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  • in reply to: Bradford to Eagles, Foles to Rams #19790
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    Well i’m stunned. This
    is kinda hard to believe.

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    AP in AZ? Ugh.

    Ugh is right.

    They’d have to face Lynch twice,
    and AP twice?
    O my.

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    I’d simply add, however, that they also have no OL. They need a QB (or 2) AND they need at least 3 solid OL likely to stay healthy. (If they re-sign Barksdale, it will be 2.)

    They have major challenges this off season. That’s what happens when you rebuild your roster but your quality QB is a bust due to injury and you largely fail in rebuilding the OL.

    I dont know anything about Foles. Seems like
    another version of S.Hill to me, but, I dunno.

    The QB question is just gonna be a bit of a crap-shoot.
    It just is. Its the nature of the position.

    But the OLine can be fixed.
    So…I expect them to fix it.

    And after its fixed, I expect
    a winning season even if Trent Dilfer
    is taking snaps.

    Let Bradford have his shot,
    sign a Vet, draft a Rookie…
    but add three or four solid
    BEASTS to the Oline.

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    in reply to: How many linemen has Bradford worked with? #19766
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    Winnbrad wrote:

    – X – wrote:

    Winnbrad wrote:
    30 receivers, 23 o-lineman. That’s depressing. And that vid is from the 2013 season, right?

    No. Week 7 of 2012.
    Awesome set-up he had for that game. Steve Smith, Austin Pettis, Brandon Gibson and Chris Givens as his receivers. Only Givens remains, and probably not for long. The only lineman still on the team from that game is Barksdale; and again, probably not for long.

    2012. That’s even more depressing. He’s probably had 40 WRs and 30 o-lineman by now.

    I’m hesitant to depress you any further, but…

    Craig Dahl was our starting strong safety for that game too.

    I bin havin problems with the inter-nets,
    but the phone company reattached the wires
    to my house so I am once again able to
    type words and send them into space.

    Good to see you on the board X.

    The universe keeps unfolding,
    apparently.

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    “Every man has within himself the entire human condition”
    ― Michel de Montaigne

    in reply to: Bears trade Brandon Marshall to Jets #19572
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    Also, Bears sign Clausen.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/transactions/nfl/all/today/
    Bears re-signed QB Jimmy Clausen.
    Clausen appeared in four games for the Bears last season, making one start in Week 16 after then-coach Marc Trestman benched Jay Cutler. Clausen ended up suffering a concussion and was forced to miss Week 17. The former second-round pick completed 26-of-48 passes for 223 yards (4.6 YPA), two touchdowns, and one interception. He’ll compete for the backup job.
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    Jets acquired WR Brandon Marshall from the Bears in exchange for a fifth-round pick.
    This should effectively end Percy Harvin’s time with the Jets, as well. The Jets will take on Marshall’s $9.575 million cap hit and rid themselves of Harvin’s $10.5 million, sliding Marshall in opposite Eric Decker. Marshall now gives the Jets a true No. 1 receiver, allowing Decker to settle back in as a complementary No. 2. It had become increasingly clear over the past 24 hours that Marshall wasn’t coming back to Chicago. New Jets coach Todd Bowles was with Marshall in Miami from 2010-2011. Marshall’s fantasy outlook takes a hit going from Marc Trestman’s offense to Geno Smith, but new OC Chan Gailey has always had a creative mind. He should remain a solid WR2 and see around 100 targets.
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    BC Washington’s Dianna Marie Russini reports free agent Brian Orakpo “will not be back” with the Redskins next season.
    It’s a tough decision, but ultimately the right one. Orakpo seems to get hurt every year and the Redskins drafted his potential successor in Trent Murphy. Orakpo has already been connected to a number of teams, so the Redskins wouldn’t be able to get him back at a discount. Assuming his tenure in Washington is over, Orakpo will finish his Redskins career with 40 sacks across 71 appearances.
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    The Colts announced they will not re-sign free agent Reggie Wayne.
    NFL free agency is not for the feint of heart. Already this week we’ve seen the Pats kick Vince Wilfork to the curb, the Steelers practically beg Troy Polamalu to hang up his cleats and now Wayne, an Indianapolis lifer, is being shown the door. Wayne hasn’t been the same player since his ACL tear and at 36, a return to form seems unlikely. Wayne was only 235 yards away from tying Marvin Harrison for the most receiving yards in team history. Given his age and recent injury struggles, Wayne will probably have to settle for a one-year deal if he decides to play next season.
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    The Dolphins are confident they’ll sign free agent Ndamukong Suh, according to the Miami Herald.
    Suh is expected to command in the neighborhood of six years and $102 million with over $30 million guaranteed. That would make Suh the richest defensive player of all-time, ahead of J.J. Watt. Miami recently released Brian Hartline and Cortland Finnegan to make room for a top-flight free agent. Mike Wallace could be next on the chopping block if the purge continues. The Raiders and Colts have also been linked to Suh, who can begin negotiating with teams Saturday.

    in reply to: Steven Jackson released #19568
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    Tough, tough player. Became
    as classy a leader as Rams have had.

