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znModeratorrams runniing well … brown in… goff still inconsistent, punt
znModeratorrams #2 D holds KC starting O to a FG
znModeratorand it’s not good he fumbles
znModeratorgoff in
znModerator14-14
secondary not holding up
znModeratorrams offense looking good so far … keenum sharp, running game sharp, nice long PI play when britt got behind the defense and drew a flag, TD gurley and TD cooper, 14-7 after Rams defense was shaky on the 1st drive
znModeratorI disagree, however, with the perspective and the truth-claim that says using “identity politics” is necessarily a rejection of . . . . something. Who makes that call? Who decides? What, exactly, is being rejected?
It just is. That’s its usage. No one says they do identity politics; rather, the term is then used to portray someone else as focusing narrowly on identity issues. It actually comes from an earlier stage of minority rights movements when activists said “is it enough to ask what it means to be black/gay/a woman?” So “identity politics” is always meant as something someone ELSE does that is by definition too narrowly focused. Or the added thing is, it’s presumably “trivial” in comparison to something which is then represented as being comparatively more significant.
When the term is broadened to encompass anyone who is concerned with issues of race, or gender, or sexuality it then is basically rejecting all concerns with race, gender, or sexuality as being insufficiently universal and blind to bigger issues. Basically to me that’s not that different from shouting “all lives matter” back at the “black lives matter” movement. I see saying that not as MORE progressive or aware in some way, I see it as regressive and insensitive and UNaware in a lot of ways.
Because I see that that way, I do not separate any of the “issues.” They are all tied together, they are all mutually connected, it;s a web….you can’t touch one thing without touching the others.
znModeratorPPS — How do YOU interpret what bell is saying below?
… I have to engage feminism because that becomes the vehicle by which I project myself as a female into the heart of the struggle, but the heart of the struggle does not begin with feminism. It begins with an understanding of domination and with a critique of domination in all its forms. I think it is in fact, a danger to think of the starting point as being feminism. …I think we need a much more sophisticated vision of what it means to have a radical political consciousness. That is why I stress so much the need for African Americans to take on a political language of colonialism…. to frame our issues in a larger political context that looks at imperialism and colonialism and our place as Africans in the Diaspora so that class becomes a central factor….” bell hooks
I think right here, she’s saying what I am saying, and, more to the point, I am saying what she is saying:
It begins with an understanding of domination and with a critique of domination in all its forms.
Me:
I think they’re inseparable issues
I personally never endorse exclusionary choices on these things. I suppose THAT is my priority. I think it is always a mistake every single direction, no matter what gets excluded. Those who exclude the economic are making a mistake, those who exclude the issues of race, gender, and sexuality are equally making a mistake
the way I see the major issues always is to be progressive on economic, social, cultural issues and to maintain a very vigilant eye on issues of race, gender, and sexuality … I do not think those things can be divided–they are all interwoven.
Not me:
Who Said It Was Simple (1973)
BY AUDRE LORDE
There are so many roots to the tree of anger
that sometimes the branches shatter
before they bear.Sitting in Nedicks
the women rally before they march
discussing the problematic girls
they hire to make them free.
An almost white counterman passes
a waiting brother to serve them first
and the ladies neither notice nor reject
the slighter pleasures of their slavery.
But I who am bound by my mirror
as well as my bed
see causes in colour
as well as sexand sit here wondering
which me will survive
all these liberations.
znModerator. To ‘me’ Identity politics, while very important, is not as important as the link between Corporate power and the destruction of the biosphere.
And I think they’re inseparable issues (and I also note again, as a kind of minor thing I always sense, that it’s only people who resist it who call race, gender, sexuality issues “identity politics.” That’s a rejection term. It’s similar to what happens in football when the neutral term “ball control” becomes “playing not to lose.” The latter term is a deliberate rejection.)
Imagine it this way, so at least my own view of this will seem more compatible to you. Imagine you could isolate a 100 people with real socio-economic power. The big owners and policy makers and biggest beneficiaries of how things are. Let’s say you knew you could give a speech that would change them and therefore change much of the ideological landscape. Make things better because that 100 is converted.
Well. What would they look like. All the hookers waiting for them back at the hotel, what would their sex be. Etc.
Just one hypothetical to stress why I don’t think this stuff is separable.
