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November 9, 2017 at 8:54 am in reply to: 5 Rams on espn's midseason all-pro team (& more midseason rams stuff from espn) #77174
znModeratorSean McVay’s culture change has Rams rolling at midseason
Alden Gonzalez
Here’s a look at the first half of the season for the Los Angeles Rams and a preview of what to expect in the second half.
First-half snapshot: At 6-2, the Rams are off to the kind of start few could’ve ever foreseen. Their offense, last in the NFL in yards each of the previous two years, has operated as one of the league’s best. And their defense is starting to resemble the dominant unit that was expected under coordinator Wade Phillips. In half a year, Sean McVay, the youngest head coach in modern NFL history, has turned Jared Goff into a capable starting quarterback, helped Todd Gurley recapture his dominant form and changed the Rams’ entire culture. Grade: Near perfection.
Midseason MVP: The question was whether he could get back to being who he was as a rookie, but Gurley has been even better than that. He’s running more efficiently than he did in 2015, when he finished with offensive rookie of the year honors, and factoring into the passing game like he never has. Gurley already has 10 total touchdowns, four more than all of last season, and has gained an NFC-leading 1,024 yards from scrimmage. He has benefited largely from a better passing attack, the product of significant improvements along the offensive line and at wide receiver. But Gurley himself has taken his game to another level after a disappointing 2016.
Best moment: The moment you knew Goff was a capable NFL quarterback? Probably the night of Sept. 21, while playing in front of family and friends at Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara, California. Goff torched his hometown San Francisco 49ers in an eventual 41-39 thriller. He went 22-of-28 for 292 yards, 3 touchdowns and zero turnovers, posting a 145.8 passer rating that was — until Sunday’s dismantling of the Giants — the highest of his career. He stepped up into the pocket to air a 47-yard deep ball to Sammy Watkins, delivered a 31-yard dart off one foot to Robert Woods and never got rattled as the game got close.
Worst moment: The Rams committed five turnovers, most of them avoidable, Oct. 8 at home against the division rival Seattle Seahawks. Cooper Kupp, their sure-handed rookie slot receiver, still had the potential winning touchdown in his hands. And he dropped it. On third-and-10, with 12 seconds left and the ball at the Seahawks’ 20-yard line, Kupp ran a skinny post and got free near the end zone. Goff’s throw was zipping toward him as soon as Kupp came out of his route, but the ball ricocheted off his fingertips on a diving attempt. The Rams lost 16-10, and now the Seahawks own the tiebreaker.
Second-half outlook: The Rams’ schedule gets tougher, with five of their eight remaining opponents sporting a winning record. They’re on the road against the Minnesota Vikings, Tennessee Titans and Seahawks, and at home against the New Orleans Saints and Philadelphia Eagles — all teams that could end up winning their respective divisions. But the Rams are fully healthy, a luxury few teams benefit from at the midway point. Their offense should only grow under McVay; their defense should only get better under Phillips. But as veteran left tackle Andrew Whitworth said, “The standard needs to keep rising.”
znModeratorSean McVay: Backup RB Malcolm Brown ‘out for a little bit of time‘
Alden Gonzalez
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21344262/los-angeles-rams-malcolm-brown-injures-mcl
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Malcolm Brown, Todd Gurley’s backup at running back, injured an MCL in the second half of Sunday’s win and is “going to be out for a little bit of time,” Los Angeles Rams coach Sean McVay said after Wednesday’s practice.
Brown’s absence could open a role for Lance Dunbar, who is still officially on the physically unable to perform list but has been able to practice with the team since the start of last week.
The Rams have yet to decide whether Brown will require surgery on the knee, but they’re seemingly prepared for this to become a long-term injury.
Brown has gained 138 yards on 37 carries and has scored two touchdowns, one of which came after recovering a blocked punt.
The Rams also have Justin Davis, an undrafted free agent out of USC who ran well during the preseason but was prone to fumbles. Tavon Austin, the Rams’ high-priced gadget receiver, has acted like a running back while presenting the threat of jet sweeps.
Dunbar, who spent the previous five years with the Dallas Cowboys, was brought in to be something of a change-of-pace back and was hoping to fill a role similar to the one Chris Thompson played for McVay’s Washington Redskins offense, as someone who specialized in catching passes out of the backfield.
McVay will use the rest of the week to determine whether Davis or Dunbar will take Brown’s place behind Gurley, who ranks third in the NFL with 190 touches. The Rams can leave Dunbar on the PUP list through the end of next week before having to make a determination on his status.
znModeratorLos Angeles Rams HC Sean McVay — Monday, Nov. 6
(On if he is surprised with the position that the team is in at this point in the season)
“I think our team has done a great job. Continue to come away impressed with the way that our players handle every single week, whether that be responding from good or bad things – can’t say enough about our coaching staff. We’ve got a lot of good people that are doing the right things, that are putting ourselves in a position to win these football games and have these outcomes. We talk about that one day at a time approach and respecting that process and that’s what we’ll do leading into the Texans game with (Texans Head) Coach (Bill) O’Brien and these guys coming into town and what’s going to be a great challenge for us.”
(On if he can see the thirst and hunger for more knowledge from his players and buying into this process)
“That’s exactly right and that’s something that we talk about day-in and day-out. I think the players are bought in, they believe in it and we talk about some of those things as a coaching staff. But then, when the players really believe it, they carry it over in terms of how they act in the locker room and then how that translates to the way they carry themselves in meetings, on the practice field and then hopefully our practice preparation equaling game reality – there’s been a lot of good examples of that. The thing that we are encouraged with right now is you look at the last two games we’ve played in, there’s been a good performance really we feel like we put all three phases together. If we continue to do that, we’ll give ourselves a chance to compete and try to come away with some wins. But, we’re focusing on getting ready for the Houston Texans now, we feel good about the win yesterday, but it’s time to move on and get ready for a good football team.”
(On the advice that he gives his players about believing the hype)
“I think it’s just like what we’ve done. There has been a lot of things that have been said and really, when you look at it, what were teams’ records at the halfway point last year? You don’t remember unless you’re at the halfway point. It’s how you finish games and how you finish seasons and for us right now, it’s about finding a way to play a really good ninth game of the season for us because that’s what it is. If we do good things there and come away with the result that we want, then we’ll worry about what’s next after that and that’s the approach that our team has taken. Really, whether we come away with a win or a loss, the guys have responded the same and our approach doesn’t change. We want to be consistent and methodical with how we go about our weekly process and rhythm and I think the players have gotten comfortable with that, they’re bought into what we’re doing and it’s showing up on the tape and we want to see that continue.”
