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Rams are investing up to $9M in Barnes the next two years. That’s enough to tell me they like what they see.

If Barnes pass protection is so bad, as some claim, explain to me how he is one of the top rated centers in the league in sacks allowed per game. Did you know that Barnes ranked 3rd in the league for starting centers in 2015 for “sacks allowed/penalties incurred” per game. And for all centers in the league with more than 10 career starts he ranks 4th. Not bad. His numbers are better than Mack, Frederick, Mangold among others. Barnes did get a game ball for the Tampa game, as well as the Seattle game. Coaches don’t do that for missing blocks, being passed by etc. those are given because they’re earned. I watched the Seattle game, I was there and didn’t see what the Barnes critics are seeing and obviously the coaches didn’t either. According to JT Rams coaches graded him as their best lineman last season:

JIM THOMAS, 5/11 chat: I know of one internal review that had Barnes rated as the team’s best offensive lineman in 2015. Barnes was a lot better over the second half of last season.

Barnes was a very good signing giving further stability to an up and coming line. Many of us feel he’s a good solid player who made good progress thru his first year as a starter working with a constantly shifting line.

Paul Boudreau is known throughout the league as one of the best O-Line coaches in the game. The players love him and IMO, he’s doing an excellent job developing the talent he’s been given to work with. My belief is the Rams are lucky to have “Boo” as a coach. This line given more time together with a full off-season & training camp has a chance to be a really good unit.

wv wrote:

I wonder how many St.Louis residents stopped
football-posting. Dak? Mike Franke? Who else?

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Jim Fadler. CoachO.

How not to defend Chip Kelly’s offense

Eric Branch

http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/How-not-to-defend-Chip-Kelly-s-offense-7467548.php

When Chip Kelly has been asked about the burden his up-tempo offense places on his defense – and he’s been asked about it a lot – he’s often offered a thought-provoking rebuttal.
His standard response during his three seasons in Philadelphia (the Eagles ranked last in the NFL time of possession during his tenure): Focus on snaps, not minutes.
In 2013, for example, he referenced a 2010 game against UCLA when he was Oregon’s head coach that neatly captures his argument. UCLA ran just three fewer plays than Oregon (70-73), but had the ball for 18 more minutes (38:31-21:29). Final score: Oregon 60, UCLA 13.
“So all I gathered was that they stand around a lot more (on the field) than we do,” Kelly said. “So I think when people look at the time of possession, and that’s what people look at automatically … It’s not time of possession. It’s plays run is what I look at because you’re not exerting any energy if you’re just standing in the huddle.”
During the rest of his tenure with the Eagles, Kelly hit on the same theme when the topic was broached:
“Time of possession is how much time can the other team waste,” he said in 2013.
“I’m not a time-of-possession guy, I’m a plays-run guy,” he said in December.

The question was also raised in January when he was introduced as the 49ers head coach. He outlined a scenario in which his team and its opponent had similar stats, with the exception of time of possession.
“We won the game by seven, but they had the ball for 10 more minutes than we did,” he said. “So all I learned is that they stand around better than we stand around. It’s still plays run.”
Kelly’s stance can be argued, but it’s a worthy and interesting argument.
However, Kelly didn’t stop there in January. Instead, in defending his system, he offered another rebuttal which has nothing to do with whether his offense wears down his defense.
The argument: defensive players like to play defense.
“I’ve also never met a defensive player that says, ‘Coach, I want you to possess the ball for the entire game so I don’t have to play,’” he said. “I want guys that on the defensive side of the football of the San Francisco 49ers can’t wait to get on the field and embrace the opportunity to get out there and play.”
For starters, Kelly has met at least one defensive player that didn’t like to play too much defense.
But that’s not the point here.

The point is this: A defensive player’s excitement level about getting on the field has nothing to do with his ability to avoid fatigue if he’s on the field for too many snaps.
So to review: Kelly offered A) a compelling argument and B) a nonsensical argument.
So why bring it up four months later? Because the defensive-players-like-playing-defense argument keeps getting invoked to defend Kelly’s offense:
“I’m not looking at it as getting tired or exhausted. I’ve never, in a thousand years, ever heard (of) someone not want to be on the field,” inside linebacker NaVorro Bowman said in April.
“I think NaVorro said it the best, right? I’ve never met a defensive player that didn’t want to be on the field. Show me one that doesn’t want to be out there,” general manager Trent Baalke said before the draft.
“One of the criticisms has been (on) the defense and they’re on the field too much. And like Bo said — and I agree with him; we kind of laughed — if you’re a defensive player, you want to be on the field,” Baalke said on KNBR after the draft.