Plus, I wasn’t telling you these things were perspectives not truths. I was saying that the way I see it, the conversation is a better one if people act on that recognition and openly account for that, all upfront, in how they talk (and no it’s not widely understood that that’s the case–more often than not it’s completely forgotten.)
I mean we’re either debating what the “real” priorities are, which is one kind of discussion, or we’re each saying where we’re coming from—which is just a better, less tense and less conflicted conversation.
Why does it look like X to me. Why does it look like Y to you. How do we answer that if the conversation rules of the game dictate in advance that we cannot say “because x/y is the truth.”
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I am not the least bit shocked that you would say that. But I dont agree. I posted articles by an african american writer, who says exactly what i say about Identity politics.If the house is burning down, there are priorities.
Now I am confused. I said you said something. Then figured I misread. You didn’t acknowledge me saying I misread, then seemed to say the thing I said was a mistake on my part to think you said. So again…lost and confused (??) That’s sincere, I am confused.
But to plow ahead anyway. You apparently have a priority issue. That’s fine. I say that just means we have to be upfront about where we;re coming from. So it’s not that there’s a truth and you see it, it’s that you have a priority issue among these issues. That’s you, that’s not “reality” speaking there. Same with anyone who differs.
I personally never endorse exclusionary choices on these things. I suppose THAT is my priority. I think it is always a mistake every single direction, no matter what gets excluded. Those who exclude the economic are making a mistake, those who exclude the issues of race, gender, and sexuality are equally making a mistake (I don;t call that stuff identity politics btw, at this point calling that stuff identity politics signals you have a particular stance on those issues…it’s not a neutral name for those issues)
August 20, 2016 at 2:10 pm in reply to: chat room tonight…you getting the game at 9 ET or 10 ET? #51217
znModeratorLooks like the game is live on nfl.net which may mean they don’t show the entire game. They just cut to the Rams at 10 even though it has been in progress at that point for an hour.
It is re-broadcast at 5 AM Sunday

znModeratorAugust 20, 2016 at 12:05 pm in reply to: youtube party…post a song you like which you think is not that widely known #51209
znModeratorClearly you are interested in the legendary “satisfied/not satisfied” dialectic that goes to the heart of a lot of older generation african-american blues and gospel.
Here’s an alternative view.
znModeratorHer policies are essentially the same as Bill’s and Obamas. More of the same, with some likely Identity Politix window-dressing.
AND stuff on women’s choice, race, sexuality…that’s only window dressing if you’re a white male. Don’t be shocked at me saying that…it’s true. Sometimes we tell each other truths here so they can be looked at hard. That’s among friends. It should at least be open for discussion. I know I have been told that it’s heavily pro-Hillary whites males who say that, but I am not one of those. I say it because I think it’s an unavoidable deep issue in our world, and I say it as a decades long left progressive who could give a shit what Hillary loyalist nazis say.
When a man drives out to pick up a crabmeat club sandwich, there are times when his mind drifts to the great issues of his time, and he thinks…I didn’t misread anyone on the public forum did I.
And yes, I did. I took WV as saying that race/gender/sexuality are window dressing.
No, on 2nd read, he is saying those things are window dressing for Hillary.
I disagree with that but still, it’s a far cry from saying those issues in themselves are that.
So I take back my misreading, and humbly ask the gods to have mercy on me.
znModeratorZN,
But could you actually describe his policies? I try my best, but it’s extremely difficult, for the reasons listed. If you know them, please list them
Yes. We all can. “Policies” is a very general term. It doesn’t mean “specific plans.” If you don’t like the term “policies” say “general ideas and attitudes concerning ________ “.

And if you’re watching the game tonight join us in the chat room gawddammit.

Thanks for the invitation, ZN. Much appreciated.
I suspend my cable service (Directv, currently) every summer. Usually for two months or so. So I can’t watch the game. Am hoping when I call them in early September, I’ll get a good deal on the NFL ticket, which has been the norm for me for a long time. We’ll see.
I suppose I could go to a sports bar tonight and watch it, but, frankly, I’ve never been really big on exhibition games. In fact, I wish they’d do away with them. I really hate the idea of players getting hurt in games that don’t count. I hate them getting hurt, period, of course. But it seems especially perverse when the games are meaningless.
It’s Goff.
However you do it watch the game.
How often do the Rams trade up to pick 1 for a qb.