(On if there is a part of the game that he identifies that needs improvement)
“When you look at the last couple games, there’s always going to be things when you break down an entire game of things that you can clean up, whether that be the fundamentals, techniques, some of the assignments and how we play basic adjustments whether that be on offense, defense or special teams. But, I think we feel good about what we’ve done the last couple weeks – there’s always room for improvements. There’s a handful of plays in all three phases that we feel like we could have made. There’s a lot of good things that we are doing right now, but it goes back to we really talk about our football philosophy with our players and the number one thing that we talk about is it’s always about the ball. By going plus-three in the turnover margin yesterday, that was a big indicator of giving yourself to win the football game and now we’re at plus-three for the season. If we can continue taking care of the football offensively, getting it back defensively and then special teams making sure that when you get the blocked punt or when they’re returning the ball that we have 100 percent ball security there. Those are the things that we talk about, we emphasis moving forward and those don’t really change. You can always find room for improvement. I think there are a lot of good things right now, but you’re never content and we’re big believers in you never stay the same, you either get better or you get worse and we preach that daily improvement every day and I think our players are doing that right now.”
(On the reaction of the coaches and the players after big plays)
“I think everybody is happy for each other – that is the biggest thing that is good right now about the team. When you look at those big plays, whether it’s (WR) Pharoh Cooper making a big punt return and how excited (WR) Tavon Austin gets or (LB) Cory Littleton blocks a punt and you watch the way that (LB) Alec Ogletree and (P Johnny) Hekker and all those guys run on to the field to celebrate. We’ve got a connected team right now. We want to continue to stay connected, guys are pulling for each other – it certainly isn’t a separate offense, defense, special teams – it’s a team that’s connecting. We’re committed to each other and we want to continue with that theme moving forward and I think that’s going to serve us well because inevitably at some point you do face some adversity. Whether that is leaning on one phase or another and we can look back to instances of that throughout the course of the year and these eight games that we’ve played, but when we play all three phases like we have the last couple of weeks, you’re going to give yourself a chance to play efficient football. Our team’s got a lot of confidence right now, but we know that it’s a week-to-week business and if you’re not ready to gonext Sunday at one o’clock when we play the Texans, you get humbled very quickly in this league. I think our players respect and acknowledge that.”
(On how he identified LB Cory Littleton as a player that could be utilized in blocking punts)
“Well, Cory has been a guy that’s been a big time contributor for the special teams unit for the last couple years and I credit ‘Bones’ (Special Teams Coordinator John Fassel) to that. ‘Bones’ is a special leader, special, special teams coach where he’s got a great feel for the game, he knows how to attack protections in the punt pro game and I think Cory is excellent. He has put him in some good spots. You look back at the Jacksonville game and then you look at what we did yesterday – he and (LB) Samson (Ebukam) are kind of just running a little stunt together and you just look how quick he got lateral, vertical immediately and then to lay out where if he doesn’t get the contact, he’s still going to clear himself of the punter so that you don’t come away with a penalty. So, he’s playing really good football right now. When he’s played defense, he’s been extremely efficient and Cory Littleton, he continues to show up week-in and week-out. He’s very important to our special teams and I think he’s a big reason why they’re playing at such a high level right now.”
(On how he viewed and broke down the WR Sammy Watkins touchdown on film today)
“It was a big-time play and similar to how we felt after yesterday – great protection up front, kind of selling a little play-action deal where it looks like your boot and Sammy is kind of running a double move where he’s selling the corner and then breaking it back to the post and then we’ve got (WR) Cooper Kupp running on a crossing route. So, kind of a three-level throw. You can see that (Giants S Landon) Collins got himself caught where he was kind of holding a disguise and (QB) Jared (Goff) let it go with great anticipation and then Sammy, you see the elite speed down the field. What a great catch and throw. I think especially in the elements; it was a big-time play. To go for a long touchdown, I think it was great for those guys to be able to connect on that play, it certainly gave our team a big spark – we were all happy with it. But, those two players individually, a great throw, a great catch and route especially in the circumstances where it had just started to rain again and it was really wet. That was phenomenal by those guys and we were really pleased. It definitely gave us a spark.”
(On what was going through his mind when the ball was sailing through the air)
“I thought it was a heck of a throw where that thing got out there and it was carrying really well and you could see it was going to have to be a phenomenal, fingertip-type catch. When he pulled it in, I think I was probably as excited as anybody, like you’re saying. It was great for those guys to be able to make that play and very happy for Sammy and Jared and really our team as a whole because of what that provided for our unit.”
(On Watkins being excited about his teammates success while dealing with limited targets because of coverage)
“It was really – it was fun to watch yesterday when you look at the third-and-33 that (WR) Robert Woods takes, which was a great individual effort by him and he had some great blocks out front. But if you look at the opposite side of the formation, Sammy was the single receiver there. He throws down the guy that’s lined up over the top of him and then he does enough to shield (Giants CB) Eli Apple on the backside which is really kind of the last guy that was there to potentially be able to make that play. Watching the way he’s competed without the ball and then he’s running good routes, he dictates and determines where guys are aware of him. There’s certain coverages that you have a feel of certain guys that are going to match him and he’s really done an excellent job of being a big contributor, even though sometimes you only see the one catch for the touchdown yesterday. But he’s making a lot of things happen without the ball in his hands and it sounds cliché, but it’s true. You go back to the Arizona game – he has a big-time block on (Cardinals OLB) Chandler Jones on a third down conversion to (RB) Todd (Gurley). He was the one that was the lead blocker on the touchdown to Cooper Kupp on the screen, so he’s continued to respond exactly the right way that we want. I know he certainly, like any other receiver, wants to get more touches, but couldn’t be more happy and pleased with where he’s at and what he’s done for our football team right now.”
