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znModeratorThe Rams were the only team that competed with the Eagles in the playoffs… and were 15 yards from beating them…
Yeah I thought of that.
znModeratorIan Rapoport@RapSheet
This is the third time a Patrick Mahomes offense has been shutout in the first half in his career… and the lowest total yards for the #Chiefs with Mahomes as QB.#Eagles 24, #Chiefs 0
…Matt Verderame@MattVerderame
The Chiefs have 23 offensive yards on 1.2 yards per play.This is easily one of the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history, and also the worst offensive performance.
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Predicted a 31-16 Eagles win.
May have given Chiefs too much credit. https://t.co/6PFKhQ3bXz— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) February 10, 2025
znModerator10 to nothin Eagles with 8 left in the 1st half.
17 to nothin Eagles 2 minutes to go in the 1st half. KC with 3 yards rushing, Mahomes 5 for 10 with 1 INT & 3 sacks.
znModeratorRemember for me the issues was making the post-season. Not being the champion. There is no formula in baseball like the “qb + coach + defense” one we talked about, so in football the “hope” parity brings is making the playoffs.
On money teams in baseball–do the top 10 money teams make the post season more than the others?
Well I looked.
Of the teams that made the playoffs 3 or more times from 2020 to 2024, 5 are in the top 10 in terms of payroll (Mets, Yankees, Phil, Dodgers, Atros, and Braves). So that’s 50% of them.
2 are in the middle 11-20 (St.Louis and Milwaukee).
2 are in the bottom 21-30 (Tampa and White Sox).
Counting the bottom 20, 11-30, that 4 teams is 20% of them.
Of the top 10 teams, only 1–Texas–has made it just once, and one didn’t make it at all. 3 made it twice. So that’s 80% that made it at least twice.
Of the bottom 20 teams from 11-30, 4 made it just twice, 7 made it just once, and 5 never made it. So that’s 40% that made it at least twice.
znModeratorThey’re something “off” about this discussion. It doesn’t feel like internet discussion. Too rational and fact based, with different interpretations being stated in civil and respectful ways, and the general feel that the discussion itself has value instead of any particular raw outcome.
So let me fix that.
Zooey’s irrational hatred of the NFL shows up in his “baseball uber alles” rantings.
There. Better.
znModeratorI won’t be watching I don’t think. Will check scores while doing other things. To me the real question of the game is, can the Eagles make Mahomes be less Mahomes-y. If they can, maybe they can win. I would prefer that they didn’t–I don’t like the Eagles much. I don’t hate them they way many Rams fans hate the Vikes and 49ers and the way I used to hate Dallas. But I have more of that low key “sibling connection” with KC.
znModerator, baseball shares the World Series trophy more widely than the NFL shares the Lombardi.
Is there an equivalent in baseball to having a top 3 or 4 coach, plus a top 3 or 4 qb, plus a very solid (top 10 or near it) defense? Because what we see in the NFL is that the teams that have those 3 items dominate the postseason.
They also repeat in the postseason. So for example, after KC had Reid + Mahomes + the Spags defense … and they had all 3 as of 2019 … they won 5 out of 6 conference games and then won 3 out of the 4 super bowls they have played so far.
My bet is that the MLB teams that repeat the most often year after year in the playoffs are the big money teams.
znModeratorBelow is an old vid setting up the 2021 super bowl. In it Carson Palmer talks about how the Bengals have a huge issue blocking AD. At 2:30 in he talks about the first time he played against Donald, during AD’s rookie year in 2014. Palmer wasn’t that aware before that game who AD was. He talks about calling a 7 step drop pass and his OL erupts, taking issue with the play. He says:
“I finally get a second to hear what they’re saying (we’re in a loud stadium) and they’re like ‘I can’t even see 99 let alone block him.'”
znModeratorMoney makes a difference, but baseball, of all sports, has the highest percentage of underdogs getting to the top.