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August 20, 2016 at 10:10 am in reply to: chat room tonight…you getting the game at 9 ET or 10 ET? #51198
znModeratorgoing to the game tonight! so won’t be able to make the chat.
That;s fine. Instead of being in the chat, submit a long detailed game report.
Kidding. Have fun.
znModeratorZN,
But could you actually describe his policies? I try my best, but it’s extremely difficult, for the reasons listed. If you know them, please list them
Yes. We all can. “Policies” is a very general term. It doesn’t mean “specific plans.” If you don’t like the term “policies” say “general ideas and attitudes concerning ________ “.

And if you’re watching the game tonight join us in the chat room gawddammit.
August 20, 2016 at 9:45 am in reply to: Wagoner's replacement at ESPN sez Rams defense will take a step back this year #51191
znModeratorI really only like 3 CBs on the outside. Tru, Gaines, and Roberson.
You don’t like Troy Hill? I like TH (so far).
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znModeratorA huge problem when it comes to discussing policies, is that Trump is so vague about his
We know what they are.
Policies are not direct solutions or proposals. Though sometimes you do get those things.
You can tell where candidates stand on issues because they are courting constituencies.
Doesn’t mean we know their exact gameplan on this or that.
But we know generally where they stand on driving issues, and that’s what’s meant by “policies.”
znModeratorWell, I don’t care very much about discussing the policies this time around because it’s like discussing whether I would rather be drawn and quartered, or tied down naked on top of an agitated nest of bullet ants. I imagine being drawn and quartered is worse, but I wouldn’t get any pleasure out of going into the details of either of these events.
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I basically agree with that. And i think we KNOW Hillary’s policies.
She’s been around for a long time. Her policies are essentially the same as Bill’s and Obamas. More of the same, with some likely Identity Politix window-dressing.Trump? We ‘cant’ know a lot of his policies, cause he’s Trump. But we know he’s got some hideous ideas and his supreme court appointments would be mind-bogglingly dangerous.
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vAnd what I am hoping for is a comparison of all 4 people’s policies. And btw Zooey has posted things that perfectly spell out some of those differences, which I commend him for. It’s a simple fact that we are better off economically with HC on the basis of tax policy alone, for example.
ADDED BY EDIT: I PROBABLY MISREAD HERE. SEE BELOW. AND stuff on women’s choice, race, sexuality…that’s only window dressing if you’re a white male. Don’t be shocked at me saying that…it’s true. Sometimes we tell each other truths here so they can be looked at hard. That’s among friends. It should at least be open for discussion. I know I have been told that it’s heavily pro-Hillary whites males who say that, but I am not one of those. I say it because I think it’s an unavoidable deep issue in our world, and I say it as a decades long left progressive who could give a shit what Hillary loyalist nazis say.
For example if Sanders were regressive on that stuff he would never have gotten anywhere.
In the real world I am surrounded by Hillary politicos who don’t want to listen or converse on any of this. They give you dismissive loyalty test type one liners and don’t care what effect that has. I used to avoid political discussion because I got burned out on it. That’s why I was even reluctant to get into the original Iraq war discussions years ago. What burns me out on politics, is politicos.
The way I see the major issues always is to be progressive on economic, social, cultural issues and to maintain a very vigilant eye on issues of race, gender, and sexuality (which to me does not reduce to identity politics. For example being white comes not just with an invitation to blind privilege, but restrictions on who and what we are and can be.) I do not think those things can be divided–they are all interwoven. So I tend not to accept any division of those issues, no matter which way the division goes.
But…I will restrict comments like this to this thread. It’s hard to both manage the occasional posting-style extremes on this board and also participate in it. Maybe someone else could manage that divide easier than I do. If so I accept my failings in that respect and just do what I think is right given the circumstances.

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znModeratorWell, I don’t care very much about discussing the policies this time around because it’s like discussing whether I would rather be drawn and quartered, or tied down naked on top of an agitated nest of bullet ants. I imagine being drawn and quartered is worse, but I wouldn’t get any pleasure out of going into the details of either of these events.
But in terms of policies, no, it;s not like that. In terms of personalities it IS. But not policies. As many of your own posts make clear (you have some good policies posts on here.)
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znModeratorRamzee
Extensive Ram Camp Report from 8/18/2016 – Pics added!
When I got to Rams practice the team was done stretching and was starting work out on 11’s. The 11’s started out around the 50 yard line this time.