    You know, uniformed fan types bug me.

    If Jackson were so great, why did the Rams just release him this week?

    Hunh? Answer me that.

    The Rams released him because he wouldn’t
    take a pay-raise like Tom Brady did.
    Which just proves that Jackson was
    always a disloyal traitor.

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    in reply to: Steven Jackson released #19564
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    What about the block on the goal-line.
    That was my favorite SJ play.

    Tough, tough player. Became
    as classy a leader as Rams have had.

    Took me a while to warm up to SJ.
    Not easy following Marshall Faulk

    in reply to: Peter King + more: relocation, relocation, relocation #19563
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    “… Under Carey, Goldman Sachs has worked on more than two dozen stadium deals, the company says, amounting to more than $11 billion in financing.
    Carey’s specialty is crafting deals that are lucrative for team owners, often at the expense of taxpayers. What sets him apart, say his clients and critics, is his ability to steer projects through conflicting interests of teams and local government officials. He often does so by using obscure tools available in public finance to help owners get low-interest loans, avoid taxes or tap subsidies….”

    I did not
    need to read this,
    first thing in the Morning.

    Do you have any cute bunny videos?
    Maybe a dog playing with an orangutan?

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    in reply to: Miklasz: Rams still too short of talent #19508
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    Well, lets see how the offseason unfolds, rfl.
    Lets see what they do about the Oline.

    I think i remember some teams that looked
    pretty bad all around, and then they fixed
    their Olines in One Year, and they looked
    like totally different teams. Giants, and
    Arizona come to mind.

    I think ive become the “Old Hacker” of this
    board (wv hacker?)
    But damn, the Oline is the engine. Everything —
    i mean everything starts with the OLine.

    Fixing the Oline gets them to ten and six, i think.

    Then, in year FIVE, maybe they learn how to stop the run 🙂

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    in reply to: Laram on JJ #19506
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    Even if Gaines started, they still need a physical cover corner opposite him.

    That could be. We’ll see on JJ though.

    Well its sure look’in like
    JJ is gonna be Mr Inconsistency.

    But they say he is a hard worker
    and studies a lot of film, so
    maybe he’s studying his own
    weaknesses this offseason.

    If you could go back in time
    and make the decision
    would you draft JJ again ?

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    in reply to: OL fixer-upper…draft? FA? howzatt done? #19502
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    Brian De La Puente would be a nice bargain basement sign. He has always graded well when he started and I was impressed with him in New Orleans.

    I noticed Brian De La Puente too.

    The over 30 guys don’t bother me. This is the kind of year where they can sign a 30+ guy and then draft someone at the same position.

    Yeah, age doesn’t really factor into it for me; i just
    think they need to go nutz on the oline.
    They kinda have the luxury of doing that
    this year. If ya wanna call it that.
    It’ll get’em to ten and six.
    Then in year five they can
    tinker around with WRs
    or LBs or RBs or whatever.

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    Greg Cosell’s analysis: Breaking down the Eagles-Bills trade
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    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-analysis–breaking-down-the-eagles-bills-trade-175905938.html
    The Philadelphia Eagles are a fascinating team this offseason, and their big trade this week makes them even more interesting.

    Let’s assume Eagles coach Chip Kelly wants to draft University of Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota. That’s a reasonable assumption, considering all that has been said about it. What that ultimately means is that if the Eagles have any chance of moving up to draft Mariota, they have to give up draft picks, and likely draft picks from this season. A team positioned high enough in the draft for the Eagles to take Mariota will want to get better right away.

    So if we assume that’s what the Eagles want to do (that’s not to say it’s a guarantee to happen, of course), the Eagles can’t get better through the draft because they’ll have to give away so many picks. So what do the Eagles have to do? They have to cut cap. And they just got rid of about $10 million of cap charges by trading running back LeSean McCoy.

    It’s just my sense – I don’t know it as a fact – that Kelly is far more comfortable with veterans than draft choices anyway. I don’t think he’d mind trading some if he could sign two or three free agents instead. And a free agent like Seattle Seahawks cornerback Byron Maxwell is not going to come cheap.

    So the Eagles’ trade might have been done with an organizational philosophy or a bigger plan in mind. But let’s take a closer look at McCoy, who was traded to the Buffalo Bills.

    I don’t think McCoy ran as well last season as he has in the past, and certainly not as well as he ran in 2013. His numbers reflected that. But I don’t think that he’s at the end of the rope, considering he’ll be just 27 years old. He’s a very, very good back. But he is a certain kind of runner.