Baalke has also said of the defense that “what you have what you have to be able to do is get off the field on third down.” But Kelly has acknowledged the onus is on his offense to avoid lightning-quick three-and-outs, which can fatigue even the stoutest defenses.
“If we’re not getting the requisite amount of snaps, then that’s where we’re hurting our defense,” Kelly said in November. “We talk about it all the time: It’s plays run. … It’s really just the production from the offensive side of the ball in terms of what’s giving them an opportunity to wear us down on the defensive side of the ball.”
That echoes Kelly’s best argument: It’s about snaps, not minutes.
And don’t forget this: It’s definitely not about defensive players liking to play defense.

Chip Kelly quells Kaepernick controversy, keeps QB job TBD

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/56494/Chip-Kelly-quells-Kaepernick-controversy–keeps-QB-job-TBD/Default.aspx

Midway through the offseason program and four months shy of the season opener, 49ers coach Chip Kelly isn’t near ready to reveal who’ll be his starting quarterback between Colin Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert, Cam Inman of Bayareanewsgroup reports.

“I have no idea,” Kelly told KNBR 680-AM, sounding half-joking and half-coy. “We’re not playing a game until September. At this point in time, it’s early, and one of the players, Colin, is injured right now, so he’s not been a full participant in everything.”

Kelly doesn’t anticipate the quarterback duel to truly unfold until training camp starts in late July, when Kaepernick should be closer to full health following rehabilitation on his surgically repaired right thumb, left shoulder and left knee.

“Kap’s at every meeting. Kap’s at rehab. Kap’s at every practice, doing what he can,” Kelly added. “We don’t know exactly what we have until we get those guys up and running. That won’t be determined until preseason camp.”

“He’s still working extremely hard in the rehab part,” Kelly continued. “I think people forget he had a thumb injury, a shoulder injury and a knee injury that he’s coming off of. So right now, Blaine is out there, Thad Lewis is with us, and Jeff Driskel are the ones taking the snaps in the offseason program.”

I appreciate what Bowen says here but I also think the Rams (and now some other teams) run rookie minicamps at least somewhat differently. They are not quite as cutthroat.

some teams take an altered approach to their rookie minicamps, a la Fisher

nittany ram wrote:

I don’t know what’s being said about Goff’s release but I hear he is accurate.

Goff has one of the quickest releases people have seen in a while. It clocks a bit quicker than Brady’s. (Someone actually measured that.) Another noted strength is his ability to use really quick feet to maneuver in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Since he played behind one of the worst OLs in college football, this attribute was regularly visible.

As if they need another, Rams don’t want “Hard Knocks” to be a distraction

Darin Gantt

As if they need another, Rams don’t want “Hard Knocks” to be a distraction

Nothing about the Rams’ move to Los Angeles has been subtle, so the fact they seem eager to be on “Hard Knocks” isn’t much of a surprise.

So Rams coach Jeff Fisher said he’s done his due diligence, talked to other coaches about what the HBO reality show entails, before declaring it the opposite of a distraction.

“We want this to be the best show to date,” Fisher said, via Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times. “We want to pave the way for the member clubs to line up for the opportunity to do this. . . . The players are familiar, they understand what’s ahead, we’ve talked to the coaches and they’re excited.”

Of course, he was quick to point out: “We want them to be football players, not actors.”

For the most part, their players seemed on board, though punter Johnny Hekker had a concern about the 24-7 presence of NFL Films cameras documenting their every move.

“I’ve got to make sure,” Hekker said, “that my grandmother doesn’t have to hear me bleeped out.”

The Rams offer plenty of material, with their move to California and bold move to take a quarterback first overall in the draft coupled with an itinerant existence the next few months, bouncing from place to place to train and have camps. But they take solace in the fact that the last six teams to do the show have equaled or bettered their record from the year before, with four of them making the playoffs.