(On how he would grade himself at the halfway point of the season)
“I think you know me well enough now to know that anytime that you talk about that, it’s about our team. I think we’re pleased with where we’re at. I think anytime that you go into games, the goal is to try to win football games. But I think what we are pleased with is that the guys are bought into some of those things that we talk about with the process, with that weekly approach. Everybody brings up the culture and things like that and what we really feel like our culture is, is how we do things around here. I think you guys can see the types of people – the types of players we have in that locker room. We’re starting to do things the right way consistently because of them and because of the way that they carry the torch when we’re not around as a coaching staff and different things like that. You’ve got great leaders that you continue to empower. They believe in each other, they continue to connect and we’re a mentally tough team right now. That’s what we’re very pleased with is that we’ve seen some adversity. I think when you look back, these seasons are all journeys and we’ve had eight games on this journey so far. A lot of great experiences to draw on and then some ones that we’d like to forget, or get an opportunity to learn from. I think both the Washington and the Seattle games have provided an excellent opportunity for us to respond from that adversity. Certainly, it’s not perfect. You look at some of the things with the game management just for me individually. I can continue to improve and that’s just getting a better overall feel for the dynamic of that. A simple example, even yesterday with the two-minute, just managing, ‘Alright, do you take a knee there to try to run out the clock?’ And things like that. That was something that I could’ve done a better job of on having some foresight on exactly the time that’s going to be runoff and how you handle that in the right way. So, I think every game provides a great opportunity to learn from. We are 6-2 right now, where we’ve got a chance to achieve some goals, but right now it’s about seeing if we can get to 7-2 and I’m just pleased to be a part of it with this team – with this coaching staff and certainly feel very fortunate to have the guys around me that are in this position.”
(On if he ever converted a third-and-33)
“I don’t think so. The last time we were in a third-and-33. I think was in the Dallas game when we had the long snap over our head in the first preseason game and (QB) Sean Mannion…I think it was around our third-and-40 so that might be the longest one I’ve ever been a part of in terms of a team. But, it was a great job. You look at Robert (Woods), everybody wants to talk about him as a possession receiver. That’s where you could see his 200-meter-speed as he was able to cut across the grain and finish. That was a strong finish by Robert. (T Andrew) Whitworth and (G Rodger) Saffold get out front and make big-time blocks at the point of attack and then on the back side like we mentioned with Sammy. So, with things like that, that was a big spark for our team and then you watch the way that those guys got so excited for each other. The celebration and how fired up Todd was for them and then even Jared coming in there late and then tripping late. I don’t know if you guys saw that on the celebration, but those guys were having fun and those are always the fun things to see as a coach.”
(On if there is anything that he can do to prepare for conditions like the ones in New Jersey on Sundayhere in Southern California)
“The thing that you really would do is explore it – playing with a wet ball. Done that before, it was something that we had talked about. Jared seemed like he handled it really well yesterday, but I think that’s more about asking your players what their feel is and especially the quarterback and the center, just because of the way that their controlling the ball every single snap. But you’ve definitely always got to have kind of a wet-ball plan and understand how that changes and dictates some of the things that you may or may not do, because of the handling of the ball and how things you can kind of set yourself at risk. To be honest that play to Tavon that we ran, I wanted to run that on the first play right when we got down in the redzone after Todd broke that long run. But it was still a little bit misty at that point and you were just a little bit reluctant to call that at the time. Let him get in the flow of the game and then also get comfortable handling that wet ball. So, it definitely does affect your decision making but I thought the players handled it really well yesterday.”
(On TE Gerald Everett’s versatility)
“He’s a great athlete. When you have great athletes like that and he’s continuing to learn how to play the position. You look at all the success that he had in college, but he wasn’t often lined up in that kind of true tradition tight end alignment where you’re attached to the line of scrimmage. But, he can detach from the core like you mentioned. He makes a big play on the third down yesterday, runs the jet sweep. You look at what he did in Jacksonville a couple weeks ago on the shovel pass. So, he’s a guy that we’ll continue to try to move around and find ways to get the ball in his hands. And then he’s also going to continue to grow as a tight end. Playing in-line, contributing in the run game, whether that be a movable piece kind of as a lead blocker, as that H-back or even just playing in-line. But, he’s got a bright future. He’s a joy to be around and it was good for Gerald to be able to make some of those big plays yesterday.”
(On WR Tavon Austin looking healthier and how much that will impact the offense going forward)
“Tavon is a dynamic weapon without a doubt and he provides a great spark. He’s got such a great energy about himself, even just the way that he bounces around. He kind of brings people with him. You can’t help but get excited and think, ‘Okay, something good is about to happen’ every time he touches the ball just because of how explosive and how quick he is. It was a great run that he had where he’s motioning in the back field and goes for plus-20 and gets us down inside the redzone and inside the 5-yard line. But, he brings a spark to our team and it was exciting watching him compete without the ball. You look at some of the blocks that he made at the end for (RB) Malcolm Brown. You look at the third down conversion he made in the offset gun. That was a great run he made, where he kept the clock moving, kept the ball in our hands. Tavon’s doing a lot of things for us and the game played out a little bit different than maybe we anticipated where there was a couple things that we might’ve done with him. But, he’s a guy that can play receiver, he can play that running back spot and when you have guys like that and then even just talking with (Rams Reporter) Myles (Simmons) the question before about it – Gerald Everett. Those guys that can do a lot of different things, give you some versatility offensively and they’re fun to kind of try to think of ways to get them involved for our coaching staff and get those guys going.”
znModeratorKupp Named to PFF All-Rookie Team
Kristen Lago
Wide receiver Cooper Kupp was one of 11 players named to the Pro Football Focus midseason All-Rookie Team. Through eight games this year, the Eastern Washington product has established himself as the Rams’ primary slot receiver — known for being sure-handed and precise route running.
The All-Rookie team is determined through an all-22 film review process and comprehensive analysis on first-year players throughout the NFL. Kupp was given an overall grade of 76.0 and was one of two rookie wide receivers on the list.
The mid-season PFF NFL All-Rookie Team offense by @PFF_NateJahnke
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— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) November 8, 2017
From Week 1, Kupp has been one of Los Angeles’ most significant offensive contributors — at least seeing 30 per game. In all, the wideout has recorded 26 receptions for 370 yards and three touchdowns, but his biggest impact has come after the catch.