Guys NOT dressed that I saw were Nelson Spruce, Aaron Green, Tyler Higbee, and Isaiah Battle.
First Team Starters:
QB Jared Goff
HB Todd Gurley
WR Kenny Britt
WR Tavon Austin
WR Pharoh Cooper
TE Lance Kendricks
LT Greg Robinson
LG Cody Wichmann
C Tim Barnes
RG Jamon Brown
RT Darrell WilliamsDT Aaron Donald
DT Michael Brockers
DE Robert Quinn
DE William Hayes
MLB Alec Ogletree
OLB Akeem Ayers
OLB Cameron Lynch
FS Cody Davis
SS TJ McDonald
CB Trumaine Johnson
CB Cody SensabaughBennie Cunningham and Todd Gurley start off the 11’s with some runs up the middle. No throws by Goff. Horn sounds and the 2’s come out.
QB Case Keenum
HB Malcolm Brown
WR Brian Quick
WR Austin Hill
WR Mike Thomas
TE Cory Harkey/Justice Cunningham
LT Brian Folkerts
LG David Arkin
C Eric Kush
RG Garrett Reynolds
RT Andrew DonnalDT Dominique Easley
DT Cam Thomas
DE Ethan Westbrooks
DE Eugene Sims
MLB Bryce HagerOLB Josh Forrest
FS Rohan Gaines
SS Christian Bryant
CB LaMarcus Joyner
CB EJ Gaines
CB Troy HillQuick makes a nice jumping high point catch from Keenum on an out route in front of Bryce Hager in zone coverage. Quick follows that up with another catch over the middle that is dislodged by CB Troy Hill who has made lots of plays at camp this year. Keenum throws an out to Quick who looks open but it just misses low out of bounds. Horn sounds. 3rd team comes onto the field.
#RamsCamp started off with a BIG play by #Rams CB Troy Hill to break up the pass to Brian Quick. @thrilll_32 pic.twitter.com/4aMY0UAzKH
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Basically the rest of the team is a mix of the 3rd team. You’ll see all the rest of the guys out there switching in and out. Mannion runs the 3’s at QB.
Things start off with a run by Terrence Magee up the middle. Next play Mannion hits Austin Hill in stride on the post route for a big gain up the middle with plenty of room for RAC. One block or missed tackle and he would have taken it to the house. Terrance Magee with a better run up the middle for a few yards.
#Rams HB Terrence Magee spins through the hole for a decent gain in 11 on 11 team drills at #RamsCamp on Thursday. pic.twitter.com/CSgVhiObTl
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Horn sounds. Back to the 1’s again but this time they reverse fields and work out of their own 20 yard line, back against the end zone. Keenum and Goff switch units, Cae with the 1’s. Pass from Keenum looks to have gotten intercepted by Jabriel Washington on an out route to Pharoh Cooper. Next play is an outside run by Bennie Cunningham who turns up the corner of the field.
Horn sounds, 2’s come out with Goff leading the charge. Everyone’s favorite TE hopeful Hemingway sees some action. Demoff walks right in front of me, seems to be looking at my camera out of the corner of his eye and I’m completely oblivious lol. Goff hits Marquez Bradley for a 5 yard gain on an in rotue. Goff just misses Mike Thomas on the sideline vs Christian Bryant. Goff checkdown to Chase Reynolds for minimal gain.
Horn sounds, 3’s come in with Mannion at QB. First pass is a miss to a wide open Austin Hill on the sideline running a 10 yard out. Austin gets vertical and just misses the pass off of his fingertips. Quick pass to TE #49 on the next play. Darreon Herring with the tackle. Minimal gain. Austin Hill makes a diving catch on a quick slant from Mannion on the next play. Roberson on the coverage.
#Rams WR Austin Hill makes a huge catch and run in 11s on a post route up the seam. Only one man to beat for the TD. pic.twitter.com/OhykCprykq
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
This pass sails just over the outstretched arms of wide open #Rams WR Austin Hill on the sideline at #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/GlyT1vwfxj
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
This pass doesnt sail over #Rams WR Austin Hill as he makes the diving catch on the slant route in 11s at #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/SczWMMU9E6
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Horn sounds, Keenum and 1’s are back on the field to do a lil 2 minute drill. First play a big gainer on a crosser to Tavon Austin. Sensabaugh in press coverage. Next play, Play of the Day! Tavon Austin runs a corner route to the sideline and makes the one handed catch off of LaMarcus Joyner’s back. Cody Davis proceeded to tell him he went wide right out of bounds as he came back on the field.