So that means Fisher’s traditional seven or eight wins (which he’s managed in 10 of his 21 NFL seasons) are still in play here.

First Mason, now McDonald. This is starting out to be a bad off-season. Unless that’s it, and that’s all we see.

Rams easing rookies in to prevent shock factor

Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/29225/rams-easing-rookies-in-to-prevent-shock-factor

LOS ANGELES — Los Angeles Rams coach Jeff Fisher doesn’t believe in mixing the old and the new, at least not right away.

Which is why Fisher and the Rams are following their usual procedure when it comes to integrating their rookie class and the veterans. The reason? Fisher doesn’t want the green rookies trying to keep up with a group of players that already knows what to do on a daily basis.

“That’s the objective of what we’re doing so it’s not a shock,” Fisher said. “We want them to go out and condition and be prepared to go into the drills. Our offseason program is this, we can’t come together until June, until the OTAs. So that’s when the offense and defense come together and compete, so we’re separate, so they’ll just be drilling.”

The Rams welcomed their rookies last weekend with their annual orientation. Those three days are spent introducing the rookies to how things should be done on and off the field with on-field work limited to some individual drills and walk through tempo. This week, the rookies and veterans got a chance to mingle a bit in meetings. As the offseason conditioning program progresses, they’ll mostly be kept apart until the final stages, also known as organized team activities.

In the meantime, the Rams will continue to run drills for the rookies in an effort to get them up to speed so when they do merge with their teammates they won’t have as much to learn. With limited time to work on the field because of the collective bargaining agreement, once the on-field team work begins, there’s little time to stop and wait for rookies to catch up.

So the next couple of weeks will focus on trying to speed up the process.

“That’s an excellent opportunity to get them up,” Fisher said. “Once they come together in the OTAs in June, then they’ll be able to compete. I think what we’re going to see when the vets come on the field for their 90-minute session (earlier this week) and the rookie class is observing, you’re going to see a little of this (pounds chest) out of the vets because they are going to show off a little bit. So it works out good — you get more out of the vets, the ‘rooks’ get to see it. Once we get to OTAs everything will be good.”

Just because the Rams are focused on getting their rookies up to speed doesn’t mean they will push them too far too fast. Fisher believes in easing them in, not only to get their conditioning level back to football shape but also to give them a chance to translate what they learn in the classroom to the field.

That last part is the primary focus of the entire exercise.

“You’re looking at the mental things,” Fisher said. “Are they doing the right things? Is the footwork appropriate? Are the steps appropriate? Are you dropping your hips? Those kinds of things. Then of course you’re looking at every once in a while someone goes a little more than half speed and so how well do they pay attention to the details? It’s hard to evaluate the explosiveness and things like that. It’s hard to evaluate when you’re not competing against an opponent, an offensive or defensive opponent.

“This is the way you have to do it. We’re convinced this is how you have to do it. It’s really unfair for them to come out and ask them to get to full speed and then you have a soft tissue injury and then he misses OTAs then he’s behind at camp. We’ve been doing this for a long time and it’s worked out for us because ideally what you want to have is you want to have a healthy roster when you start training camp.”

Fisher was pleased with how the rookies got to work during the orientation but also stressed to his youngsters that they have to stay on top of things to ensure they don’t fall behind. It’s a message he’ll continue to deliver throughout the rest of the offseason program. Once the group gets a concept, the Rams move on to the next one and the one after that.

Rookie quarterback Jared Goff undoubtedly has the most to learn between now and the start of training camp. He had some interaction with the veterans before departing back to the University of California this week but is looking forward to bringing it all together.

“I haven’t met too many of them,” Goff said. “I met a few and it’s been great. I got a bunch of texts from a bunch guys — that’s been really cool. I’m excited to finally work with them, eventually.”

Rams ready for their close-up as subject of ‘Hard Knocks’

Joe Curley / Ventura County Star

http://www.vcstar.com/sports/rams-ready-for-their-close-up-as-subject-of-hard-knocks-329830a5-3211-06b3-e053-0100007fdcc8-379279651.html

An admitted fan of “Hard Knocks,” Aaron Donald isn’t concerned about being a subject — rather than a consumer — of the long-running HBO NFL training camp series this summer.

“It’s just a camera in your face,” the star defensive lineman said Thursday. “With the game that we play, there’s always a camera in your face. So just go out there and do what you’ve been doing.”