    McCoy is a space runner. In 2013, he had a lot of space. All five starters on the Eagles’ offensive line started every game and they were great. McCoy had a lot of room to run. When the Eagles had personnel issues on the line in 2014, McCoy didn’t have that space, and when that happens he tends to bounce runs outside. That’s not necessarily a knock, because McCoy has bounced runs outside and made many phenomenal plays that way. But that’s his style as a runner and if the play isn’t blocked well with initial space and a clear seem, his tendency of bouncing it outside is exacerbated.

    Here’s an example from Week 4 at San Francisco. The line didn’t block it great, and with no clear seam McCoy bounced it outside and was stopped for no gain.

    McCoy isn’t a sustaining runner, in that when there’s 3 yards for him to get he’s not going to fight through traffic and get 6 yards. Again, that’s not a knock on McCoy, it’s just the type of runner he is. I think the Eagles would have an easier time replacing what he does compared to the Seahawks replacing what Marshawn Lynch does or the Cowboys replacing what DeMarco Murray does. Backs who can grind it out and can bring a punishing mentality for 25 or more carries are hard to find. More backs can hit gaps, especially in the Eagles’ offense that is built on spacing and stretching the field. But McCoy is a tremendous back and the Bills will play to McCoy’s strengths. And I really think they made a good move trading for Matt Cassel.

    Cassel is your classic (for lack of a better term) system player. He needs a strong run game, and obviously that will be the foundation of the Bills’ offense. Cassel has always been a good play-action quarterback. He has never had a problem turning his back to the defense and then getting his head around and figuring out the coverage. In some ways, Cassel is no different – and arguably better at times – than Cincinnati’s Andy Dalton. He fits a system, and that’s what the Bills are going to do.

    The Eagles didn’t just get cap space in the trade. I really like linebacker Kiko Alonso, who the Bills will send to Philadelphia. I think he’s a true three-down linebacker. He can play the run and the pass. He’s big, physical, very athletic, can cover in space and he can blitz. So, he can do just about anything you could ask of him. He’s a really good player, even though he’s coming off an ACL surgery. I think the Eagles will have the NFL’s most athletic inside linebacker combination in a 3-4 defense between him and Mychal Kendricks.

    The trade has benefits to both sides. We’ll just have to see how it fits into the Eagles’ bigger plans for this offseason

    in reply to: OL fixer-upper…draft? FA? howzatt done? #19496
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    My problem is most of the centers in free agency are over 30

    Hudson and Wisniewski are the two obvious one’s and they are both around 26 I think.

    I would expect those two to go early and I wouldn’t want to get in a bidding war for them, but I prefer them in that order.

    Brian De La Puente would be a nice bargain basement sign. He has always graded well when he started and I was impressed with him in New Orleans.

    He’s versatile can play center and guard and he’s under 30.

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    in reply to: Draft Success Rate #19495
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    Snead is guy who likes more draft picks. Give him credit for trade downs, good and bad. Nobody gets drafted unless Fisher wants them. Under Fisher, Sneads greatest talent is guessing how the draft will unfold and getting a bonanza of picks for RG3. imo Quick might have been Snead’s guy?

    Well, we disagree about that, but,
    ignoring the ‘credit’ notion,
    what players did the Rams get?
    I keep forgetting.

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    in reply to: Draft Success Rate #19480
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    Snead is guy who likes more draft picks. Give him credit for trade downs, good and bad. Nobody gets drafted unless Fisher wants them. Under Fisher, Sneads greatest talent is guessing how the draft will unfold and getting a bonanza of picks for RG3. imo Quick might have been Snead’s guy?

    Well can we really give Snead any credit
    for “the bonanza of picks” for the RGme trade?
    I mean, i think any sane GM would have been
    able to do as well.

    He didnt screw it up == thats about all
    i can say about the RG3 thing.
    The Cleveland deal might have been
    better, but who knows, btw.

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    in reply to: Draft Success Rate #19476
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    Well its a great topic. Most of us
    have no idea what the ‘standard’ should
    be for calling a draft “average”
    or “good” or whatever.

    As that guy emphasizes its a really
    tricky subject.

    If a team makes an All-pro-pick like Robert Quinn
    does that balance out the draft if they pick a bunch
    of busts after that? Does an Andrew Luck type pick
    make the whole draft? How can we even compare getting
    a “good starter” to getting a guy like Peyton Manning?
    And what does it mean, that a team “figured out” that
    Luck was the right pick, but couldnt do anything
    in those tricky later Rounds?
    And then there’s injuries — what if a guy was a
    great pick but he got injured in his fourth game
    and is out of the league now? And what if one
    team has 12 picks and another team has 5 picks —
    how do you compare them?

    Etc, etc, and so forth. Good topic, but so
    many nuances that its impossible to stop
    asking questions.

    I think with any ‘big picture’ algebra, you also
    just have to look at each individual draftee and
    just talk about it.
    Seems like Snisher’s biggest question marks are:
    1 The Bobby Wagner non-pick.
    2 The Pead Pick
    3 The Tavon trade-up
    4 Brockers?
    5 The No-QB until the 6th Round decision

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    Fascinating personnel decisions
    by both teams.