First four plays of the Play of the Day sequence. Tavon Austin 1 handed catch at #RamsCamp on Thurs. @Tayaustin01 pic.twitter.com/UocwRAB9i3
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Next four plays of the Play of the Day sequence. Tavon Austin 1 handed catch at #RamsCamp on Thurs. @Tayaustin01 pic.twitter.com/c3KQmseIM7
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Last 3 pics of the Play of the Day sequence. Tavon Austin 1 handed catch at #RamsCamp on Thurs. @Tayaustin01 pic.twitter.com/t09JRdZGNg
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Keenum then finds Britt on the comeback route with Trumaine Johnson on tight coverage. Trumaine Johnson then stripped the ball to put the ball on the floor. Britt managed to bring the ball out of the ensuing scrum fighting off Aaron Donald who showed great hustle on the play. Scary moment after the play, as Case Keenum trips over Trumaine Johnson. Coach Singletary is there to help his man up. Ogletree blitzed and beat GRob with a spin move on the next play and Tavon caught the pass on a 10 yard sideline route against Trumaine Johnson.
#Rams CB Tru Johnson strips the ball from WR Kenny Britt after he makes the catch in 11vs11s at #RamsCamp on Thurs pic.twitter.com/nkieI5N8sw
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Scary moment after that strip by #Rams CB Tru Johnson as QB Case Keenum trips over him. Neither appeared hurt. pic.twitter.com/FR78MjPitt
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
#Rams MLB Alec Ogletree with the spin move on the blitz vs LT Greg Robinson to provide pressure on Case at #RamsCamp pic.twitter.com/bjN2H3EW4c
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 20, 2016
Horn sounds, Goff rolls in with the 2’s out of shotgun with an empty set starting about the 50 yard line. His first pass is broken up by Troy Hill as Hill blankets Mike Thomas on a slant route. Goff looked at him whole way. Next pass tries to hit Maclolm Brown in the flat but Brown drops it. Pretty nice ball placement by Goff on that throw. Next play Bradley Marquez for the huge gain on the in route across the middle in zone coverage. Goff throws a strike to Quick on a sideline comeback. Roberson in coverage. Roberson in coverage again gives up quick slant for a 10-15 yard gain before contact to Paul McRoberts. #12 (David Richards?) gets a nice catch over the middle working a high low concept over the top of MLB Brandon Chubb for a good 20 yards.
Horn sounds, Mannion gets set to run with the 3’s again. First snap is super high and Mannion jumps to save it. As he gathers his feet and sets to throw, he fumbles the ball out of the back of his hand as he starts his throwing motion. LT Pace Murphy with the heads up recovery before rookie Ian Seau got it. 10 yard IN route by Cunningham on the next play, Michael Caputo in tight coverage.
The Rams switched to Special Teams punt coverage drills next. Tavon fielded some Hekker punts. Hekker actually shanked a few out of bounds, including one that went off the field and bounced into the crowd. Tavon made a really nice catch on a punt with the sun right in his face. Dropped all the way to the ground to ensure the grab.
#Rams WR Tavon Awesome drops to his knees to field the punt with the sun directly in his face at #RamsCamp on Thurs. pic.twitter.com/X9lNsGoa2G
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
#Rams P Johnny Hekker with the big boot at #RamsCamp on Thursday. The pic is a lil blurry but #ImpeccableTiming. pic.twitter.com/ntZ4x3Butq
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Rams then moved into red zone drills from the 20 yard line, starting with the 1’s. Tavon scores to open up the drills. Not sure if it was a swing pass or a reverse or what but he was all alone after putting the moves on Tru. Missed the next play but there was a big play in the end azone. Either a pass breakup or an INT by LaMarcus Joyner vs Tavon Austin. Next play is a busted play and Keenum scrambles for a short gain. Next play is a quick screen to Kenny Britt who breaks Tru’s ankles on the goal line for an easy score even though Tru was in position.