Kupp’s 151 yards after the catch is the second best for rookie wide receivers, and he leads the league having forced seven missed tackles.
znModeratorthe draft equals offensive line for sure but also cornerback edge rusher/linebacker and Defensive line….people focus on offense but the truth is this team is just short of having an elite defense too
znModeratorThinking about the McVay-Goff dynamic prompted Demoff to consider other successful coaches and quarterbacks who ascended together: Sean Payton and Drew Brees, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger, Bill Walsh and Joe Montana.
He feels that good about his.
“Those pairings have been what have created those great, long runs of success,” Demoff said. “And I think you start to see that this year.”
znModeratorSean McVay | Los Angeles Rams (6-2)
What he has done right: Well, everything. But the main thing is McVay, who also calls the offensive plays, took an offense that was last in the NFL in yards each of the past two seasons and turned it into what appears to be, well, a juggernaut. Jared Goff (2,030 yards, 13 TDs, 4 INTs) suddenly looks legitimate as a second-year quarterback, Todd Gurley (686 yards, 7 TDs) is an elite running back once again, and the offensive linemen and wide receivers are clicking in ways they haven’t in a long time.
What he needs to do better: We’d be splitting hairs here, but let’s give it a shot. McVay has been burning a lot of early timeouts, but special teams coordinator John Fassel, who assists him on game day, will tell you he has been using them to get out of bad plays. So that’s fine. McVay also has found himself diagramming the next offensive series while his team is on defense, but that’s intentional because he has so much faith in defensive coordinator Wade Phillips. No problem there, either. So, this section will merely present an opportunity to point out what makes McVay special: He’s a natural leader who came in with a clear message, held players accountable and ultimately changed the culture.
Overall grade: Near perfection. — Alden Gonzalez
znModeratorWhy do you hate the Rams?
It;s the stupid helmet logo.
It doesn’t look anything like a ram.
Looks more like a snake.
znModeratorJared Goff named NFC offensive player of the week
Darin Gantt
Jared Goff named NFC offensive player of the week
Rams quarterback Jared Goff didn’t even need to play the whole game to win a weekly award.
Goff was named NFC offensive player of the week, after he torched the Giants Sunday.
He was 14-of-22 for 311 yards and four touchdowns, making it easy to let Sean Mannion finish up the third quarter of a 51-17 rout.
Goff has progressed in a number of areas this year, but his ability to make big plays downfield (touchdowns of 52 and 67 yards scattered in there) is among the top of the list of things for Rams fans to be encouraged about.
The fact he doesn’t have to finish such games is another, though they won’t get to play the Giants every week.
znModeratorMy own feeling is that the Rams are good, but not as good as you might think if you based it on the Giants game.
In the Giants game, they were coming off a bye and going against a crippled team whose defense was tanking emotionally.
They were not a challenge. Neither was Arizona.
My measure of the team is this–it;s the team that played Seattle. Subtract the turnovers and you do have a good team, one that can compete for the division. But also a young one that has the potential to hit speed bumps (like it did with the turnovers against Seattle).
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znModeratorfootball outsiders rankings
wow. just. wow.
in overall team efficiency, the rams are now ranked first overall. yeah. first. i know that doesn’t mean anything real. but still. wow.
on offense they’re ranked ninth.
on defense they’re ranked third.
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LMU93 wrote:
Football Outsiders Week 9 DVOA Rankings: a new
I don’t think the Rams are the best team in the league. But at this point it’s pretty apparent they’re one of the top 7-8. Even accounting for having 4 wins vs. bottom 6 teams in the league (winning those by 26 ppg) they’re playing very well.
I look more at the individual unit and player rankings on Football Outsiders than the overall rankings. But still, the further a season goes along the more accurate their rankings tend to get.
Los Angeles Rams
Overall Rank: 1st
Offense: 9th
Defense: 3rd
Special Teams: 1stPassing offense: 2nd
Rushing offense: 15thPass Defense: 3rd
Run Defense: 20thSpecial Teams
FG/XP: 1st
Kick coverage: t-16th
Kick return: 1st
Punt coverage: 9th
Punt return: 27thOffensive Line
Run blocking: 5th
Pass protection: 2ndDefensive Line
Run defense: 15th
Pass rush: 6thPlayer Rankings
QB Jared Goff: 5th among 33 ranked QBs
RB Todd Gurley: 16th among 32 ranked RBs rushing; 7th among 42 RBs receiving
WR Robert Woods: 19th among 69 ranked WRs
WR Cooper Kupp: 20th among 69 ranked WRs
WR Sammy Watkins- DNQ (less than 36 targets)
WR Tavon Austin: 2nd among 22 ranked WRs rushing
TE Tyler Higbee; 37th among 40 ranked TEs
TE Gerald Everett: DNQ (less than 18 targets)
znModeratorI like the point about crowd mentality. I find that very interesting. I have a book on my Kindle right now called, “The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind” by Gustav Le Bon. I’ve been back and forth with it but it’s fantastic.
PA I don’t usually jump in this way about someone’s reading, but, Le Bon established a certain way of looking at crowds that is now considered controversial.
Here’s an example of that.
Donald Trump and the Myth of Mobocracy
How the dubious ideas of a 19th-century Frenchman reverberate in 2016ROBERT ZARETSKY
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/trump-le-bon-mob/493118/
Terrorist bombs shattering lives and buildings. Waves of immigrants stirring popular fears and anxieties. Corruption and scandal staining the reputation of politicians. Commerce and industry convulsing amid dizzying and divisive change. Ambitious men with no political experience casting themselves as providential leaders. The sense—elusive but real—that the people are morphing into the crowd, democracy mutating into mobocracy.
These trends would seem to characterize the current political season. Particularly striking have been the images of crowds at the Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign stops and at last week’s Republican National Convention in Cleveland, where he nurtured and indulged a nightmare vision of an America overrun by immigrants and terrorized by the murderous Other. Time and again, a strong leader who praises acts of violence and scorns the rule of law has galvanized the crowds. “I am your voice,” Trump announced in Cleveland—a voice, it seems, that can meld the many into one, and people into a mob.