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    in reply to: Miklasz: Rams still too short of talent #19454
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    Quinn is elite, not ‘very good.’

    Tre Mason is good, not ‘average.
    Corey Harkey is good and inspirational, not ‘average’
    TJ McDonald is good, not average.
    Ogletree is ‘good and sometimes outstanding’, not below average.
    Mark Barron is ‘good-in-this-scheme’, not ‘below average’
    Eugene Sims is a ‘good back-up’, not ‘below average’

    Greg Robinson was a ‘confused rookie’; he was not ‘poor.’

    Saffold, and Bradford are ‘good-when-they-are-healthy’

    Tavon is ‘sui generis’

    Just my opinion

    The team has talent to be a ten-win team. If Bradford
    had stayed healthy, and the Oline had stayed healthy,
    they could have been pushing nine or even ten wins.

    Its not an elite team by any means — its not in Seattle/New England territory,
    but the nine or ten win level? Sure.

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    in reply to: Chris Long ranks creepiest sports mascots #19450
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    Fighting Okra ? Really?

    I never thought about this before,
    but i bet someday, Chris Long and Howie Long
    share the same panel on TV.

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    in reply to: Darnell Docket? #19439
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    I am not at all sure that WV’s reasoning is sound….

    We’ll see, won’t we?

    They will put together a monster OLine.
    They will throw everything at that problem.
    It just makes sense in so many ways.
    They need to protect Bradford, and they need
    to be able to run and use play-action. They
    need to withstand the defenses in the NFC West.
    They will spin their wheels another year,
    if they fail to fix that one unit.
    They must know that.

    I will weep,
    if they piddle around
    on other positions,
    and fail to build a
    topnotch OLine.

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    “Come away, O human child!
    To the waters and the wild
    With a faery, hand in hand,
    For the world’s more full of weeping than you can understand.”
    ― W.B. Yeats, The Collected Poems

    in reply to: Vincent Bonsignore, LA Sports columnist #19404
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    I love open-air stadiums btw. I will be thrilled if
    St.Louis builds one and then
    blows up the Jones-Dome.

    One thing, St. Louis will not blow up the Jones-Dome. The estimates are that the Dome will make more without the Rams than they currently make with the Rams. The Dome is a very valuable property for conventions, etc.

    Well thats what domes are for — conventions.
    Football should be played outdoors.
    On real grass.

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    in reply to: Vincent Bonsignore, LA Sports columnist #19402
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    Interesting numbers to think about when anyone from LA throws out the “St. Louis fans don’t support football!” insult.

    Los Angeles Rams
    Year Record Avg Att
    1984 (10-6) 54,455 (playoffs)
    1985 (11-5) 56,242 (playoffs)
    1986 (10-6) 59,285 (playoffs)
    1987 (6-9) 47,356
    1988 (10-6) 54,469 (playoffs)
    1989 (11-5) 58,846 (playoffs)
    1990 (5-11) 59,920
    1991 (3-13) 51,586
    1992 (6-10) 47,811
    1993 (5-11) 45,401
    1994 (4-12) 43,312
    10 Yr Avg 52,608

    St. Louis Rams
    Year Record Avg Att
    2004 (8-8) 66,035
    2005 (6-10) 65,585
    2006 (8-8) 65,326
    2007 (3-13) 64,294
    2008 (2-14) 59,980
    2009 (1-15) 55,237
    2010 (7-9) 52,922
    2011 (2-14) 56,394
    2012 (7-8-1) 56,703
    2013 (7-9) 56,957
    2014 (6-10) 57,018
    10 Yr Avg 59,677

    That’s 7.36 wins per year for LA vs. 5.18 wins per year for STL. Attendance per win: 114,309 in LA, 184,266 in STL.

    Not bad for a region with 2.8 million people!

    Note: This is a post from the HERD board by courtland1.

    Well, my own personal complaint about St.Louis is not about attendance numbers exactly.
    Its about this —
    I have NEVER seen another stadium that was filled
    with so many Opponent-Fans as often as has been the case in St.Louis.
    I mean there have been times were its been
    downright embarrassing.

    I love open-air stadiums btw. I will be thrilled if
    St.Louis builds one and then
    blows up the Jones-Dome.
    The ‘elements’ should play a part
    in Football. This isn’t badminton.

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    in reply to: Petraeus to plead guilty: gets two years probation #19395
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    I couldn’t care less about that kind of thing myself.

    Cause to me, the CIA “itself” is a murderous, secret, lowdown,
    evil, monstrous organization-from-hell. So, i start
    from ‘that’ premise…so, to me, every chief of the CIA
    has been a criminal. I could go on…

    Have a nice day 🙂

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    in large measure, upon organized lovelessness.”
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    in reply to: Competition committee & possible rules changes #19394
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    I am waiting for the day
    fans in the stands can challenge
    a coach’s playcall.