As if the Los Angeles Rams didn’t have enough going on this offseason as they transition from St. Louis to Southern California, the franchise will be the first NFL West team to be the subject of the annual HBO and NFL Films collaboration.

“I’m not worried,” Rams running back Todd Gurley said. “I’m already an outgoing person. If the cameras come around, that’s cool. But we’re going to do our job.”

The Rams welcomed HBO Sports executive vice president Peter Nelson, NFL Films coordinating producer Ken Rodgers and Hard Knocks director Matt Dissinger to River Ridge fields in Oxnard on Thursday to discuss how the Rams “made sense” for the five-part, behind-the-scene reality show’s 11th season.

“As soon as the announcement was made at the (January) owners meetings that the Rams were returning to Los Angeles,” Rodgers said, “I really think it was a three-way tie between the organizations calling each other … HBO, NFL Films and the Rams saying, ‘This makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?’ ”

After all, what is more Los Angeles than reality TV? Of course, the Rams will be the first team to have their move captured by the show, which means the filming has already begun.

“It really is a dream as a filmmaker to have a situation like that with a team that is intent of taking the next step and doing so in a new market,” Rodgers said. “It’s not only great for HBO and the viewers, it’s great for NFL Films historically to record this.”

Rams head coach Jeff Fisher was sold once he was satisfied the show wouldn’t put the team at a competitive disadvantage.

“From a competitive standpoint, they’re not going to capture walkthrough and installations and football and all those things,” Fisher said. “It’s more about the storylines. Once we got past that, it really made total sense to do this.”

The Rams are the eighth franchise to do the show, joining Baltimore, Dallas (twice), Kansas City, Cincinnati (twice), New York Jets, Atlanta and Houston.

Rodgers mentioned the last six teams on the show “have had as good as or better record than the year before they appeared on ‘Hard Knocks.’ ” Four of those six teams have made the playoffs.

Quarterback Jared Goff will be the first No. 1 overall draft pick to have his rookie season chronicled by the show.

Although Dissinger was quick to point out that this season “will not be the Jared Goff show.”

“I’m not concerned about Jared being able to handle it,” Fisher said. “He’s not going to be the only story. That’s the key with what we’re doing. He’ll be a story. I’ll be great to follow him, to follow his progress. But it’s not going to take away from his ability to compete and potentially become a starter as soon as he can.”

Although much of the show will be filmed at UC Irvine, where the Rams will hold training camp in August, Ventura County should have more than a cameo, considering the Rams are currently based in Oxnard and will be gradually be moving into their in-season home at Cal Lutheran during the show.

Donald, who is featured playing cards in the trailer released by HBO, said he’s already been filmed “relaxing” at teammate Robert Quinn’s house.

Quinn said last month that he’s currently renting near River Ridge.

Punter Johnny Hekker said he had already been filmed, along with several fellow special teamers, during a go-karting trip at MR2 Raceway in Thousand Oaks.

“It was a fun little afternoon,” Hekker said. “You try not to get too hyped up with camera around. But when you’re on the track getting competitive, the juices just flow.”

Hekker said he reached out to Texans long snapper Jonathan Weeks, who experienced the show last season.

Weeks’ most memorable advice? Know who is mic’ed up.

“A lot of guys are mic’ed up during practice, so you can’t crack the same jokes always that you want to,” Hekker said. “HBO is uncensored, too, so we’ll see. I’ve got to make sure my grandma doesn’t have to hear me bleeped out or anything like that.”

“Hard Knocks: Training Camp with the Los Angeles Rams” will be filmed by a crew of 32 people with 12 robotic cameras. Actor Liv Schreiber returns as narrator.

Fisher seems committed to putting on a memorable show.

“We want this to be the best show to date,” Fisher said. “We want this to be the No. 1. We want to be the best. … We want to pave the way for our member clubs that will line up for the opportunity to do this during camp.”

InvaderRam wrote:

thing is. for me. it can’t just be a 10-15 yr qb. not for how much they had to give up. he’s gonna have to be better than ryan or manning. he’s gonna have to be drew brees good to ever think that trade was worth it. either that or lynch is gonna have to blow chunks.

Yeah we’re opposite ends of the spectrum on this.