These same trends, however, also lead back to late 19th-century France. In fact, the “crowd”—the concept, more so than the reality—was born in fin-de-siècle Paris. Fittingly, 2016 marks the 175th anniversary of the birth of Gustave Le Bon, the French polymath who popularized this durable and dire idea. A prolific author, Le Bon is now known for authoring The Psychology of Crowds, a best-selling book whose quiet influence stretches to the present day. It is a work that, partly because it got so much wrong about the nature of crowds, reveals much about the age of Le Donald, no less than the age of Le Bon. In both cases, it appears, the fascination and fear of crowds obscures their reality and reach.
Published in 1895, The Psychology of Crowds captured the temper of the times. It was, Le Bon declared, “the age of the crowd.” With the growing density of urban life, the establishment of universal male suffrage, and the rise of the labor movement, pundits, politicians, academics, and dilettantes all turned their attention to “la foule,” or the crowd. Trained as a doctor, Le Bon identified what he claimed were the sources of this phenomenon: the millions of Frenchmen and -women who, caught up and spat out by the great churn of industrialization and urbanization, had been torn from their rural hierarchies, traditions, and values. Drawn to cities, they became the stuff of the “crowd”: a mass allegedly shaped by simple ideas, generally ones that conjured the specter of global conspiracies (usually involving Jews), the sway of an economic elite (France’s infamous “200 families” were the parallel to America’s own “1 percent”), and the threat of unchecked immigration (Italians and Poles, rather than Algerians and Tunisians), all indulged by the popular media. These ideas, he drily observed, circulate inside crowds just as microbes do inside a human body, infecting all within their reach. Against this new strain of microbes, the tools of reason and analysis offer only the flimsiest of defenses, Le Bon wrote.
The consequences of this contagion, as Le Bon described it, are catastrophic—something like a French remake of Max Brooks’s World War Z. If not quite the walking dead, the infected individuals in Le Bon’s schema are reduced to beasts. “By the mere fact that he forms part of an organized crowd,” Le Bon warned, “a man descends several rungs in the ladder of civilization. Isolated, he may be a cultivated individual; in a crowd, he is a barbarian—that is, a creature acting by instinct.” Unlike the freelancing zombies in World War Z, though, these particular creatures require a leader, a charismatic figure who, adept at modern public relations, seeks primitive ends: to win power for the sake of power—or, more prosaically, to maintain an elite of winners over the mass of losers.
However, as Le Bon observed, this goal is lost on his followers, who are consumed by a near-religious fervor. As with the fiercest religious sect, so too with the modern crowd: Its commonly held convictions “assume the characteristics of blind submission, fierce intolerance, and the need of violent propaganda,” Le Bon wrote. The crowd’s leader is “acclaimed as a veritable god,” holding sway over its imagination by “devising new formulas as devoid as possible of precise meaning,” thus taking on whatever meaning the follower invents. At the same time, this leader destroys his rivals with claims devoid of substance: “By dint of affirmation, repetition, and contagion” the crowd’s leader affirms that his opponent is “an arrant scoundrel, and that it is a matter of common knowledge that he has been guilty of several crimes.” Almost as an afterthought, Le Bon concluded: “It is, of course, useless to trouble about any semblance of proof.”
To his bourgeois readership, Le Bon seemed to offer a diagnosis, dispassionate and distanced, of the troubled state of France’s social and political health. This was a nation that had recently been wracked by a series of crises, beginning with the collapse of the major banks and stock market in 1882, stretching through the rise of nationalist, anti-Semitic, and anti-republican movements like the Boulanger Affair of the late 1880s. This was quickly followed by political conflagrations like the “Panama scandals” of 1892 and a rash of anarchist bombings and assassinations through the early 1890s, all of which were eclipsed by the Dreyfus Affair. Whether it was the tens of thousands who flocked to Georges Boulanger, a charismatic general who seemed on the verge of overthrowing the Republic, or the thousands howling for the death of “the Jew Dreyfus” during his public court martial, the age certainly appeared, as Le Bon declared, to belong to the crowd.
For those who have followed Le Donald’s rise to power, the crowd again seems to be rearing its massive head. It is the crowd, it appears, that swells Trump’s campaign events where the candidate praises the torture of terrorism suspects and justifies the violence of aides and followers. It is the crowd, one might believe, that shouts as he brands his political opponents as criminals, and promises to deport entire ethnic groups and deny entry to religious groups because of the alleged danger they present to the republic. It is the crowd, so it seems, that encourages Chris Christie’s call and answer to lock up Hillary Clinton and cheers Ben Carson’s suggestion that Clinton is a Lucifer’s apprentice. It is the crowd—this late-19th-century creature theorized by Le Bon, then ridden by the likes of Mussolini and Hitler (both of whom read the Frenchman’s work)—that Trump has apparently resurrected.
But here’s the rub: “le crowd” is, in part, a mythical creature. As contemporary sociologists and psychologists like Stephen Reicher, a professor of psychology at the University of St. Andrews, argue, the crowd is less a feature of the modern political landscape than a creature of Le Bon’s private nightscape. Rather than surrendering their identity or losing themselves in the crowd, as Le Bon argued, individuals who join the group instead embrace a collective identity, one usually hedged by limits and informed by rules. In his work on riots in 18th-century England, the historian E.P. Thompson revealed how these so-called mobs were, in fact, governed by what he called a “moral economy.” Similarly, in his landmark work on crowds in the French Revolution, the historian George Rudé showed how the “mob” that took the Bastille was not bestial and base, but instead shaped by the actions of literate artisans.
There is no social alchemy that creates a single or collective “mind,” but instead an aggregate of individuals. Nor is it, as Reicher argues, that crowds are entities that exist outside of a specific social context. They are, instead, responses to specific events and shaped (and limited) by the various concerns of those who form a crowd. There is no social alchemy that creates a single or collective “mind,” but instead an aggregate of individuals who, to widely varying degrees, follow or ignore the leaders.
Consider the RNC. Even when its crowd reached its zenith of “crowdiness” during Chris Christie’s effort to cast them as the jury in his mock trial of Clinton, there were undoubtedly significant numbers of delegates who were taking selfies, texting friends, pricing souvenirs, chatting with friends, staring off into space, or perhaps even recoiling at the events unfolding before them. At their darkest, crowds can evoke the depiction of German rallies in Nazi propaganda films like Triumph of the Will. But there are also gorgeous crowds like the one depicted in Paolo Veronese’s painting “Wedding at Cana”—a crowd of individuals that, taken up by their personal concerns and activities, are mostly and gloriously indifferent to Christ’s turning of water into wine.