    Ya know. And if more than, say
    three-fourths of the fans push a button
    challenging the playcall, the coach
    would automatically be jettisoned from
    the stadium. Literally. Maybe some sort
    of catapult could be used.

    I think the fans would like that.
    Pete Carroll would still be in orbit.

    …at any rate, I’m all for expanding replay
    to penalties. It would correct a few big
    mistakes every year. That would be worth the
    annoyance I would think.

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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nittany ram wrote:</div>
    Is it that they didn’t believe her or was it that there wasn’t enough corroborating evidence?

    BTW, according to the FBI rape accusations are only fraudulent 2 – 8 % of the time.

    If you read all of the facts on that case, it’s obvious that local law enforcement just dropped the ball on the investigation. If they checked into all possible evidence immediately after the rape was reported, perhaps the authorities would have had a case. But, they didn’t do that, and therefore no case could be built. It sure looked like local police just didn’t want to dig into what might have happened that night. There was video at the bar that was never reviewed. There was video on Winston’s buddy that was erased without police asking for it. The case was allowed to go cold.

    So if you are a celebrity-espn-pundit, and your job
    is to hype sports stars, and get ratings,
    how to you handle that?
    I mean what do you say about Mr Winston every time his
    draft status comes up?

    You cant say ‘he’s a rapist,’
    but you cant say’s “he’s not guilty”
    either. There’s this big, dark “Unknown”
    that shadows him. And the pundits
    have no idea what to say about it — so,
    they “shove it aside.”

    Its just a weird dynamic, to me. A
    surreal mix of Corporate-capitalism,
    Celebrity-culture, Sports-Biz, Criminal-Justice-System,
    Advertising-dollars, a football player, and a young woman.

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    in reply to: "Famous Jameis" #19375
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    Is it that they didn’t believe her or was it that there wasn’t enough corroborating evidence?

    BTW, according to the FBI rape accusations are only fraudulent 2 – 8 % of the time.

    I dunno.

    But the media folks are visibly uncomfortable with the subject. I mean
    they literally do not know ‘how’ to talk about it. If you watch the vid
    on that link i posted — the one that starts with Skip Bayless — there is a moment
    where one of the celebrity=pundits sez “shoving aside the rape allegation,
    Winston’s character-issue incidents have been small” (paraphrasing).

    I mean, he literally “shoved it aside” cause he didnt know
    how to talk about it.

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2377065-chris-bonner-the-best-qb-draft-prospect-you-havent-heard-about-yet
    Chris Bonner: The Best QB Draft Prospect You Haven’t Heard About Yet
    By Mike Tanier , NFL National Lead Writer
    Feb 26, 2015

    While Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota ran nationally televised sprints and drills at the NFL Scouting Combine on Saturday morning, Chris Bonner trudged through the heavy Denver snow to a performance facility for a morning of running, throwing, studying and perhaps a little boxing.

    While Winston and Mariota played pitch-and-catch with uncovered receivers in front of hundreds of NFL decision-makers and a national audience, Bonner lifted weights hundreds of miles away. Bonner did not have time to watch the combine quarterbacks work out on live television. He didn’t really have the opportunity, either. “Where I’m staying, I don’t have the NFL Network,” he said.

    Bonner watched some of the highlights on a computer at Six Zero Strength and Fitness, then saw some evening replays of the combine at a nearby restaurant after a full day of his own draft preparation. “I thought Jameis looked really good,” Bonner said. “He had good timing. Same with Marcus.”

    “Just like everyone thought, they were the best,” Bonner added. “And then the rest of the guys are good quarterbacks too, but they aren’t getting as much hype as those two.”

    Bonner should have been among the “rest of the guys.” He led his team to a national championship in 2014. Granted, it was a Division II national championship, but Bonner dominated his competition level. He stands nearly 6’7″ and moves pretty well for such a tall fellow. He has a live arm. He played in an offense with NFL roots that required him to call plays in the huddle and make adjustments at the line.

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    Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota at the combine.

    Maybe Bonner does not belong in a class with Winston or Mariota, but he surely belongs in a class with Jerry Lovelocke, Cody Fajardo and other late-round prospects who shared the field with the big names last Saturday.

    Bonner probably ranks a cut above the more obscure quarterbacks who worked out last week.

    “I think he throws the deep ball as well as anybody I have ever been around coaching,” said John Wristen, Bonner’s coach at Colorado State-Pueblo, who was an assistant at UCLA, Colorado and Northwestern for nearly two decades. “And that includes all the opponents we played against.”

    Wristen may be biased toward the quarterback who brought him a title, but the scouts and experts mumbling around the combine campfires offered similar opinions while wondering why he was not invited.

    “I was really hoping to attend,” Bonner said. “But I just use it as motivation to get better.”

    In some ways, it may be better to be the best quarterback not at the combine than just another guy in shorts. On his journey to the NFL, Bonner has always taken the road less traveled.