They wanted a sure bet at landing their guy. It wasn’t just a qb, they wanted their qb. It’s like how they use a draf to turn a weakness into a strength…but whereas before when they did that, they would use multiple picks to take multiple players (2 CBs in 2012, 5 linemen counting Battle in 2015), with a qb, when you do that, you need multiple picks to get one player.

To me, it doesn’t matter if Lynch surpasses him (and I highly doubt that will happen anyway). To me, them getting their guy at qb is worth the picks. If Goff develops as expected, I won’t be going “but what about the picks in 2016.” I will be just be going “yay Goff.”

Besides…and I keep saying it but…Goff looks like he has Warner, Manning, Montana, Brady traits in him.

But I will be fine with an Eli level guy (cause after all Eli was a #1 pick too and the Giants traded a lot to get him).

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Rams don’t expect ‘Hard Knocks’ HBO series to be a distraction

Sam Farmer

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-rams-hard-knocks-20160513-column.html

The first time NFL Films documented a training camp was 49 years ago, when the legendary storytellers focused their lens on the Green Bay Packers. It was a good news/bad news experience.

The good news: Packers coach Vince Lombardi was enthralled, giving rare access to his players, who seemed energized and especially sharp with the cameras trained on them. The coach, initially skeptical, insisted the filmmakers stay for a second day.

The bad news: The crew ran out of film by the end of Day 1.

That didn’t bother Lombardi, who was entirely comfortable with the crew faking it on Day 2, simply pointing empty cameras at his players to keep them on their toes. He recognized the upside of putting his team in the spotlight.

Empty cameras won’t be an issue for NFL Films this summer when it chronicles Rams training camp for “Hard Knocks,” the critically acclaimed, all-access HBO series. Five camera crews and 12 robotic cameras shoot roughly 350 hours of footage for a single one-hour episode.

“Just to get through the footage is a challenge, let alone crafting the story and editing it,” said Ken Rodgers, who oversees the show as NFL Films coordinating producer.

When Rodgers began working on the series in 2007, when the Kansas City Chiefs were the focus, NFL Films would send footage back to its New Jersey headquarters on two flights per day. Now, with everything shot digitally and uploaded over the Internet, the process is virtually instantaneous.

“Before practice is over, on any given day, the team back at NFL Films can start working on the footage that was shot at the beginning of practice,” Rodgers said. “That’s how quick the turnaround is now.”

Rodgers participated in a “Hard Knocks” news conference Thursday at the Rams’ temporary home in Oxnard, along with Peter Nelson, executive vice president of HBO Sports; Matt Dissinger, the show’s director; and Rams Coach Jeff Fisher.

“We pride ourselves in making as small a footprint as we can, relative to other productions,” said Dissinger, whose crews have already been gathering footage on the club’s move back to Los Angeles. “We try as best we can to blend into the background, and hope Coach Fisher and his staff will have the same reaction that we’ve had in past camps where people don’t even notice we’re around.”

Fisher said he talked to several coaches, assistant coaches and players from previous “Hard Knocks” teams to make sure it wouldn’t put the Rams at a competitive disadvantage to participate. The recent numbers weigh in his favor. The last six “Hard Knocks” teams have matched or improved their win-loss record from the previous season, and the Cincinnati Bengals (2009, 2013), New York Jets (2010) and Houston Texans (2015) all made the playoffs in the season they were featured.

The show kicks off its five-episode season Aug. 9 at 10 p.m., airing each subsequent Tuesday and culminating with a Sept. 6 finale.

“We want this to be the best show to date,” Fisher said. “We want to pave the way for the member clubs to line up for the opportunity to do this … The players are familiar, they understand what’s ahead, we’ve talked to the coaches and they’re excited.”

Fisher was quick to add, though, that “we want them to be football players, not actors.”

Running back Todd Gurley said he expects training camp to be business as usual, and defensive tackle Aaron Donald likewise shrugged off the notion of “Hard Knocks” potentially being a distraction.

“It’s just a camera in your face,” Donald said. “The game we play, there’s always a camera in your face.”

As for punter Johnny Hekker, he will be especially mindful of his word choice.

“I’ve got to make sure,” he said, “that my grandmother doesn’t have to hear me bleeped out.”