Despite the correctives offered by social scientists, however, Le Bon’s vision remains very powerful. In part, this is because at times it does reveal telling traits to both crowds and those who seek to lead them. Yet, Le Bon’s vision also persists because it reveals truths about our own fears and resistances. Those of us who identify with America’s humane and liberal traditions are rightly horrified by Trump’s racist, violent worldview. But, ironically, Democrats risk committing the very same error that Trump has made his stock in trade: seeing his supporters in terms of abstractions, not particulars; groups, not individuals. When they see Trump’s supporters as a crowd, Trump’s opponents relieve themselves of the task of seeing them as men and women driven by an array of motives. The challenge is to defeat not just Trump, but the all-too-human tendency to turn the world into us versus them.
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znModeratorThat’s kind of a Pat Shumer call, isn’t it?
It is.
Shurmur is actually doing pretty well for himself. Right now he’s the coordinator in Minnesota. They were able to field the league’s 11th ranked offense with Keenum starting the last 6 games (they’ve gone 5-1 with Keenum).
znModeratorKurt Warner on Rams’ Contender Status
NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner talks about whether the Los Angeles Rams are Super Bowl contenders.
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znModeratorRams Power Rankings: Week 10
Kristen Lago
In Week 9, the Rams trounced the Giants putting up 51 points and forcing three first half takeaways to improve to 6-2. With the win, Los Angeles remains undefeated in games played away from the Coliseum. But after three-straight on the road, L.A. will be back home for a Week 10 matchup with the Texans on Sunday.
Every week, TheRams.com will be taking an aggregate look at where the team ranks in different outlets across the sports media landscape. Here are the power rankings for the Rams heading into Week 10:
NFL.com, Elliot Harrison Rank: 2
Last Week: 2
Change: –
“Nothing like a slot receiver screen on third-and-33, huh? The most gnarly feedback received on Twitter and the “NFL Power Rankings” show this past week came as a result of the Rams being second in last week’s rankings. When a team is off for a week, like Los Angeles was in Week 8, and everyone around that team wins, fans want me to drop said team automatically. Cool. So that was 51 points on the road for a team that “ruined” my credibility here. Think there’s more upside, too, specifically for coordinator Wade Phillips’ defense as we enter the back half of the season. This group is going to the playoffs.”
ESPN.com Rank: 7
Last Week: 8
Change: + 1
“Preseason ranking: 27. The biggest risers since the preseason edition of our rankings are the Rams, who lead the NFL in scoring with 32.9 points per game. How good has the offense been? They’ve scored 40 points three times this season. The last time the Rams did that in a season was in 2001, when they reached Super Bowl XXXVI.”
Yahoo! Shutdown Corner Rank: 5
Last Week: 7
Change: + 2
“The Rams are for real. Say whatever you will about the Giants, but it’s hard to go on the road and beat any NFL team 51-17. Lost in the gushing over Jared Goff, which is justified, the Rams’ defense has allowed 16, 17, 0 and 17 points the last four games. You knew Wade Phillips would get that unit going.”
The Washington Post Rank: 4
Last Week: 5
Change: + 1
“The Rams are back in the driver’s seat in the NFC West. The Seahawks say they aren’t ready to step aside for the Rams. But the Rams might not be giving them any choice.”
USA Today Rank: 4
Last Week: 6
Change: + 2
“They’re just blowing doors off their opponents lately. Some credit must go to the defense, which has allowed 12.5 points per game over last four.”
CBS Sports, Pete Prisco Rank: 4
Last Week: 5
Change: + 1
“They are not just a good story anymore. They are legitimate playoff contenders — and maybe more.”
Sports Illustrated Rank: 6
Last Week: 8
Change: + 2
Pro Football Talk, Mike Florio Rank: 4
Last Week: 8
Change: + 4
THIS WEEK’S OPPONENT’S RANKS — THE HOUSTON TEXANS
NFL.com — 25
ESPN.com — 24
Yahoo! Shutdown Corner — 28
Pro Football Talk — 24
The Washington Post — 24
USA Today — 27
CBS Sports — 27
Bleacher Report — 24
Sports Illustrated — 24
znModeratorAll 22: Robert Woods Speeds by Giants for First TD
On 3rd and 33, Robert Woods showed his speed to turn a screen pass into a 52-yard touchdown, his first of the season. Join Myles Simmons in the studio to see how the Rams executed the play.
znModeratorAaron Donald Earns PFF Midseason Honor
Kristen Lago
Defensive tackle Aaron Donald was named the top interior defender by Pro Football Focus at the season’s midway point. Through eight games no defensive player has more quarterback pressures than Donald’s 44 — an impressive feat considering the Pittsburgh product missed the Rams’ first game of the season.
Every week, PFF puts together a list of the league’s top performers in all three phases, but with half of the NFL season in the books, the site decided to put together an “All-Pro Team.” The team is determined through an all-22 film review process, with play-by-play grading of every player on every team in the league.
Donald, with an overall grade of 96.1, had the highest score given to any player at any position. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady had the second-highest score at 92.7.
Overall this season, the Donald has a top-10 run defense grade among all interior defenders. He has also shown his versatility on the line with an unmatched ability to shed blocks and quickly penetrate the line of scrimmage. Through seven games, he has recorded 27 total tackles —eight for loss — 4.0 sacks, 13 quarterback hits, and two forced fumbles, making him one of the most dynamic players in the game.
znModeratorRams, eyeing a playoff run, are surprise story of NFL season
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-20171106-story.html
The Rams, by any measure, reached the midpoint of the NFL season ahead of schedule.
They are 6-2 and in first place in the NFC West under first-year coach Sean McVay. They lead the NFL in scoring with ascending quarterback Jared Goff and rank ninth in scoring defense with a unit led by relentless lineman Aaron Donald.
And they are positioned to make a run for their first playoff appearance since 2004.
“We’ve got a connected team right now,” McVay said Monday during a news conference in Thousand Oaks.
Now the question: Can the Rams sustain this over the final eight games?
“You don’t want to get too ahead of yourself because this is long season,” veteran linebacker Robert Quinn said after Sunday’s 51-17 victory over the New York Giants. “There’s a lot of great teams out there, great players, and all it takes is one week and the snowball effect, and it can get ugly pretty fast.”