    Sticking With It

    Bonner was already 6’6″ when his high school career ended. He had been the starting quarterback at Clairemont High School in San Diego since his freshman year. Division I programs, mid-majors or high FCS schools at least should have come calling.

    But Bonner was rail skinny—about 190 pounds in his estimation—and Clairemont was a gridiron weakling. Bonner played for three different coaches, so the program was always in transition. Teammates quit or transferred to nearby powerhouses like crosstown rival James Madison, which won a California championship while Bonner’s Clairemont Chieftains went 1-9.

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    “Going into high school, I wasn’t really thinking about a football career,” Bonner said. “Maybe if I went back, I could have gone to a bigger, better high school for football.”

    Bonner chose to be true to his school. “I’m really glad that I stuck with it, stuck with my friends, and ended up where I am now,” he said.

    No Division I school made Bonner an offer. Rather than pursue some D-III nibbles, he enrolled at nearby Grossmont Junior College. After splitting time as a freshman, he threw for 2,470 yards and 19 touchdowns in a 10-game schedule in his second season. Grossmont was loaded with future D-I talent at the skill positions—Bonner’s teammates would go on to Utah, BYU and Colorado State—but the Griffins had a habit of losing by 66-42 final scores.

    Bonner sent out tape to programs all over the country in an effort to move to the next level. Meanwhile, CSU-Pueblo coach John Wristen had just lost Ross Dausin, the quarterback who led the ThunderWolves to a handful of Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference titles and went on to stints in NFL training camps. “I was desperately looking for a quarterback,” Wristen said.

    Bonner’s video arrived in Pueblo the day after Christmas. Wristen shared it with offensive coordinator Daren Wilkinson. “We said, ‘This guy’s pretty damn good,'” Wristen said. “‘Why is he still available?'”

    Bonner made the trip from sunny San Diego to the high plains of Pueblo in the dead of winter. “I was walking to school in the snow in my Vans, slipping all over the place,” Bonner recalled. “I wasn’t ready that first month. I didn’t have a lot of cold gear.”

    The jump from junior college to Division II also required an adjustment. “In JUCO, it’s really hard to build chemistry,” he said. “You don’t have student housing. You’re not seeing these guys all the time. I realized I had to be a lot more of a leader and a lot more social: get to know my players and coaches. It was a whole new ballgame.”

    Wristen had just hired Wilkinson, now the head coach at Texas A&M-Kingsville, and Wilkinson imported a system he learned from Colorado State coach Steve Fairchild, formerly an offensive coordinator for the Rams and Bills in the NFL. Bonner suddenly had to call plays and make decisions in an offense much closer to a pro system than most RMAC Conference teams run, one that was far more advanced than what he encountered at Grossmont.

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    “In JUCO, we’re just sent out there with a play, and we just run it,” Bonner said. “At this level, I had to make checks frequently, get guys in the right spots and all that.”

    Bonner led the ThunderWolves to an 11-1 record and a Division II playoff run in 2013, all the while getting used to life in the RMAC: icy, windy game conditions; 13-hour bus rides to outposts like Silver City, New Mexico. Last season, CSU-Pueblo lost four receivers to injuries. Freshmen were forced into the starting lineup, which caused major problems for Wristen and Wilkinson, whose system mixed no-huddle concepts with complicated shifts and adjustments.

    Wristen scrapped the no-huddle so Bonner could call plays and answer questions for the newcomers before they reached the line of scrimmage. “Chris had to get everybody lined up, make sure everybody was coordinated, change our protection, change our plays,” Wristen said. “He’s great in that aspect of the game.”

    Bonner made the switch back to a conventional system quickly, leading the ThunderWolves to the national title. Fans met the team at the Pueblo airport. There were parades and pep rallies. “It was a cool experience.”

    After the glow faded, there was no combine invitation. Bonner participated in the Medal of Honor Bowl and was named a team captain for that All-Star Game, which draws heavily from small programs. He spoke to about a dozen NFL teams during the bowl practice week in Charleston, South Carolina. Then he was off to Denver for the next leg of his strange, roundabout NFL journey.

    Breaking the Scoreboard

    Bonner towers over everyone else on the screen when you watch his game film. He looks like an uncle taking snaps with the Pop Warner squad. Load up this all-22 game film of Bonner taking on Chadron State and watch the very first play, and you can see the size/athleticism differential:

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    Bonner takes an I-formation center snap, drops seven steps and delivers a 59-yard strike up the sideline to Kieren Duncan for a touchdown.

    You can also tell from the first play that you are watching CSU-Pueblo vs. Chadron State, not Notre Dame vs. Michigan. There are plenty of empty seats near midfield and beach blankets sprawled on a grassy hill near the end zone.

    At one point in the Sam Houston State game film, the cameraman zooms to the scoreboard to display the down and distance, but there is no down and distance, just a repairman on a high ladder trying to fix the blank scoreboard. There are no prairie dogs popping out of the grass at midfield, but if you saw one, it would not shock you.