I think the NFL it works this way. Parity is real. But with parity throughout the league, a singular advantage puts you above the parity-driven norm. The clearest and most absolute advantage goes to teams that combine a great head coach, a great qb, and a very solid defense. Which btw would describe the Patz and KC.
That combination is actually hard to get. One of the top 3 or 4 coaches, with one of the top 3 or 4 qbs, with a very solid defense.
With parity in the NFL, what does change year to year is not the super bowl, it’s the playoffs. In the last 3 years 22 teams have made the postseason. 2/3rds of the league in 3 years. If you go back 5 years it’s 29 teams. All but 3.
znModeratorRams 2024 Top 5 Defensive Plays
znModeratorJAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGEN
Here’s every season rookie pressure leader since 2006 per PFF:1. Nick Bosa – 80 (2019)
2. Jared Verse – 77 (2024)
3. Micah Parsons – 67 (2021)
4. Aldon Smith – 64 (2011)
T-5. Will Anderson – 59 (2023)
T-5. Carl Lawson – 59 (2017)
T-5. Joey Bosa – 59 (2016)
T-8. Bradley Chubb – 57 (2018)
T-8. Kamerion Wimbley – 57 (2006)
10. Khalil Mack – 54 (2014)
11. Aidan Hutchinson – 53 (2022)
12. Leonard Williams – 52 (2015)
13. Clay Matthews – 49 (2009)
14. Chandler Jones – 43 (2012)
15. Ndamukong Suh – 41 (2010)
16. Chase Young – 40 (2020)
17. Gaines Adams – 39 (2007)
18. Kawann Short – 36 (2013)
19. Sedrick Ellis – 34 (2008)znModeratorWhy does that seem so weird? Faulk as a RB coach for Deion Sander’s Colorado team.
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vHe shot his analyst career to pieces, so this is a possible alternative.
znModeratorMarshall Faulk is Colorado's new RBs coach, joining Deion Sanders' staff in what will be the Rams legend's first coaching opportunity https://t.co/h1bVTrJ0d4
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) February 7, 2025
znModeratorNO DEB8️⃣TE.@JaredVerse1 is the Defensive Rookie of the Year! pic.twitter.com/7UNk5HWi8h
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) February 7, 2025
February 6, 2025 at 2:49 am in reply to: a late start…time for the thread on Trump atrocities, or “Trumpocities” #155054znModeratorMusical interlude.
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Oh, the rovin’ gambler, he was very bored
Tryin’ to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell on the floor
He said, “I never did engage in this kind of thing before, but
Yes, I think it can be very easily done
We need to put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61”znModeratorRams Wire@TheRamsWire
Rams retaining pass game specialist Nate Scheelhaase despite drawing interest from 2 teamsIan Rapoport@RapSheet
The #Rams are retaining pass game specialist Nate Scheelhaase, source says, despite interest from the #Jaguars in him being their new OC.Just one year in LA, Scheelhaase has impressed all across the league. And while there is a lot to like in Jax, he sticks with Sean McVay.
znModeratorStafford commented on the trade for the first time in an interview with CBS Sports HQ, and here’s what he said.
“It’s tough. I’ve been around long enough to know anything is possible, but Cooper’s been a pillar of this organization and this community for a long time, since he got drafted here,” he said. “His ability to impact the guys in our locker room, obviously his play on the field and the people in the community he’s been able to impact, it’s incredible. Super Bowl MVP, the guy’s as good as it gets when it comes to making plays on the grass, but he’s probably even better in our locker room, meeting rooms and obviously as a family man. Lucky to get to spend the time that I got to spend with him. Probably spent more time with Cooper Kupp than any other teammate I’ve ever had as far as in the building and talking football and being about football, so I’ll miss him not being on the same team.”
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znModeratorSpoke with sources around the NFL about how much Cooper Kupp has left in the tank, with Rams seeking to move him in a trade.
