers would get a midround pick.
Kaepernick reportedly has met twice with Broncos general manager John Elway, including Thursday at Elway’s Colorado home as the franchise looks at its options t
znModeratorznModeratorand this belongs on the Rams Huddle because?
Cheerleader tryouts.
April 3, 2016 at 1:43 pm in reply to: Foles, the meltdown of a QB or a rookie who never got better? #41405znModeratorOk, will we ever see the good Foles again? Then, will Fisher draft a QB?
I think he drafts Cook. If he would draft him last year over Gurley(assuming Karraker was right), then he would draft him this year at 10.
But, then, he went ahead and drafted Mannion.
My thotz?
I don’t know if we ever see good Foles again. I don’t rule it out but that’s a rough road.
I think they do draft a qb, probably in either round 1 or 2.
I don’t know if it’s Cook. Might be. But then maybe Cook last year v. this year, when this year he is being compared with different qbs, makes him look different? (I have no idea. Just listing the possibilities.)
The GOLD STANDARD outcome would be:
Keenum plays well, they draft someone good who develops, Mannion comes through.
You may say I’m a dreamer.
I’m probably the only one.
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znModeratorWould Rams be better off waiting for a quarterback?
Nick Wagoner
The offseason is here for the Los Angeles Rams and now that we know where they’ll be playing their home games for the long-term, things have settled down enough to spend our weekends answering a few of your Twitter questions.
As always, you can find me on Twitter @nwagoner and fire away with any Rams-related questions you might have. Please use hashtag #RamsMail so I can see them.
On to your questions.
Matt Wroten @Hazmatt415
@nwagoner Do you think the Rams are underwhelm with this year QB class, and are looking at a better prospect of Watson in 2017?@nwagoner This is a good, interesting question because there are so many variables in play when it comes to drafting a quarterback and many of those variables are in effect for the Rams right now. I think they mostly passed on the free-agent options at quarterback because they didn’t believe there was an obvious upgrade to what they have available and certainly not one that would come at a similar cost. It also didn’t help that they would have had to find a taker for Nick Foles to make a deal work financially. As for the draft, the read on this year’s class seems to be that while there are some good prospects, none will be able to help right away. That’s a big deal for the Rams because they need players who can help right now. This is Year 5 of the Jeff Fisher/Les Snead regime. They need to win now. So if they draft a quarterback who might take three years to develop at the expense of an instant impact player elsewhere, is that really going to help that cause? The other piece here is that it’s so difficult to project what a quarterback is going to become a few months out let alone when you add another year to the process. To your point, Clemson’s DeShaun Watson certainly looks great right now, but most teams haven’t even studied him closely at this point to determine how his skills might translate. What if he has a bad season? What if he suffers an unfortunate injury? And the Rams don’t exactly have a history under Fisher of finishing worse than middle of the pack, which means that if Watson turns out great, he might be out of their reach barring a big trade. At this point, I would still be surprised if the Rams don’t draft a quarterback relatively early (first or second round) this year. But even if they do so, there’s still a good chance that player won’t take the starting job from Case Keenum to begin the season.
Nick Carbaugh @CarbaughNation
@nwagoner #ramsmail Can you (or anyone) explain the Rams’ lack of urgency in fixing the passing game these last few years?@nwagoner I can’t really offer you a good explanation, no. But I’d point to Fisher’s history and philosophy for why that hasn’t been a priority. Fisher has long been a proponent of a run-centric offense and after parting ways with Steven Jackson in the 2013 offseason, the Rams actually did look to bolster the passing game. They signed Jared Cook, traded up to land Tavon Austin, etc. But that experiment was based on having a healthy Sam Bradford at quarterback and spreading the ball all over the field. It lasted just four games before Fisher and the Rams gave up on it. Ever since, the Rams have gone back to building the offense behind running the ball. It would seem that the slow trigger on trying to fix the passing game was largely because of the continued belief in Bradford that didn’t work out. You could argue that they showed urgency last year in trading Bradford and completely re-shaping the depth chart at quarterback. They even brought in a new quarterbacks coach in Chris Weinke. So, to be fair, some of this isn’t about a lack of trying to fix things as not coming up with good solutions to get them fixed. It’s a problem not specific to the Rams, but I also think it’s fair to wonder why they didn’t use any of that extra draft capital from the trade with Washington to draft and groom a quarterback who could have potentially been ready to play by now. And it’s not just limited to quarterback. The approach at wide receiver has been puzzling, as well. For example, the 2014 receiver class was the most productive group of rookies in league history. That was the only year under Fisher in which the Rams didn’t draft a wideout. And that’s not hindsight. There were plenty of people who wanted them to take Sammy Watkins at No. 2 or at least grab one somewhere in the early rounds. They didn’t and now it’s again a position of need in a draft that isn’t all that great there.
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