    CSU-Pueblo is beyond the hinterlands, far down the rungs that start with the power conferences and descend to mid-majors, then the high and low FCS schools and finally to a level where a conference schedule includes opponents like Colorado School of Mines and Black Hills State.

    Sam Houston State, a warm-up school for a major program, was a challenge game for the ThunderWolves. For the record, Bonner’s ThunderWolves met that challenge with a 47-21 win, not that you could tell from the broken scoreboard.

    It takes some mental adjustments to project Bonner from the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference to the NFL. But the scuttlebutt at the combine revealed that Bonner is on the NFL’s radar.

    He has pro size, of course, but there are other attributes: good velocity, an ability to throw while rolling left or right, the anticipation to make throws before his receivers make their cuts. Deep-divers among media scouts, like Football Outsiders’ Matt Waldman, have poured through Bonner’s film and seen a lot that they like.

    No one is claiming to have unearthed a fully formed Ben Roethlisberger toiling away in Southern Colorado. Waldman concludes that “Bonner has some of the tools to develop into a much better player than his current stock suggests, which makes him worth getting to know as a late-round project.” Others suggested at the combine that Bonner is worth a selection in the middle of Day 3.

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    Even the folks in Bonner’s camp are realistic. “I think if he doesn’t get drafted by the fifth or sixth round, I’m going to be very, very surprised,” said quarterback trainer Warren McCarty, who is preparing Bonner for his pro day.

    “He has to understand that those throwing windows aren’t going to be quite as wide-open,” said Wristen about the leap to the NFL.

    Based purely on his size, arm and upside, Bonner belonged at the combine. His absence was a mystery to many. “That is mind-boggling to me,” McCarty said. “We’re still all mystified by that. But he’s just used it as motivation.”

    Not every drafted player attends the combine, and not every combine attendee gets drafted. Super Bowl hero Malcolm Butler did not attend the combine. Neither did Victor Cruz, Doug Baldwin, Osi Umenyiora, Julian Edelman, Wes Welker, Sebastian Vollmer and many other players around the NFL. Sometimes, there are obvious reasons for the omissions: Some guys bloom late, others (like Antonio Gates, who did not attend the combine) switched over from different sports late in their college careers.

    Other combine “snubs” represent a poker match among NFL personnel experts. You can’t hide a player you want to draft from Florida State by keeping him off the combine invitation list, but Colorado State-Pueblo? Bonner’s health and character records are spotless, so teams may not feel the need for formal physicals and interviews. The sheer number of Patriots who did not attend the combine indicates that some gamesmanship is at play when filling out the bottom of the invitation list.

    Some teams that wish to steal Bonner late in the draft hope that other teams may have overlooked him. Dropping him off the back of the combine list made him as much of a secret as any prospect can be in the age of Twitter and easily downloadable game film.

    Puncher’s Chance

    Bonner spends most days lifting, throwing, working on combine-style drills, practicing precise mechanics, watching film, drawing plays on a whiteboard and studying. He spent Tuesday boxing.

    “My philosophy is that the body mechanics of throwing a ball the right way are exactly the same as the lower body mechanics of a boxer in terms of weight transfer, being on the balls of your feet,” said McCarty, who is training Bonner at Six-Zero performance center in Denver.

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    Bonner is adding some bulk to his frame while mastering fundamentals before San Diego State’s Pro Day.

    Bonner is scheduled to throw at San Diego State’s Pro Day. He also plans to perform at Colorado’s Pro Day and CSU-Pueblo’s much smaller event. McCarty wants Bonner quicker in all elements of his game when he performs for NFL scouts. The performance coach times Bonner’s drops and throws, consistently lowering his “quick three” drop (think of the setup for a quick slant in a West Coast offense) to below 1.2 seconds.

    After grueling drills and boxing sessions, McCarty gives Bonner pop quizzes. Can you make the pre-snap adjustments based on the situation and defensive alignment on the whiteboard? Can you list all 32 current NFL coaches?

    Bonner’s experience in the under-center game puts him ahead of many college quarterbacks, including some big names, in many of the fundamentals. “I see all these quarterbacks, spread guys in particular, who are so flat footed,” McCarty said. “They stay flat-footed, they lock their front knee, and they lose all that power. Everything is about their arm.”

    “In the fighting ring, if you are flat-footed, your ass is going to sleep.” On an NFL field with tighter windows and faster defenders, McCarty adds, an arm-only throw can become a pick-six.

    Bonner performs hour-long footwork drills in which he never actually throws the ball: only drops, slides, steps and cocks. He has endured 11,000 (by McCarty’s count) calf-raises in the last few weeks. He’s growing more muscular, but more importantly, his footwork mechanics are becoming innate.

    “We’ve conditioned that part of the body so he’s not stagnant in the pocket,” McCarty said. Bonner is doing what many draft hopefuls do at their performance facilities. It’s just that his results aren’t listed at NFL.com.