Thursday was the Tavon Awesome show at #RamsCamp. He dominated the day with highlights. Scoring here in the red zone pic.twitter.com/wseGfTTuTG
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
#Rams WR Kenny Britt breaks CB Trumaine Johnsons ankles in the red zone to score at #RamsCamp on Thursday. pic.twitter.com/QYsS00IXYe
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Rams 2’s start red zone drills with a bubble screen from Goff to Bradley Marquez who gets the edge and picks up a nice 10 yard gain. Next play is a run by Malcolm Brown and he gets stuffed by big old NT Cam Thomas. Then Goff completes a Quick slant to Brian vs EJ Gaines inside the 5. Chase Reynolds gets the edge and turns up field for the score on an inside zone. Goff fields the very high Rhaney snap and bounces a dirt ball to Hemingway on a quick out. NT Cam Thomas swallows up another run, this time by Terrence Magee.
Switch fields, the 1’s head back to their own 20 yard line and run some plays going into the sun. Gurley starts off the session with a huge run to the left side behind GRob. We should be used to this by now. It’ll be a staple all season long. Next play a short gain to Benny Cunningham. He spells Gurley a LOT with the ones.
Switch to the 2’s and Goff landed a home run deep that I missed to one of the Rams receivers. I want to say it was Austin Hill but no way for me to verify that. He went over the top of Caputo deep. Then a short run to Malcolm Brown. Goff then throws the INT to Nic Grigsby instead of Chase Reynolds. Reynolds then burnt Ayers on the Texas route over the middle for a big gain. BTW Aaron Donald isn’t the only Rams DT to drop back into zone coverage. Easley has been doing that some too.
#Rams HB Chase Reynolds with the catch in 11's at #RamsCamp on Thursday with plenty of room to run after the catch. pic.twitter.com/V8AUGmmuZT
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
Mannion comes in with a mix of guys. Duke Williams makes a nice grab on a hook route in front of EJ Gaines. Dylan Thompson then filled in for the rest of the drill and had a lot of trouble finding open targets. He either lacked the anticipation skills to find a target or nobody was open. Leaning more towards the former. Had a few opportunities, all turned into scrambles aftert pocket collapsed.
Rams switch fields again and this time it looks like they’re simulating a 2 minute drill with the 2’s. Quick out to Pharoh Cooper complete out of bounds. Another similar play to Cooper but this time he falls down well short of the out of bounds marker. Next play a quick out to the other side to Cooper who would have had to break a tackle to reach the sideline. Next play a big toss downfield to Bradley Marquez running up the seam, the pass hits his fingertips and its almost intercepted by EJ Gaines. Gaines is DOWN! Thankfully he stands right back up immediately. He then clutched his ankle, in obvious pain and walked off the field with a trainer. Seems to be ok, in some pain though. Next play was a nice reception by Mike Thomas on the sideline in front of LaMarcus Joyner to end the day.
#Rams CB EJ Gaines dives for the pass from QB Jared Goff & aggravates his ankle at #RamsCamp. Gaines walked off. pic.twitter.com/myeVVxATEx
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
I also brought my family. Today was Linebackers and Special Teams for the kids autograph tent. They got to meet all those guys and had a blast by the looks of the pics! Now they’re lil Rams Camp addicts, just like daddy! lol
For those of you who are familiar with RRF and camp reports from the Rev over the years… GT Ball met up with a new friend at Rams Camp on Thursday. It’s HOFer Kevin GT Ball!
A rare GT Ball sighting at #RamsCamp. This time he's been spotted with HOFer sack master Kevin Greene Tennis Ball. pic.twitter.com/QDc8CdtrOC
— Mike Lakes (@TheRamsView) August 19, 2016
BTW I met up with an old RRF and new RFU member at Rams Camp named PhoenixRising. Ed was really cool and we got to see Tavon Austin sign his Austin jersey while at camp. Tavon lived up to the name awesome! Stayed WAAAAAY after dark and everybody else left to sign every single last autograph and talk to fans.
znModeratorI think you’re confusing the radical right’s absurd reinterpretation of the 2nd with its reality as an amendment. In short, they just don’t need to touch it in order to implement serious gun safety legislation. All of that would easily fit within its parameters, context and history.
As has been upheld by recent SC decisions.
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August 19, 2016 at 3:15 pm in reply to: This is the stuff of nightmares until you realize what it is #51144
znModerator. But I’ll do my best to placate your aesthetic no matter how much it tortures my soul.
Look back at your previous post, the one with the link. I re-did it for tactical internet reasons. Hope that’s okay.