The Rams have plenty of experience with unsightly finishes.
Last season, they started 3-1 under former coach Jeff Fisher and then nosedived to a 4-12 finish.
An upgraded roster that includes dominating left tackle Andrew Whitworth and receivers Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins — and a culture change instituted by McVay and defensive coordinator Wade Phillips — makes a similar downward spiral improbable.
NFL juggles TV lineup so Rams and Chargers won’t clash in L.A.Instead, starting with Sunday’s game against the Houston Texans, the Rams will be focused on maintaining the momentum that has made them the surprise story of the NFL.
“Our team’s got a lot of confidence right now,” McVay said, “but we know that it’s a week-to-week business.”
In their last two victories — routs of the Arizona Cardinals and Giants — the Rams played complete games, performing well on offense, defense and special teams.
“We’ve been clicking on all three cylinders,” safety Lamarcus Joyner said.
And yet….
“There’s a handful of plays in all three phases that we feel like we could have made,” McVay said.
McVay pointed to his evolving game management skills as one area that can be improved.
But the Rams are doing most things well.
They are averaging 32.9 points a game. Goff is coming of a career-best four-touchdown performance against the Giants, running back Todd Gurley has scored a league-high 10 touchdowns.
Kicker Greg Zuerlein has made all but one of his 25 field-goal attempts and is the league’s leading scorer.
The point production is a welcome change for veteran defensive players, who had grown accustomed to shouldering the burden of playing with the league’s least productive offense.
New faces start to pay dividends with new teams“This is my first time being on a team like that, where the offense is doing what they want, literally,” sixth-year cornerback Trumaine Johnson said. “And it’s not just one game…. It’s really nice to see.”
The defense has played well since the second half of a Week 4 victory at Dallas.
The Rams forced two turnovers in a 33-0 victory over Arizona, three more against the Giants.
Quinn said those results are expected when playing in Phillips’ 3-4 defense.
“As a player, it’s simple but complicated,” he said of the scheme, “Or complicated but simple. Because there’s so many different looks we can give that can cause an offense trouble.”
The Rams are looking forward to playing the Texans at the Coliseum, their first home game since losing to the Seattle Seahawks on Oct. 8.
They also have remaining home games against the New Orleans Saints, Philadelphia Eagles and San Francisco 49ers.
The Rams, 5-0 away from the Coliseum, have remaining road games against the Minnesota Vikings, Cardinals, Seahawks and Tennessee Titans.
Linebacker Connor Barwin, who played for playoff teams in Houston and Philadelphia, said the Rams must continue getting better to sustain their fast start.
What we learned in the Rams’ 51-17 victory over the New York Giants“The teams that win in the playoffs,” Barwin said, “are the teams that improve throughout the season.
“Whether you’re 6-2 or 4-4, the key is to improve every single week, and that’s what our goal needs to be.”
So far, Rams players have bought in. Barwin said the entire roster is pulling in the same direction with no individual selfishness.
“That’s, again, something you have to sustain through the whole season,” he said. “And that’s another challenge in itself when you start to have success.
“So those are things we’ll have to deal with that this team hasn’t had to deal with in the past.”
Etc.
The Rams waived receiver Bradley Marquez from injured reserve…. The Rams, off Tuesday, resume practice Wednesday.
znModerator.@RamsNFL finish the first half of the season 4-0 on the road; averaging 39 points/ game. Who thinks coaching makes a difference?
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
.@RamsNFL @TG3II goes for 36 on the first play. It is the "Velcro Defense" so sad to see big blue put this on tape #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/xzhkSsa7w2
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
.@RamsNFL took all of 4 plays to score v @Giants Sunday. They have given up 22 TD's this season; gave up 25 in all of '16 #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/bRf9kwxHSk
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
znModerator.@RamsNFL have the #1 offense in the NFL and it's just refreshing to watch it develop from week 2 week. McVay can teach and he can coach#BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/YbhMAEKTww
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
.@RamsNFL @JaredGoff16 gets better each week. QB's can be saved with the right coach. Do we need better QB's or better coaching? #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/LgKwRfA88w
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
znModerator.@RamsNFL if it's a football version of "SHOWTIME" then McVay is Pat Riley. I see the Colisseum sold out coming soon #BaldyBreakdowns
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
.@RamsNFL on 3-33 they have a plan and a play. Hard not to like the Rams, and fun to watch. Does the City of Angels know what they have ? #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/GmrrtItUGR
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
.@RamsNFL @JaredGoff16 travels 3000 miles to play @giants and in a monsoon rain averages 14.5 yards/att, 4 TD's, highest QB rating ever and got hit 2X the whole day #BaldyBreakdowns
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
znModerator.@RamsNFL @Tayaustin01 has a role with the Rams and expect more ways to create plYs for him #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/B98km1s47u
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
.@Giants every team has a bad day, and even bad seasons. But this is one of the worst days I have seen for a proud franchise. Can't sugarcoat this loss #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/JOnXPKY497
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
.@giants should apologize to their faithful fans for this effort. I didn't want to seem like I was piling on but you can't run nor hide from this effort. There is a 2nd half of the season to play #BaldyBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/naBcMNZq8s
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 8, 2017
znModeratorVincent Bonsignore @DailyNewsVinny
The #Rams are converting skeptics into believersLet you in on a little secret about the #Rams: They’re getting better.
Robert Woods told me offensive players sometimes laugh/smile when McVay puts a new play in, knowing it’ll work/produce yards and points
Zero doubt in my mind #Rams can compete/beat anyone in the #NFL. This is a good – across the board – team and very, very well coached
Mike Cahill @FB_Cahill
Who else thinks the #LARams and #Eagles are going to be the NFC version of Colts/Patriots of yesteryear?Joe Curley @vcsjoecurley
McVay credits coach Bones for the rise of Cory Littleton as a special teams playmaker.Jordan Raanan@JordanRaanan
The #Giants did not record a single hit on Jared Goff, according to @PFF. Wow. Just wow. No wonder Goff had a 146.8 QB rating.Randall Liu @RLiuNFL
Today is the 1st time QBs selected 1 & 2 overall in the same @NFL Draft each threw 4+ TD passes on the same day: @JaredGoff16 & @cj_wentzJulia Faron @JFaron
Today is the 5th game this season that the Rams scored 30+ pts and 3rd time that they have surpassed 40 total points scored.Rams Rookie TE G. Everett is currently the only TE in the NFL with two 40-plus yard receptions this season (vs NYG – 44 yd, vs WAS – 69 yd).