‘Hard Knocks’ is best workplace drama on television

Dan Hanzus

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000662343/article/hbo-unveils-2016-la-rams-hard-knocks-trailer

OXNARD, Calif. — Choosing a Hard Knocks team isn’t usually easy. This year proved to be an exception to the rule.

The Rams will make their star turn when the ground-breaking HBO series makes its return for an 11th season on Aug. 9 at 10 p.m. ET. Hard Knocks coordinating producer Ken Rodgers explained how quickly it came together during a news conference at the Rams’ practice facility Thursday.

“As soon as the announcement was made at the March owners meetings that the Rams were returning to Los Angeles, I really think it was a three-way tie between the organizations calling each other — HBO, NFL Films and the Rams — and saying, ‘This makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?'”

The Rams make for compelling Hard Knocks fodder, no doubt. This will mark the first time the series will document what goes on behind the scenes when an entire organization moves from one city to another. It’s also the first time Hard Knocks will have cameras rolling with a No. 1 overall pick in the building.

Just don’t expect the season to be a Jared Goff-fest.

“It’s not going to be The Jared Goff Show,” said Matt Dissinger, director of Hard Knocks since last year’s Texans excursion. “It might seem, and hopefully we do this well, that when you watch the show you’ll think we shot a million times with him, but in reality he wears a wire once during practice, during the game, then get a couple of off-the-field shoots throughout the duration of camp.”

Some other takeaways from the Hard Knocks news conference:

» Rams coach Jeff Fisher was on the makeshift podium, situated on a tennis court at the Residence Inn in Oxnard that doubles as the Rams’ home. I asked Fisher a couple of questions about how he’ll handle Hark Knocks cameras, but ol’ Fish was more slippery than general manager Les Snead at a crew cut convention.

Would Fisher be worried about the robotic cameras (there will be 12 of them on the grounds) catching him saying or doing things he’d rather keep private? “No, I’ll have plenty of towels,” Fisher said. “I’ll just flip a towel over the lens and we’ll be fine.”

In addition to the dozen robotic cameras, NFL Films will have a 32-person crew on site for each day of shooting. And you wonder why some coaches are spooked by the thought …

» Rodgers and Dissinger both offered good insight on what Hard Knocks tries to do and made no apologies for not catering to the Xs and Os crowd. Said Rodgers: “This is a personality-driven show about what it’s like to get a job and keep a job. … This show has always been about people and we’re going to continue to keep it that way.” Dissinger put it another way: “I look at Hard Knocks as a workplace drama.”

» Rams running back Todd Gurley was made available to journos after the news conference and didn’t sound like a guy who would be scheming for air time on premium cable. We asked Gurley if he’d be fine if a Hard Knocks cameraman hopped in his car for a day in the life with Todd: “Nah, I’m not doing all that,” he replied. “Me personally? I don’t need that.”

» Aaron Donald was under the mistaken impression that HBO bleeps out swearing in HK episodes. I let him know that was not the case. Was he worried his mother could come down on him for salty language? “It’s a game. It’s a physical game. There’s a lot of emotions. Just like if you were out with your brother, you fight your brother sometimes, but at the end of day you’re going to squash it and that’s going to be that.”

» There are no shortcuts for the Hard Knocks creative team. No one is asked to repeat a funny line, or walk through a doorway for continuity’s sake. Rodgers said there are 90 different storylines entering camp, which each player representing a story.

“It reminds me of a saying that Steve Sabol had when he described what it was like to produce Hard Knocks,” Rodgers said, referring to the late co-founder of NFL Films. “He said it’s like building an airplane in a flight. Only once it takes off can you figure out what you have to do to keep flying.”

A scary thought, but a process that delivers year after year. Don’t miss our Around The NFL episode recaps in August.

Am I the only Goffian here?

Interesting.

I would have been fine with Wentz btw if they took him, and initially he was my choice. But I am now pretty much a Goffian. Or, Goffite. Or, Gofficaner.

I think the kid has the chance to be something special.

If he’s not, I think he will be at least Eli/Flacco good.

Personally I don’t mind trading the picks. It amounts to losing a 2 and 3 this year and a 1 next. (That’s not strictly accurate or literal…hence the “it amounts to” construction.) Would I trade that much to get a 10-15 year qb? If I didn’t have one…yes.

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