August 19, 2016 at 12:27 pm in reply to: This is the stuff of nightmares until you realize what it is #51131
znModeratorOK will do.
Thank you! I honestly do appreciate it.
znModeratorSuch a terrible burden to prove you are who you say you are and are registered to vote. Makes one wonder why walking and chewing gum at the same time isn’t an Olympic event?
YOu massively missed the point here and your response is seriously facts-lite.
No amount of quipping will cover over that. On the bases of that statement it’s apparent you don’t get this issue. Stuck in a partisan swamp? Happens.
August 19, 2016 at 12:22 pm in reply to: This is the stuff of nightmares until you realize what it is #51127
znModeratorGuys
Do me a favor.
Trim the quoted material in your posts before posting. It’s easy. I have been doing it for you. But you can do it yourselves. Just blue out then delete the excess.
A lot of the time, the reason posts look readable and orderly is because a mod edited it. (Though more mods should be doing that as a matter of course, at least with their own posts.)
So it’s very simple and easy to cut down on the number of quotations included per post. I would appreciate help with that because sometimes I, too, just want to read things and think about them without constantly playing janitor.
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znModeratorsmoking Gun Memo Could Bolster Voting Rights Case Against North Carolina
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/north-carolina-gop-scotus-voting-rights
North Carolina’s Republican Party has had an interesting response to a recent appeals court ruling that said a number of voting restrictions passed by the state’s GOP legislature were enacted with the intent to discriminate against minorities, specifically African Americans. In their scramble after the ruling, party operatives and local Republican officials have perhaps inadvertently provided more evidence that the restrictions were passed with the intent to discriminate.
The most egregious example was a memo sent by North Carolina Republican Party executive director Dallas Woodhouse to county election officials urging them to continue to push for reductions in voting access, in which he explicitly spelled out a partisan motivation.
The memo came as the state is asking the Supreme Court to reverse the appeal court ruling, and restore for November’s election some of the restrictions the appeals court struck down. And it may provide additional fodder for the voting rights advocates fighting the state’s restrictions.
“It was stunning and stupid,” Daniel Tokaji, an elections law professor at Ohio State University. “Stunning that somebody would be so brazen about his and the party’s objective, and stupid in the sense it really seems to me to undercut their arguments to get the Supreme Court review that the lawyers had made.”
The state — now represented by the high-powered Supreme Court advocate Paul Clement, a former solicitor general in the George W. Bush administration — is currently asking Chief Justice John Roberts to allow it to implement some of the restrictions struck down by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last month. Among other things, North Carolina wants a reversal on the early voting provision — where the appeals court had invalidated a law that cut back early voting from 17 days to 10.
“If I was their lawyer, I would be absolutely furious,” Tokaji said, of the Woodhouse memo.
In the memo, Woodhouse pushed for the reduction of voting hours, the removal of college campus polling sites and the elimination of Sunday voting.
“Republican Board members should feel empowered to make legal changes to early voting plans, that are supported by Republicans,” he wrote. “Republicans can and should make party line changes to early voting.”
He directed it to Republicans on county election boards, who are currently working out the voting schedules for the extra week of voting put back in place by the appeals court.
“They are arguing that they can comply with the law by just having early voting available for just 17 days but only at county board of elections during business hours,” said Chris Brook, the legal director of the ACLU of North Carolina who is on the challengers’ team of lawyers. “From a practical standpoint that is insane.”
More than half the state is expected to use in-person early voting this election, according to a directive the state Board of Elections itself sent out to the counties after the appeals court decision.
Yet, a handful of county officials are doing anything to make early voting — which is used disproportionately by African Americans — as inaccessible as possible. Mecklenburg County’s GOP elections board chair Mary Potter Summa said she was “not a fan of early voting” before slashing more than 200 hours from the schedule. Watauga County officials blocked an election site at Appalachian State University and will have only one office for early voting. Dallas Woodhouse’s own cousin, Eddie Woodhouse, tried unsuccessfully to eliminate Sunday voting and remove a site from N.C. State’s campus.
“Many of the jurisdictions feel that they are on the receiving end of a liberal decision that will help Democrats in elections. They are going to do whatever they can to re-enact the laws within the bounds that the court has allowed,” said Nate Persily, an election law professor at Stanford University. “Their resistance is expected, given that they are afraid that the court’s decision will accelerate a Democratic tide in the presidential election.”