"He absolutely has gas in the tank," said former NFL receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. "Premium gas at that."
My story @NFLonFOX https://t.co/CaX5fr9Jqc
— Eric Williams (@eric_d_williams) February 6, 2025
znModeratorRams retaining pass game specialist Nate Scheelhaase despite drawing interest from 2 teams https://t.co/ftx6JXsXa7 pic.twitter.com/j0nB2LWWa9
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) February 6, 2025
February 5, 2025 at 1:27 pm in reply to: a late start…time for the thread on Trump atrocities, or “Trumpocities” #155044znModeratorThis is not a serious proposal for the US to own Gaza. It’s comical. Egypt and Jordan are not taking in 2.4 million Palestinians. Developers aren’t going to front $50 billion to rebuild Gaza. The US Armed Forces aren’t going to muscle Hamas out of Gaza. https://t.co/PmXkwHzdrX
— Barry R McCaffrey (@mccaffreyr3) February 5, 2025
znModeratorDrew Wilkins has 15 years of NFL coaching experience,
This isn’t a replacement. It’s a desired add-on. Shula wanted this guy in his coaching armory.
znModeratorDrew Wilkins has 15 years of NFL coaching experience, his most recent role was that of the New England Patriots’ outside linebackers coach in 2024 under HC Jerod Mayo.
Wilkins began his coaching career as an intern with the Baltimore Ravens in 2010 and took on greater responsibility on the Ravens coaching staff over the next 12 years. Ultimately, he rose to become the Ravens’ outside linebackers coach (2018-21) before leaving to fill a similar role with the New York Giants coaching staff for two seasons and with the Patriots in 2024.
Dan Wilkins is more than just an Xs and Os guy, as he had solid reviews from the Baltimore Ravens for his time there. He contributed to the Ravens’ stellar reputation for fielding a consistently stingy defense. And it’s that ability to take the defense to the next level that makes him a key addition to this defense.
znModerator@speed_kills@speedk1lls
the 3rd year in a row to suffer a high ankle sprain, the emergence of Puka as the primary. dude has pride. Kupp is a great players maybe even greater person but his injury history has prevented him from being an all time greatand that is too bad
Gary Klein@LATimesklein
Hopkins on Kupp: “From how he tweeted and how he made it seem, they’re going to work with him on finding him a home– and I think that’s a blessing. A lot of players don’t get the opportunity to choose where they want to go, like myself when I went from Houston to Arizona.February 4, 2025 at 11:59 am in reply to: a late start…time for the thread on Trump atrocities, or “Trumpocities” #155031znModeratorznModeratorznModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Cooper Kupp was the No. 69 pick by the Rams in 2017 — the second draft pick of Sean McVay’s tenure.During his time in LA, Kupp has totaled 634 catches for 7,776 yards and 57 touchdowns, and won Offensive Player of the Year and Super Bowl MVP in 2021.
He also holds the records for the most yards from scrimmage by a wide receiver in a single season (1,965) and the most receptions in a single postseason (33).
znModeratorCooper Kupp says the Rams told the star receiver they are going to trade him
Jourdan Rodrigue
The Los Angeles Rams have informed Cooper Kupp that they are seeking a trade for the star receiver, he said in a post on X on Monday, after he ended the season uncertain about his future with the team he helped lead to a Super Bowl victory.
“I don’t agree with the decision and always believed it was going to begin and end in LA,” Kupp wrote.
“Still, if there’s one thing that I have learned over the years: there are so many things that are out of your control, but it is how you respond to these things that you will look back on and remember.”
Kupp said one day after the Rams’ divisional-round loss in Philadelphia in January that he planned to play football in 2025, though allowed that the location was uncertain. The Rams had trade conversations about Kupp with other teams ahead of this year’s deadline, of which he was aware.
“Do I want to play next year? Oh yeah,” he said, laughing. “There’s no doubt in my mind I want to play football. I feel like I’ve got a lot of good football left in me. I definitely will be playing — I will be playing football next year. That much I know.”