Rich Hammond @Rich_Hammond
This is the stuff you didn’t see [from Gurley] last year. Vision, good decisions and execution in run game all around.Will Brinson@WillBrinson
Best 3rd down conversion % in NFL through Week 9:1. Rams (49.1)
2. Eagles (46.8)
3. Patriots (45.9)
4. Cowboys (45.5)
5. Panthers (43.4)Ryan Kartje@Ryan_Kartje
Last season, the Rams converted just 31.5 percent of third downs, worst in the NFL. They’ve improved by 17.6 percent. That’s insane.The NFL Coach of the Year race is going to be really interesting over these last eight weeks. McVay and Pederson face off in Week 14.
McVay’s use of Tavon all season has been a perfect example of how his O is constantly evolving. So many folds to his motion/jet sweep plays
Sam Monson@PFF_Sam
Andrew Whitworth just had his 4th game of the season allowing zero pressures.Mike DiGiovanna@MikeDiGiovanna
Aaron Donald and #Rams wrecking crew of a defense created three turnovers that led to 17 points in win over #Giants.
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Matt Waldman’s Week 10 film notebookMatt Waldman
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=waldmantop10wk10
While it’s true that Goff has had easy throws thanks to the Sean McVay offense, he has also displayed accuracy with the occasional difficult ones. I wouldn’t classify this deep post as a throw at the top of the “difficult” category, but Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston, Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, and several other starters can’t make these vertical plays with anywhere near the consistency of Goff.
That said, this is not the beginning of a fantasy bonanza for Watkins. Don’t count on Watkins emerging as an every-week big-play option this year because Goff is a rhythm passer who follows his progressions and rarely forces the ball.
Despite the overstated Cris Collinsworth analysis about him occasionally retreating from pressure, Goff’s pocket presence is among the best of the young prospects I’ve seen during the past three seasons. He waits until the last second to avoid pressure, which earns him greater separation than what he’d otherwise get if he tried to outrun them when they still had time to change direction.
As a result, Goff buys time well, but he’s not going to create an extra 4-6 seconds like Wentz, Russell Wilson. or Dak Prescott, who can use that skill to deliver targets behind the secondary. It means that Goff is more of a slave to the progression and traditional scramble rules, which will benefit underneath receivers like Woods and Cooper Kupp (at least until the Rams potentially expand Watkins’ role next year).
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from Week 9 Quick Reads
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2017/week-9-quick-reads
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The jump Jared Goff has made in his second season is like nothing we have ever seen before. We put Goff’s improvement in historical context, and determine what it might mean for his future.
One year ago at this time, Jared Goff was the backup quarterback behind Case Keenum on a Los Angeles Rams team that had just lost its fourth consecutive game, on its way to a tenth straight losing season. With the 2016 season lost, Keenum was soon sent to the bench and the Rams promoted Goff, the player they had traded six draft picks to acquire in that year’s draft. What followed were seven of the worst starts by a quarterback we’ve seen in a long, long time. Including sacks, Goff averaged 3.75 yards per pass play, the worst by any quarterback with at least 200 passes since Akili Smith in 2000 — and he did this in an era when passing statistics are going through the roof. By almost any measure, Goff was the worst quarterback in the league last year. Out of the top 32 qualifying passers that season, Goff was 28th in interception rate, 31st in completion rate, and dead last in sack rate, touchdown rate, yards per pass, and adjusted net yards per pass. And of course, he finished with a DVOA of -74.8%, the worst we have ever measured for any player with at least 200 passes.
Oh, what a difference a year makes. Goff leads the league in yards per pass, and can be found in the top ten of most other passing stats as well. He’s also fourth in DVOA at 24.0% heading into Monday Night Football. Goff hasn’t quite gone from worst to first among quarterbacks in one season, but he has absolutely gone from “perhaps the worst quarterback we have ever seen” to “one of the better starters in the league.”
It should go without saying that we have never seen this kind of year-to-year improvement in a quarterback before. The difference between Goff’s DVOA this year and last year is 98.8%. To say this is the biggest year-to-year jump on record would be a grotesque understatement. Consider this: before this season, the biggest jump in DVOA from one season to the next we had ever recorded belonged to Nick Foles, whose DVOA went from -20.4% in 2012 to 35.6% in 2013. That’s a difference of 56.0% — barely half of the improvement Goff has shown this year. Foles is in second place in this table, but he is closer to 144th place than he is to first.
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10. This week in tales of the tape: The Rams’ all-too-easy touchdown to Sammy Watkins.
SIXTY. SEVEN. YARDS.@JaredGoff16 finds @sammywatkins for 6️⃣! pic.twitter.com/8nppBn2Rz0
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) November 5, 2017
By threatening to go outside with just a single step, Watkins is able to instead run past Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie before blowing right by safety Landon Collins—whose eyes were on the play fake—up the middle of the field for the score. Jared Goff checked to this play before the snap based on the coverage he anticipated from the way the Giants lined up, and the hard play fake and altered launch point outside the pocket left Watkins wide open.
November 7, 2017 at 12:34 am in reply to: Rams Blowout Giants 51-17 feat. Joe Curley From: Downtown Rams – Podcast #77043
znModeratorWhat about New Orleans and Minnesota? My son says Minnesota has played a soft schedule, and we know they are helmed by Case Keenum.
I agree on both the Saints and the Vikings. Drew Brees is still going strong, Alvin Kamara looks unstoppable and their defense seems reborn. The Vikings continue to win even with Keenum starting because their defense is elite. If either Bradford or Bridgewater can return and stay healthy I would think that they can make a big run.
Keenum went 7-7 with the Rams, but he did better overall when they had a running game (0.8% Ints in 2016, 3.4% in 2016). The Vikings have a running game. With a running game he can be the hobbit who surprises you (1.3% Ints). The defense helps too. So with him at qb they’re 11th in total offense and 13th in points. But you’re right, they would be a top contender with a starting caliber qb.
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