But their efforts, coupled with Woodhouse’s memo, may inadvertently make it easier for the the restrictions’ legal opponents to prove their point to the Supreme Court.
“In the Supreme Court, there’s usually no introduction of material not in the record of the court below. The Supreme Court generally cannot engage in fact finding,” Rick Hasen, a professor at UC-Irvine School of Law who runs the Election Law blog, said in an email to TPM. “Nonetheless, it would not surprise me for some of the plaintiffs to cite news reports on this to make the claim that this is further evidence of discriminatory intent and that the Fourth Circuit got it right. And the Justices (or their clerks) are no doubt aware of this in any case.”
According to Persily, North Carolina’s monkeying with county protocols could invite not just a stay denial, but also a written explanation that backs up the 4th Circuit’s findings.
“The critical question is whether the court, whether five members of the court, think it’s important to send a signal to the lower courts and to the jurisdictions on the run up in this election,” Persily said.
Clement did not respond to TPM’s inquiry. But Woodhouse has defended his memo in a statement that said, “ Republicans will keep fighting for our positions to preserve the integrity of the voting process so everyone’s vote is properly counted, and any other positions we deem fit— because the Democrats haven’t made it a crime to be Republican— YET.”
When asked by TPM about its potential impact on the litigation, he wrote in an email, “[R]epublicans have the same right to advocate that voting sites be put in certain places, what hours they are open, and the fairness of the procedures.”
“The 4th [C]ircuit ruled that the law we passed should not go forward. They did not rule that we [R]epublicans are prevented from advocating our own cause,” he added. “The left wants people with no ID, to vote whenever and however they want, and [R]epublicans to be silent about it or they call us names. They won’t stop us from advocating for fair, safe and secure voting.”
znModeratoroff the net from MamaRAMa
Excessive f-bombs are pretty much par for the course. When Hard Knocks covered the Jets, Rex Ryan, who was the HC at the time, was one of the worse F-bombers of all time. It would have been interesting to have Hard Knocks cover the Colts while Tony Dungy was the HC. It probably wouldn’t have been spicy enough for viewers.
However I wouldn’t say that the stupidity and childishness we see this year on Hard Knocks is the norm. I don’t recall any of the previous Hard Knocks series showing too much in regards to x’s and o’s. Prior shows seem to take time to focus on one or two players trying hard to make the team. It has shown them during practice, individual drills, studying, and even their home life…. clear up to cut day and whether or not they make the team. It has also shown more of coaches evaluating players in meeting rooms (although they skillfully omitted names). I’m surprised there’s not more focus on Goff, since he’s the golden boy. In my opinion, the fact that it’s Los Angeles, i.e. Hollywood… has had an impact on the way this year’s Hard Knocks is being filmed. What I’m seeing is the Hollywood “mentality” beginning to envelop the team. A lot of fluff and not much substance but that’s what reality shows do. They’re in L.A., now, the entertainment capital of the world. I guess it’s to be expected. I think the NFL brass probably has no problem with it
If you’ve never seen the series before and want to compare this year’s to something, go here (below). On the right hand side, you’ll see some episodes from previous seasons. It’s not the whole season and they’re not in order, but if you want an idea of how previous seasons were filmed, this should do it.
link: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24gie3_atlanta-falcons-hard-knocks-season-9-episode-3_sport
znModeratorHere’s what I mean by policy discussion.
What would all 4 candidates approach all issues. Economic, social, legal (the courts) and so on. The list of issues would be complete, and it would include a look at all 4 on each issue. I would even toss in Sanders just for the sake of comparison (although, fuck Cruz…I would include Sanders, not him).
I am very good at being an outspoken left “ideologue” when I want to (I used the word in scare quotes with irony, finesse, and humor).
But I also know that everywhere I turn, including among my politically-engaged friends here in the real world, the policy discussion is lacking. I PERSONALLY (speaking just for myself) take that as being as empty as anything we get from national media. IMO it IS what we complain about most of the time.
I really could care less at this point if people hate Hillary, or Trump, or both. It’s starting to sound like inter-team fan sports discussion (“9ers suck.”)
I want to know what they will do if elected. All of it, to the extent that can be stated with any relative certainty. Taxes, for example. Education. Blah blah blah.
Hint: and that won’t or can’t come from just one person, and it won’t and can’t be about just one candidate.
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