A multiyear team captain, Kupp was the NFL’s triple crown winner and Super Bowl MVP in 2021, and had spent his entire career in L.A. after he was drafted in the third round in 2017. The 2021 Associated Press Offensive Player of the Year said he is expecting to have a full and healthy offseason.
Kupp, 31, finished the regular season with 67 catches for 710 yards and six touchdowns in 12 games. His targets dwindled during the back stretch of the regular season and into the playoffs. He had four catches on nine targets over the last three regular-season games, was targeted once for one catch against Minnesota in the wild-card round and caught five passes on seven targets against the Eagles in the divisional-round loss. In his 14 games (including the postseason) this season, Kupp had 10 or more targets just four times and eight or more targets six times.
Injuries have been partially to blame as Kupp has dealt with ailments in each of the last three seasons. He played in just nine regular-season games in 2022, and 12 games apiece in 2023 and 2024 — with a high ankle sprain costing him time this season.
That dip in production did not meet his current salary in the Rams’ eyes. In 2022, Kupp signed a three-year, $80 million contract extension with the Rams. His salary-cap numbers in 2025 and 2026 are $29.7 million and $27.3 million, respectively, with $5 million in guarantees in 2025 and none in 2026, according to Over the Cap. He also is owed roster bonuses of $12.5 million combined over the next two seasons per OTC. The $7.5 million roster bonus owed to Kupp in 2025 triggers on March 19.
A league source said that the Rams did not directly ask Kupp to restructure his existing contract in order to stay in L.A., although to make a trade more appealing to prospective teams an adjusted contract is likely still a possibility.
In separate news conferences in late January, neither coach Sean McVay (who has spent his entire tenure with Kupp) nor general manager Les Snead would commit to Kupp’s future with the Rams.
Instead, Snead seemed to speak carefully about Kupp, almost as if his tenure were in the past tense, though without using language that direct.
“I can say that if you’re speaking about Cooper or Matthew (Stafford), I don’t even know if I could put into words what they’ve meant to this organization. I think I probably have a picture behind me somewhere where it’s Cooper Kupp catching a ball at SoFi on the last weekend of the NFL season,” Snead said. “A ball thrown by Matthew Stafford (changed) the course of this franchise. There is a banner hanging in that stadium that only one team gets a year. What can I say about that? Those moments, a lot of memories, and a lot of pictures, that’s what they mean to us.”
The future of quarterback Matthew Stafford, who does expect to continue playing (as he said in the locker room in Philadelphia), is also a topic in question for the Rams. Stafford adjusted his contract to move most of its remaining guarantees to the 2024 season, effectively rendering it a one-year deal.
The Rams must decide whether to adjust the contract again, or part ways with Stafford. Neither Snead nor McVay expressly committed to the veteran quarterback in their end-of-season news conferences, though allowed that figuring out his situation is a top priority.
znModeratorThey won’t get a goddam thing for him.
If all they could get for Robert Woods was a 6th, and basically nothing for Ernest Jones, with those $ numbers on Kupp’s deal, they’re probably going to have to sweeten the pot.
Kupp and a 3rd round pick for a 2nd round pick.
I hate this planet.
I’ll bet they don’t even get that much, actually.
You 2 need to stop arguing.
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znModeratorOne hasta post things like this. It’s the scuttlebutt surrounding a news story.
…Which teams might consider trading for Cooper Kupp? Here are 10 potential landing spots (blame @KyleAMadson, not me, for No. 10) https://t.co/2OXw3D9gT8
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) February 4, 2025
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"He was the hero of their Super Bowl run. Now all of a sudden he's expendable? Think about how shocking that sounds here."
—@LRiddickESPN on the Rams seeking to trade WR Cooper Kupp pic.twitter.com/NeSU02nimt
— Get Up (@GetUpESPN) February 4, 2025
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