    Bonner’s story is part Rocky, part Joe Flacco. He’s a king-sized kid with a rifle arm from a high school with a rudimentary football program, like Flacco (who earned a combine invitation from FCS school Delaware in 2008). Like Rocky, he’s trudging through the snow and boxing in a gym, far from the limelight, while flashier superstars grab all the attention.

    “I’m still a huge underdog,” said Bonner, who lists Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers as his favorite quarterbacks but acknowledges the Flacco comparisons. “Nothing is guaranteed. So I just need to be working harder than every quarterback out there if I want to get the shot.”

    Wristen believes there may be a silver lining to being left off the combine list. “When you go to the combine, they’re looking for warts,” he said. “When they come work him out, Chris will blow them away.”

    Bonner will only have a few chances. When the time comes, he may not prove that he belongs in the same category as Winston or Mariota, but he can prove that he belongs in an NFL training camp.

    Mike Tanier covers the NFL for Bleacher Report.

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    Usually, I think, “Damn. I liked that guy.”

    But there was a bit of sorrow with this one. Perhaps fondness developed in childhood is the most potent. I don’t know.

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    Evaluate Each Position

    By Bill Walsh

    PSX Draft Insider Special

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    Bill Walsh on each position and what he looks for.

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    “…If throwing a ball were the only aspect of playing quarterback, then this would be an easy position to evaluate. However, because of the dynamic role he plays on the team, a quarterback must have physical, mental, emotional and instinctive traits that go well beyond the mere ability to pass a football.
    Still, if he can’t pass, he obviously won’t be a good quarterback either. For now, let’s assume our quarterback candidate has shown an ability to throw the ball.
    Now, he must be courageous and intensely competitive. He will be the one on the field who is running the team. His teammates must believe in him or it may not matter how much physical ability he has. If he is courageous and intensely competitive, then other players will know and respect that. This will be a foundation for becoming a leader.

    Naturally, he will have to perform up to certain physical standards to maintain that respect and become a leader.

    Arm strength is somewhat misleading. Some players can throw 80 yards, but they aren’t good passers. Good passing has to do with accuracy, timing, and throwing a ball with touch so it is catchable. This all involves understanding a system, the receivers in the system, and having great anticipation. It is a plus to be able to throw a ball on a line for 35 yards, but not if it is off target or arrives in such a way that it is difficult to catch.

    Remember, the goal of passing a ball is to make sure it is caught … by your intended receiver.

    You look at how complete an inventory of throws a quarterback possesses — from screen passes to timed short passes to medium range passes and down the field throws. This complete range. For the scout, not having a complete inventory does not eliminate the quarterback. But you are looking to evaluate in all facets and distances and types of passes in throwing the ball.

    There have been quarterbacks of greatness, Hall of Fame quarterbacks, who didn’t have a complete inventory of passes. But you’re looking to see the potential of the quarterback in each area. You can see where the emphasis of the offense would be if he were with your team.

    A quick delivery , one that is not telegraphed to help the defense, gives the quarterback an advantage when he finds his intended target. That’s when it is essential to get the ball “up and gone” with no wasted motion. Some of this can be acquired by learning proper technique. But to a certain degree, a quick release is related to a quarterback’s reaction time between spotting his receiver and getting the ball “up and gone.”

    Touch is important, especially in a medium range passing game. One of Joe Montana’s most remarkable skills was putting the right touch on a pass so that it was easily catchable by a receiver, who often did not have to break stride.

    The ability to read defenses is not something that players have learned to a high degree coming out of college. Even if they have, the pro defenses are very different. But most systems require quarterbacks to look at primary and secondary receivers, usually based on the defense that confronts him. You can see if he locates that secondary receiver — or maybe even an emergency outlet receiver — with ease or with a sense of urgency.

    This should work like a natural progression, not a situation where it’s — “Oh, my gosh, now I must look over here … no, over there.” You can see which quarterbacks handle these situations with grace. These are the types who have a chance to perform with consistency in the NFL.

    Mobility and an ability to avoid a pass rush are crucial. Some quarterbacks use this mobility within the pocket just enough so they are able to move and pass when they “feel” a rush. But overall quickness and agility can make a remarkable difference. As an example, there were some very quick boxers in Sugar Ray Leonard’s era, but he was quicker than they were and because of that he became a great champ.

    Quarterbacks must be able to function while injured. The pro season is about twice as long and more punishing than a college season. They are vulnerable to getting hit hard every time they pass. They must be able to avoid being rattled, get up and show they are in control and can continue to lead the offense.

    The single trait that separates great quarterbacks from good quarterbacks is the ability to make the great, spontaneous decision, especially at a crucial time. The clock is running down and your team is five points behind. The play that was called has broken down and 22 players are moving in almost unpredictable directions all over the field.

    This is where the great quarterback uses his experience, vision, mobility and what we will call spontaneous genius. He makes something good happen. This, of course, is what we saw in Joe Montana when he pulled out those dramatic victories for Notre Dame.’

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